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    #12226764 - 03/18/10 09:30 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

are the only thing stopping me from sleeping in the woods by myself.
how are you folks not scared shitless of waking up to a large cat munching on your upper thigh??


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Re: cougars [Re: dummy]
    #12226849 - 03/18/10 09:45 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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A capable stalk-and-ambush predator, the cougar pursues a wide variety of prey. Primary food sources include ungulates  such as deer, elk, moose, and bighorn sheep, as well as domestic cattle, horses and sheep, particularly in the northern part of its range. It will also hunt species as small as insects and rodents. This cat prefers habitats with dense underbrush and rocky areas for stalking, but it can also live in open areas. The cougar is territorial and persists at low population densities. Individual territory sizes depend on terrain, vegetation, and abundance of prey. While it is a large predator, it is not always the dominant species in its range, as when it competes for prey with other predators such as the jaguar, grey wolf, American Black Bear, and the grizzly bear. It is a reclusive cat and usually avoids people. Attacks on humans remain rare, despite a recent increase in frequency.




I'd be more scared of bears and snakes.


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Re: cougars [Re: Az0th]
    #12227713 - 03/19/10 12:09 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

the cougar does not cause your fear. your thoughts about the cougar are the source of the fear. realize this and embrace it. only then will you be able to let go of the fear.

bears and snakes on the other hand are pretty damn scary.


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Re: cougars [Re: dummy] * 1
    #12227857 - 03/19/10 12:38 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

To be honest I have never really given it a second thought when it comes to wild animals.  I'm smart about my habits when in the wild and I have a pretty good idea of what to do if I should have an unforseen encounter with an animal.  Basically I just don't let an irrational fear stand between myself and a good time.  And if the unexpected happens then I'll deal with it.

Closest unwanted encounter I've had was waking up in the morning (sleeping on the ground with no tent), climbing out of my bag to take a piss, and finding a rattlesnake curled up in my chosen piss bush 20 feet from my sleeping bag.  I suppose he could've found his way to my bag during the night, but I never give it a second thought.  I still sleep on open ground in the desert on a regular basis.


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Re: cougars [Re: ToTheSummit]
    #12228538 - 03/19/10 03:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Cougar attacks are pretty rare, though I do know someone who was stalked for awhile once, and another time a group of friends were at a hotspring at night, were going to get out, turned around and there was a cat just a few feet away sitting and watching them. Unless you're a little kid or a pet, I don't see it being very likely that a cat will tempt fucking with a human.

Bears don't really worry me either. I've seen a lot of bears, and usually they're running in the opposite direction by the time I see them. Most black bears aren't very big either...I guess they just don't intimidate me. I bet I could hold my own against one with a trekking pole or good stick. In fact I hope to hunt one with a spear someday. Grizzlies are another story, but they're only found in a few select areas. And shit, Tim Treadwell lived with grizzlies for 13 years before one took a helping, so even then I imagine the odds are pretty low.

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Re: cougars [Re: Grok]
    #12229208 - 03/19/10 06:46 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah. Most wild animals are WAY more afraid of humans than you are of them. We are the ones with guns and bows and arrows and shit, and they know that.

If you see one hanging around , probably 99% of the time they are either just curious, or waiting until you turn around so they can snag your food.

I've run into quite a few black bears before while hiking and camping, most of the time they take one look and turn and bolt in the other direction.. that's when they don't see/hear/smell you coming from a mile away first. Unless you are camped and leave food out, well that's just asking for a visit from a bear or raccoon or some other hungry critter. But they are after your food, not you. So yeah, don't have a bunch of smelly food in your tent with you, and don't leave crap out.

Grizzlies are another story indeed. They are a bit more territorial and hostile than blackies.. but as Grok said.. they are few and far between, and even then... attacks on humans are very rare indeed. You pretty much have to intentionally fuck with one to get it to attack you.

Deadly poisonous snakes are easy to avoid most of the time. They will usually sense your footsteps and book it out of there. Remember you are like 500 times its size, they aren't trying to fuck around. And in America at least, we only have a handful of really venomous snakes. Rattlers can scare the shit out of you though if you just stumble upon that rattle 2 feet away from you. But again, they don't usually attack humans, unless humans are fucking with them. I'd venture a guess that the majority of people that get bit by rattlesnakes and such, are dumbass drunk college frat boys that are messing with it and get bit as they should.

My biggest enemy in the brush is bugs - mosquitoes, ticks, black flies and other such biting, relentless, really annoying fucking insects.


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Re: cougars [Re: dummy]
    #12230155 - 03/19/10 12:21 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yeah, good responses already... there's nothing to be scared of, i consider myself extremely lucky when i get to see a large predator. the vast majority of the time, they're not going to be coming after you. its exactly the contrary, they are going to do anything in their power to avoid you.

with mountain lions, the most dangerous thing you can do is stumble upon their kill... they can be very territorial in that case. so try to be aware if there's a carcass in the area. with bears, the most dangerous thing you can do is surprise one, or come between cubs and a mama. to avoid those situations, just be careful going around blind turns in the trail if you're hiking in bear country, and carry bear spray just in case.

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Re: cougars [Re: Hendostan]
    #12230663 - 03/19/10 01:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

lol some times its hard to sleep in the woods alone when theres a 35+ year old woman that wants to fuck you


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Re: cougars [Re: thedudenj]
    #12231001 - 03/19/10 03:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

:rofl2:

cougars on the prowl!

I think their natural habitat is dive bars though.


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Re: cougars [Re: Hendostan]
    #12235185 - 03/20/10 03:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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with bears, the most dangerous thing you can do is surprise one, or come between cubs and a mama. to avoid those situations, just be careful going around blind turns in the trail if you're hiking in bear country, and carry bear spray just in case.





I scared a cub hiking a couple hours up a mountain behind my house, and the momma came running down the mountain after me, and stalked me for what seemed like quite awhile (10mins+)..

Scary shit.

So maybe to expand on this thread - any info on how to deal with threatening animal encounters?

For black bears - i know to make lots of noise and act big. In the event of a mauling, fight back.

Grizzlies - act dead and hope it'll leave you alone. i think.

I wouldn't have a clue what to do around a couger or an aggressive moose ...


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Re: cougars [Re: PDU]
    #12237097 - 03/20/10 04:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: cougars [Re: Az0th]
    #12237109 - 03/20/10 04:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Best thing besides having a cup of tea with the bear and continiously asking for his/hers baby pictures is to bear-spray them.


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Re: cougars [Re: Hendostan]
    #12239003 - 03/20/10 11:00 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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for an aggressive moose... i don't know, i think you're fucked. climb a tree or get away somehow, i don't think playing dead will help and neither will fighting it. i know a lot of people out here in montana that are more afraid of moose than grizzlies... statistically, its justified.




When i was a kid i was in a mtn. bike race, and a kid got chased by a moose and he climbed a tree.


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Re: cougars [Re: PDU]
    #12239289 - 03/20/10 11:56 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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For black bears - i know to make lots of noise and act big. In the event of a mauling, fight back.


I've heard that this works against cougars, too.




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Re: cougars [Re: Poid]
    #12239713 - 03/21/10 01:26 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If you're hiking with someone, just remember: you don't need to be able to outrun the moose/bear/cougar, only the other person. Furthermore, you can significantly reduce their escape velocity by knee-capping them with the nearest adequate stick.


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Re: cougars [Re: Grok]
    #12239805 - 03/21/10 02:01 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

If it's a bear or a cougar, tell the other person who is with you to climb up the nearest tree. :uptosomething:


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    #12240110 - 03/21/10 04:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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for an aggressive moose... i don't know, i think you're fucked. climb a tree or get away somehow, i don't think playing dead will help and neither will fighting it. i know a lot of people out here in montana that are more afraid of moose than grizzlies... statistically, its justified.




When i was a kid i was in a mtn. bike race, and a kid got chased by a moose and he climbed a tree.




seriously? man there's no hope left for humanity.. our demise will be tree climbing mooses


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Re: cougars [Re: Az0th]
    #12240144 - 03/21/10 04:56 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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cougars on the prowl!

I think their natural habitat is dive bars though.



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    #12246134 - 03/22/10 01:59 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I live in bear and cougar country and wouldn't go hiking without my dogs. So far, they've treed every large cat and bear we've ran across.  I especially like having them on guard duty outside the tent while I sleep.
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    #12247481 - 03/22/10 09:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It really just depends on the individual cougar, I think. True, most will probably avoid humans. But...cougars take down MUCH bigger prey than ourselves. And if he/she's hungry enough, trying to take you down for dinner is certainly not out of the question.

Fight back though and you should escape with your life. Grizzlies on the other hand -- fight, don't fight, whatever. If he wants you he's going to take you.


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    #12247717 - 03/22/10 10:28 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

what i wonder is how a No-Dachi fully sharp would fair against a bear or cougar cause the things are made to take down horses and of course fully properly sharp that it could cut thru bamboo no problem


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Re: cougars [Re: zombi]
    #12249921 - 03/22/10 06:47 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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the cougar does not cause your fear. your thoughts about the cougar are the source of the fear. realize this and embrace it. only then will you be able to let go of the fear.

bears and snakes on the other hand are pretty damn scary.




Every year out west I hear of l ike 2 or 3 reports of cougars attacking and fucking up some people. cougars will hunt you down and follow you for a long ass time. Bear attacks are much much less common then cougar attacks. Bears are more affraid of humans then you are. Only time to really be worried about bears is if you startle them, come in between them and their kill, or if you run into their cubs. Be fucking sure momas near by and she will fuck your shit up.

But yea, cougars imo are much more to worry about then bears. Rattlesnakes, well again if you look out for them you shouldn't have much problems. But Where i come from we don't have snakes so i'm not really 2 knowledgeable about that


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Re: cougars [Re: Spaced_Cowboy]
    #12250039 - 03/22/10 07:03 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

K well i just finished reading the thread.

So some tips for avoiding/dealing with encounters with these animals.

Hell just a funny story first. Last summer I was in lake louise freshly coming home from a job interview, walking back to where I was staying at the time along the traintracks walking on 1 track so i was looking at my feet balancing. I was right in town on a bridge the train crossed over the road. I get to the other side of the tracks and look up and HOLY FUCk theres a big ass grizzly about 30feet from me, it stopped looked at me and then booked it the other way. Fucker was going atleast 30-40kms an hour in the other direction right intowards a bunch of staff accomidation houses. Fucking scared the fuck outa me.

Anyways, when hiking in the bush, be loud, your biggest risk is startling the bears. If they hear you comming they won't stick around to see you. In the case of an attack, well get up a tree as fast as possible first. If you can. Grizzlys can't climb trees, blackbears can but you could obviously boot it in the head. Bear spray is good as well, i've talked to a few people who have had to use it and they've all said it works. But still i'm going for the tree first.

If you come upon a bear and its close but doesnt really see you/isnt coming at you. DO NOT RUN, black bears will think your playing and will chase after you and then maul you and fuck you up. Slowly back away until your decently out of range, then run if you want. Cougars, well like I just said, they are stalkers. If you get attacked by a cougar more then likely its been following you for a long time now. Travelling in groups helps the most, cougars will target the straglers in the pack so if you suddenly drop behind thats when they will get you. If you are attacked fight back, if its approaching you, get loud and try and look big, cougars are pussys, they attack you from behind and try and trip your throat out. They are smart with their attacks, and rely on speed and suprise more so then brute force. Playing dead is something to do, as a last case resort when being attacked by a grizzly, but honestly if its a hungry grizzly, then its gunna eat you so ur fucked.Grizzlys are massive animals and like most are agreeing with so far here, its it gets you your not gunna be able to fight back.

one myth i've hear is that You can outrun a grizzly downhill. Fuck no they don't run as fast downhill but they will still catch you I fucking guarantee it.


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Re: cougars [Re: Spaced_Cowboy]
    #12250050 - 03/22/10 07:06 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

By the way, i've heard of grizzlys taking like 4 or 5 shots from high powerd rifles and still coming at you without even slowing down, those fuckers are INTENSE. They have like 4-6inch claws on them and a no neck head, basically its like getting run over by a 1000pound truck that then stops on top of yo u and proceds to tear you to shreds.


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Re: cougars [Re: Spaced_Cowboy]
    #12250586 - 03/22/10 08:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for the advice.

i feel like if a saw a large predatory animal in the woods, i would be uncomfortable from that point on since they know where you might be and you have no idea where the fuck they are.

i'd hate to have to mace an animal thats just livin it's life.

a grizzly could probably get you out of a tree if it wanted you.


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    #12250640 - 03/22/10 08:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Grizzlys can't climb trees





that's not exactly accurate, griz have definitely pulled hikers out of trees before. your best bet if attacked is bear spray.. plus, if you have your spray ready, you'll likely be standing your ground, in which case the bear will probably not go beyond a false charge. running, even for the nearest tree, will trigger a full on attack. they are beautiful animals from a distance...


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Re: cougars [Re: Hendostan]
    #12252390 - 03/23/10 01:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I wonder if bear mace works on cougars...:strokebeard:


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    #12252711 - 03/23/10 02:49 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

hah.. i'm sure it would deter them, but the problem is they are ambush hunters and will get you from the back before you have a chance to use the spray. i think you're best chance is a thumb in the eye socket.

i'm still worried about moose that climb trees, fuckin a.


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    #12252801 - 03/23/10 03:08 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

so fierce. fighting back seems a waste of time.


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    #12252806 - 03/23/10 03:11 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

goddamn that's a cool video. i've only seen 2 cougars in my life, its unbelievable how big they are.


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    #12253275 - 03/23/10 05:36 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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By the way, i've heard of grizzlys taking like 4 or 5 shots from high powerd rifles and still coming at you without even slowing down, those fuckers are INTENSE. They have like 4-6inch claws on them and a no neck head, basically its like getting run over by a 1000pound truck that then stops on top of yo u and proceds to tear you to shreds.




My step dad has a story like that actually - at a 100 yards, the bear took 8 or so shots from 2 different peoples high powered rifles, several of them to the face as it was charging. It died, literally sliding up to their feet.

My step dad is no bullshitter, so i believe it. Couldn't imagine the fear that would cause.


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    #12275822 - 03/26/10 12:34 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

With cougars they often attack from behind.  So if you stay facing one direction too long they can advance on you.  Stopping and looking behind you is a good thing to do.
People in tiger country wear masks on the back of their heads when out in the field or woods.  Since tigers won't attack it's prey from the front.

That and making noise.  Like I'll sing a tune or randomly blurt things out in the woods. Talk to myself or smack trees with my walking stick.  I just try to let them know my presence.

One night at a fire in southern oregon a cougar gave us a nice hello.  Must have been ten yards up the hill, all i could see was it's green eyes by the fire light, as it let out a blood curdling scream of a howl. we then ran for the cabin porch.


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    #12278714 - 03/26/10 08:20 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Yup.  I saw a cougar take down a moose a few years ago.  He jumped from the tree and caught the moose with his full weight on the moose's head, using his teeth.  It fractured the scull.

I think the stories of people getting repeatedly stalked and harassed by cougars as they try to get away is a territorial thing, and the cat isn't even trying to actually kill them.  When a cougar attacks for food, it's over quick and the prey never sees it coming.

If you want to avoid a cougar encounter in the woods, take a large dog or two to scare it away and/or alert you to the cat.  The dog will pick up the scent in most cases, wind permitting.  My dogs grew up in cougar country, and the old dog they learned from taught them to stop and sniff the air every few minutes.
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    #12291644 - 03/29/10 11:27 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

It is strange how a lot of these large predators consider humans as a threat... I guess our ancestors did a lot of ass kicking in their day! The only times an animal will attack a human TO EAT is

A. If it's in a territory where there is almost no human contact
B. The animal is very desperate for food and finds no other choice but to attack whatever it can find
C.and the very rare occurrence that the person was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and the animal picked them out as an easy target

I don't wanna turn this into environmental drama but humans are taking over more and more of these animals territories. Attacks are becoming more common because territories are overlapping. Like a previous poster said before... most human attacks are because we are intruding on their land, not the other way around.

With my experience with bears is to keep a batch of 'special' brownies on hand and place it about 100 yards from your camp... The bear will go for that first. So NOW when the bear comes to your camp,there is no threat. You can hang out with it...you can pet it, take pictures with it and even ride it!!! But don't be surprised when it comes and still eats the rest of your food:grin:


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    #12293078 - 03/29/10 03:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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lol some times its hard to sleep in the woods alone when theres a 35+ year old woman that wants to fuck you




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    #12347328 - 04/07/10 10:50 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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If you want to avoid a cougar encounter in the woods, take a large dog or two to scare it away and/or alert you to the cat.  The dog will pick up the scent in most cases, wind permitting.  My dogs grew up in cougar country, and the old dog they learned from taught them to stop and sniff the air every few minutes.
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    #12494783 - 05/02/10 07:24 PM (3 years, 17 days ago)

This thread prompted me to take my 6 inch deer knife with me the next time I go into the woods. We don't have any big cats here in NY but we do have coyotes and black bear in the area - I think I can take a few down in a fight (the coyotes that is).



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    #12497521 - 05/03/10 06:56 AM (3 years, 17 days ago)

I think a big can of mace would work wonders for anything but snakes, as the other animals have much more sensitives noses than we do. And look what it does to us. Wonder if they comein fire exstinguisher size? ^^


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    #12500118 - 05/03/10 06:34 PM (3 years, 16 days ago)

bear mace, comes in a huge can and it sprays like 30-40 feet. pretty potent stuff.
I wouldn't mind having it on me if a ferocious animal was after me. Though it might not do much to a tiger or something except piss it off.


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    #12509004 - 05/05/10 05:22 AM (3 years, 15 days ago)

last time i was at big bend hiking the window trail at dusk....


coming around a canyon turn there was a baby black bear on the other side of the canyon draw, a thicket in between him and our group that i knew the mother was most likely in.

startled us because we were all on 2cb. heh

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    #12511610 - 05/05/10 06:17 PM (3 years, 14 days ago)

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luckily there aren't too many tigers in california




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    #12515939 - 05/06/10 12:28 PM (3 years, 13 days ago)

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With my experience with bears is to keep a batch of 'special' brownies on hand and place it about 100 yards from your camp... The bear will go for that first. So NOW when the bear comes to your camp,there is no threat.




I'm not sure I'd want a bear with the muchies near me. :shocked:

Again guys, take a dog.  When a large dog and a human are together, it freaks out predators to the point they leave you alone.
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They make great boat alarms too :super:


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Cool dogs, but I like your black lab better.  He's smiling. :laugh:
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    #12519711 - 05/07/10 12:18 AM (3 years, 13 days ago)

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are the only thing stopping me from sleeping in the woods by myself.
how are you folks not scared shitless of waking up to a large cat munching on your upper thigh??




I remember seeing that show awhile back, The Alaskan Experiment that had 4 groups of people living in different shelters for a few months from late summer till mid winter.  One of the groups was living in essentially a giant tent with brown bears roaming around it, and meanwhile they've got like 100 lbs of salmon plus whatever food they managed to hunt stored in it.  Would have had me on edge till it was hibernation time.

Something like this:


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Again guys, take a dog.  When a large dog and a human are together, it freaks out predators to the point they leave you alone.
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i like to think this is the case, but i've heard stories of wolves getting pretty territorial when a dog is around, or the dog getting chased by a bear and bringing it right towards the owner. but i think generally, it creates more noises/smells and thus reduces your chance of getting fucked with.



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    #12526896 - 05/08/10 01:48 PM (3 years, 11 days ago)

I probably should have mentioned not to take a lap dog into the woods.  I was referring to real dogs like yours, or mine pictured above.  Even a mellow dog like a chocolate lab will tree a black bear.
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nobody ever believes me when i say this,
but i was bitten by a cougar when i was
really young. i was living with my grandpa
back then and he owned it- got him from
a guy in south carolina i believe. he
was beautiful- probably the reason i love
big cats so much to this day.
his name was elliot, after the
cougar in that movie "elliot".
i was down but his cage, which had holes big
enough for him to fit his head through.
i was close enough that he stuck
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    #12530811 - 05/09/10 11:01 AM (3 years, 10 days ago)

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Again guys, take a dog.  When a large dog and a human are together, it freaks out predators to the point they leave you alone.
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    #12531177 - 05/09/10 12:53 PM (3 years, 10 days ago)

Yea, she's rottie/black lab.  She has good protection instinct from the Rott, and great athleticism and climbing ability from the Lab.  She's reached the summit with me on every mountain I've climbed.  She goes up rock faces like a mountain goat.
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    #12531296 - 05/09/10 01:24 PM (3 years, 10 days ago)

Real good looking dog. My family's past four dogs have been rotty-huskies. Our current ones are Rotty-Huskier/Terrier. The rotty no doubt has that protective instinct. One of them has one blue eye from the husky and one brown eye from the rotty. :cool:


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So does mine.  Her black lab mother had some husky too, so she's a rot/husky/lab mix to be more accurate.  Here's a pic of her being silly last year as a six month old pup, but it shows the blue eye.
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Haha cool! Yea... a lot of people are freaked out about the two color eyes at first, but I love it.


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    #12564619 - 05/14/10 11:39 PM (3 years, 5 days ago)

Thought this was appropriate for this thread:



The attached pictures are of a guy who works for the Forest Service in Alaska. He was out deer hunting. A large Grizzly charged him from about 50 yards away. The guy unloaded a 7mm Mag Semi-auto into the bear and it dropped a few feet from him. The monster was still alive so he reloaded and capped it in the head. It was over one thousand six hundred pounds, 12'6" high at the shoulder, 14' to the top of his head. It's the largest Grizzly bear ever recorded in the world. Of course, the game department did not let him keep it. It will be mounted and put on display at the Anchorage airport (to remind tourists of the risks involved when in the wild).


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    #12564770 - 05/15/10 12:23 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

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Thought this was appropriate for this thread:




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    #12724891 - 06/11/10 09:06 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I might be getting my stories mixed up... but in Nam... didn't the soldiers wear their goggles backwards so they wouldn't get ambushed by large cats?

I'm not one for killing animals... but its always been my dream to fight a grizzly bear with a wooden spear!!! when I picture it in my head though, I always imagine the bear standing up, and just as it's pouncing on me I put my spear up and the bear lands right onto it!!! maybe because that's how it happens in every movie!!!


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Fear is a product of imagination. Control your mind to unlock your potential.


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but in Nam... didn't the soldiers wear their goggles backwards so they wouldn't get ambushed by large cats?





I think in certain jungles, people wear "faces" on the backs of their heads to avoid tigers... The cats think you are looking at them, and they instinctivly stay hidden.

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Amen.

I apply this principle to many aspects of my life, yet am unable to control it in others.


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Fear is a product of imagination. Control your mind to unlock your potential.




Amen.

I apply this principle to many aspects of my life, yet am unable to control it in others.



Thats how life works.  As we grow we learn to overcome our fears, or at least control them.  It makes us stronger every time we can conquer one.  And there may be some fears we will never overcome or that are even healthy to have, but how we deal with them defines who we are.

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It's funny how a 200 pound animal can remain completely hidden and sneak up on you!


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    #12761257 - 06/18/10 01:32 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Often, they're in the tree branches waiting for you(or a deer) to walk right by under them.  When a 200 pound animal lands on your head from ten feet high, teeth first, you go to the ground, dead.

That's why I won't hike without my dog in big cat country.  She's had enough encounters that she constantly sniffs the air, finding them before we get a big surprise.
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    #12781261 - 06/21/10 11:23 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

When I was in bear county, one of the first thoughts I had was a massive appreciation for the animal. Almost a spiritual experience at that. I had felt that I'd connected with the bears, accepted / respected them for what they were and that was the end of that.

I'd image that people that swim with sharks that kill or similar animals must do the same thing. How did that bear guy live with bears for 13 years successfully? $5 said he made a spiritual connection to the animal and respected them.

Also I'm pretty sure those animals are pretty receptive to you. If you are aggressive and seek to hunt them, they might return hunt you. I find in life if I am projecting a thought, such as fear of X, other people catch on to that fear pretty quick. From what I've experienced, animals aren't nearly as stupid as you make them out to be. In fact, I'm pretty sure open communication happens between the animals and yourself.

It is a bold step to take, to completely trust an animal and give it full respect; vs being terrified or fearful of it and letting your fear manifest into reality.


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Of course, the game department did not let him keep it. It will be mounted and put on display at the Anchorage airport (to remind tourists of the risks involved when in the wild).


That's bullshit, I would demand to keep it.


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It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.


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Re: cougars [Re: iluvfungi]
    #12781698 - 06/22/10 12:25 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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When I was in bear county, one of the first thoughts I had was a massive appreciation for the animal. Almost a spiritual experience at that. I had felt that I'd connected with the bears, accepted / respected them for what they were and that was the end of that.

I'd image that people that swim with sharks that kill or similar animals must do the same thing. How did that bear guy live with bears for 13 years successfully? $5 said he made a spiritual connection to the animal and respected them.

Also I'm pretty sure those animals are pretty receptive to you. If you are aggressive and seek to hunt them, they might return hunt you. I find in life if I am projecting a thought, such as fear of X, other people catch on to that fear pretty quick. From what I've experienced, animals aren't nearly as stupid as you make them out to be. In fact, I'm pretty sure open communication happens between the animals and yourself.

It is a bold step to take, to completely trust an animal and give it full respect; vs being terrified or fearful of it and letting your fear manifest into reality.




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Re: cougars [Re: Az0th]
    #12933203 - 07/22/10 12:53 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

I wish I could have gotten a picture but my wife threw it a way to soon.

My wife and her brother go horse back riding on a trail close to where they board. Well where they ride there is a cougar around. The horses give that away. Well one day they find a bottle of animal repellent. I don't remember if it was for canines or bigger forest critters. Anyways it is just laying on the trail with teeth marks bit throughout it. Creepy and funny at the same time. Wait is that ironic...?

Oh I feel safe camping with a dog, also a .45 acp pistol and 12 gauge shotgun. Aside from that and firing the .22 of during the day to plink around probably bothers hunted predators.

Always a good Idea though to sleep with a couple pots or pan in the tent. Banging those helps to scare of most things.


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Re: cougars [Re: iluvfungi]
    #12933593 - 07/22/10 02:48 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Yea man!


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