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Alright so my last bill was around $250 for gas which is our heating and water. Our thermostat is set at 48-49 degrees and it's still that fucking expensive?! What the hell!
My bedroom is about 54-58 degrees and I attribute that to me putting a towel under the door, and plastic on the window with a thick blanket taped over that (yes it's very dark). But I want the rest of the house to be a bit warmer, and I really don't want to pay more for gas.
I've put plastic over most the windows and I plan to try and seal the doors a little better, but is there anything else I can do?
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I hear shredded newspaper can insulate really well in attic spaces. Get a fuckload that people have put out for recycling and shred up a foot or two's worth.
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 Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: Wasteland]
#12035334 - 02/15/10 07:06 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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put foil tape around your windows. you can walk around with a candle and if you see the flame flicker, you have a leak.
You can also wrap your water heater in a blanket for more insulation. That will help a lot. Also, just turn it down. I keep are really really low and you our water is still plenty hot. You wouldnt believe how high some people have theirs.
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Go around to your power outlets and take the 1 screw usually in the middle and
and take the cover plate off. Sometimes it will blow your mind how much cold air is blowing thru the outer wall and coming thru them.
I went and spent a few bucks on that expanding foam in a can. One name
it goes by is Great Stuff. It expands pretty quick and just shoot a few good
squirts in till you get the hang of it. And wear doctor latex gloves when messing with it.
And try to use a can in one setting, it tends to stop up, if you just do one of two then go back later to reuse the can.
Its nasty on hands or carpets, or in small children,s hair. HaHa
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: Wasteland]
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Wasteland said:
I hear shredded newspaper can insulate really well in attic spaces. Get a fuckload that people have put out for recycling and shred up a foot or two's worth.
sounds like a pretty big fire risk.
I am a cheap ass and just wear my winter coat inside.
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: Rebirtha]
#12036683 - 02/15/10 10:57 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I hear shredded newspaper can insulate really well in attic spaces. Get a fuckload that people have put out for recycling and shred up a foot or two's worth.
sounds like a pretty big fire risk.
it is... fire retardant cellulose is cheap
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: rod]
#12037164 - 02/16/10 12:23 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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rod said:
Go around to your power outlets and take the 1 screw usually in the middle and
and take the cover plate off. Sometimes it will blow your mind how much cold air is blowing thru the outer wall and coming thru them.
I went and spent a few bucks on that expanding foam in a can. One name
it goes by is Great Stuff. It expands pretty quick and just shoot a few good
squirts in till you get the hang of it. And wear doctor latex gloves when messing with it.
And try to use a can in one setting, it tends to stop up, if you just do one of two then go back later to reuse the can.
Its nasty on hands or carpets, or in small children,s hair. HaHa
On this note, "great stuff" is a great insulator but it expands and hardens much more than most people think. I would definately advise against doing this as it can/will break your outlet and/or outlet box and at worst it can grab the wires and expanded (pull) th
em out from the outlet. It does work great for sealing up the house though around exterior penetrations. Also, yes the newspaper is a big fire hazard.
Best thing you can do is look into a tankless water heater. It isa bit of an investment but the government and most local utility companys will offer big rebates. And the savings will pay for itself within 2 years for sure.
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: CoolNameHere]
#12038260 - 02/16/10 05:45 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i believe increasing humidity to high levels will raise temps as it becomes an insulator but i maybe wrong
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: CoolNameHere]
#12038531 - 02/16/10 09:19 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The original Great Stuff did indeed expand a lot. It fucked up quite a few doors and windows. Like millions. They now make minimal and medium expanding foams in addition to the original.
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: Rebirtha]
#12047043 - 02/17/10 03:16 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rebirtha said:
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Wasteland said:
I hear shredded newspaper can insulate really well in attic spaces. Get a fuckload that people have put out for recycling and shred up a foot or two's worth.
sounds like a pretty big fire risk.
I am a cheap ass and just wear my winter coat inside.
Well his house would undoubtedly be warmer.
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: Wasteland]
#12050188 - 02/17/10 10:13 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wasteland said:
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Rebirtha said:
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Wasteland said:
I hear shredded newspaper can insulate really well in attic spaces. Get a fuckload that people have put out for recycling and shred up a foot or two's worth.
sounds like a pretty big fire risk.
I am a cheap ass and just wear my winter coat inside.
Well his house would undoubtedly be warmer.
Bring marshmallows.
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: luvdemshrooms]
#12050808 - 02/18/10 12:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'll just stuff my walls with marshmallows, or that marshmallow creme
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NICE! There is a nbew form of insulation that is based on mycelium. Gives new meaning to lick the walls.
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: CoolNameHere]
#12052645 - 02/18/10 11:04 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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NICE! There is a nbew form of insulation that is based on mycelium. Gives new meaning to lick the walls.
They have been working on that stuff for years. When can I actually use it?!
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Shredded newspaper around and inside window cracks, use knife for good stuffing. Do you have old wooden window-frames or the plastic ones? Its a bit harder with plastic, because it isn't the best heat conserver imho, and it is harder to stuff.
do you live in a stone house? Does it have insulance? If the walls are really cold, old russian tip is to hang a carpet on the wall.
Another thing you could do, is stuff all the cracks, seal them, and then put penoplast over the walls, smooth it with paste and paint over... If you are not conserned about the room loss, of course. And if everything is sealed, make sure to have an air conditioner or at least let some air in from time to tome haha.
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: Simms]
#12095857 - 02/25/10 04:19 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Switch to a digital thermostat if you haven't already.
I picked one up for around 25-30 bucks and it saves me around 25 percent on my heating bills super easy to install too.
There is always the plastic around the windows that film stuff works great all you need is a hair dryer.
I also like to keep a blanket hanging up in between my living room and my little room that goes to outside.
Some landlord will even pay for the thermostat mine did just keeo receipts
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I found a lot of heat was going into my attic. I put some foam insulation around the gaps in the little port that goes up there.
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: cowlitz]
#12100827 - 02/26/10 11:39 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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 newspaper? Buy insulation....
You should have all your windows poly'd with the proper shit, not saran wrap or whatever some of these cheap bastards are recommending.
If you aren't scared of a little work, you can rip off one piece of trim. It's not hard and you can do it in a way where you won't wreck it and can easily put it back on. I only say to do this is if you are unsure if their is insulation behind the trim, if their isn't dont' use newspaper, please use fibreglass insulation or spray foam.
***If you use sprayfoam, less is more, that shit will expand and if you spray too much and put the trim back on before its completely set it can still expand and fuck you windows up(you will have trouble opening them or might not be able to at all, same goes with doors)
Then take a caulking gun, and caulk the all around the trim of the window, top-bottom-sides.(all outer) Caulking is easy, although most people make it look like shit, get the right color or clear (if you have stained wood trim) and always make sure to cut the tip very small, just big enough to stick something in to puncture the foil cover.
Check your attic, if their is no insulation-buy some and put it up their. Yes fiber glass insulation, just layer them down one piece at a time. (remember heat rises)
Make sure their is no visible light coming thru the sides or bottom of your door, if their is then you need a better door sweep on the bottom and weather stripping on the sides.
Depending on how old your house is that should take care of it. If your in an older house with lath and plaster construction they insulation more likely than not has fallen down in the walls and only covers the first 4 feet. If your not afraid of a little drywall patch you can cut a small hole your wall about eye level and see if you notice and insulation.
Usually you don't have to be concerned with this unless your house was built before 1960. However their are many shotty contractors out their and codes were fairly ridiculous back then, if they followed any.
Yes running a humidifer will cut down heating cost.
Now if you do all this and your still having trouble you should check how often your furnace cuts in and for how long, of course we have a clean filter in their and may have to get a professional to come take a quick look at the furnance (about $100) and let you know if you need a new one.
If you have the money, and are planning on staying in this house for a while, you can always add rigid insulation (foam sheets) to the outside of your house. (they come in various sizes) I once installed 4 inch thick insulation and then siding over top off a customer's house who had terrible problems with heat in winter and keeping it cool during the summer.
We replaced the windows with triple pane glass and after we did the exterior insulation her place was sealed shut. Everything was caulked their was not one crack blowing air anywhere in her house. She verified that her heating cost's have gone done durastically and the furnace rarely ever cuts in (so rare that you wont notice it)
Those are extreme measures if you have a house that needs it, You will get your money back, but it will take years. Although you will always gain tremendous resale value for your home and will get your money back plus some that way.
If you do it yourself it's really not that expensive at all, but you do need to research and know exactly what your doing so you don't waste alot of money.
Hopefully you don't have to go that far and can solve your problems the easy way, good luck!
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I have a suggestion, specifically for the water heater....
If its in a closest-type room with a door, put a towel or better some insulution at the point where the bottom of the door meets the floor (where that space is). Should help keep heat inside that little closest.
And of course wrap the tank in insulation blanket (doesn't sound right with 2 "in"). Did you know that 30% of your power bill goes to heating water? Its True (if you have an electric heater of course.
Also, using incadecents bulbs may be inefficient light-wise, but they are good heat-producers, so using them in specific places may help (especially the high watt ones). Provides light and heat. CFL's provide some heat, but not as much as incands...
Another good one is if you have a tower-type PC, get a small inline fan, take off the side cover of your tower computer, and run the inline fan right on the CPU and video card (even the intergrated ones). The CPU produces a lot of heat, and the heat will spread around the room from the fast inline fan. I do this with my quare-core CPU when I'm on the shroomery, and it helps A LOT. Then again, I live an a small apartment. You might live in a house.
If you are really need for heat, your own body is a great source of heat (ie. The Matrix). Just exercise by working out/cadrio for like 1 hour, and your room will warm up just a little. Hire some young people, and increase that heat.
Minor things, but every bit counts right?
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#12150656 - 03/05/10 10:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had the same problem, so I just got a space heater...for 35 bucks, and turn the thermostat off!!!! Helps out a lot....
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: ChaostoOrder]
#12150668 - 03/05/10 10:11 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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holly crap you can heat outerspace with that thing?
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: makaveli8x8]
#12154279 - 03/06/10 04:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah me and E.T sit around it and shoot the ish...lol..!!!!
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: ChaostoOrder]
#12162835 - 03/08/10 04:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you have an electric hot water tank, you can put it on a timer. Instead of heating water 24hours, set the timer to turn on the water heater 3 - 4 hours or so before you usually wake up and to turn off at your waking time also. Water is hot in the morning for a shower. The water in the tank remains plenty warm enuff for the evening dishes etc as long as you have a well insulated tank.
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#12164352 - 03/08/10 02:34 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Goood idea 
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Oh and don't forget about putting 2 magnets on both sides of the dial reader, my uncle use to do it and slowed down the reader!!!!
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: ChaostoOrder]
#12166459 - 03/08/10 08:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh and don't forget about putting 2 magnets on both sides of the dial reader, my uncle use to do it and slowed down the reader!!!!
So you advise stealing? Way to go. That sure makes the site look good!
Hopefully your uncle was caught and prosecuted.
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 Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: luvdemshrooms]
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I'm going to have to agree with luvdemshrooms on that one, stealing is never OK, even if the electrical company is a monopoly and their preferred method of electrical production is coal-burning, which of course has adverse effects on the environment and air-quality. Not all is produced by burning coal, but I've read its about 50% in the U.S.
As for his Uncle and him being arrested for stealing electricity, hmmmm....no comment.
Besides, most new meters today are completely digital. The old ones used the spinning metal wheel, but the new ones today are more like mini-computers, so I don't think it would work anyway (if you ignore the "should I" part of it).
As for that timer trick, that was a good idea! Run the water heater only during certain times of the day. Seems pretty Logical to be. One question: how would you hook up a timer to an electrically water heater? Most (if not all) are hard-wired to the wall via 3 thick wires and not just a plug in a wall outlet....would you have to integrate a timer into the circuit breaker box or something? You got me on that one....
Good stuff thou
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#12167234 - 03/08/10 11:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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the flaw in that logic is that it takes 3hrs of continuous heating to get
the water back up to the desired temp, do that twice a day and you've
negated the purpose of the timer, with out the timer it'll only cycle on
a few times each our and only or a few minutes
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: Prisoner#1]
#12167343 - 03/08/10 11:50 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good point my friend, not to mention the cost and labor to install the timer....
Better off wrapping your water heater with a couple layers of some thick fiber glass.
But, at least he was thinking, seems like thermodynamics wins this round.
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#12172661 - 03/09/10 08:05 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I disagree only to the extent that I havent done enuff research as to the amount of power used to maintain all day vs the amount to bring it back to temp. it isnt right cold when the timer starts up the heater. The water is still luke warm. 3 hrs might be more than nessesary it was only a guess. I have a Black and decker power consumption dealy that I will use to test the theory both ways.
You could very well be right but I suspect you might be underestimating the tanks ability to maintain the temp while the timr is off. I think possibly even one hour on will return it to the temp the tank is set at.
I have a solar loop I use in the summer to suplement my hot water heater and I can turn the heater off all summer using solar alone...
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Re: Best ways to save on heating bills [Re: offgridsid]
#12174695 - 03/10/10 01:12 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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I disagree only to the extent that I havent done enuff research as to the amount of power used to maintain all day vs the amount to bring it back to temp. it isnt right cold when the timer starts up the heater. The water is still luke warm. 3 hrs might be more than nessesary it was only a guess. I have a Black and decker power consumption dealy that I will use to test the theory both ways.
You could very well be right but I suspect you might be underestimating the tanks ability to maintain the temp while the timr is off. I think possibly even one hour on will return it to the temp the tank is set at.
I have a solar loop I use in the summer to suplement my hot water heater and I can turn the heater off all summer using solar alone...
More experiments to do and results to graph.....
I like the cut of your jib kid!
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