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Quote: FunkMasterShroom said: i'll note, that cooked foods cannot be completely excluded, because there are many plants/fungi that must be heated, before they even are edible, or release the nutrients within them that make them worth eating.. (again- mushroom flesh for example, cooked is far easier to digest..)
Just to add from a raw foodists perspective: If I need to cook it to eat it, then I don't need to be eating it.
That's my personal approach with food and the way many raw foodists think.
I have never tried raw cannabis, but I would love to, not as a major food source though, because I feel like fruits will always be superior as an energy source for a raw vegan who is athletic, but more as a "building block" type of food, like most greens. I do have a gram of some headie bud that I put in a little jar of cold-pressed raw oil. It's been in the jar for over a year now, since I do not consume oils anymore. I've set it in the sun to 'cure' and one day down the road I might put it over a salad. I have no desire for this though, because I don't find oils very appealing.
Magic mushrooms I have a real appetite for. I will simply look at pics of grows on the Shroomery, and feel my mouth water, just like I would if I were looking at some tropical fruits, like sapodilla or mamey sapote, or a huge slice of watermelon. But this could be that my brain sends a message to my body that the magical mushroom is something that tastes good to the soul, based on prior experiences with it. I love that you can eat them raw.
One day I'd like the opportunity to consume some raw cannabis flowers and greens, but I wonder how it will taste to the palate, and how digestion would be.
Who knows, maybe I'll get to eat a marijuana salad some day.
You are entitled to your opinion, but most people wont take your post seriously unless you give some evidence that cigs, hamburgers and beer are healthier than raw cannabis, raw mushrooms and raw fruit+vegetables. I respect anyones way of life, as long as they are happy, and as long as that happiness doesnt come to the detriment of others. I don't want to preach not eating meat, but is your lifestyle hurting anyone else besides yourself? If you can honestly answer no, then I am happy that you are happy.
To MOTH:
I think ive seen your posts on 30 BaD before :0 . I plan to move to an 80/10/10 lifestyle very soon, slowly removing most acid forming nuts and seeds from my diet, and eating larger amounts of fruits, with veggies being the side dish.
I highly suggest that if raw cannabis interests you, or atleast trying the taste on a salad dish, test the pH of your urine. If your urine is alkaline, your taste buds will experience the greatest taste Earth can offer, but being in an acidic state, the buds will taste hashy, spicey, peppery and very unpleasant. I finished growing a DJ Short strain (original creator of Blueberry) called F13. It expresses fruit, floral, and various herbaceous aromas/flavors, but I have chosen one phenotype that expresses a nectar like taste, similar to the taste of Rose water and honey, with undertones of citrus and berry. I am still slightly acidic, so the taste is initially peppery, but it develops into the most delicious flower/berry taste ive experienced outside of eating fresh fruits on a psychedelic. It seems that cannabis has so much depth to its flavor when in an alkaline state, and I believe this results from the multitude of terpenoids that develop in the trichome head.
I really wish people didnt think of this stuff as fantasy make believe, but todays society puts more emphasis on synthetics, living-unsustainable, and fast foods. I cant talk to standard American dieters about raw foods, without getting a look or vibe that I am crazy, or malnourished. I cant even delve any deeper into raw cannabis, mushrooms, aromatherapy, meditation, yoga, or any type of pseudoscience. Anyways, im glad you find it fascinating, as there is very good reason for it to be fascinating. This knowledge can only be kept from the public for so long .
Quote: appleorange said: My lifestyle comes at the expense of many natural resources and livestock, but I'm worth it though.
If you dont mind me asking, what makes you think you are more important than a tree growing outside. From my perspective, that tree is providing me with shade, oxygen, fruit and friendly vibes.
I was indifferent when it came to eating animals before I went raw. When I transitioned to raw foods, my eyes were opened. I had a realization that it is not necessary to kill an animal for food, I can sustain and thrive from the Earth alone. I remain indifferent to other people eating animals, but now I realize how that meat gets to you, and what the animals are put through before death.
I really like this idea and where your going with it. I like you knowledge on the subject too. It all shows your dedicated and not just doing some shit. I will definitely follow this and see how it all goes down.
However there are some things I would like to add. One is that to my knowledge ingesting marijuana, seeds and all, you won't get "high" from the THC itself. THC is a substance that isn't water soluble. You simply won't be able to ingest it like you would the psychedelic substances in some mushrooms.
This doesn't mean something interesting won't happen though its hard to tell what effects you may feel. Or simply how nutritious marijuana may be for you.
Lastly I would like to saw that a raw diet is the way everything else does it. Plants don't cook. Animals don't cook their kill before they eat it. Humans only recently cooked food.
Evidence supports that a raw diet IS the best diet. Eskimos eat raw blubber from whales and don't gain weight from it. Cows are fed cooked grain when being fattened up. I do think though you should began eating raw organic meat. Start with a little and work up to a normal amount over a few weeks. Just because its no longer advised to eat raw meat doesn't mean you can't. My uncle can eat raw hamburger meat all day and never get sick.
I support you full heartedly, and encourage you to keep expanding your knowledge on this subject; sharing it here with us.
Thank you Goguss, Im very glad you find the thread interesting .
I, like nearly everyone, am still lost on the whole concept of absorbing the actual constituents in the trichome heads. I do know that anyone can benefit from eating raw cannabis (after transitioning their system to raw foods first, detox can be very difficult at first), but am really unsure of the chemical action of raw THC in the system. The only reference I can find on the net is Free Rob Cannabis' site (google raw cannabis). There are few people in the world that are raw foodists, and Im sure even fewer that are raw cannabis eaters. I like to think I am stepping where few men have stepped before .
This is my initial theory, but it could change over the next month:
I believe that as your body reaches closer to perfect health, your body returns to its natural alkaline state. If you eat cooked foods, you reside in an acidic state, this is where disease thrives. When you transition to raw foods, your body reaches a certain level of equilibrium, and you are pH neutral, or possibly slightly alkaline. The closer you are to an alkaline state, the more efficient your body is at digesting any living plant matter, the same goes for cannabis. So, the more raw cannabis you eat, the closer your body gets to being alkaline, or becomes more alkaline. This makes it easier for your body to absorb the plant matter, as well as, the trichomes that house the cannabinoids and terpenoids. The THC also becomes increasingly more efficient at passing the blood brain barrier, allowing the Delta 11 THC to bind to the CB1 [Cannabinoid 1] receptors in the brain, giving you a blissful, borderline ecstatic spiritual experience.
There are a few holes in the theory, but it is rather difficult to understand how the cannabinoids operate in the body, as so few people have done this, and there it literally no research on consuming raw cannabis flowers. One of my main motivations is simply looking at Free Rob Cannabis' pics on his website. His skin is so youthful from his food lifestyle, that he literally looks like he has baby face skin .
Maybe cannabis, like water and oxygen, is one of the most essential parts of being human, but our society has removed us so far from nature that we are blind in that aspect. Very many interesting philosophies behind raw cannabis, but there is also very interesting science that is hard to not find fascinating as well.
I'd love to post a quote I heard by Alan Watts, though It's a story he was telling about a friend of his.. He asked his friend why he doesnt eat meat, when Plants are just as alive as an animal, with consciouseness, and possibly with their own unqiue sentience- so what's the difference? and his friend replies "plants don't scream as loude."
And, again on this subject, in a survival situation, particularly in winter (though there may be plenty of raw edibles all around in the other seasons, yet you may not know a single one).. if you don't eat Animals, you die..
I mean, of course most anyone (i hope) raw foodist or not, will eat meat if it calls for their very own survival.. Or if they came across a carcass, would cook whatever meat they may be able to scavange (or would you still eat it raw then?) .. anyway.. idono exactly my point, maybe sort of a question.. our tree-top-ape-like ancestors (which i believe did still eat insects..) may have ate mostly fruits, but we are far removed from them.. We have been scrounging for whatever we possibly could digest (meat, fruit, vegi, insect, even bark, or mineral deposits, fish, and other people, and any other animal bi-products).. I just wonder, in a biological sense, why did we evolve to eat cooked foods, and have been doing it since we basically discovered fire.. if it barely has any nutrition to it, basically erradicates any life-force/chi/etc from it.. and kills off any enzymes or living bacteria that is good for us and helps us to digest the very food we are eating? If it tastes so much better, raw food.. why did we even begin to cook, or even just keep on cooking food, till that's what hase become a world-wide norm..?
(ps, Ultimately the best possible food you can eat, is food that you have grown/raised, seen what goes in, what comes out, and where it comes from.. most anything can have so many negative attributes, from hormones, pesticides, shipping conditions, the very energy being emitted by the people who produce/handle the food, the lack of nutrients already in our over-farmed soils/under nutritious feedstock, and the genetic alterations that most of the seeds grown in NA have been modified by... oy.. the list goes on..- most food is not made to sustain life in NA.. it is made to sustain appitite, overtaste stimulation, and euphoric sensations... It really is a diabolical Scheme)
-------------------- Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.
"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."
"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks
But that isnt exactly accurate. The taste of things can be very subjective, and accordingly, I have been in a high alkaline state, and I did indeed crave raw fruits(mostly) and vegetables.. Cooked food seemed rather bland to me.. But the full explosive juices from a ripe peach, or apple.. omg.. it was soo good.. yet.. in my current state.. a mcdouble tastes pretty damn good too.. >.>
-------------------- Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.
"Adapt.
Adjust.
Accommodate."
"Professional help is being thought." - Bill Hicks
Epic thread. You have obviously done a lot of homework on this subject and i will be following the results (perhaps experimenting myself).
on the body ph thing, it would make sense that at a more alkaline state things are going to be integrated into the body differently. cant wait to hear back about the 30 day cannabivore diet
Quote: FunkMasterShroom said: I just wonder, in a biological sense, why did we evolve to eat cooked foods, and have been doing it since we basically discovered fire.. if it barely has any nutrition to it, basically erradicates any life-force/chi/etc from it.. and kills off any enzymes or living bacteria that is good for us and helps us to digest the very food we are eating? If it tastes so much better, raw food.. why did we even begin to cook, or even just keep on cooking food, till that's what hase become a world-wide norm..?
I do love your point. We have evolved over a short period of time to more efficiently digest cooked foods. Our bodies have developed means to process the bad stuff, which is found in cooked meat, pasteruized dairy, cooked vegetables, etc. But, this span of evolution is also very small compared to the overall evolution of the homosapian. It is believed that fire was not utilized in an efficient manner until 7000BC, where we then had regular fires going all the time, rather than just the lightning flashes. So assuming we werent regularly cooking out food until about 9000 years ago, in the span of evolution 9000 years is but a blip on the overall graph. We have been eating raw foods way longer than we have cooked.
To go back to appleorange's comment. I cannot deny that cooked food taste very good, but there is also an underlying reason that cooked food taste good. I still beg to differ that cooked taste better than fresh fruits and vegetables, as that is not the case for me anymore. When you cook a food, given its meat, bread, cereal, candy, dairy etc, you convert a large portion of that food into a carbohydrate, developing various sugars along the way. One of these sugars is VERY well known in todays society, and most processed items have this in the food, it is sucrose, or white sugar. Sucrose is preavlent in nearly all processed foods, and sucrose is one of the most addictive substances on Earth. When you first go raw, you will literally be craving cooked foods as if it were a drug. When you first transition to raw, you smell cooked foods and it has an intoxicating scent, similar to marijuana. Have you ever wondered why cooked food has all of these enticing aromas, and fresh fruits and vegetables have practically no aroma? Your body experiences a limbic response from smelling the cooked food, the same way you have a limbic response when you smell fresh brewed coffee, or chocolate cake, or marijuana. Sine your body realizes it receives a temporary pleasure from that substance, whether its caffiene from coffee, or sucrose from chocolate cake, your mind will crave that item after smelling it. Whether you know it or not, you are addicted to the sucrose in cooked foods, and as a result, your body, mind and spirit suffer. Give a ton of white sugar to a kid, and watch them over the next 10 minutes. They will go on a sugar high, and then crash and feel completely miserable afterwords. They will have a loss of energy, a slow mind, emotional less stable then before they ate the sugar, and less connected to their spirit.
I really do believe the alkalinity of the blood has everything to do with the integration of the cannabinoids and terpenoids into the body. Simply being alkaline will result in better tasting buds (a complete reversal from spicey to sweet).
Quote: appleorange said: Cooked food tastes better. I think thats why we eat it.
Blah, not to me. Not after juice fasting and water fasting and then taste testing varieties of cooked food and raw foods. This was before I committed to 100% raw over 2 yrs ago and a big reason why I made the shift. What I found out was that cooked food was like tasteless slop, or cardboard, and digested horribly, and raw foods tasted vivid, flavorful and full of vitality and digested like a dream. My body was very clear about what it wanted.
Everyone s in a different place with food, but if cooked food tastes so good, why all the condiments and salt that go into it? Seems like all the condiments and salt just go into cooked food to cover up the fact that cooked food in itself doesn't have much flavor.
Not compared to raw foods, in my experience. I used salt for awhile to transition to raw but when I cut that out, and all other condiments, I finally began tasted the true flavors of food. It's a great feeling to be able to truly enjoy food as is and to be satisfied with it. Nothing like eating a piece of celery or leafy greens and feeling like you're getting punched in the face with saltiness. Tomatoes are so incredibly savory, cauliflower is spicy. Every banana even from the same bunch has its own unique signature flavor. The same with apples and mango's, every fruit. It's truly amazing to experience the flavor's pop in raw food after you clean your tastebuds.
I realize this way of eating isn't for everyone but I wanted to share my experience and perspective on tastes and food.
For the people who say cooked food is bland, there's about 6 billion people who are willing to disagree with you.
Did you all know that unripened fruit is more nutritious for you? Perhaps you should put down all those yellow ripe bananas and begin eating bland green ones.
Quote: appleorange said: For the people who say cooked food is bland, there's about 6 billion people who are willing to disagree with you.
Did you all know that unripened fruit is more nutritious for you? Perhaps you should put down all those yellow ripe bananas and begin eating bland green ones.
How many of you are going to start doing that?
Actually ripened bananas, or the spotted bananas are the easiest to digest, and have the most naturally occurring sugars. Unripe bananas are very bad for digestion, and can cause constipation issues if you do not let the fruit ripen.
The whole essence of ripening fruit is a universal law. If you smoke cannabis you are smoking a ripened fruit. Try smoking an unripe cannabis fruit, you will get a headache, paranoia and anxiety.
Please post a reference to your belief that unripe bananas are better for you.
Quote: appleorange said: For the people who say cooked food is bland, there's about 6 billion people who are willing to disagree with you.
Did you all know that unripened fruit is more nutritious for you? Perhaps you should put down all those yellow ripe bananas and begin eating bland green ones.
How many of you are going to start doing that?
Cooked food on its own has no flavor, that's why people need to use condiments and salt to flavor it.
Of course if you enjoy it, then that's fine, but it's not for me. I can only speak in the context of myself, of course.
Unripened fruit can cause a lot of issues with my body, that's why I make sure my fruit is properly ripe, plus it tastes better too. I eat my bananas spotty and sugary. Yummm!
Cooked tomatoes have way more flavour than raw ones, imo Or a least a much sweeter nicer flavour, same goes for carrots
Heated tomatoes also contain more lycopene than raw ones & heated carrots contain more beta carotene (as long as the heat isn't too high), brocoli's easier to eat after being lightly steamed aswell.
I'd say they are the three foods i much prefer cooked over raw, everything else i eat, (apart from fish & rice) i eat raw... which is only a few veg like courgettes, bell peppers, bean sprouts & various fruits
"New studies have again confirmed that watermelon rind is a great source of Vitamin C, Vitamin B6, Vitamin A, Magnesium, and Potassium. The great thing about all of these nutrients, is that they can be consumed in as little as a fifty calorie serving of fresh rind. As we mentioned in other areas of our website, you can up the level of vitamins and minerals in your watermelon by simply selecting the yellow flesh variety. The golden rule can be taken quite literally in this case, as you should aim to purchase the most golden or yellow watermelon you can find. The more yellow, the more nutritious. It is however important not to confuse a yellow watermelon with a rotten or unripe fruit. If you have any questions about the variety at your local supermarket, then be sure to ask a clerk before purchasing it."
Potassium is needed for root development, helps regulate water and other nutrients, mobilizes sugars, helps in starch accumulation, and works with enzymes in photosynthesis. Potassium is not needed once ripening begins; and iron loss has been reported with ripening as well.
An unripe papaya has more potassium than a ripe papaya for example.
Different strokes for different folks, I have always enjoyed the taste of raw foods over cooked ones.
I also believe there are hundreds of nutrients that scientists have not yet discovered as valuable to the human body that is present in our foods. For every nutrient that is easier assimilated by cooking, how many nutrients are damaged by the heat of cooking?
I like my food fresh because it makes the most sense for me personally in consuming it. The fresher the food, the fresher I feel.
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