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DeadPhan said:
i truly think, think, not certain, but yea....that they are so advance....physical travel is no longer necesary.  its possible right?  only encounters ive ever had with extra terrestrials, was in my mind.  most noteably nitrous if thats suprisingly enough.  and otherwise, just about any psychedelic.  delusions, hallucinations u say?  so, what about coming too after a serious trip on nitrous and looking at my friend and us both describing the exact same experience. 
yea, i believe in e.t.'s.  but i doubt they are wasting the time and energy traveling physically.  they only visit the most receptive of minds.  imho.
i wonder if they maybe have even evolved to the point of not necesitating physical form.  maybe they just transcended the body?  just something i think about.

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gab1159 said:
Back in the days, I've done multiple research on astral projection aka leaving your physical body. Yes, it exists. Did I ever projected? No. But it exists...certainly.

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I have astral projected before many many  times and I don't even believe it's real

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gab1159 said:
Back in the days, I've done multiple research on astral projection aka leaving your physical body. Yes, it exists. Did I ever projected? No. But it exists...certainly.

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I have astral projected before many many  times and I don't even believe it's real

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Envix said:
I think it's just the mind going into a dream state consciously i.e. "WILD" lucid dreaming method. it's indistinguishable from astral projection and the only difference is perception. basically you can consciously adjust the quality of your "dream" and heighten your senses and even gain new ones but that doesn't make it an "out of body experience" separate from the lucid dream.

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Envix said:
astral projection is a dream without hallucinations, basically. when you're dreaming you're basically astral projected already, but you're hallucinating.

if you've ever done deliriants, going into "Astral Projection" from a dream is like snapping out of a deliriant-induced dream-daze. all your surroundings "drop" and you find yourself out of your body, in the "space", from which you can astral project from.

now whether this is legitimate or not is up for question, but the same thing could be said that you're just "becoming conscious". i.e. "realizing" what mind state you're in and thus being able to manipulate it thus.

I've had both experiences.

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Astral projection (or astral travel) is an esoteric interpretation of any form of out-of-body experience (OOBE) that assumes the existence of an "astral body" separate from the physical body and capable of travelling outside it. Astral projection or travel denotes the astral body leaving the physical body to travel in the astral plane.

The idea of astral travel is rooted in common worldwide religious accounts of the afterlife in which the consciousness' or soul's journey or "ascent" is described in such terms as "an...out-of body experience, wherein the spiritual traveller leaves the physical body and travels in his/her subtle body (or dreambody or astral body) into ‘higher’ realms." It is therefore associated with near death experiences and is also frequently reported as spontaneously experienced in association with sleep and dreams, illness, surgical operations, drug experiences, sleep paralysis and forms of meditation.
and enters the astral realm.

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Envix said:
astral projection is a dream without hallucinations, basically..

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Envix said:
astral projection is a dream without hallucinations, basically. when you're dreaming you're basically astral projected already, but you're hallucinating.

if you've ever done deliriants, going into "Astral Projection" from a dream is like snapping out of a deliriant-induced dream-daze. all your surroundings "drop" and you find yourself out of your body, in the "space", from which you can astral project from.

now whether this is legitimate or not is up for question, but the same thing could be said that you're just "becoming conscious". i.e. "realizing" what mind state you're in and thus being able to manipulate it thus.

I've had both experiences.

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Envix said:
astral projection is a dream without hallucinations, basically. when you're dreaming you're basically astral projected already, but you're hallucinating.

if you've ever done deliriants, going into "Astral Projection" from a dream is like snapping out of a deliriant-induced dream-daze. all your surroundings "drop" and you find yourself out of your body, in the "space", from which you can astral project from.

now whether this is legitimate or not is up for question, but the same thing could be said that you're just "becoming conscious". i.e. "realizing" what mind state you're in and thus being able to manipulate it thus.

I've had both experiences.

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Interesting way of seeing it. I'd be interested in experimenting it someday. However, some people recall very specific pieces of information...meaning they see things while astral projecting. what they see are very accurate. They can go back to the place they were and realize what they saw was pinpoint accurate.

Now 2 hypothesis come to light; either it is a real out of body experience aka astral projection, or it has something to do with premonitory dreams.

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Envix said:
astral projection is a dream without hallucinations, basically. when you're dreaming you're basically astral projected already, but you're hallucinating.

if you've ever done deliriants, going into "Astral Projection" from a dream is like snapping out of a deliriant-induced dream-daze. all your surroundings "drop" and you find yourself out of your body, in the "space", from which you can astral project from.

now whether this is legitimate or not is up for question, but the same thing could be said that you're just "becoming conscious". i.e. "realizing" what mind state you're in and thus being able to manipulate it thus.

I've had both experiences.

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Interesting way of seeing it. I'd be interested in experimenting it someday. However, some people recall very specific pieces of information...meaning they see things while astral projecting. what they see are very accurate. They can go back to the place they were and realize what they saw was pinpoint accurate.

Now 2 hypothesis come to light; either it is a real out of body experience aka astral projection, or it has something to do with premonitory dreams.

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For thos who take it seriously true astral travel is real. These
journeys have been called more real than this world by some. I
believe this is where people go when they die if they choose. But
there are different or higher realms of consciousness one could
travel too. Many also believe that one of these higher levels of consciousness may be part of the evolution of consciousness that
is possibly part of this great change yet to come. Possibly 2012
when we head into the new age. Interesting.

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Envix said:
astral projection is a dream without hallucinations, basically. when you're dreaming you're basically astral projected already, but you're hallucinating.

if you've ever done deliriants, going into "Astral Projection" from a dream is like snapping out of a deliriant-induced dream-daze. all your surroundings "drop" and you find yourself out of your body, in the "space", from which you can astral project from.

now whether this is legitimate or not is up for question, but the same thing could be said that you're just "becoming conscious". i.e. "realizing" what mind state you're in and thus being able to manipulate it thus.

I've had both experiences.

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Interesting way of seeing it. I'd be interested in experimenting it someday. However, some people recall very specific pieces of information...meaning they see things while astral projecting. what they see are very accurate. They can go back to the place they were and realize what they saw was pinpoint accurate.

Now 2 hypothesis come to light; either it is a real out of body experience aka astral projection, or it has something to do with premonitory dreams.

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For thos who take it seriously true astral travel is real. These
journeys have been called more real than this world by some. I
believe this is where people go when they die if they choose. But
there are different or higher realms of consciousness one could
travel too. Many also believe that one of these higher levels of consciousness may be part of the evolution of consciousness that
is possibly part of this great change yet to come. Possibly 2012
when we head into the new age. Interesting.

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Therefore, assuming an extraterrestrial life-form could stay in a high real...they'd be among us...right now. This simply is a theory.

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Interesting way of seeing it. I'd be interested in experimenting it someday. However, some people recall very specific pieces of information...meaning they see things while astral projecting. what they see are very accurate. They can go back to the place they were and realize what they saw was pinpoint accurate.

Now 2 hypothesis come to light; either it is a real out of body experience aka astral projection, or it has something to do with premonitory dreams.

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For thos who take it seriously true astral travel is real. These
journeys have been called more real than this world by some. I
believe this is where people go when they die if they choose. But
there are different or higher realms of consciousness one could
travel too. Many also believe that one of these higher levels of consciousness may be part of the evolution of consciousness that
is possibly part of this great change yet to come. Possibly 2012
when we head into the new age. Interesting.

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Therefore, assuming an extraterrestrial life-form could stay in a high real...they'd be among us...right now. This simply is a theory.

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Some theories suggest that they could be interdimensional. From
a different place all together. If they had the technology it would
be possible. Something to do with wormholes and shit.

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There is no observational evidence for wormholes, and, although wormholes are valid solutions in general relativity, this is only true if exotic matter can be used to stabilize them. Even if the wormhole is stabilized, the slightest fluctuation in space would collapse it. If such exotic matter — that is, matter with negative mass — does not exist, all wormhole-containing solutions to Einstein’s field equations are vacuum solutions, which require an impossible vacuum, free of all matter and energy. There is no evidence or experimental suggestion that wormholes do exist, except as predictions of certain (exotic) physical models. Wormholes allowed by current physical theories might arise spontaneously, but would vanish nearly instantaneously, and would likely be undetectable.

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Exotic matter is a hypothetical concept of particle physics. It covers any material which violates one or more energy conditions or is not made of known baryonic particles. Such materials would possess qualities like negative mass or being repelled rather than attracted by gravity. It is used in certain speculative theories, such as on the construction of wormholes. The closest known real representative of exotic matter is a region of pseudo-negative pressure density produced by the Casimir effect.

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In quantum field theory, the Casimir effect and the Casimir-Polder force are physical forces arising from a quantized field. The typical example is of two uncharged metallic plates in a vacuum, placed a few micrometers apart, without any external electromagnetic field. In a classical description, the lack of an external field also means that there is no field between the plates, and no force would be measured between them.[1]  When this field is instead studied using quantum electrodynamics, it is seen that the plates do affect the virtual photons which constitute the field, and generate a net force[2]—either an attraction or a repulsion depending on the specific arrangement of the two plates. Although the Casimir effect can be expressed in terms of virtual particles interacting with the objects, it is best described and more easily calculated[citation needed] in terms of the zero-point energy of a quantized field in the intervening space between the objects. This force has been measured, and is a striking example of an effect purely due to second quantization.[3][4]  However, the treatment of boundary conditions in these calculations has led to some controversy. In fact "Casimir's original goal was to compute the van der Waals force between polarizable molecules" of the metallic plates. Thus it can be interpreted without any reference to the zero-point energy (vacuum energy) or virtual particles of quantum fields.[5]

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Envix said:
there's no way I'm reading through the last 5 or so posts

but it seems like you guys are just regurgitating all the basic information on astral projection. maybe you should stop reading about it and start actually doing it. your views on it will probably change once you've become experienced with astral projecting.

"any sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic"
-Arthur C. Clarke

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gab1159 said:
Back to the subject :P

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which one?