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 Why I love Ron paul 
#11903861 - 01/26/10 09:09 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Recent video of Ron Paul on the house floor
Ron paul on imperialism and our economy.
I would vote for him
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 Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: trekie]
#11903943 - 01/26/10 09:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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2012, good sir.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: trekie]
#11903948 - 01/26/10 09:47 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i posted this in the political forum and was crucified for it.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11904003 - 01/26/10 10:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good man. He's smart and with balls, too. There aren't too many politicians these days willing to risk their careers by saying unpopular things, even if they are true. I would have voted for him in '08 if he had been on the ballot.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11904115 - 01/26/10 10:58 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i posted this in the political forum and was crucified for it.
You weren't crucified. Just pointed out some shit.
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 Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: trekie]
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 ... Oh wait... That didn't work out so well . . .  (O' Paul)
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: cheezdog]
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cheezdog said:
There aren't too many politicians these days willing to risk their careers by saying unpopular things
the democratic party has been saying a lot of unpopular stuff at the risk
of their careers and now that obamas health insurance bill is dead he's
finally decided to focus on jobs... something that should have been his
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I like him. But I still fear no matter who the hell it is
in office would just be another puppet of sorts. Cant trust em.
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I'm a fan of Kucinich myself
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: trekie]
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trekie said:
Recent video of Ron Paul on the house floor
Ron paul on imperialism and our economy.
I would vote for him
Dude, that video just blew my mind man. He's actually honest and talks so much sense, definitely the smartest man in politics. Please don't ever hesitate in the future to tell us more about Ron Paul or more videos like this, we love hearing about him. 
Check this one out, one of my favorites.
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I agree on the jobs thing. Had we spent all that time on creating jobs rather than chatting about health care, we might be in a better spot now. Oh, and about job creation...lets bring back all of those overseas manufacturing jobs. We've been shipping jobs out of America for years now. It is finally starting to come back to haunt us.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: cheezdog]
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I don't get it, he just pointed out a bunch of stuff that was obvious. Let's just skip all the crap, revolt, and form the new country of America, Pink Pantheria. Where all your dreams come true but only in 2D.
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DeadHearts said:
I like him. But I still fear no matter who the hell it is
in office would just be another puppet of sorts. Cant trust em.
one of the things I appreciate about him is that he does read the bill
he's voting on and consistently votes no on everything especially if it
involves spending money on senseless crap
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Prisoner#1 said:
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DeadHearts said:
I like him. But I still fear no matter who the hell it is
in office would just be another puppet of sorts. Cant trust em.
one of the things I appreciate about him is that he does read the bill
he's voting on and consistently votes no on everything especially if it
involves spending money on senseless crap
That's probably the coolest thing I've ever heard you say here prisoner#1 
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He voted for the AUMF and thinks the CIA has staged a coup
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/21/ron-paul-the-cia-conducted-a-coup-in-the-us/
Also this "clarification"
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/25/ron-paul-to-glenn-beck-is-the-fed-secretly-loaning-money-to-the-cia-for-assassinations/
The man's a demagogical douche preying on the sophomore class of political observers who are still more interested in filling their pipes than growing up.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: cheezdog]
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I agree on the jobs thing. Had we spent all that time on creating jobs
hahaha... well, unless we're going for bigger government, there's no job
creation within the powers of the president... of course he created 32
czar positions so all his friends could hang out with him
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The man's a demagogical douche preying on the sophomore class of political observers who are still more interested in filling their pipes than growing up.
That was harsh, but disturbingly accurate
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He voted for the AUMF
so did more than 400 others
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But they aren't all screaming the nitwittery that he is, are they?
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: trekie]
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I find his proposed solutions too simplistic (it's a complicated world out there, folks) and his followers naive. That's not to say dems or reps have a patent on smarts or answers - they're pretty much fucksticks too.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: ToiletDuk]
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That's not to say dems or reps have a patent on smarts or answers - they're pretty much fucksticks too.
lol qft
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zappaisgod said:
He voted for the AUMF and thinks the CIA has staged a coup
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/21/ron-paul-the-cia-conducted-a-coup-in-the-us/
Also this "clarification"
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/25/ron-paul-to-glenn-beck-is-the-fed-secretly-loaning-money-to-the-cia-for-assassinations/
The man's a demagogical douche preying on the sophomore class of political observers who are still more interested in filling their pipes than growing up.
People who have a problem with Ron Paul never cease to amuse me... or maybe you're just too slow to understand his solutions... either or ... 
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He voted for the AUMF and thinks the CIA has staged a coup
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/21/ron-paul-the-cia-conducted-a-coup-in-the-us/
Also this "clarification"
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/25/ron-paul-to-glenn-beck-is-the-fed-secretly-loaning-money-to-the-cia-for-assassinations/
The man's a demagogical douche preying on the sophomore class of political observers who are still more interested in filling their pipes than growing up.
People who have a problem with Ron Paul never cease to amuse me... or maybe you're just too slow to understand his solutions... either or ...
Is that a Pub flame?
Did you read what I linked? The CIA has staged a coup? NAFTA highway nonsense. Endless protectionist, isolationist claptrap. And you have the audacity to call me slow? I don't think so.
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But they aren't all screaming the nitwittery that he is, are they?
some are, others are wandering off in a whole different direction
in all honesty, I'd rather see him in public office than they lawyers
we have now
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zappaisgod said:
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
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zappaisgod said:
He voted for the AUMF and thinks the CIA has staged a coup
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/21/ron-paul-the-cia-conducted-a-coup-in-the-us/
Also this "clarification"
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/01/25/ron-paul-to-glenn-beck-is-the-fed-secretly-loaning-money-to-the-cia-for-assassinations/
The man's a demagogical douche preying on the sophomore class of political observers who are still more interested in filling their pipes than growing up.
People who have a problem with Ron Paul never cease to amuse me... or maybe you're just too slow to understand his solutions... either or ...
Is that a Pub flame?
Did you read what I linked? The CIA has staged a coup? NAFTA highway nonsense. Endless protectionist, isolationist claptrap. And you have the audacity to call me slow? I don't think so.
That's my point... you simply don't understand, as you call it, "nitwittery."
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I do understand that protectionism and isolationism are stupid and harmful policies supported only by ignorant simpletons with a fear of competition and the demagogues who play them like fiddles.
With any luck this moron will be ousted in the primary. Tell me about that CIA coup.
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I do understand that protectionism and isolationism are stupid and harmful policies
I'd agree with this if there was in fact a time at which the US had been isolationist...
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Its the simplistic solutions and values that are missing nowadays in the American society...which i am sadly a part of...but Ron Paul returns to the fundamentals that are so simple but prove to be fool proof.
Spend less money = save more money
spend more money = more debt
Not too say this his views will change the economy or end wars....but that is the kind of thinking that is needed to begin to turn around this sinkhole America has put itself in...
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Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Ron Paul is an isolationist.
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No action in the political forum today?
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
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Dead. And I know why some people post political things here. They're afraid of me.
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....What? Theres a huge difference between being an isolationist which Ron Paul is not. and being a non-interventionist which he is...
“Isolationism isn't what I advocate,’’ Paul told Blitzer. “I advocate non-intervention, not getting involved in the internal affairs of other nations, and not pretending a country like Iraq is equivalent to Nazi Germany. Iraq had no army, no navy, had no weapons of mass destruction, had nothing to do with 9/11, so the comparison makes no sense.
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Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that Ron Paul is an isolationist.
so... it seems much better than the current policies of constant interference
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case and point haha ^^^^ 
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: ebola20]
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Just because Ron Paul says he isn't isolationist doesn't mean he isn't isolationist.
I think our level of foreign intervention has been too slow but better late than never. We should have done more in Ahanistan immediately after we helped oust the Soviets and Saddam should have been taken out immediately after the first Iraq war. Had either of those two swift actions been taken we wouldn't be there now and there would still be two ugly ass buildings dominating the NYC skyline.
I think it is rather foolish for anyone to think that we can just hide and keep to ourselves and nobody will fuck us. We are far too big for that. We have a giant target pinned to our backs and it has nothing to do with "meddling".
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zappa, i think you should run for office. let me be your chief economic council. 
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: meams]
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There is no fucking way I would ever subject myself to that much scrutiny, thank you very much. I have not always exhibited, shall we say, "perfect" behavior. Not that I have an arrest record. I'd just like to keep it that way.
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Re: Why I love Ron Paul [Re: meams]
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Idk that quote just doesn't make sense to me
"Dr. No" was the only Republican candidate that voted against the Iraqi War Resolution in 2002...
Not that I have a lot of faith in politicians but Ron Paul of all people is a person that stands by what he says otherwise he wouldn't have a reputation for being that way....
I'm not disagreeing with you in that we shouldn't have sent/or keep troops in Iraq or Afghanistan I think there will be troops there until the day i die just like there are in the Philippines...although you don't hear people complaining about that..
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I think our level of foreign intervention has been too slow but better late than never. We should have done more in Afghanistan immediately after we helped oust the Soviets and Saddam should have been taken out immediately after the first Iraq war. Had either of those two swift actions been taken we wouldn't be there now and there would still be two ugly ass buildings dominating the NYC skyline.
I think it is rather foolish for anyone to think that we can just hide and keep to ourselves and nobody will fuck us. We are far too big for that. We have a giant target pinned to our backs and it has nothing to do with "meddling".
Well if we never helped bin Leiden in the first place we wouldn't have AL quada thank you Reagen.
If president JFK didn't help install the bathist we might not have Saddam.
Also one of the reason Al quada destroyed the 2 towers is because of the 1st gulf war.
We did plenty for Afghanistan like giving them stinger missiles and helped build tora borra.
Afghanistan is a complex issue one that wont be solved anytime soon. for example.
When the boarders of this region ( Pakistani India Iran Iraq afghan stain ect) were drawn up they failed to take into account the cultures of the people already living there. (i.e the posthums people are in part Pakistani and Agustin boarder or the Kurds)(or giving kashmer to india )
What they were designed to do is keep con troll of the oil producing regions. So that people would be so easily divided on issues of religion culture ect. Also made it impossible for Iraq to export its own oil directly by creating the country Kuwait.
Lets take Iran we installed the Shaw then him with help of the CIA eliminated most of the moderate opposition . This did 2 things left only extermist when the government fell and gave them fodder.
I could go on but i feel like I'm rambling pretty much if we didn't get involved we wouldn't have nearly half the problems we do today.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: trekie]
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I don't get people who complain that politicians are just puppets, but have no respect for outliers like Ron Paul. 
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: Nymphaea]
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That isn't me. I can't stand Ron Paul purely on his merits. If it took him being a puppet (a characterization of politicians I do not subscribe to) to be sane I would say "bring on the marionettes".
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We have a giant target pinned to our backs and it has nothing to do with "meddling".
yes... it's because they hate our freedom, our way of life... they hate us because we wear bluejeans...
had we remained out of the soviet/afghan war we wouldnt have needed to
do more, we wouldnt have needed to do more in afghanistan, we didnt have
to aid putting saddam into power, interfering with the politics of iran
with the shah and the ayatollah... well gosh, if we'd have stayed out of
their business and just bought the gas maybe we wouldnt have had to go
over there at any point because they'd have no incentive to bomb their
best customers
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Zappa do you not like ron paul only because he's against nation building and foreign intervention or are there any other reasons?
just wonderin'
I watched this debate on CNBC where Paul and Kanjorski Debate the Federal Reserve recently. Ron Paul seemed right on the ball in this one and really schooled the guy on the federal reserve, the business cycle, and similar stuff.
part 1
part 2
one of the best Paul vids I've seen in a while...
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We have a giant target pinned to our backs and it has nothing to do with "meddling".
yes... it's because they hate our freedom, our way of life... they hate us because we wear bluejeans...
had we remained out of the soviet/afghan war we wouldnt have needed to
do more, we wouldnt have needed to do more in afghanistan, we didnt have
to aid putting saddam into power, interfering with the politics of iran
with the shah and the ayatollah... well gosh, if we'd have stayed out of
their business and just bought the gas maybe we wouldnt have had to go
over there at any point because they'd have no incentive to bomb their
best customers
Also probably one of the biggest cases of "meddling" was world war one tell me again why that was America's war?
mexico was going to attack america on germany's side? a ship was sink in the war zone with americans on board?
Bullocks. It was for Israel. jews hate islam and we sided with them, now we fight israel's war.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: Shins]
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Zappa do you not like ron paul only because he's against nation building and foreign intervention or are there any other reasons?
Nation building? His idea of non-intervention goes much further than just avoiding that. (I very much disagree with Pris on Afg v USSR, it was a brilliant defeat of a most dangerous enemy.) His protectionism, his lunatic child-like understanding of economics, that deranged stupidity about the CIA coup, and what I am quite convinced is a deep seated hatred of t3h Jew which is manifest not just in his stupid rants against the banks but his long time association with that excrable slug Lew Rockwell. I think he panders to the least sophisticated with his Merry Prankster demeanor and clown suit. How many times has he done something with that other idiot, Alex Jones? Anybody who gets within spitting distance of Alex Jones and doesn't spit is suspect in my book.
That's just a start off the top of my head. I'm sure I can do more research and reacquaint myself with other reasons why I think this guy is a buffoon.
The answer to your question is thus, "No, there are other reasons." Besides, I think he has friends at Area 51. If you know what I mean.
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We have a giant target pinned to our backs and it has nothing to do with "meddling".
yes... it's because they hate our freedom, our way of life... they hate us because we wear bluejeans...
had we remained out of the soviet/afghan war we wouldnt have needed to
do more, we wouldnt have needed to do more in afghanistan, we didnt have
to aid putting saddam into power, interfering with the politics of iran
with the shah and the ayatollah... well gosh, if we'd have stayed out of
their business and just bought the gas maybe we wouldnt have had to go
over there at any point because they'd have no incentive to bomb their
best customers
Also probably one of the biggest cases of "meddling" was world war one tell me again why that was America's war?
mexico was going to attack america on germany's side? a ship was sink in the war zone with americans on board?
Bullocks. It was for Israel. jews hate islam and we sided with them, now we fight israel's war.
if i wasnt studying i would rip you a new one huge
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: trekie]
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Lol try studying world war one and zionism.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: Shins]
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Jews don't hate Islam. Jews don't hate Christians or Buddhists or atheists or Hindus. They don't care. They just want to be left the fuck alone. For a change.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
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Me too.
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I'm pretty sure privatizing education (Ron Paul fans barely have a grip on logic as it is now), going back to the gold standard and becoming isolationist will solve all of the US's issues...
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i want to be left the fuck alone too
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preemptive strikes
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i want to be left the fuck alone too
Says the guy who always calls me out in his dumb threads!
You're the one with the superior understanding of the economy 
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Your whole posting in Money Matters, Dr Gonz, was to provoke Meams. There was no other reason to have titled it the way you did, and then when there was actual discussion, you failed to keep up with rational thought...
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protectionism is the only way to preserve American jobs, its fact. Its the main ingredient in the astronomical rise in both Japan and China's economic emergence. Globalism has changed the very nature of free market. A proportional increase in firm is needed inorder to see a proportional rise in global market shares; and that calls for protectionism.
America ha been whoring herself out far to long, playing patsy to semi isolationist. Time and time again we have been denied access to foreign markets while simultaneously granting unprecedented access to our markets. You can thank the Clintons and then later GW for the unequitable trade relations we are mired in. even Adam Smith advocated protection in some industries.
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Your whole posting in Money Matters, Dr Gonz, was to provoke Meams. There was no other reason to have titled it the way you did, and then when there was actual discussion, you failed to keep up with rational thought...
probably because there's nothing rational about the way the money system works in this county
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protectionism is the only way to preserve American jobs, its fact.
It is sad that you have so little respect for Americans. Also wrong.Quote:
Its the main ingredient in the astronomical rise in both Japan and China's economic emergence.
You may not have noticed but Japan has been fucked for well over a decade. The rise, such as it is, of China has nothing to do with protectionism.Quote:
Globalism has changed the very nature of free market.
No.Quote:
A proportional increase in firm is needed inorder to see a proportional rise in global market shares; and that calls for protectionism.
Protectionism leads to retaliation. Always has, always will. Do you think the US is the only actor?Quote:
America ha been whoring herself out far to long, playing patsy to semi isolationist.
American has gotten quite wealthy "whoring herself out." Whatever that means.Quote:
Time and time again we have been denied access to foreign markets while simultaneously granting unprecedented access to our markets.
It is mostly pretty equitable. There are some imbalances. Consider our sugar industry.Quote:
You can thank the Clintons and then later GW for the unequitable trade relations we are mired in.
Theer are some in both directions. They are all wrong. Why should we do more if they are wrong?Quote:
even Adam Smith advocated protection in some industries.
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Tell me, how has the unwilling and begrudging market in China not been a boon to their economic development. Their under appreciated currency: chinese protection. The huge tarriffs on American good: portection. Foreign government sponsored proxy investment and lobby groups, all these things amount to Chinese protection. It puts unnecessary price limits on goods imported to China; making their already impoverished people more than willing to go to work for socaily produced domestic goods at manipulated labor prices; furthering the attractiveness in foreign markets of Chinese goods produced at near slave wages, because protectionist measures have been implemented to create a burgeoning economy.
Japan to has more than their fair share of protectionist policies in place to protect the sanctity of their markets. More than one poltician has said that its a strange shake of the stick that Japan as our greatest ally in the East is our biggest economic threat. I'll proved actual quotes later.
The Japanese economy is fucked not because of industrial infrastructure problems, but due to the same bloated over investment in untenable assets that stemmed from much the same reasons as our current real estate busted bubble.
CIA fact book: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ja.html
n the years following World War II, government-industry cooperation, a strong work ethic, mastery of high technology, and a comparatively small defense allocation (1% of GDP) helped Japan develop a technologically advanced economy. Today, measured on a purchasing power parity basis, Japan is the third-largest economy in the world after the US and China; measured by official exchange rates, however, Japan is the second largest economy in the world behind the US. Two notable characteristics of the post-war economy were the close interlocking structures of manufacturers, suppliers, and distributors, known as keiretsu, and the guarantee of lifetime employment for a substantial portion of the urban labor force. Both features are now eroding under the dual pressures of global competition and domestic demographic change. Japan's industrial sector is heavily dependent on imported raw materials and fuels. A tiny agricultural sector is highly subsidized and protected, with crop yields among the highest in the world. Usually self sufficient in rice, Japan imports about 60% of its food on a caloric basis. Japan maintains one of the world's largest fishing fleets and accounts for nearly 15% of the global catch. For three decades, overall real economic growth had been spectacular - a 10% average in the 1960s, a 5% average in the 1970s, and a 4% average in the 1980s. Growth slowed markedly in the 1990s, averaging just 1.7%, largely because of the after effects of inefficient investment and an asset price bubble in the late 1980s that required a protracted period of time for firms to reduce excess debt, capital, and labor. In October 2007 Japan's longest post-war period of economic expansion ended after 69 months and Japan entered into recession in 2008, with 2009 marking a return to near 0% interest rates. The Japanese financial sector was not heavily exposed to sub-prime mortgages or their derivative instruments and weathered the initial effect of the global credit crunch, but a sharp downturn in business investment and global demand for Japan's exports in late 2008 pushed Japan further into a recession. The 10-year privatization of Japan Post, which has functioned not only as the national postal delivery system but also, through its banking and insurance facilities, as Japan's largest financial institution, began in October 2007, marking a major milestone in the process of structural reform; however, in December 2009, the Democratic Party of Japan-led government passed a law to freeze future sales of Japan Post shares, halting the privatization process begun by Liberal Democratic Party governments. Debate continues on the role of and effects of reform in restructuring the economy. Japan's huge government debt, projected to have reached 192.1% of GDP in 2009, and the aging of the population are two major long-run problems.
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The Japanese have a long history of pre-emptive protection beginning in the late eighties and early nineties. Even today the possess powerful lobbies to exert untold quantities of pressure on policy makers. It should also be noted the unfair habits of taxing the hell out of American agriculture, and the massive campaign intiative to provide the Japanese public with the opinion that American beef is inferior as well as American rice.
I am offended that you would suggest that I don't respect the American people. Of course I respect them, I loathe however the government and its inability to protect the sovereignty and sanctity of our markets.
The logistics revolution has indeed changed the natue of the market. it scope has exploded, one must now compete on the global level, not just in regional markets, and that implies massive economies of scale, which, implies monopolies on all goods that exert demand in foreign markets.
I could care less about the revitalization of local service monopoly law, such as plumbing for example. It seems hardly sane to suggest that a clogged toilet in Amsterdam is going to demand on a plumber in America. But the service industry by and large, excepting international legal, banking, and arbitration are not facing the same pressures the manufacturing sector is. If a company can't compete globally, then with the price fixing foreign competitor government-businesses are willing to engage in then, then they can not compete at home either. The average American idiot is going to go to Wal-mart and buy the Chinese good of non differientiated quality for cheaper if he/she can. This means jobs were protected in foreign job markets. My only beef with Wal-mart is they didn't learn to compete in the manufacturing sector with more efficiency. They would ahve made a hell of a Keiretsu, with their distribution channels; if they had have began to compete globally with American made good, they would have a been force to reckon with globally. As it stands now, they are just American whores.
it is time we turned those tables.
Conservatives have been unwilling to adapt to the demands of globalization in large part because of the pressures of re-election. Liberals, I don't know what the fuck ther are doing, well, Clinton was bought and paid for by the Chinese.
Government was created to protect the borders, not enslave its citizens. It has failed on both accounts. Its time to reduce it, re-allocate the resources at our disposal, and let people be free. Anti-trust laws are a prime example of outdated government intrusion.
I don't have time to edit, sorry.
I'll pull the Adam Smith quote later. Its at home and I don't want to misrepresent him.
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That is a very thoughtful and long post. But I disagree.
1. Japan is in a terrible state. They have clearly NOT benefited from protectionism. They are, in fact, quite fucked.
2. China is all about growth with no real absolute wealth per capita. It is pretty easy to show huge growth when all you had to start is $1 in your pocket. You know what I mean? And they need to be punished for their piracy and hackery. Severely. Likewise Russia.
3. If you had any respect for the American people you would believe that it is to their advantage to unleash them on the world as free as possible. Protectionism stunts that.
4. Protecting the borders from infiltrating humans has not one thing to do with trade and you know it.
The way to combat protectionism as practiced by other nations is not with protectionism of our own. They are hurting themselves by it and we should let them. It will hurt them far more than it will hurt us.
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Your whole posting in Money Matters, Dr Gonz, was to provoke Meams. There was no other reason to have titled it the way you did, and then when there was actual discussion, you failed to keep up with rational thought...
probably because there's nothing rational about the way the money system works in this county
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CIA fact book: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/ja.html
n the years following World War II, government-industry cooperation, a strong work ethic, mastery of high technology, and a comparatively small defense allocation (1% of GDP) helped Japan develop a technologically advanced economy.
Occupied Japan is how the goods were marked until 1951, there's a reason
japan didnt need to dump tons of cash into defense spending, because the
US was protecting japan with a chunk of it's defense spending... kind
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I believe the answer lies in between. Most of our GDP comes from the finical sector now. There are many who consider this not real GDP
(as does not produce a product and is just shifting of money we all see how well that has done over the years would explain more but I have a physiology exam tomorrow)
That being said our manufacturing capacity has dropped diametrical over the past 25 years. Most other country's make sure there heavy industry stays ( airplanes cars heavy equipment ect). As this heavy industry produces a great number of wealth to otherwise unskilled workers. ( I grew up in Detroit area and even worked for ford/Delphi myself). Had friends that went to mexico to train there replacements at a fraction of there pay. Since we dont tax imports from mexico and there are no unions down there. How is this good for america,at least mexico has socialized healthcare
Unregulated capitalism doesn't work. Every time there is a market crash or depression we cry for regulation. There has been at least 10 major stock market crashes within the last 100 years. Capitalism is based on a bubble system one that will always pop. (ie internet tech bubble , housing bubble, ect). Its not the ones at that the top that pay, in fact many of those that caused the mess we are in just get richer ( Rockefeller's- 1920-30's and The bankers of today)
Obama is a socialist he redistribute the wealth from the coffers of the poor to the super rich. Largest transfer of wealth in usa history might I add.
While Ron paul is in no way a prefect canadite or even the canadite that is closest to my personal politcal beleives. He has a far great chance of being elected then say Raplh nadder .
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Yeah, I know. We really fucked ourselves there. providing defense spending for a ntiaon we just dumped on. Then, its wot be wondered at why they want want to reduce to us to economic serfs.
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That is a very thoughtful and long post. But I disagree.
1. Japan is in a terrible state. They have clearly NOT benefited from protectionism. They are, in fact, quite fucked.
2. China is all about growth with no real absolute wealth per capita. It is pretty easy to show huge growth when all you had to start is $1 in your pocket. You know what I mean? And they need to be punished for their piracy and hackery. Severely. Likewise Russia.
3. If you had any respect for the American people you would believe that it is to their advantage to unleash them on the world as free as possible. Protectionism stunts that.
4. Protecting the borders from infiltrating humans has not one thing to do with trade and you know it.
The way to combat protectionism as practiced by other nations is not with protectionism of our own. They are hurting themselves by it and we should let them. It will hurt them far more than it will hurt us.
most of the growth in china is concentrated in the quasi free Hog Kong, with the lack of parity in wealth distributed over the poor rural farmiers and ruralites in general.
Please don't consider for an instant that I am advocating a Chinese style economy. What i am doing is trying to illuminate the the viability f protection. By creating an atmosphere at home here where prices are paired for non differentiated products in quaility, I believe the average American will buy domestically, because even a fool can see the value an increase in domestic demand is going to have on his/her likely hood at obtaining wealth creating work.
I understand the difference between China's foundation and ours. Oors is a vested interest due to real asset and estate ownership. All I am suggesting is the need to protect industry infrastructure, for two reason: military/defense considerations and consumer interests, money made is money to be can spent. Real income rises, so does the propensity to consume. It is a self perpetuating cycle.
And unleashing the American people on the world is hardly possible if we all are waiting tables at Denny's when foreign middle level management comes to town. Poverty is the single greatest threat to American freedom; unprotected markets, especially manufacturing markets leads to massive exodus from manufacturing jobs to lower paying service jobs, not accounting for trade type jobs: electricians, plumbers, etc. They are protected by skill aquisition levels intrinsic in the nature of the trades. Its a slef perpetuatiing cycle.
Got to hit and run again. Class.
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What's wrong with Japan right now? 89~90 yen to the dollar right now. That's better than it was a few years ago, in their favor.
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Who knows maybe I am a totally naive sucker for liking Ron Paul, but if I were American I would definitely vote for him. And I've never voted in my life!
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Japan does have rampant unemployment right now and has been in a recession for around 10 years. The American dollar is just fucking worthless there is even talk of some OPEC country's switching to the euro since it has been proven to be far more stable then the green back.
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most of the growth in china is concentrated in the quasi free Hog Kong, with the lack of parity in wealth distributed over the poor rural farmers and ruralites in general.
Please don't consider for an instant that I am advocating a Chinese style economy. What i am doing is trying to illuminate the the viability f protection. By creating an atmosphere at home here where prices are paired for non differentiated products in quaility, I believe the average American will buy domestically, because even a fool can see the value an increase in domestic demand is going to have on his/her likely hood at obtaining wealth creating work.
I understand the difference between China's foundation and ours. Oors is a vested interest due to real asset and estate ownership. All I am suggesting is the need to protect industry infrastructure, for two reason: military/defense considerations and consumer interests, money made is money to be can spent. Real income rises, so does the propensity to consume. It is a self perpetuating cycle.
And unleashing the American people on the world is hardly possible if we all are waiting tables at Denny's when foreign middle level management comes to town. Poverty is the single greatest threat to American freedom; unprotected markets, especially manufacturing markets leads to massive exodus from manufacturing jobs to lower paying service jobs, not accounting for trade type jobs: electricians, plumbers, etc. They are protected by skill aquisition levels intrinsic in the nature of the trades. Its a slef perpetuatiing cycle.
Got to hit and run again. Class.
sorry about the editorial quality.
While i agree with most of here statements I will make the following points.
Hong Kong- is not where most of the growth is located (maybe the most equally distributed wealth wise sure) China is building something like 3 coal power plants a day not to mention there HUGE manufacturing muscle. Also china's rural population has been dwindling pretty dramatically over the years. China also produces a huge number of college graduates ( last year was over 6 million.) While there are certainly inequality in the Chinese system to portray them as mainly poor farmers is just plan wrong.
That and many Americans aren't looking to where something is made they want it cheap and now. Oh and BTW for something to say it is made in America only 30 percent of the production has to be done here.
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well actually I was referring to personal wealth, the growth in personal wealth. So yeah, that is mostly in Hong Kong. As far as the growth you are talking about, infrastructure, especially state own infrastructure, sure.
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Since we dont tax imports from mexico and there are no unions down there. How is this good for america,at least mexico has socialized healthcare
NAFTA allowed for the exportation of jobs and importation of cheap,
duty free goods to be sold at a significant markup, where are the much
cheaper cars we should be driving, why was GM begging for a bailout the
same week they sent $5billion to south america in order to make sure
that their plants there didnt suffer the same fate... why isnt our #1
export to mexico the illegal aliens that hopped the border
america also has socialized medicine, if they worked on it to provide
appropriate coverage and to better qualify people instead of trying to
pass crap bills to regulate health insurance and actually paid the
doctards that accept it then the system might actually work for us
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Well I don't consider the emergency room socialized medicine but you do have a point. They have to accept you if you show up to an ER no matter your ability to pay. This makes my job a pain in the ass. (not saying that people don't deserve health-care but when an ER is clogged with non emergency patients makes it much harder to care for the ones who need it, Also many trauma centers in my area has closed due to people inability to pay/ cost of running )
Most of the people I give rides to don't pay and those that due have the means get the royal screw. (charge 400 bucks for people without insurance on average vs 1000+ for those with i.e. that bandage I just put on is gonna be billed at 125 bucks at least and you better hope you called your insurance company before I pick you up) .
I could go on but again I have exams to study for to get into paramedics school
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Your whole posting in Money Matters, Dr Gonz, was to provoke Meams. There was no other reason to have titled it the way you did, and then when there was actual discussion, you failed to keep up with rational thought...
probably because there's nothing rational about the way the money system works in this county
and I suppose that meams is the reason the economy is fucked...
I like Meams. He's a smart kid, and a good sport.
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Re: Why I love Ron Paul [Re: trekie]
#11912206 - 01/27/10 04:25 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I don't consider the emergency room socialized medicine but you do have a point.
the ER isnt socialized medicine, there's plenty of county, state and
federally funded hospitals not to mention the health department where
all those ER visits for the flu or a cold should go, if that were not
enough, there's also a lot of other charitable hospitals out there
funded through private donations
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11912216 - 01/27/10 04:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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your P.R. campaign is a day late and a fiat dollar short.
oh yeah!
you were asking for your veri chip the other day.
you prolly already got one. Who is your cell provider?
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I did!
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11912257 - 01/27/10 04:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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you did what, get the chip?
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In a prefect world that's how it should work pris. Here many of the publicly funded clinics have been shut down or grossly understaffed/underfunded.
(people waiting for 3 hours prior to opening just to get a chance to see a doctor) Also many people who need these clinics wont have access to them due to where they are located
( far south and west side mainly with a few scatted here and there.)
As far as funding goes for public/charitable hospital most of them in my area contently are losing money. In fact around 4 years ago one of them closed. It doesn't help matters that many of those without insurance don't know about these service but they are inadequate to begin with. The majority of people just use the ER
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11912284 - 01/27/10 04:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh shit!!!!!!!
so the police beat the hell out of me, and I had to go under while they, the doctors at a south Florida hospital saved my life. The fucking sheriff wouldn't let them perform the surgery unless he was in the o.r room. do I have the chip?
I have the fuckign chip, don't I?
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11912302 - 01/27/10 04:45 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I 'll be back. I am going to fucking radio shack.  
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LAWL
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11913381 - 01/27/10 07:46 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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lawl, for sure.
I got the fucking chip. Its official, they are following me. all the world is a stage. Better stick to the damned script.
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11913394 - 01/27/10 07:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said:
i posted this in the political forum and was crucified for it.
I trolled sansa about Docta Paul and he nignored me.
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lawl, for sure.
I got the fucking chip. Its official, they are following me. all the world is a stage. Better stick to the damned script.
It's pretty damn convenient if you ask me
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Re: Why I love Ron Paul [Re: trekie]
#11913443 - 01/27/10 07:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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trekie said:
In a prefect world that's how it should work pris. Here many of the publicly funded clinics have been shut down or grossly understaffed/underfunded.
we know the disease but how was it spread
as I stated, fix what is there, stop with legislation that will do no
more than cost more money while perpetuating the problem, obama's
'health care' bill isnt about health care, it's about health insurance
companies and the nanny state... we have socialized health insurance as
well but once again, the system is corrupted, fix it
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As far as funding goes for public/charitable hospital most of them in my area contently are losing money. The majority of people just use the ER
there's a strongly linked correlation here, waste the resources in the
ER over a cold and it becomes costly
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11913720 - 01/27/10 08:38 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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dr_gonz said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
and I suppose that meams is the reason the economy is fucked...
I like Meams. He's a smart kid, and a good sport.
I like you too gonz! As odd as it sounds - you help keep me sane here at the shroomery (especially in the MM forum).
It's because you argue against most of my beliefs, but if I present a valid point, you'll understand & accept it.
So to you
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: meams]
#11913798 - 01/27/10 08:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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one love, man
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: xyz789]
#11916107 - 01/28/10 05:00 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Get a room, you two . . .(wrap that rascal)
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Re: Why I love Ron paul [Re: vinsue]
#11916710 - 01/28/10 11:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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