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lavod said:
certain drugs may have a few strong correspondences as well as drastically varying effect in relation to dose or even different people.

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Adamist said:
Very interesting concept... I agree with some, but I re-arranged some too:

Sun - Alcohol (Ego, Social)
Earth  - Mushrooms (Grounding, Natural)
Moon  - Opium (Dreaming, Illusions)
Mercury - Marijuana (Communicative)
Venus - MDMA (Loving, Ecstatic)
Mars - Cocaine (Aggressive, Egotistical)
Saturn - Ayahuasca, Salvia (Humbling, Lessons)
Uranus - LSD, Smoked DMT (Revolutionary, Unpredictable)
Neptune - Ketamine, DXM (Illusions, Out of Body)
Pluto - Peyote (Death, Rebirth)

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MarkostheGnostic said:plants may all effect us at subtle levels when made into Spagyric elixirs, versus tinctures or decoctions.

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Mystic_Cannibal said:
If you are into making your own plant extracts then spagyric alchemy is very interesting indeed, using "planetary hours" and some simple ritual techniques you can charge your extracts with energies. On a psychological level you can imprint meaning to your extracts so that they have clearly defined meanings for clearly defined purposes according to what your intentions are for the psychedelic experience, for example if you want a spiritual extract, a recreational one, an artistic one or whatever else you can ritually attach that meaning to it so that you in a sense hypnotize yourself into having the experience you want. 
For basic practical information on plant alchemy I suggest this book, http://www.amazon.com/Path-Alchemy-Energetic-Pathways-Enlightenment/dp/0738709034/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b ; 
though its not very ritualistic it is a good book on the practical fundamentals with some esoteric theory behind it. There are some other books that seem very interesting as well, in my studies i have become convinced that many alchemists were in fact the shamans of renaissance europe, they just encoded the heavier psychedelics in layers of allegorical meaning to prevent themselves from getting burned alive. For info on using psychedelics ritually i suggest the study of "chaos magick" but that is a whole other thread.

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MarkostheGnostic said:plants may all effect us at subtle levels when made into Spagyric elixirs, versus tinctures or decoctions.

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Do you have any firsthand experience with this?

How feasible is it to make alchemical elixirs?

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I have spent part of the last several Saturdays (day of Saturn), during the requisite hours of Saturn, doing just this. Like the alchemical symbolism of 20001: A Space Odyssey http://www.rense.com/general7/alchemkubrick.htm (which was supposed to profile Saturn, but wasn't because Kubrick couldn't make a decent planet Saturn on film), I began with the starting planet. The alchemical "Salt,' is now being purified in solution with activated charcoal before being recrystallized and added to the 'Sulphur' and 'Mercury' previously prepared. This 'clyssus' will be 'aged' for about a month before I begin to take drops internally.If there doesn't prove to be a physical or a psychological effect, there is at least a symbolic, and hence spiritual effect of pursuing this operation. I have already obtained the herbs that I noted, not to mention some equipment (one piece malfunctioned today, and the distributer asked me to call back on Monday). After Spagyric experimentation, which is The Lesser Circulation, there is alchemy proper - The Greater Circulation - which works on minerals and metals. I am interested in the sort of preparations that Ayurvedic practitioners create. There is an Oil of Rose Quartz, which sounds absurd, but there is the literature, and then, there is the experiment. Ayurvedic practitioners utilize gemstones in their medicines, as well as metals that are rendered non-toxic. It seems that in many or even most cases, the only difference between a toxin and a tonic is dosage.
I see cocaine and coca leaves to be a good example of this. In Horsetail certain elemental transformations occur. This plant can be found to contain up to 4.5 ounces of metallic Gold per ton of plant matter.



The alchemical AZOTH shows the order of planetary works, beginning at the 6:00 position with saturn, and moving clockwise. AZOTH is a symbol that begins with the first letter of the english, Greek and Hebrew alphabet (A, Alpha, Aleph) and which ends with the last letters of the same alphabets (Z, Omega, Tav). The central figure is both God and the alchemist who intends to Realize God. Each foot and hand touches one of the Aristotelian elements. The symbol embodies a series of unifications of opposites; each planet relates to one of the 7 chakras, and the inner psychic and outer cosmic interpenetrate. The attainment of The Philosophers' Stone is equivalent to the Vajrayana Diamond Body, the Taoist Yoga City of Jade, the Christian "corner stone," the 'Black Rock' of Islam off of which Mohammed stepped into Heaven, and a number of other references. Sometimes, it may manifest 'externally,' but it is also a psychospiritual reality to be Realized. Meanwhile, the transformation of the Operator is the Great Work, the Opus.

If strong psychedelics can transform a human psyche, can one sensitize oneself to weaker and more subtle substances? If one can lesson identification with the physical sphere called Malkuth, and increase identification with the Astral Triangle of Hod-Yesod-Netzach which is the realm of the unconscious, of dreams, of magick, can one then respond to subtle-essence elixirs? Both realms are psychophysical, and the higher union is with the Ethical Triangle Geburah-Tiphereth-Chesed which is the psychospiritual identity which is the goal of the Opus. The laboratory work is, at the very least, a meditation which anticipates the inner process of rising on the planes, spheres, chakras.

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Mystic_Cannibal said:
If you are into making your own plant extracts then spagyric alchemy is very interesting indeed, using "planetary hours" and some simple ritual techniques you can charge your extracts with energies. On a psychological level you can imprint meaning to your extracts so that they have clearly defined meanings for clearly defined purposes according to what your intentions are for the psychedelic experience, for example if you want a spiritual extract, a recreational one, an artistic one or whatever else you can ritually attach that meaning to it so that you in a sense hypnotize yourself into having the experience you want. 
For basic practical information on plant alchemy I suggest this book, http://www.amazon.com/Path-Alchemy-Energetic-Pathways-Enlightenment/dp/0738709034/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_b ; 
though its not very ritualistic it is a good book on the practical fundamentals with some esoteric theory behind it. There are some other books that seem very interesting as well, in my studies i have become convinced that many alchemists were in fact the shamans of renaissance europe, they just encoded the heavier psychedelics in layers of allegorical meaning to prevent themselves from getting burned alive. For info on using psychedelics ritually i suggest the study of "chaos magick" but that is a whole other thread.

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MarkostheGnostic said:
I sometimes feel like I'm walking a razor's edge between insight and insanity

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Insanity is but a bridge between reason and desire. 

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MarkostheGnostic said:
Cool! If anything note-worthy occurs, I'll let you know. I WILL say that Saturn/Muladhara HAS constellated some survival fear in my life. Someone who stole my social security number tried to open 2 separate on-line bank accounts, then send test amounts to my real bank, with the intention of transferring money out! AND, a mole on my leg started to bleed. I had it sliced off today for biopsy. I've already had and survived deadly Melanoma! So, I closed the big book Cosmos, removed the Lead egg, finished the Elixir, and cannot wait to move on to Jupiter/Svadhisthana, which I will also be ready to enhance with a Damiana tincture which I just made, and which is aging. Perhaps I'll imbibe a shot of this stuff, which seemed to stimulate our Svadhisthana chakras the first time I made it, before beginning the Spagyric Elixir which is not necessarily aphrodisiac in effect. Anyway, I hope Jupiterian work constellates the health and well-being that Jupiter is about!

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Awesome man!

By the way I love horsetail, been using it for years!