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#11837039 - 01/15/10 08:18 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms
Witnesses say a man shot by police apparently was hallucinating after eating mushrooms.
By Diana Hefley, Herald Writer
BOTHELL — A Bothell man may have been high on hallucinogenic mushrooms when he was fatally shot by a Snohomish County sheriff's deputy outside an apartment building late last month.
The deputy fired multiple gunshots as Adam J. Smith, 26, reportedly walked toward an innocent bystander while clutching a screwdriver. He'd only minutes before stabbed another man in the face with the weapon, according to court papers.
Witnesses told investigators that Smith had become violent and erratic after he ate mushrooms. His girlfriend's father reported that Smith didn't seem to recognize anyone inside the apartment, Snohomish County sheriff's detective Patrick VanderWeyst wrote in a search warrant. His girlfriend told investigators Smith “went crazy,” the detective wrote.
Smith lived with his pregnant girlfriend and her father at the Archstone Apartments off Bothell- Everett Highway.
Investigators were told that Smith punched his girlfriend's father in the face several times and then stabbed him in the cheek with a screwdriver. Detectives noted blood and overturned and broken household items in the apartment.
The Dec. 31 shooting is under investigation by the Snohomish County Multiple Agency Response Team, a task force of homicide detectives. Smith was the sixth person killed by police gunfire in Snohomish County in 2009.
All but one of those shootings remains under investigation. The June 10 shooting outside the Chuckwagon Inn resulted in a manslaughter charge against Everett police officer Troy Meade.
The deputy involved in the Bothell shooting, James Kunard Jr., remains on paid administrative leave. He has been a deputy sheriff for about two years and has not been involved in use-of-force investigation in the past, sheriff's spokeswoman Rebecca Hover said.
Snohomish County prosecutors will decide if Kunard was legally justified in shooting Smith.
Sheriff's deputies were first summoned to the apartment for a disturbance in the parking lot. While they were driving to the scene dispatchers reported a man had been stabbed with a screwdriver.
Deputy Kunard arrived at 1:22 a.m. Four minutes later he radioed to dispatchers that he was with three men in the parking lot and one was failing to obey orders. About a minute later Kunard reported that shots had been fired and one person was down, VanderWeyst wrote in the search warrant.
Other deputies arrived and found Kunard pointing his gun at two men lying on the ground. One was the dying Smith; the other was a tenant of the apartment building. The stabbing victim was kneeling on the ground nearby.
The tenant told investigators that he was inside his apartment when he heard a disturbance. He went outside and spoke with another tenant, who said his daughter's boyfriend had just stabbed him in the face.
He said a man later identified as Smith walked by them and then up to an apartment. He had a screwdriver in his hand. He came back outside and still had the screwdriver in his hand.
The witness told investigators that the deputy arrived and began giving the man commands. Smith ignored the deputy and went inside a storage unit. He came back out and was holding the screwdriver in one hand and something else in the other.
The tenant said Smith walked toward him. He told investigators he felt threatened and attempted to get away but Smith closed on him.
The deputy continued yelling but Smith continued to ignore the commands.
The man said Smith got within three feet of him when the deputy, still yelling, began to shoot. The man heard two shots. Smith, still holding the screwdriver, remained on his feet, and looked at the deputy.
The witness told investigators Smith began advancing toward him again. He heard the deputy yell and then heard three more shots.
Paramedics tried to save Smith but he died inside an ambulance.
Investigators found a screwdriver outside, below the apartment Smith shared with his girlfriend. Police also found a broken cell phone on the ground outside a storage unit on the end of a garage.
Detectives also noted possible bullet holes or punctures holes in some of the garage doors near the apartment.
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100115/NEWS01/701159902&news01ad=1
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: motaman]
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: nooneman]
#11837747 - 01/15/10 10:12 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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shoot first, ask questions later .... 
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Jimmytoke]
#11837922 - 01/15/10 10:46 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Fuck this shit, I knew this guy, and the story is not at all true.
Fuck the government and fuck the police.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Vitamin 420]
#11838121 - 01/15/10 11:22 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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did you really know him?
If so what happen?
Let people hear the truth!!!
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Vitamin 420]
#11838132 - 01/15/10 11:23 PM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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heh. Oh what wonderful news? hehhmmmmmmmmmmmm.............................................wonder wat else smith did besides toadstools and killing?hmmmm....................
Edited by NuklearPsilo (01/15/10 11:24 PM)
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: NuklearPsilo]
#11838332 - 01/16/10 12:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Five gunshots sounds excessive against one man with a screwdriver. Did the officer not have a tazer?
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: NuklearPsilo]
#11838337 - 01/16/10 12:17 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn... He didn't need to shoot the guy 5 fucking times! That's what tasers are for!
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Vitamin 420]
#11838367 - 01/16/10 12:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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There seems to be a growing amount of reports of people getting shot while on mushrooms. So were the first two shots warning shots or did he get shot twice and was still walking towards the guy? So why didn't they taser him? Or did he have to be swallowing a plastic baggy to warrant tasering?
 
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Fuck this shit, I knew this guy, and the story is not at all true.
Fuck the government and fuck the police.
I would like to hear your side of the story as well.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: fatal_eclipse]
#11838452 - 01/16/10 12:44 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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HE HAD A FUCKING SCREWERIVER!!!! I guess the cop couldn't handle the risk associated with a couple scratches he may have recieved if he had used his baton or hands. WTF Fucked up. I can't believe this guy had to die in such a horrible state of mind.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: burtonRebel]
#11838647 - 01/16/10 01:25 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Horrible. I hate a lot of Snohomish County.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11838722 - 01/16/10 01:42 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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Horrible. I hate a lot of Snohomish County.
Agreed, I'm less worried about getting arrested and more worried about getting murdered during a routine stop.
Civies kill cops, cops kill civies... it's starting to look like this vicious cycle is becoming the norm now. Fuckin' scary.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Raspootin]
#11838909 - 01/16/10 02:33 AM (3 years, 5 months ago) |
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I don't understand how he "may" have been on mushrooms, either you are or you are not, and a simple toxicology report on the body would be able to determine whether he was or not. Bullshit ass media.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: suburbanned]
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: arg6]
#11840717 - 01/16/10 01:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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arg6... Funny clip, I like A scanner darkley
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: treesniper119]
#11841511 - 01/16/10 04:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Why are these fucking police officers trained to use guns first? They are trained to draw their guns, not their tazers, on anyone. I'm feeling less safe in this country because of the amount of incidents like this one. 6 people in one year dead because of the snohomish police? Fuck them.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Spiderwort]
#11841756 - 01/16/10 04:56 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm not saying that this case was justified, but I do understand why this shit happens.
For every police-related death there are probably 1000 people getting the shit tazed out of them.
Cops are afraid these days, especially considering that 5 or 6 officers have been murdered in cold blood in Washington in the last two or three months.
It is sickening in both directions.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11841919 - 01/16/10 05:26 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It is sickening in both directions.
true that.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: burtonRebel]
#11842080 - 01/16/10 05:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Police are trained to remove a weapon from said perpetrators hands, my next door neighbor and cousin both showed me this. There is no need for lethal force if someone is coming at you with anything short of a bladed weapon, bludegeoning tool, or an actual gun. Even at those points a taser and/or pepper spray should be used.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: lucydforme]
#11843090 - 01/16/10 08:46 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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A screwdriver is a very dangerous weapon.
Perhaps I'm the only one who supports the cop here, but I definitely would do the same thing.
When you have already stabbed somebody, and are attempting to stab another person, while a police officer is standing in the parking lot with a gun trained on you, what are you expecting to happen?
Surely he was too intoxicated to understand the situation. Does that exonerate him?
Not in my opinion.
I believe you need to take responsibility for your actions, even when you are intoxicated.
I know this is not a very popular opinion, and that most people like to ignore when they behave badly under the influence.
However, it is not the officers fault that this man took mushrooms. Can anyone here seriously imagine not being shot if they behaved in such a manner while sober?
I think I have to go with the cop on this one.
And I hate cops.
@vitamin420, if you have the real story lets hear it. I know cops falsify police reports, but what about the stabbed witness?
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Heffy]
#11846415 - 01/17/10 12:54 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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One time when I was a kid I ate 2 gs of ps. Cyanescens and stepped into a different reality where I didn't even know my own name. Now if I had been alone in a nice place or with good friends, all would have been ok. On this particular night, however, I was with someone who I'm not too familiar with and kinda weirds me out sometimes. It was also a rainy cold night and we were walking around outside. So anyways, the peak was too much for me because I wasn't prepared. I was too busy Being irritated by the person I had mistakenly brought along. It spiraled in to one huge bad trip fast. Now I'm not saying I would stab somone in the face with a screwdriver, but I can definately undErstand and relate to total disassociation of reality. This situation resulted from a complete lack of empathy and I do Not have patience for that fucking shit.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: burtonRebel]
#11859872 - 01/19/10 04:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes, he was a friend of mine. We met last summer through a mutual buddy while playing soccer, and we started talking about growing mushrooms indoors... how easy and sneaky it is as opposed to growing sticky bud, so one day he texts me saying he got all of the supplies and he's setting his shit up to grow Golden Teachers.
A couple months later he's got more mushrooms than he knows what to do with. He's giving away 8ths to his friends and he still doesn't know what to do with all of them, so I guess he started tripping quite frequently. His last trip before the fatal one was 9.5g, who knows how much he took this time around.
The witness who got stabbed is bullshit I think, because the only two people around him were his gf and her dad, and according to her, he was thinking that demons were coming to kill her and her baby, he wasn't going crazy and trying to kill everyone, he was just trying to protect his gf and their unborn child. I don't even think the dad got stabbed - that was straight bullshit, IIRC he was at the funeral with his daughter and he was totally ok. No stab wounds at all. He did call the cops, but he and his daughter didn't feel that Adam was an immediate threat.
The cop shot him in the BACK, while he was trying to pick up a vase of flowers for his girlfriend.
Man, every time I think about this shit my head starts to spin. I can't deal with this type of shit - why did the cop have to shoot him? He didn't have a taser, cuffs, teargas, a baton? Adam wasn't insanely large, any cop could have subdued him and put him in cuffs. But instead, the officer drew for the gun immediately and shot him. In the back.
Fuck the police
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Vitamin 420]
#11860120 - 01/19/10 04:48 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Are you serious dude? That is fucking crazy, I hope you inform the media because that shit needs to be known. I figured that it must have been a frequent tripper or a really large dose. I don't understand how the screwdriver came in to play? You say hewasjust picking up a vase for gf? That's so fucked. I'm sorry for your loss.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: burtonRebel]
#11860294 - 01/19/10 05:16 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That's so fucked up. That's just how it would happen, too. And then the cop has to say the guy had a screw driver, and the dad probably didn't give a shit to say otherwise.
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: nooneman]
#11861093 - 01/19/10 07:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm so sorry for your friend Adam and your loss. I pray that cop gets brought to justice...
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: treesniper119]
#11863772 - 01/20/10 03:35 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm so sorry for your friend Adam and your loss. I pray that cop gets brought to justice...
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Re: Suspect killed by police may have been on mushrooms [Re: Twiztidsage]
#11865529 - 01/20/10 02:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks guys those words mean a lot to me 
They said the investigation will take more than a year ... so hopefully, when it comes back, the cop who shot him will be fired. There's still bullet holes in the walls and blood stains, it's pretty sickening.
I think the reason the cop shot him was because Adam didn't even know a cop was there. He was trippin out, off in his own world, not listening to anything the cop was saying, and definitely not complying with his orders ("Get on the ground!!"), so when he turned around and was walking towards the vase with flowers in it, he got shot in the back.
I don't know too much about the screwdriver. He may have had it in his hand, but seriously, he's only a threat to himself with it. When was the last time you got your ass kicked by a guy who was on 9.5g of mushrooms? It doesn't seem very likely that he was being aggressive, because his mentality was set on defending his girlfriend and their unborn child from the "demons" that were coming, and like I said, I really don't think the dad got stabbed, that part is phony...
"Investigators were told that Smith punched his girlfriend's father in the face several times and then stabbed him in the cheek with a screwdriver. Detectives noted blood and overturned and broken household items in the apartment."
I think he was at the funeral and he seemed to be okay, I really don't see where this came from. It seems like there are two completely different stories altogether... but, for the part about the detectives noting blood in the apartment - no shit? You shot a man to death, what do you expect? They might as well have added "BULLET HOLES FOUND IN WALLS".
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