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 Zigmat
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 Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? 
#11718752 - 12/26/09 12:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This might turn out to be a lengthy post, I'd appreciate if you could read it through, but I'll try to add a tl;dr version at the bottom for the lazy ones.
Anyways, It's been about 2 months since i last smoked pot. I had been smoking for about a year, with different frequencies, ranging from weekend-only use to everyday use for some periods. At first i used to enjoy the high incredibly and have a blast when smoking, but things started turning for the worst.
First and foremost, i wasn't enjoying the high as i should be. During the last months i wasn't feeling that trippy, silly, say and do stupid stuff with your friends kind of high. It was merely a slight enhancement of sober life. As of that moment i was starting to consider a break.
Another concerning thing for me was the impact it was having on my mind. I've usually been an outgoing person, enjoying my time with others and having fun. During my more heavy pot usage, i started enjoying less and less the company of others, and started becoming more introverted, to the point of just wanting to be alone at times.
Let's now fast forward to the last weeks before i decided to take a break. During a concert, where i had smoked a few joints over the night and had some drinks, a weird episode occurred. I was in the middle of a crowd, and almost passed out. This was very scary, as my friends had to carry me away from the crowd.
A week after that, when i thought everything was fine again, i was riding the bus home. Suddenly i started feeling really scared out of nowhere, and started feeling as if i was going to pass out again. I managed to calm myself down, but it was a very scary incident and made me feel scared of going out again, reviving some of these fear feeling every time i was outside my home for a while. I eventually managed to control it and i can normally go about everyday life without much trouble, but the idea crosses my mind from time to time.
The event that made me decide to take a break was the last high i got. I smoked a joint alone in my house during the night. Out of nowhere, i started freaking out, and couldn't calm myself down. My heart was beating fast, my breathing was heavy, and i was scared. I tried everything, i switched rooms, walked all over the house, but whenever i started thinking about it, I'd start freaking out again. I just wanted it to be over.
Now, ever since that last high, I'm much more calm, enjoying life like i used to, but sometimes have some minor depression/fear moments which i am now able to cast away. Still, i'd like to give pot one more chance, but I'm afraid that the fear from my last experience will cross my mind, making me freak out and not just let go and enjoy the high (to that, add that my tolerance is almost at 0 by now, so I'll be higher than i have been in quite a while).
So do you think i should try smoking again? If i did and was succesful, I'd keep the usage down to twice or three times per month at most, not to ruin it (and ruin myself), i just don't know...
tl;dr: smoked pot for a year, started getting anxiety and other negative side effects, had some sort of bad trip on pot and decided to quit. 2 months in, I'm considering if i should smoke again.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11718782 - 12/26/09 12:20 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Man, to be honest, I'd still stay on a break if I were you.
You don't need to smoke pot to have fun... if you think that you do, then there is a problem.
It seems that you are enjoying life more now that mj isn't being used, maybe you should just continue down that path.
I personally love smoking pot and smoke almost every day, but I don't experience the anxiety and fear you have described. If I did, I would certainly not continue smoking dope.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Blue Key]
#11718786 - 12/26/09 12:22 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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i didn't even bother to read your post.
you don't need to do anything. smoking or not is your choice.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: nootropic]
#11718822 - 12/26/09 12:31 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Blue Key said:
Man, to be honest, I'd still stay on a break if I were you.
You don't need to smoke pot to have fun... if you think that you do, then there is a problem.
It seems that you are enjoying life more now that mj isn't being used, maybe you should just continue down that path.
I personally love smoking pot and smoke almost every day, but I don't experience the anxiety and fear you have described. If I did, I would certainly not continue smoking dope.
I do not feel that i need to smoke pot to have fun, it's just that smoking is a fun activity to share with your friends every once in a while. But i get your point.
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i didn't even bother to read your post.
you don't need to do anything. smoking or not is your choice.
Well i won't even bother considering your reply then 
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11718852 - 12/26/09 12:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea I see where you are coming from man.
My friend has panic attacks all the time. I am almost positive that it is because of his marijuana use. He continues to smoke on a regular basis, though. And suffer through anxiety, stress, and panic attacks.
I personally wouldn't continue if I was in a situation such as his, but only you know what you feel like, and only you know whether or not it's worth it to continue smoking.
Marijuana can be a real enhancement to life, but it isn't my reason to live. I wish you the best of luck with this decision.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11718877 - 12/26/09 12:44 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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what are you afraid of? have you ever asked yourself that anytime you began to feel anxiety?
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: senya]
#11718895 - 12/26/09 12:46 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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what are you afraid of? have you ever asked yourself that anytime you began to feel anxiety?
I used to think the same way you do senya. Why not just CHOOSE to be happy? How can you have anxiety if you decide you don't want to?
I changed my feelings about this when I had a terrible, terrible trip on shrooms at wal-mart. I had no idea how it happened or why it did, and I certainly couldn't change how I was feeling.
I myself am not an anxious person, but I can feel sympathy for those who are. Sometimes it is just something you can't combat.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: senya]
#11718901 - 12/26/09 12:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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senya said:
what are you afraid of? have you ever asked yourself that anytime you began to feel anxiety?
Well since these events started with that episode of almost passing out, the fear has mostly been of passing out in a public place or something like that.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11718908 - 12/26/09 12:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zigmat said:
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what are you afraid of? have you ever asked yourself that anytime you began to feel anxiety?
Well since these events started with that episode of almost passing out, the fear has mostly been of passing out in a public place or something like that.
That was my wal-mart trip man. I almost collapsed in the middle of the store. If I wasn't with my close friends I would have been fucked.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Blue Key]
#11718909 - 12/26/09 12:49 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yeah i believe that the whole anxiety thing stems from the chemicals that you introduce into your brain when you use certain psychedelics and that surge of chemicals promotes anxiety in some individuals. but i also think that your thoughts can overpower anything if you put in as much effort as is needed to do so.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: senya]
#11718920 - 12/26/09 12:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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senya said:
yeah i believe that the whole anxiety thing stems from the chemicals that you introduce into your brain when you use certain psychedelics and that surge of chemicals promotes anxiety in some individuals. but i also think that your thoughts can overpower anything if you put as much effort as is needed to do so.
I agree with you, personally.
I can overcome anxiety as my own individual, but it's impossible to know whether or not others are capable of this. Really, you just have to try and overcome as your own individual... as I have said- only YOU know how YOU feel.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11718921 - 12/26/09 12:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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just dont get high if you know you have to be in public, i suppose.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: nootropic]
#11718926 - 12/26/09 12:52 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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nootropic said:
i didn't even bother to read your post.
you don't need to do anything. smoking or not is your choice.
Anyway, I would say give it another month or so then try smoking once again. Some people have anxiety problems with pot that mysteriously disappear after awhile. If you get another anxiety attack, wait a few months then try again.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Blue Key]
#11718944 - 12/26/09 12:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zigmat said:Anyways, It's been about 2 months since i last smoked pot. I had been smoking for about a year, with different frequencies, ranging from weekend-only use to everyday use for some periods. At first i used to enjoy the high incredibly and have a blast when smoking, but things started turning for the worst.
First and foremost, i wasn't enjoying the high as i should be. During the last months i wasn't feeling that trippy, silly, say and do stupid stuff with your friends kind of high. It was merely a slight enhancement of sober life. As of that moment i was starting to consider a break.
Another concerning thing for me was the impact it was having on my mind. I've usually been an outgoing person, enjoying my time with others and having fun. During my more heavy pot usage, i started enjoying less and less the company of others, and started becoming more introverted, to the point of just wanting to be alone at times.
Dude i can totally relate to you, thats very similar to my situation right now, minus the panic attacks. I havent smoked in a 2 months because i experienced those same exact symptoms from over indulgence.. Those symptoms you went through are completely normal, if you do anything too much, it just isnt the same and it loses its effect.
However i dont have an explantion for your panic attacks, it is an effect that pot can cause as well as other psychedelics.. So idk man, i guess try it again with some friends and see what happens, but do it in a chill envirenment..
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: eruditemonkey]
#11718954 - 12/26/09 12:57 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yea, pot and other psychedelic substances have been linked to panic attacks.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Blue Key]
#11719234 - 12/26/09 01:56 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the input so far.
These anxiety episodes started when all i could think about was the fact that i couldn't take control over my thoughts. I'd start thinking how awful it'd be to pass out in a particular situation, then building into how i couldn't think of something else to calm me down. Slowly, i started being able to just let those bad thoughts pass.
And i might smoke sometime again, starting low as to not get uncomfortably high right off the bat, building my way up again.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11719275 - 12/26/09 02:06 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zigmat said:
Thanks for all the input so far.
These anxiety episodes started when all i could think about was the fact that i couldn't take control over my thoughts. I'd start thinking how awful it'd be to pass out in a particular situation, then building into how i couldn't think of something else to calm me down. Slowly, i started being able to just let those bad thoughts pass.
And i might smoke sometime again, starting low as to not get uncomfortably high right off the bat, building my way up again.
That sounds like when my friend tried lsd his first time.
He got stuck in an anxious mental loop which messed the entire trip up for him. Now he won't try acid again- because of his one bad experience. 
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11719674 - 12/26/09 03:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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if i were you, i would definitely smoke weed again. but smoke it with a lot of care, and be careful. the thing i love about weed, is im able to use it for so many things... if i want to smoke it for an uplifting mild buzz, id just pack say 0.05g into my pipe and rip that. if i want to get to sleep, id keep ripping larger amounts until i just fall to sleep.
try using smaller amounts of weed, as this may well be your problem. many people are not quite equipped to handle larger doses of cannabis. maybe you are one of them.
so yeah, try 0.05g bowls at a time. if you keep freaking out from doses like that, then just dont smoke weed. you dont need to do it & im sure you can live without it.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Lucas89]
#11720093 - 12/26/09 07:11 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Were you standing when you passed out in the concert? Is it possible that you were standing for an extended period of time with your knees locked? This can cause you to pass out, unexpectedly. Are you hypoglycemic or hypotensive, or suffer from any other illness? Diabetes? You will probably find comfort in the fact that the cannabis had nothing to do with you passing out unless you just were so stoned that you didn't realize that you were doing something like keeping your knees locked while standing. Well, I shouldn't say that, because it does lower blood pressure, but not dangerously of course.
Try to learn how to recognize and distinguish different types of cannabis. Sativas often found in schwag is more likely to induce racey thoughts and hence anxiety. Dense nugs are typically indica, and are more likely to induce calming thoughts, couchlock, etc., and are oftentimes helpful for people with anxiety. These guidelines are not etched in stone. I suffer from anxiety, usually brought on by unpleasant thoughts, I was an emergency medical tech. for awhile and it amplified the frequency and magnitude of my anxiety. Researching and understanding anxiety has been beneficial to me, and I cultivate my own cannabis now to ensure that I get the effects I want. I have found that I can harvest sativas late and they don't give me anxiety. I grow Strawberry Cough because it is known to be good for anxiety, and it is even though they are a hybrid sativa/indica.
It is hard to "think" away a panic attack once it has started, and telling yourself that you need something to cure you of them will only encourage the anxiety to manifest in your mind. I can say this even though I medicate myself, because smoking for me is acting pro-actively towards stopping my anxiety, just like you trying to research your problem.
I would encourage you to abstain from smoking loose looking sativa bud, or schwag the next time you smoke. Don't let compressed sativa fool you into thinking it is indica. Try to only smoke something you believe is an indica for your next smoke and as the person above me said start small and see how you feel. Relax. Remember that you are safe and informed.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: dutc2006]
#11720150 - 12/26/09 07:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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i noticed weed anxiety only happened to me when i occasionally smoked
but after smoking daily and getting into a hefty habit i noticed that dissapears completely... almost
only time i have ever felt paranoid was sitting at my computer zoning out completely after a cone and just realising how fucked up the whole reality game is (i call it a game beacuse to me its kinda liek a mind game) that gave me a bit of a reality check kinda
then i just shrugged it off liek always and continued enjoying my weed as usual (this has nly happened about twice anyway)
anyway thats the only experiences that really got me thinking but besides that if i was you i would give it a break or do it in a better setting and see how that pans out, if not then maybe u should cease
but by then u will mostt likely have already made up your mind whether or not u want to continue or not.
hope everything works out 4 ya mate 
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11720321 - 12/26/09 09:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Try and remember that cannabis does not change who you are, only shows you parts of yourself you may have been hiding.
What you had on the bus you had a weed flashback, once I got fucking stoned out of nowhere a couple days after a heavy smoke session, freaked me out but its normal. Your tolerance will be down to nothing my friend so take 4 hits out of a pipe and put it down. Everyone has different comfort levels. As for the heartbeat/pass out feeling. Mixing weed with ANY alcohol and your running the risk of passing out. Heartbeat is completely normal to be increased, your blood vessels dilate much like if you were exercising (red eyes).
Most important thing to remember is that when you are high, you are not responsible for thinking. Many people feel pressured to control their thoughts when high, but lay back and let the weed think for you. Let any and all thoughts no matter how very strange enter your brain, that is what makes weed fun! With friends its easier to do that but alone its more difficult, that is why you don't get the "fucked up" feeling is because you resist the high and get paranoid. Whatever you do good luck!
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Smawrpg]
#11720350 - 12/26/09 09:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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as a marijuana advocate, i would never tell anyone to not smoke cannabis. I think it can help anyone wether its for recreational purposes or to clear anxiety to major pains. But because this plant is illegal it makes people go into a state of "paranoia" because you get scared that someone will catch you or your brain keeps adding things to worry about. I smoke weed everyday, its a lifestyle choice of mine. In high school i had a group of friends (not my main group of friends) but they smoked cannabis and just acted STUPID, i feel like this is your type of high, they are goofy kids and im not saying they were immaturely using cannabis but they definitely didn't smoke cannabis for the same purpose i did. Also i had my high change after i first smoked cannabis to the high i get now. After about 4 months of smoking cannabis everyday my high in a sense mellowed out. I enjoyed this high much more. After my use with psychedelics i cant smoke as much weed as i use to, i will smoke a bowl and be cloud nine high, it gets to a point where i don't think i can get any higher (even though i know i could it would just be a waste ;-) ) I recommend you keep smoking and let cannabis change your life for the best as it has changed mine, keep smoking, keep demanding, OVERGROW THE WORLD
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Cloudkicker]
#11720351 - 12/26/09 09:28 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I promise you that cannabis is a completely safe drug if you are mentally stable in the first place.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Cloudkicker]
#11720425 - 12/26/09 10:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly, I don't know why someone would ask OTHER PEOPLE what drugs they should ingest. If you feel better without smoking cannabis, don't smoke it. Pretty simple really.
However, I'm anxious with it, or without it. Nothing soothes my existential angst. 
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Cloudkicker]
#11720428 - 12/26/09 10:18 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I promise you that cannabis is a completely safe drug if you are mentally stable in the first place.
thats exactly right......in a nutshell
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Libertin]
#11720466 - 12/26/09 10:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Libertin said:
Honestly, I don't know why someone would ask OTHER PEOPLE what drugs they should ingest. If you feel better without smoking cannabis, don't smoke it. Pretty simple really.
However, I'm anxious with it, or without it. Nothing soothes my existential angst.
Not true at all. He once enjoyed smoking and was wondering if it is possible to ever get that back and the answer is of course! its all in your mind, literally. I have had bad highs, but I don't let them affect future smoke sessions.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Smawrpg]
#11720722 - 12/26/09 12:13 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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By my own personal experience, I've discovered smoking pot every day is NOT the best thing. Nothing against those who do. It is a simple questions of personality. Some people get the best out of it, for others it can cause the opposite of what a high should be. I'm not saying stoning out on the weekends is a bad thing, because it's not, but for me, when I began constantly smoking, the high turned into something that more depressed me and made me sad and bored.
I still smoke a ton, but I make sure I don't go overboard.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Smawrpg]
#11724647 - 12/27/09 07:48 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly, I don't know why someone would ask OTHER PEOPLE what drugs they should ingest. If you feel better without smoking cannabis, don't smoke it. Pretty simple really.
However, I'm anxious with it, or without it. Nothing soothes my existential angst.
Not true at all. He once enjoyed smoking and was wondering if it is possible to ever get that back and the answer is of course! its all in your mind, literally. I have had bad highs, but I don't let them affect future smoke sessions.
Which part of my post is "not true at all"? I didn't offer any facts, just my opinion. Your criticism is simply not applicable.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Libertin]
#11727591 - 12/27/09 07:42 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would say try and smoke a low dosage of herb again see what happens, if you freak out and have a bad time then wait another few weeks and try again. Keep doing this until you are sure that herb is not for you.
OR
Don't smoke, I have stopped smoking for over a month now and I don't think I will ever go back to the daily or even weekly use I was doing before. I enjoyed it and never had episodes like you described but I am generally more zen without.
So far I have gone a month without marijuana or opiates, really is a big deal for me.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: clemens]
#11727897 - 12/27/09 08:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have had spells with anxiety over the years. Yes, marijuana can intensify the attack. It doesn't have to in my opinion though.
First, recognize you suffer from panic attacks. Not something to be proud of but, something you will have to recognize in order to deal with it.
Most, stories go with the "almost" passed out. To use your Wal-Mart example. I assume when you felt the dizzying feeling. Your mind started to race with "What if I pass out" questions. Your heart rate accelerated and the attack became intense.
Embrace the attack, or better yet, recognize you are having an attack. Sit down, even if you are in the middle of Wal-Mart. Work on your breathing, deep breath, hold, release. You could even have a paper bag in your pocket like you see in the movies. I wouldn't but, it is an option. Don't try and force you mind to stop thinking but, try to relax. Think of something nice like "watching waves on the beach."
If someone comes by and asks you if you need help. Calm, and direct tell them you suffer from anxiety. That you will be OK, just need a few moments of calm and it will pass. By the time you get this out you will be "right as rain."
Once, you are OK with idea you suffer from panic attacks, the symptoms, and amount of episodes should subside.
Remember, you do not have to worry about having an attack. Many, people suffer from them. It's not a big deal. If you have one, sit, breath, and in a couple of minutes it will be gone.
You should also get a physical. As a previous poster has mentioned you could have diabetes, high blood pressure, or something a doctor could help you with.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11728277 - 12/27/09 10:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just lay off the pot. It's overrated as all hell anyways and at best makes you slightly dumber and at worst gives the anxiety you experienced.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11728310 - 12/27/09 10:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you're in a position where you're questioning whether or not to quit smoking cannabis then of course you should quit. Most stoners couldn't quit smoking weed if their life depended on it. Take advantage of the fact that you're not like that. If it doesn't make you happy, it's a waste of money, a waste of time, and a waste of intelligence.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Blue Key]
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How much did you do?
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11728455 - 12/27/09 10:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Panic attacks. I get them too. It's all in your head. Relax and meditate, empty your mind, and don't do anything you aren't comfortable with. The more you think about passing out, the more likely it will happen. The passing out could be because you were really fucked up. Were you worrying before you passed out?
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: zoso6767]
#11729416 - 12/28/09 02:41 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the input. There's some really useful advice here, I'm still considering whether to try it again or not, i guess when it comes to it I'll make the decision.
I'm not sure if I'd call what i have a recurring thing already. It only happened intensely two times, once at the concert and once in the bus, shortly after.
The thing is, now that i started thinking about it, it had happened a few times before, always with a common factor. Whenever i had smoked pot, then drank some alcohol, then smoked some more, there'd be a point of the high where I'd start feeling dizzy and lightheaded. Most of the time I'd go to a nearby bathroom, sit and try to calm down till it passed. It'd be all good from that point on, but the time at the concert was worse because i couldn't even sit down in the middle of the crowd.
We'll see what happens... Thanks for all the good advice here so far!
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11729523 - 12/28/09 03:17 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I bet your knees were locked when you passed out at the concert.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: dutc2006]
#11729561 - 12/28/09 03:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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What's that about locked knees?
Edit: Googled it, it could be a reason. Actually it was a combination of things, from not having slept properly that day, added to not having had anything to eat for hours, plus the pot+alcohol thing, and now add the locked knees things. Plus, i started getting scared, which might've ended the job.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11729675 - 12/28/09 04:09 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Zigmat said:
Let's now fast forward to the last weeks before i decided to take a break. During a concert, where i had smoked a few joints over the night and had some drinks, a weird episode occurred. I was in the middle of a crowd, and almost passed out. This was very scary, as my friends had to carry me away from the crowd.
A week after that, when i thought everything was fine again, i was riding the bus home. Suddenly i started feeling really scared out of nowhere, and started feeling as if i was going to pass out again. I managed to calm myself down, but it was a very scary incident and made me feel scared of going out again, reviving some of these fear feeling every time i was outside my home for a while. I eventually managed to control it and i can normally go about everyday life without much trouble, but the idea crosses my mind from time to time.
The event that made me decide to take a break was the last high i got. I smoked a joint alone in my house during the night. Out of nowhere, i started freaking out, and couldn't calm myself down. My heart was beating fast, my breathing was heavy, and i was scared. I tried everything, i switched rooms, walked all over the house, but whenever i started thinking about it, I'd start freaking out again. I just wanted it to be over.
I'm not an expert but I have dealt with anxiety and depression issues before and it sounds a lot like those may be the underlying cause of the panic attacks. Alcohol is a depressant and that may have triggered your first attack, and weed can give a sense of paranoia in some cases. After having your first episode you may have thought about how hard it was the next time you got high and had a case of paranoia. I've only had one case where something similar has happened and it was when I was home alone as well. I kept thinking someone was breaking in and I kept hearing things (which were just normal noises that were intensified by the MJ) and I locked myself in my bedroom with the lights on and went to sleep.
My advice: take a little break, smoke only around people, work on breathing techniques for the panic attacks, and DO NOT under any circumstance mix alcohol and weed again. Anxiety+depressant+a chance of paranoia= a bad time
One thing i suggest to help deal with the anxiety is to go buy some herbal tea and incense of your liking and start to practice meditation for about 30min a day...it REALLY helps me
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11729918 - 12/28/09 05:51 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Wow. DEFINITELY Panic Attacks. They can cause you to pass out. I noticed I felt extreme chest pressure, chest pains, faintness, and stiffness in parts of my body at one point and what I did is every time I got a bad thought I'd say a catch phrase to replace the bad thought, "Let it go." while relaxing and meditating, focusing on blocking everything out except darkness. It turned out the chest pains and stiffness melted away so I relaxed knowing it was ridiculous to think anything was physically wrong with me.
If you are young and relatively healthy then there can't be anything physically wrong with you. Just relax. It's a shame that you can't enjoy weed anymore because of these silly attacks. You can pull through. Not just so you can get high again but so you never let fear control you in life. Try Googling managing panic attacks/anxiety for further tips. Good luck. I've been there before!
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: zoso6767]
#11736031 - 12/29/09 09:02 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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moderation.
Definitely don't stop smoking 100%.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Humility]
#11736428 - 12/29/09 12:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yes
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Spaced_Cowboy]
#11736561 - 12/29/09 12:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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If you smoked weed that long without having any problems, it's safe to say that it's not the weed causing you to freak out. If you want a high that's going to kick your ass to China and back, take a bit of a break, 2-3 weeks seems plenty..
As for your anxiety, panic attacks, whatever you wish to call them.. That's all mental, it's in your head, I used to have the same problem when I was convinced that I had heart problems. If anything, what caused this panic problem was what happened at the concert, and if anything, it was probably the alcohol thrown in to the mix.. I've seen people smoke pot after drinking, or vice versa and pass out, throw up, freak out, you name it.
I'd say if you want to smoke weed again, relax, tell yourself that whatever is causing your panic attacks is BS and it's in your head, and smoke a bowl. You'll be fine.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: LeperFace]
#11736978 - 12/29/09 02:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Weed is a miracle drug, there are absolutely no negative consequences. Don't say anything bad about my weed. Please, I want to continue believing it's somehow good for me.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Libertin]
#11987548 - 02/08/10 02:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well I'm bumping this in hopes to get some new opinions. It's been three months so far since i started this "break", and i feel like I'm myself again. The panic and stuff is gone, i sometimes get the thought but it passes my mind very quickly.
Now, the reason I'm starting to consider this again is that we've been growing a plant with a friend, and harvest time is getting closer. I really want to try out what we put so much effort on, but I'm a little afraid of the negative thoughts and becoming more introverted again...
Perhaps the solution is to smoke again, but leave it as something to do on a weekly/bi-weekly/monthly basis so i get the most out of the experience each time and avoid the negative side effects of habitual usage? What do you think?
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11987564 - 02/08/10 02:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would say take a break or just take a couple hits and enjoy the high, most likely you are smoking too much for your tolerance.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: zengarden66]
#11989631 - 02/08/10 07:24 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well that's not the problem since by the time that happened, i was smoking pretty much daily, but thanks anyways >.>
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11989720 - 02/08/10 07:34 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have two suggestions.
1. Has your dealer of the bud been the same throughout this entire period. If so I'd check to see if he may or may not be lacing the bud with another chemical.
2. I'd take a break for a while, possibly do a body cleasing. Have you been on any MAOI's or SSRI's latley? If so those can interfer and create adverse effects. For the most part it sounds like paranoia, I'd use the search engine or possibly google to look around how to rid paranoia from smoking.
Overall please post back and let me know how you feel after a long break.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: The Psychonaut]
#11990684 - 02/08/10 09:35 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I guess not that many people read the original post... I've been in a break for 3 months now, and I've always purchased weed from different sources so i doubt it's anything about the chemicals itself.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11991096 - 02/08/10 10:27 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I end up having the same issue. I was getting stoned every day and twice I just about passed out on it, almost felt like I was dying! I honestly think its possible to die on weed if your mental state is thinking negatively about your existence.
But to fix the problem I had, I took 2 months off weed, then my natural hormone productions came back and I was back to normal, I now only smoke weed to get high (not stoned) about once or twice a week, and that is it!
I also do magic mushroom once or twice a month, and no other drugs. I personally like mushrooms a lot better than weed!
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: starstrike]
#11991220 - 02/08/10 10:40 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I end up having the same issue. I was getting stoned every day and twice I just about passed out on it, almost felt like I was dying! I honestly think its possible to die on weed if your mental state is thinking negatively about your existence.
But to fix the problem I had, I took 2 months off weed, then my natural hormone productions came back and I was back to normal, I now only smoke weed to get high (not stoned) about once or twice a week, and that is it!
I also do magic mushroom once or twice a month, and no other drugs. I personally like mushrooms a lot better than weed!
Yeah this is what I've been planning to do. It's been 3 months now and as soon as i harvest my plant I'm going to try smoking some of it with a person really close to me in a comfortable setting.
If it ends up being enjoyable again, i might end up doing it once a week/once every 2 weeks or so.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: starstrike]
#11992027 - 02/09/10 12:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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starstrike said:
I end up having the same issue. I was getting stoned every day and twice I just about passed out on it, almost felt like I was dying! I honestly think its possible to die on weed if your mental state is thinking negatively about your existence.
But to fix the problem I had, I took 2 months off weed, then my natural hormone productions came back and I was back to normal, I now only smoke weed to get high (not stoned) about once or twice a week, and that is it!
I also do magic mushroom once or twice a month, and no other drugs. I personally like mushrooms a lot better than weed!
Wait..i was never informed weed fucked with your hormones??
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Blue Key]
#11992178 - 02/09/10 12:28 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Blue Key said:
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senya said:
what are you afraid of? have you ever asked yourself that anytime you began to feel anxiety?
I used to think the same way you do senya. Why not just CHOOSE to be happy? How can you have anxiety if you decide you don't want to?
I changed my feelings about this when I had a terrible, terrible trip on shrooms at wal-mart. I had no idea how it happened or why it did, and I certainly couldn't change how I was feeling.
I myself am not an anxious person, but I can feel sympathy for those who are. Sometimes it is just something you can't combat.
Dear god... I don't like going into that hell hole sober...
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: SalviNate]
#11992832 - 02/09/10 02:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wait..i was never informed weed fucked with your hormones??
Yeah it can lower your natural dopamine production, which is the main withdrawal symptom when you stop smoking, it comes back in about 4-7 days from not smoking.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: starstrike]
#11993025 - 02/09/10 03:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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short answer, no. even if it did help you it would not be you independently improving but with marijuana as a crutch. weed doesn't have the potential that psychedelics do, it's just a good time. your thoughts and feelings are a lot harder to control, just don't put yourself through that again. why run the risk? ain't worth it.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: showme]
#11993141 - 02/09/10 04:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i have had random panic attacks from smoking pot, its weird cause i smoke A LOT but sometimes it happens, it can happen to anyone. Suck it up and toke one!
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: SummerDaisies]
#11993193 - 02/09/10 04:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've experienced the same (panic attacks, fainted once, though I attribute that to not having eaten all day) and can say you CAN get past it. I was skeptical about advice about deep breathing but it really does help. I've found the only times I start to get anxious is when I'm unaware that I've slowed my breathing and for some reason the bodily sensations really start to fuck me over.
No one's taken into consideration that you were at a show. Hell i've almost passed out in a crowd several times, sober. It can get rough sometimes(coach 06, tool, very front anyone?)
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Red_Snapper]
#11993983 - 02/09/10 10:46 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Red_Snapper said:
No one's taken into consideration that you were at a show. Hell i've almost passed out in a crowd several times, sober. It can get rough sometimes(coach 06, tool, very front anyone?)
I fucking wish.... missed that one. ;(
I use to smoke weed all the time back in high school.. daily thing.
Was fun .. but my buddy was taking it a bit overboard (even in my
perspective then) so i cut back, eventually quit.. and got into
psychedelics. Was never the same after .. Don't know if it's due
strictly to lack of tolerance or has to do with psychedelics.. prob
both.. but I don't find it at all social anymore. yet at the same
time.. I don't really miss it. I'll just stick to my trips every
so often now. Since this is my experience.. I don't really know what
to recommend.. which makes my entire post quite worthless really.
sorry bout that.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: ZenClarity]
#11994034 - 02/09/10 11:01 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm afraid your anxiety/fear is probably based on something in your life, not the cannabis. I have a recommendation for medical marijuana exactly for my anxiety/fear/depression. However, it does not agree with everyone. Some people get paranoid and freak-out when they smoke, and I may be wrong here, but I believe some people can even be allergic.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: ZenClarity]
#11994038 - 02/09/10 11:02 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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passing out at a show is no big thing, happens all the time. you was just dancing your ass off.
in fact if you DONT pass out during/after the show you weren't getting down hard enuff. straight up, nicuh
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: AntiEverything]
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I don't know how anyone can get a panic attack from just cannabis.
I've smoked every day for the past year and have not regretted one time.
Although if I'm drunk and smoke cannabis, the body high of both combined can make me feel really sick and unpleasant. Laying down on a nice bed always helps though.
I shall smoke cannabis forever.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: mrgibblet]
#11997806 - 02/09/10 09:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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The thing is, i was smoking daily without a problem until this "bad pot trip" happened, and that's when i decided to stop.
I think i'm pretty sure I'll be smoking again, in a comfortable setting and starting with a low ammount (my tolerance must be by the ground now). Also I'll do it a lot less often than before.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11998406 - 02/09/10 10:47 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, just be chill about it and toke in moderation. With the right set and setting I guarantee the pot will actually soothe any fear/anxiety you might be having. If you were fine smoking it daily then had a bad stone, it probably had something to doo with the set and setting, not the Ganj.
Good luck! I hope you are able to benefet from the wonderful plant that is cannabis.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: nick-onelove]
#11998751 - 02/09/10 11:41 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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nick-onelove said:
Yeah, just be chill about it and toke in moderation. With the right set and setting I guarantee the pot will actually soothe any fear/anxiety you might be having. If you were fine smoking it daily then had a bad stone, it probably had something to doo with the set and setting, not the Ganj.
Good luck! I hope you are able to benefet from the wonderful plant that is cannabis.
Thanks. The last 2 highs before the "bad stone" were sort of a warning of what was going to happen. During those 2 highs (always the same set and setting, in my bedroom at night with everyone in the house sleeping) there was a point were i'd start freaking out for no reason. Those two times i could finally relax and enjoy the rest of the high, but in the third one i started freaking out badly and couldn't calm down.
During that time i was having extremely negative thoughts most of the time, even sober, but that has mostly passed now, which i hope makes me enjoy the high again.
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Re: Help!! Should i smoke marijuana again? [Re: Zigmat]
#11998771 - 02/09/10 11:44 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well like I said, cannabis simply doesn't agree with a small group of people. But seeing as your daily trips before were fine I just don't know, man. Do you toke with chill, well-experienced people with a mindset, that says "this is going to be nice and chill me out"?
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