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 Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. 
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I'd like to propose that believing that because a man named Jesus existed, that being proof that there is a god is akin to believing the presents under the christmas tree is proof of santa claus.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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I'd like to propose that believing that because a man named Jesus existed, that being proof that there is a god is akin to believing the presents under the christmas tree is proof of santa claus.
its proof that there is an agenda to get people away from a belief in Jesus using lies
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: LuSiD9]
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yah but we know that santa claus is made up and that our parents put the presents- ohhhh
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: learningtofly]
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ask yourself why Zeitgeist is fairly accurate in the second and third part and yet COMPLETELY misses the mark in the first with one false fact after another
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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because Zeitgeist was an awful, pointless, barrage of crap.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: learningtofly]
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because Zeitgeist was an awful, pointless, barrage of crap.
911 was an inside job(well we have the evidence that it was at least a controlled demolition)
there are over 800 architects and engineers demanding a new investigation
the federal reserve does have a stranglehold on the US
yet the first part is complete and utter bullshit
its interesting the sources used for the movie
theosophists and freemasons
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Life Upon Death said:
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I'd like to propose that believing that because a man named Jesus existed, that being proof that there is a god is akin to believing the presents under the christmas tree is proof of santa claus.
its proof that there is an agenda to get people away from a belief in Jesus using lies
Please educate me. How is my statement "proof" of that?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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I'd like to propose that believing that because a man named Jesus existed, that being proof that there is a god is akin to believing the presents under the christmas tree is proof of santa claus.
its proof that there is an agenda to get people away from a belief in Jesus using lies
Please educate me. How is my statement "proof" of that?
cuz u questioned it
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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because Zeitgeist was an awful, pointless, barrage of crap.
911 was an inside job(well we have the evidence that it was at least a controlled demolition)
there are over 800 architects and engineers demanding a new investigation
the federal reserve does have a stranglehold on the US
yet the first part is complete and utter bullshit
its interesting the sources used for the movie
theosophists and freemasons
Let's stick to the topic of proof of a god. I still haven't seen any compelling proof that because jesus the man may have been a historical figure that that is proof that a god exists. Or that because the authors of the bible or the koran for that matter claim a book to be the word of this god, it actually is.
I'm open to being convinced by any compelling evidence.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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I'd like to propose that believing that because a man named Jesus existed, that being proof that there is a god is akin to believing the presents under the christmas tree is proof of santa claus.
its proof that there is an agenda to get people away from a belief in Jesus using lies
Where's the proof?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: learningtofly]
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I'd like to propose that believing that because a man named Jesus existed, that being proof that there is a god is akin to believing the presents under the christmas tree is proof of santa claus.
its proof that there is an agenda to get people away from a belief in Jesus using lies
Please educate me. How is my statement "proof" of that?
cuz u questioned it
Sorry that's not proof of anything.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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I'd like to propose that believing that because a man named Jesus existed, that being proof that there is a god is akin to believing the presents under the christmas tree is proof of santa claus.
its proof that there is an agenda to get people away from a belief in Jesus using lies
Please educate me. How is my statement "proof" of that?
your statement alone isn't proof
watch this if you wanna know more about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GWiW7hBw2M
its only 10mins
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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I'm not saying I have proof of anything. I'm saying you have no compelling proof that god exists.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397068 - 11/06/09 12:46 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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this is a VERY good lecture by a lawyer who investigated the infiltration of the new age theology into Christianity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgXgc3EN0eM
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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I'm not saying I have proof of anything. I'm saying you have no compelling proof that god exists.
you said that I was basing my belief on your statement(which I'm not)
just watch the damn videos if you want a clue
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397074 - 11/06/09 12:47 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Still waiting for some compelling evidence that god exists.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Still waiting for some compelling evidence that god exists.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397088 - 11/06/09 12:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you don't watch the video then your not interested in the evidence obviously
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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It's not about the question I have put to you
You are evading the question with distractions.
Do you have any compelling proof that a god exists?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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You made a claim, and now you're responsible to sustain it, to show that it actually makes sense.
Linking a youtube video in hopes that you'll get rif of the burden of proof is not fit for this kind of forum. If you care, type and explain all those arguments from the lecture.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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Thank you.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
#11397131 - 11/06/09 12:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's not about the question I have put to you
You are evading the question with distractions.
Do you have any compelling proof that a god exists?
I have much but if you don't want to see the truth in it you won't
I've given you plenty to get you on your way of research
you want to be a nihilist loser apparently
thats your choice to make and I won't try to stop you
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397133 - 11/06/09 12:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is the meaning of the word 'God'?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: MushroomTrip]
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You made a claim, and now you're responsible to sustain it, to show that it actually makes sense.
Linking a youtube video in hopes that you'll get rif of the burden of proof is not fit for this kind of forum. If you care, type and explain all those arguments from the lecture.
I am not wasting my time posting the same fucking quotes that are from the video
I claimed that it was evidence of an agenda which I have proven
you simply refuse to look at the evidence
I can't do that for you
you got to want to know which you don't
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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It's not about the question I have put to you
You are evading the question with distractions.
Do you have any compelling proof that a god exists?
I have much but if you don't want to see the truth in it you won't
I've given you plenty to get you on your way of research
you want to be a nihilist loser apparently
thats your choice to make and I won't try to stop you
Still waiting for you to present one shred of compelling evidence of your claim that god exists.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Ahimsa]
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What is the meaning of the word 'God'?
I see the Word of God as a backbone structure, giving us exactly what we need at any given time so that the future will be what it was meant to be(and will be)
God is functioning independent of time so His words directly reflect the end result of those words
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Prove the bible or any book is the word of god. Someone could easily say the koran is the word of god and say that is proof enough.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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It's not about the question I have put to you
You are evading the question with distractions.
Do you have any compelling proof that a god exists?
I have much but if you don't want to see the truth in it you won't
I've given you plenty to get you on your way of research
you want to be a nihilist loser apparently
thats your choice to make and I won't try to stop you
Still waiting for you to present one shred of compelling evidence of your claim that god exists.
still waiting for you to look at what I have presented
I am addressing your specific point concerning proof of the agenda to discredit Christianity which I Provided
if you expect the evidence to just plot out in front of you, you clearly don't get it
the evidence is based on various aspects of reality, society, humanity, science, government etc etc etc
if your not willing to look don't even fucking accuse me of not providing
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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"Let us put our trust in the eternal spirit which destroys and annihilates only because it is the unsearchable and eternally creative source of all life"
I know its not your own quote, but you obviously felt it to put it as your sig
Proof of this eternal spirit please?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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My question is to you. Please provide some compelling proof that a god exists.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Prove the bible or any book is the word of god. Someone could easily say the koran is the word of god and say that is proof enough.
for anyone whos interested in a good discussion concerning Muhammad and his encounter with "Gabriel" and his reaction to this brutal encounter(Muhammad tried to kill himself)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT6jbmd8Y-4
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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proof that there are Ancient accounts of a flood from all over the world:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMSsosBfkg8
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Thats is pretty lame to keep linking to videos...
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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My original question remains, please show some compelling evidence of the existence of god. And it has been avoided constantly and remains unanswered.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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Thats is pretty lame to keep linking to videos...
so its lame
if you can't be bothered to watch a video your not seeking truth
if you provided valid movies I would watch them and comment on them(have done it before and will probably do it again)
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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What is the meaning of the word 'God'?
I see the Word of God as a backbone structure, giving us exactly what we need at any given time so that the future will be what it was meant to be(and will be)
God is functioning independent of time so His words directly reflect the end result of those words
Ok. So the word 'God' means the entity that reveals and directs the future?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Ahimsa]
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What is the meaning of the word 'God'?
I see the Word of God as a backbone structure, giving us exactly what we need at any given time so that the future will be what it was meant to be(and will be)
God is functioning independent of time so His words directly reflect the end result of those words
Ok. So the word 'God' means the entity that reveals and directs the future?
you could say that
I think of it as the point where divine spiritual communication became physical
a physical guiding point working along side the Spirit
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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lol, we've got an internet extraordinare here... (just look at his post count in such short time... 
"I'll debate the fuck out of you... with youtube links!"
On such a fundamental part of ones life as a believer you cant just kinda type something up for us?
ORRRRRRRRRRRRR maybe there is never any sufficient proof for any religion or anything outside of our empiricism (please dont get hung up on that, lets not go there)... anyway religion REQUIRES faith, period. Admit it, and I mean faith is in essence around our lives all the time... its just most funny when some need to get faithful about that most ultimate mystery, though there it functions as feigning comprehension through that wonderful thing faith.
Though I like the jews better, at least they were down with yahweh without talking up heaven and hell as real concepts. Fuck nirvana, heaven, hell - all are parts of our language and they stem from our place here but try to attempt to explain a reality that works on opposite sides of our socalled spectrum of ideals - but if you think about it they all are nonsensical or at the least heaven in particular sounds retarded. But damn yeah I am not prepared to go on and on with that point right now though I could, but I am not sure yall wanna keep reading 
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Its not about avoiding it, its just impossible to proove, end of.
Well actually its not impossible, you can experience it, but thats not 'objective' evidence
Asking for objective evidence of God is like trying to bite your own teeth
Its like saying 'can i please see awareness?' you can never see it in the conventional sense, its a non phenomenal seeing, an intuitive seeing, hence all the religions indirectly saying 'look within'
Its not seeing an object, what 'God' is, is not an object
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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if you provided valid movies I would watch them and comment on them
Then how about replying to my valid question. What compelling evidence can you prove that a god exists?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: andrewss]
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lol, we've got an internet extraordinare here... (just look at his post count in such short time...
"I'll debate the fuck out of you... with youtube links!"
On such a fundamental part of ones life as a believer you cant just kinda type something up for us?
ORRRRRRRRRRRRR maybe there is never any sufficient proof for any religion or anything outside of our empiricism (please dont get hung up on that, lets not go there)... anyway religion REQUIRES faith, period. Admit it, and I mean faith is in essence around our lives all the time... its just most funny when some need to get faithful about that most ultimate mystery, though there it functions as feigning comprehension through that wonderful thing faith.
Though I like the jews better, at least they were down with yahweh without talking up heaven and hell as real concepts. Fucking nirvana, heaven, hell - all are parts of our language and they stem from our place here but try to attempt to explain a reality that works on opposite sides of our socalled spectrum of ideals - but if you think about it they all are nonsensical or at the least heaven in particular sounds retarded. But damn yeah I am not prepared to go on and on with that point right now though I could, but I am not sure yall wanna keep reading
these are not shit videos
I'm not hunting down all the information(and I have done a lot of my own research verifying what is said)
but I'm not wasting my time with that if your not gonna look at it or accept it anyways
if you wanna know your gonna have to do something yourself
I'm not here to hold hands
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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Its not about avoiding it, its just impossible to proove, end of.
Well actually its not impossible, you can experience it, but thats not 'objective' evidence
Asking for objective evidence of God is like trying to bite your own teeth
Its like saying 'can i please see awareness?' you can never see it in the conventional sense, its a non phenomenal seeing, an intuitive seeing, hence all the religions indirectly saying 'look within'
Its not seeing an object, what 'God' is, is not an object
Same with Santa.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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if you provided valid movies I would watch them and comment on them
Then how about replying to my valid question. What compelling evidence can you prove that a god exists?
what your asking is far too complex to be answered in any short amount of time
I would have to literally spend days of research putting it all together
I"m not doing that for you
the truth is out there
so either look for it or you don't really wanna know whats true
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Its not about avoiding it, its just impossible to proove, end of.
Well actually its not impossible, you can experience it, but thats not 'objective' evidence
Asking for objective evidence of God is like trying to bite your own teeth
Its like saying 'can i please see awareness?' you can never see it in the conventional sense, its a non phenomenal seeing, an intuitive seeing, hence all the religions indirectly saying 'look within'
Its not seeing an object, what 'God' is, is not an object
Same with Santa.
nope we have evidence that Santa and the tooth fairy are not real
but nice try
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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I'll put together a presentation for you if your willing to put together comprehensive evidence for why Atheism is true
wait no
no I won't
don't have the patience
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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if you provided valid movies I would watch them and comment on them
Then how about replying to my valid question. What compelling evidence can you prove that a god exists?
what your asking is far too complex to be answered in any short amount of time
I would have to literally spend days of research putting it all together
I"m not doing that for you
the truth is out there
so either look for it or you don't really wanna know whats true
Thanks for saying all this.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Its not about avoiding it, its just impossible to proove, end of.
Well actually its not impossible, you can experience it, but thats not 'objective' evidence
Asking for objective evidence of God is like trying to bite your own teeth
Its like saying 'can i please see awareness?' you can never see it in the conventional sense, its a non phenomenal seeing, an intuitive seeing, hence all the religions indirectly saying 'look within'
Its not seeing an object, what 'God' is, is not an object
Same with Santa.
Seeing santa is seeing a tangible object, pictures of santa, meeting him at the mall etc...
Experiencing God is experieincing intangibility, awareness, emptiness
Theres no proof for emptiness/awareness as its nothing, eternal spirit
TBH its common sense, people who fail to see this fail to use their intellect to its full capacity, they fail to discriminate eternal reality from transient reality, theyre hypnotized by all the pretty objects they see & cant see through them.
They ask for objective proof of something that is not an object.
Im being harsh today, its necessary
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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I'll put together a presentation for you if your willing to put together comprehensive evidence for why Atheism is true
wait no
no I won't
don't have the patience
If you are addressing me I don't believe in atheism. I'm agnostic. Why should I defend and prove something (atheism) I don't believe?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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if you can't be bothered to watch a video your not seeking truth
lol @ your methodology towards "truth"
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if you provided valid movies I would watch them and comment on them
Then how about replying to my valid question. What compelling evidence can you prove that a god exists?
what your asking is far too complex to be answered in any short amount of time
I would have to literally spend days of research putting it all together
I"m not doing that for you
the truth is out there
so either look for it or you don't really wanna know whats true
No the truth is out there if you are looking for something.
I have long given up on looking for anything to supply a substantial reasoning for belief in dogma. It all requires faith, PERIOD.
Have some smart folks fallen back on faith, yeah, but I respect the ones that call it as such... they have faith - they know there is nothing compelling out there, apologetics are full of bullshit.
The best reply of believers I have seen is in the more absurdist and existential ones (ie K and Dosto) saying well shit existence is so damn absurd already maybe jesus was really right and maybe there is a goal - ill just blindly put faith in it and I might not even be sure why...
You, you just post youtube bullshit of other peoples efforts towards so called apologetics but maintain you have to research and shit... fuck that dude it should be right there ready to pop out of your brain if its any decent line of evidence/reasoning.
Funny position we are in, both parties are talking to the wind... the faithful are faithful so they already have that cognitive block to certainty destroying doubt, methinks one could psychologically attribute this to a strong force of despair at work - and I can respect that to an extent.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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I think of it as the point where divine spiritual communication became physical
a physical guiding point working along side the Spirit
So it (God) is like something of the mind becoming represented materially?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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I can give you this evidence for God:
Other support for creatio ex nihilo belief comes from the idea that something cannot arise from nothing; that would involve a contradiction (compare ex nihilo nihil fit). Therefore something must always have existed. But (this account continues) it is scientifically impossible for matter to always have existed. Moreover, matter is contingent: it is not logically impossible for it not to exist, and nothing else depends on it. Hence one deduces a Creator, non-contingent and not composed of matter: God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo
you cannot logically explain existence without the existence of something existing outside of what we know to be reality
0 + 0 always = 0
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397300 - 11/06/09 01:22 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd like a logical solution for this problem
if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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Chronic777 said:
Its not about avoiding it, its just impossible to proove, end of.
Well actually its not impossible, you can experience it, but thats not 'objective' evidence
Asking for objective evidence of God is like trying to bite your own teeth
Its like saying 'can i please see awareness?' you can never see it in the conventional sense, its a non phenomenal seeing, an intuitive seeing, hence all the religions indirectly saying 'look within'
Its not seeing an object, what 'God' is, is not an object
Same with Santa.
Seeing santa is seeing a tangible object, pictures of santa, meeting him at the mall etc...
Experiencing God is experieincing intangibility, awareness, emptiness
Theres no proof for emptiness/awareness as its nothing, eternal spirit
TBH its common sense, people who fail to see this fail to use their intellect to its full capacity, they fail to discriminate eternal reality from transient reality, theyre hypnotized by all the pretty objects they see & cant see through them.
They ask for objective proof of something that is not an object.
Im being harsh today, its necessary
I attempted to verify god subjectively and still found no evidence.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: andrewss]
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if you can't be bothered to watch a video your not seeking truth
lol @ your methodology towards "truth"
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Icelander said:
if you provided valid movies I would watch them and comment on them
Then how about replying to my valid question. What compelling evidence can you prove that a god exists?
what your asking is far too complex to be answered in any short amount of time
I would have to literally spend days of research putting it all together
I"m not doing that for you
the truth is out there
so either look for it or you don't really wanna know whats true
No the truth is out there if you are looking for something.
I have long given up on looking for anything to supply a substantial reasoning for belief in dogma. It all requires faith, PERIOD.
Have some smart folks fallen back on faith, yeah, but I respect the ones that call it as such... they have faith - they know there is nothing compelling out there, apologetics are full of bullshit.
The best reply of believers I have seen is in the more absurdist and existential ones (ie K and Dosto) saying well shit existence is so damn absurd already maybe jesus was really right and maybe there is a goal - ill just blindly put faith in it and I might not even be sure why...
You, you just post youtube bullshit of other peoples efforts towards so called apologetics but maintain you have to research and shit... fuck that dude it should be right there ready to pop out of your brain if its any decent line of evidence/reasoning.
Funny position we are in, both parties are talking to the wind... the faithful are faithful so they already have that cognitive block to certainty destroying doubt, methinks one could psychologically attribute this to a strong force of despair at work - and I can respect that to an extent.
you assume I am simply trying to verify what I actually believe to be true
you know nothing of how I research or the checks I have in place to keep me from believing something simply because I want it to be true
you are making assumptions
which is typical within this discussion
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397313 - 11/06/09 01:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can give you this evidence for God:
Other support for creatio ex nihilo belief comes from the idea that something cannot arise from nothing; that would involve a contradiction (compare ex nihilo nihil fit). Therefore something must always have existed. But (this account continues) it is scientifically impossible for matter to always have existed. Moreover, matter is contingent: it is not logically impossible for it not to exist, and nothing else depends on it. Hence one deduces a Creator, non-contingent and not composed of matter: God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo
you cannot logically explain existence without the existence of something existing outside of what we know to be reality
0 + 0 always = 0
thats pretty good actually
(why post youtube links!? this is much better)
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397325 - 11/06/09 01:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can give you this evidence for God:
Other support for creatio ex nihilo belief comes from the idea that something cannot arise from nothing; that would involve a contradiction (compare ex nihilo nihil fit). Therefore something must always have existed. But (this account continues) it is scientifically impossible for matter to always have existed. Moreover, matter is contingent: it is not logically impossible for it not to exist, and nothing else depends on it. Hence one deduces a Creator, non-contingent and not composed of matter: God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo
you cannot logically explain existence without the existence of something existing outside of what we know to be reality
0 + 0 always = 0
WHOA now dude, I never was talking about there being no possiblility of something of the universe conforming somewhat to the conglomorate of ideas god brings up in the human brain.
I am quite partial to Spinoza's Ethics, he gets into that reasoning a lot dude - but nowhere does this then connect to.. oh well its the CHRISTIAN god - sorry.
Read Spinoza's Ethics if you are down with that line of reasoning... its quite good (particularly pt 1 & 2)
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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and furthermore I spend a considerable amount of time researching all of this(the actual facts not videos of the facts)
and its hard to call it all to my mind and remember exactly where I found so and so etc
its easier for me to present videos which I know to be accurate
many videos I present come complete with the same facts I would have to hunt down just so you can read it apposed to watching it
you can verify the facts for yourself if you question them
I don't really care at this point
you wanna be ignorant, be ignorant
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Life Upon Death said:
if you can't be bothered to watch a video your not seeking truth
lol @ your methodology towards "truth"
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Life Upon Death said:
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Icelander said:
if you provided valid movies I would watch them and comment on them
Then how about replying to my valid question. What compelling evidence can you prove that a god exists?
what your asking is far too complex to be answered in any short amount of time
I would have to literally spend days of research putting it all together
I"m not doing that for you
the truth is out there
so either look for it or you don't really wanna know whats true
No the truth is out there if you are looking for something.
I have long given up on looking for anything to supply a substantial reasoning for belief in dogma. It all requires faith, PERIOD.
Have some smart folks fallen back on faith, yeah, but I respect the ones that call it as such... they have faith - they know there is nothing compelling out there, apologetics are full of bullshit.
The best reply of believers I have seen is in the more absurdist and existential ones (ie K and Dosto) saying well shit existence is so damn absurd already maybe jesus was really right and maybe there is a goal - ill just blindly put faith in it and I might not even be sure why...
You, you just post youtube bullshit of other peoples efforts towards so called apologetics but maintain you have to research and shit... fuck that dude it should be right there ready to pop out of your brain if its any decent line of evidence/reasoning.
Funny position we are in, both parties are talking to the wind... the faithful are faithful so they already have that cognitive block to certainty destroying doubt, methinks one could psychologically attribute this to a strong force of despair at work - and I can respect that to an extent.
you assume I am simply trying to verify what I actually believe to be true
you know nothing of how I research or the checks I have in place to keep me from believing something simply because I want it to be true
you are making assumptions
which is typical within this discussion
well then help us out, I know I am assuming things - this is an internet discussion and you have put a lot out there and we are debating, dont whine...
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397350 - 11/06/09 01:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I can give you this evidence for God:
Other support for creatio ex nihilo belief comes from the idea that something cannot arise from nothing; that would involve a contradiction (compare ex nihilo nihil fit). Therefore something must always have existed. But (this account continues) it is scientifically impossible for matter to always have existed. Moreover, matter is contingent: it is not logically impossible for it not to exist, and nothing else depends on it. Hence one deduces a Creator, non-contingent and not composed of matter: God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo
you cannot logically explain existence without the existence of something existing outside of what we know to be reality
0 + 0 always = 0
Purely logically speaking there is no valid basis for something to exist on its own. All things exist in interdependently. Also since these things can therefore not be non-existent either, there is no valid basis for nothing to exist at all.
This view avoids the need for an existence of something existing outside of what we know to be reality
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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and furthermore I spend a considerable amount of time researching all of this(the actual facts not videos of the facts)
and its hard to call it all to my mind and remember exactly where I found so and so etc
its easier for me to present videos which I know to be accurate
many videos I present come complete with the same facts I would have to hunt down just so you can read it apposed to watching it
you can verify the facts for yourself if you question them
I don't really care at this point
you wanna be ignorant, be ignorant
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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Life Upon Death said:
I can give you this evidence for God:
Other support for creatio ex nihilo belief comes from the idea that something cannot arise from nothing; that would involve a contradiction (compare ex nihilo nihil fit). Therefore something must always have existed. But (this account continues) it is scientifically impossible for matter to always have existed. Moreover, matter is contingent: it is not logically impossible for it not to exist, and nothing else depends on it. Hence one deduces a Creator, non-contingent and not composed of matter: God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo
you cannot logically explain existence without the existence of something existing outside of what we know to be reality
0 + 0 always = 0
OK here's something I can work with. I'm going to address it best I can but need a little time to think about it cause I ain't that bright.
In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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I'd like a logical solution for this problem
if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God
Wikipedia has a whole section of evidence against this. You should read the whole page.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Its not about avoiding it, its just impossible to proove, end of.
Well actually its not impossible, you can experience it, but thats not 'objective' evidence
Asking for objective evidence of God is like trying to bite your own teeth
Its like saying 'can i please see awareness?' you can never see it in the conventional sense, its a non phenomenal seeing, an intuitive seeing, hence all the religions indirectly saying 'look within'
Its not seeing an object, what 'God' is, is not an object
Same with Santa.
Seeing santa is seeing a tangible object, pictures of santa, meeting him at the mall etc...
Experiencing God is experieincing intangibility, awareness, emptiness
Theres no proof for emptiness/awareness as its nothing, eternal spirit
TBH its common sense, people who fail to see this fail to use their intellect to its full capacity, they fail to discriminate eternal reality from transient reality, theyre hypnotized by all the pretty objects they see & cant see through them.
They ask for objective proof of something that is not an object.
Im being harsh today, its necessary
I attempted to verify god subjectively and still found no evidence.
Perhaps when you had that blissfull experience when you asked the universe for 'full awareness of your life' (a thread a while back) you were probably experiencing the eternal spirit aka God
I feel that if one honestly asks the universe to reveal itself, it will happen
It may not be instantanious, but it will happen, there just has to be openness, honesty & an extreme thirst for discovery, which you obviously do have to an extent...
Im not gonna say you didn't try hard enough because it becomes effortless really
You are God, so id say forget about God, realize who you are, realzing God comes secondary to Self realization...
The word God is way too cliche really...its just a turn off
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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OK here's something I can work with. I'm going to address it best I can but need a little time to think about it cause I ain't that bright.
In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?
well as I showed you earlier(if you had watched it) Muhammad's revelations were more synomonmous with a demon possession(or encounter) then a revelation from God's messenger
the Gabriel from the Old testament(and new) is a gentle being while the being Mohammad encountered tortured him and tried to force him to read even though he was not capable
he was so humilated
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?
Your adressing someone else, but in my experience of God-realization its experiencing the same thing all the religions talk about, love, bliss, light, awareness, formlessness, etc...
To say theres more than one God is to say theres more than one ultimate reality
If someone says 'the christian God is real, Allah is fake' they have not realized God!
They are a fundmentalist christian, attached to a beleif system
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
#11397413 - 11/06/09 01:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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you were probably experiencing
Or one could say with the same clarity that it was probably something else
I don't worry much about god as I've spent plenty of time exploring that subject and have concluded that it's something I cannot know at this time.
My point in this thread actually has been that to claim there is a god is just the same as claiming there isn't one without some compelling evidence (notice I didn't say objective). So when folk come and give me bible verses or say some of the things you say I can't take it seriously. I'm not saying you're not right. Hell, maybe Fivepointer is right. I just have no compelling evidence and so debating it is kind of pointless. I still try occasionally however just to see if there has been any progress.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Band of Gypsys]
#11397414 - 11/06/09 01:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd like a logical solution for this problem
if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God
Wikipedia has a whole section of evidence against this. You should read the whole page.
I have read the whole page(which is why I provided the link, so you could check it for yourself)
I don't believe what is stated in other areas and I don't care what others have thought
I would like a logical explanation for our existence without the existence of an Eternal being not composed of matter
that page does not supply this
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?
Your adressing someone else, but in my experience of God-realization its experiencing the same thing all the religions talk about, love, bliss, light, awareness, formlessness, etc...
To say theres more than one God is to say theres more than one ultimate reality
If someone says 'the christian God is real, Allah is fake' they have not realized God!
They are a fundmentalist christian, attached to a beleif system
Well christians say that if you don't believe in what their god says you are sent to hell to burn for eternity by an all loving god. What do you have to say to that?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397458 - 11/06/09 01:44 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it possible that religions are a symbolic representation of the reality realised by non-religious people?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
#11397462 - 11/06/09 01:45 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I dont think there will be much progress in this area, apart from personal progress
Its certainly objectively unproovable
Of course we could say - well its just subjective then, its not real for everyone, its just imaginary.
There have been many many sages who indirectly all say the same thing through having the same exact subjective experience
Can subjective experience ever be exactly the same?
As i see, bliss is bliss is bliss, no matter who experiences it 
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Ahimsa]
#11397487 - 11/06/09 01:48 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it possible that religions are a symbolic representation of the reality realised by non-religious people?
well too a certain extent
it also works the opposite way
reality as realized by man scientifically is metaphorical of Spiritual truth's(a black hole for example)
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?
Your adressing someone else, but in my experience of God-realization its experiencing the same thing all the religions talk about, love, bliss, light, awareness, formlessness, etc...
To say theres more than one God is to say theres more than one ultimate reality
If someone says 'the christian God is real, Allah is fake' they have not realized God!
They are a fundmentalist christian, attached to a beleif system
Well christians say that if you don't believe in what their god says you are sent to hell to burn for eternity by an all loving god. What do you have to say to that?
They are full of shit!
God did not say these things through Sages like Jesus, people say these things to try & control each other...
The Sages followed no religion, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Lao Tzu, they all rebelled against the dogmatic religions of their time
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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so are you saying if you believe in god you experience bliss. Cause I must have done something wrong. I was a christian for many years and then tried buddhist meditation.
I did however experience bliss many times with psychedelics and especially XTC.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397513 - 11/06/09 01:51 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it possible that religions are a symbolic representation of the reality realised by non-religious people?
well too a certain extent
it also works the opposite way
reality as realized by man scientifically is metaphorical of Spiritual truth's(a black hole for example)
If that is so then perhaps mind is the metaphor for God.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?
Your adressing someone else, but in my experience of God-realization its experiencing the same thing all the religions talk about, love, bliss, light, awareness, formlessness, etc...
To say theres more than one God is to say theres more than one ultimate reality
If someone says 'the christian God is real, Allah is fake' they have not realized God!
They are a fundmentalist christian, attached to a beleif system
Well christians say that if you don't believe in what their god says you are sent to hell to burn for eternity by an all loving god. What do you have to say to that?
They are full of shit!
God did not say these things through Sages like Jesus, people say these things to try & control each other...
The Sages followed no religion, Jesus, Buddha, Mohammed, Lao Tzu, they all rebelled against the dogmatic religions of their time
How do I know that? LifeuponDeath might be right. You would also be going to hell.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
#11397526 - 11/06/09 01:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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god damn god
threads like these make me go 
fivepointer's threads are more entertaining
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397538 - 11/06/09 01:54 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I'd also like to know why we have no fossil evidence of trilobites before they were fully formed with complexity's
trilobites provide some of the most extensive fossil evidence we have apparently and yet there is no evidence of a transitional species
why?
I would check out this book: "Not by Chance: Shattering the modern theory of evolution"
I haven't had a chance to read it yet but its been well received within the scientific community
its a very precise mathematical breakdown for why the theory breaks down apparently:
"Each new revelation in genetic research, no matter how bizarre and unforeseen, can be construed as a ringing confirmation of the theory of evolution, or so evolutionary biologists would have us believe. With this book, Dr. Lee Spetner risks the wrath of the evolution establishment by challenging the validity of the neo-Darwinian theory, or "dogma" as he calls it. Evolutionists assume that the observed ability of organisms like finches and bacteria to adapt to altered environments is clear proof of the NDT, which holds that random mutations in the DNA molecule are a prime factor in these adaptations. But this inference is negated by compelling new evidence at every level of biology according to Spetner, whose credentials include an MIT doctorate in physics, expertise in molecular biology, and published papers on biology in prestigious scientific journals. Numerous experiments are cited indicating many of these survival modifications are linked to a particular class of nonrandom mutations responding on cue to specific changes in the environment. A given external stimulus will trigger the same chain reaction of hormone-induced DNA mutations every time, yielding an identical adaptive response.
Spetner claims research findings like these which don't fit approved doctrine are simply ignored by evolutionary biologists. That charge is echoed with gusto by renowned biologist Lynn Margulis, who issues scathing denunciations of their obscurantist tactics in "Slanted Truths." She believes the "stranglehold" of the Darwinian "religious movement" can only be broken by a rational counter-force from outside the fold. Spetner's authoritative book is an ideal instrument for this deliverance. Critics of the NDT will savor the hard-science rigor of molecular arguments adduced against a theory they believe is largely based on speculative just-so stories.
In a historical overview, the author reminds us that when the so-called synthetic theory was first crafted fifty years ago, DNA had yet to be discovered. Darwin himself was blissfully ignorant of the functions and structure of the cell. We now know that mammals are composed of trillions of cells, each containing an information-packed DNA molecule and hundreds of interacting organelles. It is therefore not unreasonable to ask: What if Darwin's quaint theory were advanced today for the first time? The proposal that a clumsy hypothetical mechanism modeled on eighteenth century economic theories and pigeon breeding practices could possibly account for the origins of EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT in the incredibly complex universe of microbiology unfolding before our eyes would be laughable. The hodgepodge theory of evolution has become a religious faith so deeply ingrained in its adherents they appear oblivious to its absurdities. This book relates how stunning advances in biotechnology in just the past two decades have dramatically widened the gulf separating the realities of empirical science from the myths of neo-Darwinism.
A number of these myths are spun in "The Blind Watchmaker" by one of evolution's high priests, zoologist Richard Dawkins. Spetner searched this work for traces of solid science and found mainly false assumptions and technical inaccuracies instead. He notes that, "like many passionate believers, Dawkins did not examine his evidence critically." Indeed, his vaunted cumulative selection thesis is riddled with unfounded assumptions. He built his case for it entirely on the power of the concept, with not one word of proof. His biomorph and lexical computer simulations are demonstrated not to represent natural selection as his uncritical disciples may believe, only artificial selection, as in pigeon breeding.
The author's diversified background, which also includes lectureships in information theory and communication theory at Johns Hopkins University, enables him to speak expertly on a host of technical issues surrounding this subject. Laymen who've fallen behind the dazzling pace of microbiology will be intrigued by his lucid account of the counter-intuitive adaptive strategies in Nature's arsenal. The architecture and mechanisms of the DNA molecule are examined in depth, introducing lay readers to a host of basic concepts like introns, transitrons, point mutations, mutation rates, genetic information and heritable genetic switches. This potent brew is spiced with liberal doses of humorous asides and amusing anecdotes.
It should be noted that Spetner's work is narrowly focused on the purely secular, scientific aspects of his topic. It rarely strays into the domains of metaphysics or theology. Amazon reviewers of this book who parrot mindless shibboleths about creationism and gods of the gap as they did with Michael Behe's ground-breaking "Darwin's Black Box " will clearly establish they either didn't read the book or have been hopelessly brainwashed in orthodox biology classes.
To appreciate the extent of evolutionists' distortions in the classroom, one has only to browse through a current biology textbook after reading Spetner. To cite one case, he has found thousands of examples of convergence, or parallel evolution, buried in the literature, so one might assume they are a significant fact of biological life. He demonstrates mathematically the impossibly long odds against these uncanny near-identities of features in unrelated species, like wings in birds and bats, being evolved by any feat of natural selection. Evidently academic biologists prefer not to dispute this conclusion. A typical nationally distributed college text, "Biology " by N.A. Campbell, contains 1200 pages saturated with evolution mythology, but just one short paragraph on convergence. An equally inextricable companion phenomenon, mimicry, is completely ignored. Other slanted omissions and distortions abound.
Spetner's definitive treatise on what many consider an extremely important issue deserves a much wider audience than it presently commands. Whereas the shelf space afforded the evolutionist tomes of Dawkins and Steven J. Gould in the mega book stores Barnes & Noble and Borders is measured in linear feet, "Not by Chance" is nowhere in sight, not even in inventory. These giant outlets are rapidly driving out alternative book sellers. The inability of an author of Spetner's stature to address a substantial segment of the population that would be sympathetic to his message amounts to de facto censorship by a quasi-monopolistic distribution system. Although most of them will never have the opportunity, avid evolutionists would find this slender volume an eye-opening read. "
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Ahimsa]
#11397555 - 11/06/09 01:55 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is it possible that religions are a symbolic representation of the reality realised by non-religious people?
well too a certain extent
it also works the opposite way
reality as realized by man scientifically is metaphorical of Spiritual truth's(a black hole for example)
If that is so then perhaps mind is the metaphor for God.
I disagree with that
if anything we are a metaphor of the Spiritual battle happening in other realms
thats why the temple of God was to be modeled based on the heavenly design
it has an extremely beautiful intricate metaphorical meaning within its design
God also tells us what we bind on earth through Christ is bound in heaven
in other words everything that happens here is corresponding to something happening outside of time
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: deranger]
#11397562 - 11/06/09 01:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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god damn god
threads like these make me go
fivepointer's threads are more entertaining
He's a hoot too. Totally convinced he knows the real truth also.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?
Your adressing someone else, but in my experience of God-realization its experiencing the same thing all the religions talk about, love, bliss, light, awareness, formlessness, etc...
To say theres more than one God is to say theres more than one ultimate reality
If someone says 'the christian God is real, Allah is fake' they have not realized God!
They are a fundmentalist christian, attached to a beleif system
I agree completely with chronic. I have expiereinced what I assume Jesus ment by god. The thing about christianity is that the Gnostic teachings were removed from the bible in order to mske it into a tool of political control.
If you look at Nietzsche's quotes and Jesus's Gnostic quotes you can find similarties
"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good and evil"- Nietzsche
"It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather, the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it." - Jesus
Notice the similarities?
The abyss and the kingdom of heaven are the same thing. The difference between Nietzsche is that he realized that living in the abyss was probably not to healthy. He began calling himself the antichrist the same time others began calling him the little saint.
I also think Jesus got a few things wrong
It is true, there could be a metaphysical world; the absolute possibility of it is hardly to be disputed. We behold all things through the human head and cannot cut off this head; while the question nonetheless remains what of the world would still be there if one had cut it off. -- Nietzsche's Human, All Too Human
To find everything profound - that is an inconvenient trait. It makes one strain one's eyes all the time, and in the end one finds more than one might have wished. - Neitzche.
Thus you establish the over man. Abyss and self become one.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Realized]
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Interesting shit.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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I'd like a logical solution for this problem
if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God
Wikipedia has a whole section of evidence against this. You should read the whole page.
I have read the whole page(which is why I provided the link, so you could check it for yourself)
I don't believe what is stated in other areas and I don't care what others have thought
I would like a logical explanation for our existence without the existence of an Eternal being not composed of matter
that page does not supply this
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Sorry, Ive been listing to a lot of nine inch nails lately.... I had to do it.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Realized]
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god damn god
threads like these make me go
fivepointer's threads are more entertaining
He's a hoot too. Totally convinced he knows the real truth also.
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In the mean time. If said god exists how do you know it isn't a hindu god or the god of the koran? How would one know that the christian god is the only true god and that the bible is gods word?
Your adressing someone else, but in my experience of God-realization its experiencing the same thing all the religions talk about, love, bliss, light, awareness, formlessness, etc...
To say theres more than one God is to say theres more than one ultimate reality
If someone says 'the christian God is real, Allah is fake' they have not realized God!
They are a fundmentalist christian, attached to a beleif system
I agree completely with chronic. I have expiereinced what I assume Jesus ment by god. The thing about christianity is that the Gnostic teachings were removed from the bible in order to mske it into a tool of political control.
If you look at Nietzsche's quotes and Jesus's Gnostic quotes you can find similarties
"For all things have been baptized in the well of eternity and are beyond good and evil"- Nietzsche
"It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'Here it is' or 'There it is.' Rather, the Kingdom of the Father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it." - Jesus
Notice the similarities?
The abyss and the kingdom of heaven are the same thing. The difference between Nietzsche is that he realized that living in the abyss was probably not to healthy. He began calling himself the antichrist the same time others began calling him the little saint.
I also think Jesus got a few things wrong
It is true, there could be a metaphysical world; the absolute possibility of it is hardly to be disputed. We behold all things through the human head and cannot cut off this head; while the question nonetheless remains what of the world would still be there if one had cut it off. -- Nietzsche's Human, All Too Human
To find everything profound - that is an inconvenient trait. It makes one strain one's eyes all the time, and in the end one finds more than one might have wished. - Neitzche.
Thus you establish the over man. Abyss and self become one.
evidence that Gnostic books were removed? books were removed that shouldn't have been including the book of Enoch which is actually quoted in the new testament
there are also fake Gnostic texts that get lumped into the same category(Apocrypha)
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Realized]
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I'd like a logical solution for this problem
if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God
Wikipedia has a whole section of evidence against this. You should read the whole page.
I have read the whole page(which is why I provided the link, so you could check it for yourself)
I don't believe what is stated in other areas and I don't care what others have thought
I would like a logical explanation for our existence without the existence of an Eternal being not composed of matter
that page does not supply this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05srUPSMuZ4
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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so are you saying if you believe in god you experience bliss
If you realize God, you experience undiluted Bliss
If you beleive in God you mentally distance yourself from God
I have never beleived in any God
I find it slightly repulsive to merely beleive in a God, its blind faith
I feel its a direct experience that comes from investigating the ultimate nature of things
The nature of yourself, who you really are underneath all the veils...
Really 'God realization' is just seeing the universe is in everything
Prety obvious, but the simple things are the greatest, imo
We rarely find time to just rest with the simple things, like that we are the universe
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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Well i haven't realized god. no reason for belief.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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please show some compelling evidence of the existence of god.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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'You are the universe'
Do you find this agreeable or disagreeable?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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so are you saying if you believe in god you experience bliss
If you realize God, you experience undiluted Bliss
If you beleive in God you mentally distance yourself from God
I have never beleived in any God
I find it slightly repulsive to merely beleive in a God, its blind faith
I feel its a direct experience that comes from investigating the ultimate nature of things
The nature of yourself, who you really are underneath all the veils...
Really 'God realization' is just seeing the universe is in everything
Prety obvious, but the simple things are the greatest, imo
We rarely find time to just rest with the simple things, like that we are the universe
do you know what your avatar represents?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: LuSiD9]
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please show some compelling evidence of the existence of god.
Those don't taste as good as broccoli or cauliflower.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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'You are the universe'
Do you find this agreeable or disagreeable?
I don't know what the universe is so I'm neutral I guess. If the universe was insane...
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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I'd like a logical solution for this problem
if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God
Wikipedia has a whole section of evidence against this. You should read the whole page.
I have read the whole page(which is why I provided the link, so you could check it for yourself)
I don't believe what is stated in other areas and I don't care what others have thought
I would like a logical explanation for our existence without the existence of an Eternal being not composed of matter
that page does not supply this
The whole theory relies on science, that is a dead give away that it can't have anything to do with god. To say that science doesn't understand things means there must be a god is absurd. If god created man, what created god, well the only explanation would be another god created it. Leading to an infinite russian nesting doll made of tinier gods.
I do believe in a higher power sort of thing. You haven't proved there is a god. Once you you prove there is a god, you have to prove it is the christian god.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Whatever the universe is, it must be you aswell
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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please show some compelling evidence of the existence of god.
Those don't taste as good as broccoli or cauliflower.
you obviously have no idea what your talking about... do you
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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I agree but that doesn't mean I enjoy it or not.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: LuSiD9]
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please show some compelling evidence of the existence of god.
Those don't taste as good as broccoli or cauliflower.
you obviously have no idea what your talking about... do you
I worked produce for five years in the third (by sales per sq. ft) best natural food store in the US. Our produce section was amazing and huge. Nothing that wasn't organic and fresh. So I may know something.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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do you know what your avatar represents?
Yep
Funny how the pictures youve posted show a different symbol
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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I'd like a logical solution for this problem
if not then it stands as logical evidence for the existence of God
Wikipedia has a whole section of evidence against this. You should read the whole page.
I have read the whole page(which is why I provided the link, so you could check it for yourself)
I don't believe what is stated in other areas and I don't care what others have thought
I would like a logical explanation for our existence without the existence of an Eternal being not composed of matter
that page does not supply this
The whole theory relies on science, that is a dead give away that it can't have anything to do with god. To say that science doesn't understand things means there must be a god is absurd. If god created man, what created god, well the only explanation would be another god created it. Leading to an infinite russian nesting doll made of tinier gods.
I do believe in a higher power sort of thing. You haven't proved there is a god. Once you you prove there is a god, you have to prove it is the christian god.
you know even scientists disagree all the time in their interpretations of evidence
if you don't wanna see the truth in something you won't
thats just all there is too it
I can't make anyone here believe if they don't want too
you are wrong in the your assumption that its a Russian nesting doll
when we say that something must always come from something else this is based on what we know within our reality
it does not account for a being which is truly eternal and dependent on nothing but itself
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
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do you know what your avatar represents?
Yep
Funny how the pictures youve posted show a different symbol
what do you think it means?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397781 - 11/06/09 02:24 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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This proves the pope is a suicide bomber.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: The Chronic]
#11397787 - 11/06/09 02:25 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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do you know what your avatar represents?
Yep
Funny how the pictures youve posted show a different symbol
not the original
I was letting you link to together
your symbol is representative of 666
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397798 - 11/06/09 02:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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do you know what your avatar represents?
Yep
Funny how the pictures youve posted show a different symbol
not the original
I was letting you link to together
your symbol is representative of 666
 
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397803 - 11/06/09 02:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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if you don't wanna see the truth in something you won't
thats just all there is too it
Are you immune to this? Do you not want to see the possibility that you are wrong?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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This proves the pope is a suicide bomber.
the pope is involved in this but what you posted is not the same symbol(though some believe the peace sign also has occult significance)
heres a real mano cornuta from the pope:
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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if you don't wanna see the truth in something you won't
thats just all there is too it
Are you immune to this? Do you not want to see the possibility that you are wrong?
I am capable being wrong concerning individual points and I'm also willing to admit when I am wrong
but I'm not wrong when it comes to Christianity
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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when we say that something must always come from something else this is based on what we know within our reality
it does not account for a being which is truly eternal and dependent on nothing but itself
Both the idea that something can come from nothing and the idea that something has existed forever are equally counter-intuitive. However, the latter explanation is more complex than the former in that it postulates one more unexplained theoretical entity. Therefore, applying Occam's Razor, it makes more pragmatic sense to believe that the Universe came from nothing without bringing in unprovable assumptions about metaphysical eternal beings.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11397811 - 11/06/09 02:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Why?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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What is it?
It has nothing to do with anything at all.
Yet without it not one thing would be.
It has no form of any sort whatsoever.
Yet all forms are derived by its functioning.
It always was and will be.
Yet it is impossible to point at it since it defies all defining.
It has no identity of itself.
Giving it a name would be confusing it for something else.
To think of it in any way possible or perceivable is to render it utterly useless.
And yet perception is one of its main expressions.
Even the very notion of it is a lie and utterly pointless.
Yet believing in nothing or something totally misses the point.
What is it?
(perhaps this should go under mysticism)
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: deCypher]
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when we say that something must always come from something else this is based on what we know within our reality
it does not account for a being which is truly eternal and dependent on nothing but itself
Both the idea that something can come from nothing and the idea that something has existed forever are equally counter-intuitive. However, the latter explanation is more complex than the former in that it postulates one more unexplained theoretical entity. Therefore, applying Occam's Razor, it makes more pragmatic sense to believe that the Universe came from nothing without bringing in unprovable assumptions about metaphysical eternal beings.
since my belief is supernatural its up to the person who claims that our existence and reality is all there is who is required to provide an explanation for how this is possible within the realm of science
I don't have to rely on science because my belief is that science as we know it is a creation and not ultimate reality
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Band of Gypsys]
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Why?
because I know its true
and the next person will say they know I'm wrong
but I promise you I know its true
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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but I promise you I know its true
Why didn't you lead with this? I am convinced. Stranger on internet promises it's true.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Why?
because I know its true
and the next person will say they know I'm wrong
but I promise you I know its true
We know you know that. But what you know is merely what you know; does that irritate you? What we do agree on is we all know that we all know one day we will die; and on that day each of us will have our faithful knowledge or lack thereof put to test. Though I suspect death will equalize everything and all we will fade out to know in those last moments of death are perhaps any deep psychological fancies that might flare up in the face of the ultimate judge.
You know shit about what will happen, you only think you know. Faith is an illusion of knowledge (theres a reason why we have the word!!!!!!) Nonetheless, congrats to you... I guess
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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These guys have some good stuff to say on it. They are Christian Gnostic's. When they are talking about blue and red they are talking about Ken Wilbers spiral dynamics theory. The church just has a lot of misunderstands due to their current level of understanding. I take all the spiritual talk with a grain of salt though. Belief in anything is a mistake but integral theory is also part of my philosophy.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Realized]
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but I promise you I know its true
Why didn't you lead with this? I am convinced. Stranger on internet promises it's true.
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These guys have some good stuff to say on it. They are Christian Gnostic's. When they are talking about blue and red they are talking about Ken Wilbers spiral dynamics theory. The church just has a lot of misunderstands due to their current level of understanding. I take all the spiritual talk with a grain of salt though. Belief in anything is a mistake but integral theory is also part of my philosophy.
I'm watching the video(didn't want you to think I'm responding without watching)
I agree about integral theory somewhat
my take on it is this
truth is necessary for deception
theres some depth to that statement but in this context what I mean is:
if you try and start a movement with nothing but bullshit its almost sure to fail
its necessary to try and connect with what people believe to be true and what they want to be true in order to be successful
but that doesn't necessarily mean the people who started it were attempting to deceive
but if you believe as I do that there are extra dimensional beings amongst us who are far beyond us intellectually
they know exactly what to say and when to say it in order that people may believe what is being said
and that often involves a significant amount of truth with just enough deception in strategic positions
so the fact that you can find some correlation between the different philosophies is no surprise and actually apart of the deception in itself
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Gnosticism (Greek: γνῶσις gnōsis, knowledge) refers to diverse, syncretistic religious movements in antiquity consisting of various belief systems generally united in the teaching that humans are divine souls trapped in a material world created by an imperfect god, the demiurge; this being is frequently identified with the Abrahamic god, (as opposed to the Gospel according to the Hebrews)
Gnosis means "spiritual knowledge" basically
they believe they know all(or at least more than you do)
as a Christian I do not believe I know anything but Christ Himself
in that I learn all other things
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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This proves the pope is a suicide bomber.
the pope is involved in this but what you posted is not the same symbol(though some believe the peace sign also has occult significance)
heres a real mano cornuta from the pope:
The bible is an occult text dude. Just because you think its special does not mean that it is excluded from the rule. People like us rule the world. That is why they all throw up the horns.. We are the elite.  You are lower down on the pyrmid. 
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Realized]
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This proves the pope is a suicide bomber.
the pope is involved in this but what you posted is not the same symbol(though some believe the peace sign also has occult significance)
heres a real mano cornuta from the pope:
The bible is an occult text dude. Just because you think its special does not mean that it is excluded from the rule. People like us rule the world. That is why they all throw up the horns.. We are the elite. You are lower down on the pyrmid.
your evidence for the bible being Occult?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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gods a dick for even making us if hes gonna revert to eternal bliss or torment as the possible outcomes after death all depending on whether or not we believe in jesus.
he must be frustrated as fuck... sexually?
he shoulda created an eternal hoe he could give it to whenever his shitty kids down on this rock fuck up
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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if you were Elite you wouldn't be so stupid btw
they don't take kindly to stupidity that gets in the way of their plans
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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This proves the pope is a suicide bomber.
the pope is involved in this but what you posted is not the same symbol(though some believe the peace sign also has occult significance)
heres a real mano cornuta from the pope:
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This proves the pope is a suicide bomber.
the pope is involved in this but what you posted is not the same symbol(though some believe the peace sign also has occult significance)
heres a real mano cornuta from the pope:
The bible is an occult text dude. Just because you think its special does not mean that it is excluded from the rule. People like us rule the world. That is why they all throw up the horns.. We are the elite. You are lower down on the pyrmid.
your evidence for the bible being Occult?
Occult - of or pertaining to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.
Bible - The Holy Book for Christians, also known as the Word of God. It contains scriptures which relate Jewish history and also the life of Christ and the works of his followers. Claims to be the word of God.
Stop reuing threds with your conspiricy shit. You don't belong in a philisophy dissusion. Go to above top secret or something.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
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I'd like to propose that believing that because a man named Jesus existed, that being proof that there is a god is akin to believing the presents under the christmas tree is proof of santa claus.
You get presents?
Big $$ checks from the family
Look, little children often believe in Santa. Sometimes they even say they saw (experienced) him. But adults say they just made that up because they want to believe. They're young and irrational and prone to fantasy. Well even some adults can be irrational and prone to fantasy.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Realized]
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Occult - of or pertaining to magic, astrology, or any system claiming use or knowledge of secret or supernatural powers or agencies.
Bible - The Holy Book for Christians, also known as the Word of God. It contains scriptures which relate Jewish history and also the life of Christ and the works of his followers. Claims to be the word of God.
Stop reuing threds with your conspiricy shit. You don't belong in a philisophy dissusion. Go to above top secret or something.
The word occult comes from the Latin word occultus (clandestine, hidden, secret), referring to "knowledge of the hidden".
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11398461 - 11/06/09 03:49 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Occult by defintion refers to secret organizations, hidden plans, and secret spiritual knowledge
The Secret Doctrine, the Synthesis of Science, Religion and Philosophy, a book originally published as two volumes in 1888, is Helena P. Blavatsky's magnum opus. The first volume is named Cosmogenesis, the second Anthropogenesis. It was an influential example of the revival of interest in esoteric and occult ideas in the modern age, in particular because of its claim to reconcile ancient eastern wisdom with modern science.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11398507 - 11/06/09 03:56 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Blavatsky claimed that its contents had been revealed to her by 'mahatmas' who had retained knowledge of mankind's spiritual history, knowledge that it was now possible, in part, to reveal.
'The Secret Doctrine' by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky "Lucifer represents..Life..Thought..Progress..Civilization..
Liberty..Independence..Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior." on pages 171, 225, 255 (Volume II)
"It is Satan who is the God of our planet and the only God." pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 533, (VI)
"The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity...but in antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is divine and terrestial Light, 'the Holy Ghost' and "Satan' at one and the same time." page 539 (Volume?)
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11398522 - 11/06/09 03:58 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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'The Secret Teaching Of All Ages' by Manly Palmer Hall 33° "I hereby promise the Great Spirit Lucifuge, Prince of Demons, that each year I will bring unto him a human soul to do with as as it may please him, and in return Lucifuge promises to bestow upon me the treasures of the earth and fulfil my every desire for the length of my natural life. If I fail to bring him each year the offering specified above, then my own soul shall be forfeit to him. Signed..... { Invocant signs pact with his own blood } " page CIV.
'The Book Of Black Magic' by Arthur Edward Waite 33° "First Conjuration Addressed to Emperor Lucifer. Emperor Lucifer, Master and Prince of Rebellious Spirits, I adjure thee to leave thine abode, in what-ever quarter of the world it may be situated and come hither to communicate with me. I command and I conjure thee in the Name of the Mighty Living God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost, to appear without noise and without ...." page 244.
Albert Pike 33°
"That which we must say to a crowd is - We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat it to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st, and 30th degrees - The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests, calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil." Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World, July 14, 1889. Recorded by A.C. De La Rive in La Femme et l'Enfant dans la FrancMaconnerie Universelle on page 588
Adonay is what the freemasons refer to the God of Christianity btw
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11398535 - 11/06/09 04:02 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
#11399703 - 11/06/09 06:53 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Life Upon Death said:
I can give you this evidence for God:
Other support for creatio ex nihilo belief comes from the idea that something cannot arise from nothing; that would involve a contradiction (compare ex nihilo nihil fit). Therefore something must always have existed. But (this account continues) it is scientifically impossible for matter to always have existed. Moreover, matter is contingent: it is not logically impossible for it not to exist, and nothing else depends on it. Hence one deduces a Creator, non-contingent and not composed of matter: God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo
you cannot logically explain existence without the existence of something existing outside of what we know to be reality
0 0 always = 0
How it is scientifically impossible for matter to have always existed. Matter is composed of vibrating energy, and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. By this law, it follows that energy has always existed, and always will exist. Matter is merely one manifestation of energy, and it exists because it can.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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I can give you this evidence for God:
Other support for creatio ex nihilo belief comes from the idea that something cannot arise from nothing; that would involve a contradiction (compare ex nihilo nihil fit). Therefore something must always have existed. But (this account continues) it is scientifically impossible for matter to always have existed. Moreover, matter is contingent: it is not logically impossible for it not to exist, and nothing else depends on it. Hence one deduces a Creator, non-contingent and not composed of matter: God.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_nihilo
you cannot logically explain existence without the existence of something existing outside of what we know to be reality
0 0 always = 0
How it is scientifically impossible for matter to have always existed. Matter is composed of vibrating energy, and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. By this law, it follows that energy has always existed, and always will exist. Matter is merely one manifestation of energy, and it exists because it can.
the universe is expanding and the amount of energy in the universe never changes thus its dissipating
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Don't think so. Energy is neither created or destroyed.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Don't think so. Energy is neither created or destroyed.
we don't create it and we can't willfully destroy it but that does not mean its not thinning out with an eventual end in sight
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Don't think so. Energy is neither created or destroyed.
we don't create it and we can't willfully destroy it but that does not mean its not thinning out with an eventual end in sight
huh? i dont think you understand.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: learningtofly]
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Don't think so. Energy is neither created or destroyed.
we don't create it and we can't willfully destroy it but that does not mean its not thinning out with an eventual end in sight
huh? i dont think you understand.
no you don't understand
the universe is expanding
yet the amount of energy in the universe never changes
meaning the energy is being thinned out amongst the new matter being created
the logical end to this is a moment where the universe expands to a point where all energy/matter simultaneously ceases to exist
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11400250 - 11/06/09 08:27 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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no.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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furthermore you have no way of proving physical energy has always existed
given that our universe is believed to have a beginning(big bang) its impossible for physical energy within this realm to have always existed
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: learningtofly]
#11400274 - 11/06/09 08:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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no.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11400289 - 11/06/09 08:33 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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furthermore you have no way of proving physical energy has always existed
probably cuz it hasn't
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given that our universe is believed to have a beginning(big bang) its impossible for physical energy within this realm to have always existed
no one said it has.
where do you get your info?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: learningtofly]
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furthermore you have no way of proving physical energy has always existed
probably cuz it hasn't
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given that our universe is believed to have a beginning(big bang) its impossible for physical energy within this realm to have always existed
no one said it has.
where do you get your info?
Icelander just said that it has no beginning or end(well he might have said cannot be created or destroyed but same shit)
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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pretty sure hawking showed that it could spontaneously arise.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: learningtofly]
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Energy cannot be created or destroyed in a closed system. It can change form however.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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Energy cannot be created or destroyed in a closed system. It can change form however.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_energy
the universe isn't closed though since its expanding
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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Do you think the universe is finite? 
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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besides just because energy is maintained in a closed system does not mean it did not have a beginning
the big bang is all the current energy within our universe being released from a singularity(very concentrated in the beginning)
it did not always exist in that state of "wholeness" obviously
it exploded outward and continues to explode to this day which if you think about it means that energy is dissipating
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtSt5XZ7fq4
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Poid]
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Do you think the universe is finite?
I do
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That might just make it a closed system.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
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...and you think it's "expanding"?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Poid]
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...and you think it's "expanding"?
science says it is
some even believe its speeding up(some believe this is an illusion and time is actually slowing down but I believe time is constant)
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
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That might just make it a closed system.
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...and you think it's "expanding"?
science says it is
Appeal to authority.
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some even believe its speeding up(some believe this is an illusion and time is actually slowing down but I believe time is constant)
If you believe the universe is finite, and you believe that it is expanding, then this means that you believe there is a such thing as "non-existence" (i.e.- non-universe); what do you suppose is on the other side of the boundaries of this expanding finite universe? 
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Poid]
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...and you think it's "expanding"?
science says it is
Appeal to authority.
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some even believe its speeding up(some believe this is an illusion and time is actually slowing down but I believe time is constant)
If you believe the universe is finite, and you believe that it is expanding, then this means that you believe there is a such thing as "non-existence" (i.e.- non-universe); what do you suppose is on the other side of the boundaries of this expanding finite universe?
metaphysics :P
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What kind of shit-for-brains answer is that? 
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Poid]
#11400459 - 11/06/09 09:16 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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What kind of shit-for-brains answer is that?
it means I don't know
I believe in God
I believe the epitome of all existence exists outside our reality
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11400470 - 11/06/09 09:17 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Life Upon Death said:
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Poid said:
What kind of shit-for-brains answer is that?
it means I don't know
Oh.
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Life Upon Death said:
I believe in God
WTF is "God"? 
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Life Upon Death said:
I believe the epitome of all existence exists outside our reality
Why?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11400490 - 11/06/09 09:21 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Gnosis means "spiritual knowledge" basically
no it doesn't
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: LuSiD9]
#11400504 - 11/06/09 09:23 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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LuSiD9 said:
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Life Upon Death said:
Gnosis means "spiritual knowledge" basically
no it doesn't
sorry I take that back... I'm used to the chaos magic definition... which is basically a trance state.
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Our laws make law impossible; our liberties destroy all freedom; our property is organized robbery; our morality an impudent hypocrisy; our wisdom is administered by inexperienced or mal-experienced dupes; our power wielded by cowards and weaklings; and our honour false in all its points. I am an enemy of the existing order for good reasons.
Nobel Prize genius Crick was high on LSD when he discovered the secret of life
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: LuSiD9]
#11400509 - 11/06/09 09:26 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't mess with chaos magick. It might dissipate all your energy. Then you would be destroyed.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
#11400513 - 11/06/09 09:28 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Don't mess with chaos magick. It might dissipate all your energy. Then you would be destroyed.
Mysticism & the Paranormal...
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Poid]
#11400515 - 11/06/09 09:29 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought that's what this forum was. It sure as fuck looks like it.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
#11400519 - 11/06/09 09:30 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
Don't mess with chaos magick. It might dissipate all your energy. Then you would be destroyed.
lol nice touch with the k
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
#11400526 - 11/06/09 09:31 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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I thought that's what this forum was. It sure as fuck looks like it.
Looks are deceiving. 
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Icelander]
#11400527 - 11/06/09 09:32 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
Don't mess with chaos magick. It might dissipate all your energy. Then you would be destroyed.
oh nooo'z
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Our laws make law impossible; our liberties destroy all freedom; our property is organized robbery; our morality an impudent hypocrisy; our wisdom is administered by inexperienced or mal-experienced dupes; our power wielded by cowards and weaklings; and our honour false in all its points. I am an enemy of the existing order for good reasons.
Nobel Prize genius Crick was high on LSD when he discovered the secret of life
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: LuSiD9]
#11400541 - 11/06/09 09:34 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: LuSiD9]
#11400544 - 11/06/09 09:35 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Course being a magician you could re create yerself.
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― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Poid]
#11400549 - 11/06/09 09:37 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Poid said:
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Icelander said:
I thought that's what this forum was. It sure as fuck looks like it.
Looks are deceiving.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11400556 - 11/06/09 09:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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One time I accidentally ordered a tranny from Craigslist. 
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Poid]
#11400558 - 11/06/09 09:39 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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One time I accidentally ordered a tranny from Craigslist.
how'd that work out for ya?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11400606 - 11/06/09 09:52 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kicked the bitch right out. I mean, I kicked the dude right out!
I totally ed at myself for weeks afterwords...
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Poid]
#11400653 - 11/06/09 10:04 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Kicked the bitch right out. I mean, I kicked the dude right out!
I totally ed at myself for weeks afterwords...
but how long till you figured out she was an outtie?
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Life Upon Death]
#11400659 - 11/06/09 10:05 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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Purty much right about the time it made it into my bedroom; I politely pointed the way out right away.
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: Poid]
#11400671 - 11/06/09 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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rofl craigslist
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Re: Just to get the fundy's out of my nihilism thread. [Re: learningtofly]
#11400679 - 11/06/09 10:08 PM (3 years, 6 months ago) |
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