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Quote: NoOpen said: Bizzle you may be the one fucked in the head you said and I quote "I'll be damned if my child is conceived to a mother who wants to be choked like the worthless bitch of an object she is" So you implied that any woman who wants to be choked is a worthless bitch/object
LOL. Man, I hope you never read the Bible.
seriously... seriously?
I attended a catholic school for 5 years...So either give me a factual reason I should never hypothetically read a bible or 1/10 Troll
because you seem to be taking what I say a bit too literally. The bible thing was a joke, about taking things literally. it has nothing to do with anything else, it has nothing to do with your personal character, which i know absolutely nothing about, and it is absolutely not
the point being, if you think that I am saying any woman who wants to be choked is a worthless bitch, you are misinterpreting me about as badly as people in the Crusades and the Salem witch hunts misinterpreted love for God
I just don't understand why everything has to be so literal and s-p-e-l-l-e-d- o-u-t in a community you would think was full of abstract and deep thinkers. Doesn't "duuuuuude" cover a million words sometimes? Just for clarification, what I actually WAS saying, is that
(ok, this is kinda hard, im getting sleepy and losing concentration, and somebody interrupted me when i had the thought i was gonna say, now i think i forgot)
Women who have been sexually abused and traumatized often view themselves as what they have been treated as: worthless sex objects. People often grow to fit the cage that's placed around them, so if since childhood you are treated like crap, like your body is just a plaything for others, etc, you might not have the most self-esteem and self respect, and if some old man wants to stick his hand down your pants, you might let him, since that's what you're supposed to do, is let him. (that they are actually beautiful individuals who DONT HAVE to give their body to whoever pressures them into it is something they actually have to LEARN; it does not occur to them that they do not have to submit anymore, once the period of trauma is over, if that is what they are used to)
so, they take this attitude of worthlessness, and think something along the lines of "Fine, I'm going to make the most of it"
meaning that if you rape them: No, they don't like it, but since it is NORMAL to them (it has happened several times before), they are like fuck it, submit, and they will close their eyes and imagine they're getting dick from Prince Charming
So then, along the course of their life, somehow they come to be attracted to "bad boys".... another subject entirely but not surprising considering many factors these "bad boys" are often womanizing. They want to fuck more girls than just this one. They don't REALLY give a shit about this girl, and often treat them like shit. The girl just puts up with it because that is how things are. Guys are like that, girls get treated like that -- Make the most of it.
So, everybody is pretty rotten and that's just how things are. The world is a pretty filthy place.
So then you get people SO disconnected from what they really are, and how things really are, that they develop weird fetishes and obsessions, just like various other types of neuroses (murder?). Turn pain into pleasure.
Cut me, bleed me, choke me, fuck me. MAKE ME FREE
that's what it really is: Make me free
Free me from this rotten fucking existence. Dope me up, I don't want to feel any emotion whatsoever. Go ahead, fuck me, I don't care...in fact, fuck me harder....fuck me as hard as you can, I wanna enjoy it too (whoever it is that you are, it doesn't really matter).
In a way it's kinda like they are looking for an ego-death, too. At some point, there is no "them", no rotten asshole treating them like shit, they are in total submission, and there is only blackness and joy, a bit of a connection to the natural state of male and female sexual lust and unity. But there is definitely no unity here; total and complete isolation. They have not let their ego die to merge with the universe, even though secretly I strongly believe that is what they are after, without knowing it, Just like all people are after it in their own ways without knowing it. Instead, they have only merged with the greatest of what they think is out there. They have let just enough of them die, to allow them to get pleasure from whatever fucked up thing is going on.
Kinda like how often it's the most intense suffering that brings about the greatest enlightenment... yeah, except that this kind of release doesn't get you THAT high, it only cancels out SOME of the pain.
It gets much worse when they are so traumatized, that even with a decent person, they seek that same sensation of freedom by re-enacting what pains them so much, to try to turn it into a good thing.
PLEASE, DO NOT GET ME WRONG
that doesn't mean that every "rape fantasy" entails all this. Shit, even I have a rape fantasy--- hell yeah I want some [hot] woman to rape me. And I can understand how a woman would be turned on by some strong man dominating her, but hopefully that strong man would be somebody she actually trusts or at least respects somehow.
It's all innocent, and in good fun. There's nothing wrong with wanting to revert to primordial lust with your partner. Maybe even with somebody you don't know well enough to say you trust or not
fuck, some people just want it ROUGH, and there's nothing more to it than that, and that is just fine. To some girls, "daddy" is just a cute nickname, and doesn't mean they are fantasizing about their step-daddy raping them.
but be aware, a lot of times, a subtle neuroses is just that, a subtle incarnation of a neuroses, and I have seen them in EXTREMES. I have tons of experience with extremes...lv.1 drug addict cannot fool me with a seemingly innocent and believable lie because i've seen that same thought process exaggerated a thousand fold. So all I'm getting at with that is, try to make the distinction between a girl who likes it kinky, and a girl who is straight fucked in the head
Quote: Bizzle you may be the one fucked in the head you said and I quote "I'll be damned if my child is conceived to a mother who wants to be choked like the worthless bitch of an object she is" So you implied that any woman who wants to be choked is a worthless bitch/object
No, I do not want my child conceived to a mother who thinks she is a worthless bitch. And why? well, besides the [hopefully] obvious, I don't want a child to a woman who doesn't respect herself. People who don't respect themselves are wreckless, and unaware of the world they are in. These are the people that end up with 3 kids they can't take care of, STDs, etc. That is not taking responsibility for being a human being, and that is the ONLY thing there is to be serious about. But that is just me, personally, saying I don't want a kid to whatever, my business, who cares... But here's the killer, when you mess around with these wreckless insecure women, you don't always CHOOSE for something unfortunate to happen. Casual sex can easily turn into a lifetime of turmoil and hardship, but I suppose this is neither the time or place for that lecture
So, if I was in bed with some girl, and she asked me to choke her, how would I react? I'd probably go with most of the people in this thread's advice (and I'd actually probably tell myself 'phew at least she isnt asking me to punch her or cut her', as i've been asked to do before).
Would I lose respect for the girl? I'll venture to say there's a good chance I would not. People don't know how awesome things really get, so this new commonality of a choking fetish is not too abnormal, it's kinda just the state of the world/consciousness, and like those girls, I want to make the most of it too, so fuck it, I'll take what I can get (at least in this situation, I guess, I'm already in bed with her). I would say I'm also glad to make any girls fantasies come true, but not some of the ones I've been let it on, some of them seem just thoroughly unhealthy all around.
I'm not entirely sure what I'm getting at by all this, and I definitely don't have all the answers, but here are some [more] of my thoughts...
We live in a strange world, whose mysteries are vast...so vast, that our very own bodies are mysteries to us. We don't even know how to feel them, in light of what they are truly capable of. Some people need drugs (I would argue that some of these drugs are nature's design to take). Some people need to be punched. (to get their mojo going)
It's sort of the same thing as a writer's block. The good ideas might stop just coming to you...especially when you live in a very dull world, which the majority of people do. So you might try to force good ideas by sitting in some spot with a nice view. It may not be the ultimate source of inspiration, but it's the best wacky thing you can think of to come close. So all these ridiculous silly sex toys are like that as well, or I might almost say that they are almost like adding fancy font and pictures to the book...when you don't know how to actually increase the quality of the words in the book, you come up with all sorts of things to make it seem more exciting, especially when it's the same dull book you've been reading for ages
It's not that "I don't approve", it's that "you don't even have a clue how amazing it gets!" (not "you" as in anybody here)
If I were to compare sex to music, I'd say yeah, it's surely an amazing experience to go around jamming with various jam bands, or trying out different instruments, but ultimately, and I do mean ultimately, no casual jamming can compare to what is possible when you really work hard at putting your entire soul into the music (whether it be with one band or many), and that work includes finding that soul. And that's something no effects pedal can imitate.
I'm sorry, to be going on and on about my view of thangs, off-topic at that, probably... it's just that when a person doesn't respect themselves, it means they don't understand how precious and incredible they are, and that breaks my heart.
If there is ONE thing in this entire world that I am literally SERIOUS about, it is the fact that you (yes, YOU, not me) are NOT a miserable worthless pile of flesh, in fact you are far more beautiful and miraculous than you have been led to believe, and that goes for everybody. So my apologies to all the people who think I'm just a troll
What was the point of all this? fuck if I know, I can't even remember what sparked this chain of thoughts or what it was I was really trying to get at. I think there is a closing idea I am forgetting to include... So, in closing... No, NoOpen, that is not what I was implying.
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Choking is nothing. A little light choking is really enjoyable for some women. I don't get it... And as much as I like to "dominate" I prefer just tossing a girl around, smacking here ass, putting her in position etc.... I don't enjoy choking, or being choked, etc.
But it's pretty common. It's nothing a Psychology Prof would raise an eyebrow over.
while i agree that cutting would suggest some severe psychological trauma, i do not think that choking is on that same level. there is a huge difference. i'm not going to elaborate, i'm too high for that. so yeah. thanks for the summation, it helped a lot.
-------------------- -- Accept my heart warming gift of TREE SCRATCHIES!!! I absolve thee!! -- JaP: 30,000 lines of gay, cock, and fag can't be wrong
Ped: only in #shroomery is "smuggle opium in her ass" followed by "i don't want shitty opium" which is followed by " *** Joins: PENISSQUAD"
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JaP: What would this place be without random sluts?
JaP: Nothing, I tell you.
Quote: Psilocybeingzz said: Being hurt isn't being free brah. That's totally NOT headie. Ya dig?
that's kinda my point
notice at the end, I say how I'm serious about wanting people to understand that they are incredible, beautiful, miraculous, etc, and not worthless pieces of trash
Quote: Acidic_Sloth said: ahh, k.
while i agree that cutting would suggest some severe psychological trauma, i do not think that choking is on that same level. there is a huge difference. i'm not going to elaborate, i'm too high for that. so yeah. thanks for the summation, it helped a lot.
yeah, I covered that as well, there is definitely a difference, probably even a huge difference more often than not, but not always. but i elaborated on that a little too, I think. it kinda branched off...but I wouldn't have taken the time to write all that if I didn't think there wasnt SOMETHING for at least somebody to gain from it. lol...I'm not high enough to elaborate...I'll probably facepalm myself plenty tomorrow, but meh not really
Quote: Cut me, bleed me, choke me, fuck me. MAKE ME FREE
This quote makes me think you are into crazy kinky shit but then your last post makes me think your not. Me not understand.
that is because you should read the post it came from, if you can handle the length (edit: oh, i guess you did). Mostly addressed to those who were saying I am merely a troll, and the OP who told me to fuck off and gave me a terrible rating, when I never even meant anything towards him at all. I'm a feels good man, not a feels bad man http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11374537#11374537
i will have to read the whole thing later. i read some of it until i realized it was like half a novel's worth of words.
-------------------- -- Accept my heart warming gift of TREE SCRATCHIES!!! I absolve thee!! -- JaP: 30,000 lines of gay, cock, and fag can't be wrong
Ped: only in #shroomery is "smuggle opium in her ass" followed by "i don't want shitty opium" which is followed by " *** Joins: PENISSQUAD"
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JaP: What would this place be without random sluts?
JaP: Nothing, I tell you.
Quote: Psilocybeingzz said: Being hurt isn't being free brah. That's totally NOT headie. Ya dig?
that's kinda my point
notice at the end, I say how I'm serious about wanting people to understand that they are incredible, beautiful, miraculous, etc, and not worthless pieces of trash
I was joking around. That post, like many of my posts, have little or no meaning other then it amuses me and possibly on rare occasions amuses others.
Quote: Psilocybeingzz said: I was joking around. That post, like many of my posts, have little or no meaning other then it amuses me and possibly on rare occasions amuses others.
Quote: lukeboots said: I tend to end up w/ my hand wrapped around a girls neck when we're really going at it. I think its hot, I can't really help myself. Moderate pressure feels good for them (uh... I think), and chicks get off knowing you're raging like a beast, hah. I don't see the problem here, its barely even a kink.
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Quote: lukeboots said: And just like that, I am horny.
and once again, i'll follow that with a
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Something about having my hand around my partner's neck is very erotic.
But, it is a trust/comfort thing.
Seeing as though you knew this girl your whole life and this was the first time you were 'with' her..There's bound to be doubts and insecurities..Don't blame you for feeling weird about it.
Thinking about myself in the equivalent situation..yeah, it would be weird.
i've had girls put cigarettes out on my skin, i choke my current girlfriend near death... she scratches me until i am bleeding, and the blood gets all over both of us. sex is sensual, but it is also carnage. the duality of man.
LOL my girl loves this. She also likes when i hit her kinda not hard but a lil tap. Idk its what ever i dont find it weird im like what ever. I like rough sex and bondage, and for the dude above me i wouldnt like a girl to put cigs out on me id have to hit a hoe.
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I'd probably go with most of the people in this thread's advice (and I'd actually probably tell myself 'phew at least she isnt asking me to punch her or cut her', as i've been asked to do before). 
