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 Know by careful investigation only the Reality that is within your own Heart,
as your own nature
The answer to the question 'Who am I?' is only the silent wisdom that shines as 'I-I' in the Heart
Regard the question 'Who am I?' as the axe that cleanly severs the doubts that beset you now,
and that are bound to do so in the future
Do not perish amidst your troubles but recognize your target to be the truth of the Self that dwells as 'I' within your Heart,
hold to it & attain the Bliss of Consciousness
You must learn to realize the subject and object as one,
and in the meditating on an object, whether concrete or abstract,
you are destroying that sense of oneness, and creating duality.
Meditate only on the Self
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You are the Self now and can never be anything else.
Throw your worries to the wind, turn within, and find Peace.
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Once you know you are the self then it doesn't matter whether you turn in or out. Peace will be found. 
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“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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For some knowing it on an intellectual level is not enough.
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
    
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The Chronic
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For some knowing it on an intellectual level is not enough.
Not just for some, for all imo
Maybe it can be enough for a while...
Recently i like thinking of it in terms of death, as when everything is being stripped away out of your control all you can do is totally be you, there's no choice you can make about it... no escape tactic possible.
Although i can play devils advocate, or perhaps icelanders advocate, and say that even the thinking you can somehow go beyond death while still alive is an escape tactic from death through imagining some death experience & imagining seeing through to some 'otherside' of existence that transcends death, and i think that is also true on some level as the highest aspect of the Self is not trying to go beyond itself. All of its a dream.
There comes a point you have to TOTALLY let go & merge/yoga/unify/die, maybe that's just a dream too....
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Death is a non-issue.
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"Your salvation may lie in a rational apprehension of the present moment."
-Terence McKenna
she said there's good men
that there's God in everyone
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 funny sentence
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Icelander
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c0sm0nautt said:
For some knowing it on an intellectual level is not enough.
Who said anything about that?
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c0sm0nautt
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I was referring to the vast majority of people who come to these understandings, including myself.
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Icelander
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But what did it have to do with what I was saying?
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― Robert Anton Wilson
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c0sm0nautt
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"Once you know you are the self"
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
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Icelander
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and?
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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"Once you know you are the self"
How could I not be? 
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 Re: Ramana Maharshi  [Re: deCypher]
#13592797 - 12/06/10 10:22 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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you can't not be...it's just a question of where your attention abides
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: g00ru]
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One thing I have really enjoyed when using psychedelics is the huge appreciation and beauty of nature that I have been opened up to.
Even months after a trip, on a 'reflective' kind of day, I could still look around at the trees, the birds, and see that sparkle, feel that natural beauty.
This is pure love that exists all around and within.
Go for a walk, and breathe in the beauty that surrounds you. This is a good way to start practice opening up to what is... LOVE.
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Yeah the funny thing about the spiritual search, which Maharshi makes a point of actually, is that everyone knows the Self (or whatever it is) regardless of who they are or what they're doing. Merely they are pretending they don't know. Everyone knows they are acting, even in their deepest and most meaningful moments. But the actor is God and he is so good there's no room for complaints!
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Yeah, everybody's aware of the self, in one way or another. When I was younger sometimes I would stare in the mirror and just be mindblown..."wait, that's me?" And of course, the reason it seemed so weird is cause it isn't you at all, not in the actual sense.
Or, I've had conversations with some very smart people, along the lines of "you notice how sometimes, you're just walking around, and all of a sudden you realize oh shit i'm actually here doing this right now." Hard to convey in text but hopefully ya get what I'm saying.
Basically, everybody knows what they really are, at some level. Fascinatingly, most people never seem to consciously acknowledge it 
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: g00ru]
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Interesting discussion. The master's words serve as very nice sign posts to guide us, but the work is ours alone. I don't think the journey is a very complicated one, but it does cost you everything. Most of us fight to hold onto our identities, and the mind and the ego are very willing accomplices.
During a moment of clarity I observed the true nature of my ego. As I travel through my day, assorted 'drivers' take control of my bus. Each 'slice' of me is a compilation of learned responses. Should I get angry (or whatever) today, the corresponding ego personality springs into action, taking control of my body and mind. Those 'drivers' evolve over time, learning what works, and what doesn't, to help me cope with whatever circumstance that arises. But "I" know they are all false, that upon my death they will fall away. I suppose "enlightenment" is them falling away before death, but that's a silly, deceptive word, and should be forgotten.
There is a 'referee' in my head. 'He' scolds the other apparitions for living in the false. But they aren't easily dispatched; "why are you in charge?" they question him, and to that I have no answer. But I have noticed that 'they' slowly dissolve into nothingness as you stop conjuring them up.
In a curious, recent, development; I have stopped thinking. Nothing, blank, no words are rising in my mind. The 'default' option is now no-thinking, I have to force myself to start their flow. I told my daughter this just yesterday, and she questioned me as to why. "I do not trust my thoughts, so why have them?" I replied, but I can't help but wonder what effect this may have on me.
Sorry for intruding. Be well.
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Re: Ramana Maharshi [Re: Wynn]
#13670969 - 12/22/10 04:24 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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The disturbing agitation of mind that occurs when one attempts to get firmly established in meditation
is a normal occurrence that is prompted by the rising of past tendencies (vasanas)
If at that time you hold to the power of the Self that has brought your mind to meditate
the vasana that agigitates your mind & distresses it will be completely destroyed
Hold to the Self
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I have great love for Ramana.
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