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 Re: why dont you believe in god(s)?  [Re: Zeth]
#10587833 - 06/28/09 07:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Zeth said:
There's loads of evidence. Do some research. God is a paradox, by definition of our universe, impossible. The easiest way to solve a paradox is to conclude it doesn't exist.
Or to conclude that is DOES exist
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Geometry]
#10587840 - 06/28/09 07:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Geometry said:
Atoms are the smallest particle of matter � invisible
so you believe in the existence of something that's invisible?
that little experiment shows that matter can change, it doesnt
prove the existence of the atom, seems that god is still in the
lead because he's far to big to see, it makes him appear invisible
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10587844 - 06/28/09 08:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Geometry said:
science actually explains how the world works. religious texts give a great example of how the world should not work. (burning your wife or selling your daughter into slavery)
apparently you dont know how the world works because there's
lots of people burning their wives and selling their daughters,
and not all of them are christians, seems that 1 point for GOD
since the bible tells us how the world really works, not the
mechanics of it's workings
i nver claimed the bible explained how it does or doesnt work, i claimed it said how it shouldnt work.
and i agree, i dont know how the world works, but i think one day its something science will surmount, and religion will fail to do.
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10587845 - 06/28/09 08:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Geometry said:
Atoms are the smallest particle of matter � invisible
so you believe in the existence of something that's invisible?
that little experiment shows that matter can change, it doesnt
prove the existence of the atom, seems that god is still in the
lead because he's far to big to see, it makes him appear invisible
as long as there is empirical evidence for it, yes
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Geometry]
#10587850 - 06/28/09 08:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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lol geometry is getting schooled at this troll attempt.
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: truekimbo2]
#10587869 - 06/28/09 08:06 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said:
lol geometry is getting schooled at this troll attempt.
ya pigeon whole the topic by claiming im a troll. youre a fucking coward/ idiot with nothing useful to contribute. kill yourself.
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Geometry]
#10587885 - 06/28/09 08:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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it is a troll.
you think your mind isn't made up? you think anyone else's mind isn't made up?
this topic is lame lame lame. its like debating abortion.
i see no empirical evidence of anything other than lulz in this thread.
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: truekimbo2]
#10587900 - 06/28/09 08:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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So we can just disregard the agnostics and fence sitters? How nice of us.
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"Every atom in your body came from a star that exploded. And, the atoms in your left hand probably came from a different star than your right hand. It really is the most poetic thing I know about physics: You are all stardust. You couldn’t be here if stars hadn’t exploded, because the elements - the carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, iron, all the things that matter for evolution and for life - weren’t created at the beginning of time. They were created in the nuclear furnaces of stars, and the only way for them to get into your body is if those stars were kind enough to explode. So, forget God. The stars died so that you could be here today." ~Lawrence Krauss
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: truekimbo2]
#10587902 - 06/28/09 08:15 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said:
i see no empirical evidence of anything other than lulz in this thread.
try reading a science textbook. you will find plenty of stuff backed by empirical evidence.
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Geometry]
#10587923 - 06/28/09 08:19 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Geometry said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Geometry said:
Atoms are the smallest particle of matter � invisible
so you believe in the existence of something that's invisible?
that little experiment shows that matter can change, it doesnt
prove the existence of the atom, seems that god is still in the
lead because he's far to big to see, it makes him appear invisible
as long as there is empirical evidence for it, yes
empirical evidence for something that is invisible?
atheist like to believe that christians all believe that the
earth was created in only 6 days, well the bible being written
by men is just as fallible as the texts books, moses who wrote
about the creation of the earth said 'god spoke everything into
existence', maybe moses was in fact a visionary and those
'words' of god were the big bang but given the mentality and
linguistics of people 6000 years ago it was all he could do to
explain it as he did, what he 'saw' on Mount Sinai on his drug
induced visions were 600 billion years over the course of 6 days
along comes other men that interpret the work of man to be the
infallible word of god and they take those words literally and
manage to keep some people ignorant even to this day, if you
read the book of genesis, the creation of the earth somewhat
coincides with the earths development as per science, again,
we're dealing with simplistic writings from 6000 years ago in
which someone was trying to explain it to the ignorant uneducated people of his time
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rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: truekimbo2]
#10587934 - 06/28/09 08:22 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said:
i see no empirical evidence of anything other than lulz in this thread.
lots of lulz, both of you need to back up, we can keep this shit
light hearted and easily discussed or we can deal with it some les
desirable way
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Geometry]
#10587943 - 06/28/09 08:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Geometry said:
try reading a science textbook. you will find plenty of stuff backed by empirical evidence.
we know that there's 4 states of matter and that we can analize
many things, what science has yet to prove is the origins of life
and the origins of the universe, all we have are a nadful of
theories and models yet the foundations are built poorly and
people eat the shit up like it's some sort of proven fact
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10587944 - 06/28/09 08:24 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Geometry said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Geometry said:
Atoms are the smallest particle of matter � invisible
so you believe in the existence of something that's invisible?
that little experiment shows that matter can change, it doesnt
prove the existence of the atom, seems that god is still in the
lead because he's far to big to see, it makes him appear invisible
as long as there is empirical evidence for it, yes
empirical evidence for something that is invisible?
atheist like to believe that christians all believe that the
earth was created in only 6 days, well the bible being written
by men is just as fallible as the texts books, moses who wrote
about the creation of the earth said 'god spoke everything into
existence', maybe moses was in fact a visionary and those
'words' of god were the big bang but given the mentality and
linguistics of people 6000 years ago it was all he could do to
explain it as he did, what he 'saw' on Mount Sinai on his drug
induced visions were 600 billion years over the course of 6 days
along comes other men that interpret the work of man to be the
infallible word of god and they take those words literally and
manage to keep some people ignorant even to this day, if you
read the book of genesis, the creation of the earth somewhat
coincides with the earths development as per science, again,
we're dealing with simplistic writings from 6000 years ago in
which someone was trying to explain it to the ignorant uneducated people of his time
if the bible means whatever you interpret it to mean, then why do you even read it or take it seriously. it seems to me you pick an choose. like zeth mentioned. if got was all knowing and all powerful why wouldnt he write the facts, why would he leave anything up for interpretation?
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Geometry]
#10587967 - 06/28/09 08:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Geometry said:
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truekimbo2 said:
i see no empirical evidence of anything other than lulz in this thread.
try reading a science textbook. you will find plenty of stuff backed by empirical evidence.
lol! was reading a chemistry textbook right before checking on this thread again.
i wasn't mentioning empirical evidence to discredit it. i was using it because its fun to use other people's phrases twisted a little when i'm having a conversation with them
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: truekimbo2]
#10588031 - 06/28/09 08:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said:
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Geometry said:
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truekimbo2 said:
i see no empirical evidence of anything other than lulz in this thread.
try reading a science textbook. you will find plenty of stuff backed by empirical evidence.
lol! was reading a chemistry textbook right before checking on this thread again.
i wasn't mentioning empirical evidence to discredit it. i was using it because its fun to use other people's phrases twisted a little when i'm having a conversation with them
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truekimbo2 said:
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Geometry said:
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truekimbo2 said:
i see no empirical evidence of anything other than lulz in this thread.
try reading a science textbook. you will find plenty of stuff backed by empirical evidence.
lol! was reading a chemistry textbook right before checking on this thread again.
i wasn't mentioning empirical evidence to discredit it. i was using it because its fun to use other people's phrases twisted a little when i'm having a conversation with them
ya that sounds like a lot of fun!
i really thought thered be more atheists on this forum =\
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Geometry]
#10588074 - 06/28/09 08:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Geometry said:
if the bible means whatever you interpret it to mean, then why do you even read it or take it seriously. it seems to me you pick an choose.
like everything else in this world we pick and choose, we choose
to believe certain fallacies like that science gets it right
because there's checks and balances yet things get past and are
published and people believe it, at one time the earth was the
center of the universe and the earth was flat, science had
proven that and to argue with science was like slapping god in
the face... seems that hasnt changed much. research is often
guided for the outcomes that the financier is seeking
in modern science there's fraud and deceit, much like religion,
people want to pick and choose what they want to believe,
government give us a push in certain directions by blocking
research. huge corporations are splicing genes in plants and
claiming that it will end world hunger while all the evidence
shows that there's no additional production per plant and the
produce from the plants are proving to be harmful, maybe their
methods of ending hunger is to kill off the excess, just as
scientists developed so many other ways of destroying humanity
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like zeth mentioned. if got was all knowing and all powerful why wouldnt he write the facts, why would he leave anything up for interpretation?
faith, free will, the ability to question and doubt, the ability
to interpret a piece of work as you want, but since god didnt
write the bible it wasnt up to him as to what went in it
you obviously dont read the bible let me point out a few facts,
it was said that god created man in his own image, man was
capable of committing sin, so is god. man has a violent nature,
as the bible points out, so does god. god is a jealous deity,
just one of his many sins, he has a wrath like no other, capable
of genocide for simply not believing in him, it appears that god
was created to mirror mans image since the book was the bastard
child of many other bastard children
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: truekimbo2]
#10588092 - 06/28/09 08:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said:
lol! was reading a chemistry textbook right before checking on this thread again.
you're going to burn in hell heathen!
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: OogieBoogie]
#10588129 - 06/28/09 09:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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same reason why i don't believe in Santa,or the Easter bunny
QFT, to believe in such fairy tales and nonsense based on handed down stories and traditions that were used to manipulated the masses is utter nonsense.
To think for a second that people 2000 years+ depending on your faith were any more right about the significance, or lack there of in life is laughable at best.
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10588141 - 06/28/09 09:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can explain in less than 25 words why God does not exist.
Matter cannot be created or destroyed. Everything that exists(matter) cannot be created or destroyed and thus there is no need for a creator (god).
I can prove without any doubt that Matter(everything that exists, including this thought and the processes that reproduce life) cannot be created or destroyed, simply changed into another form.
My theory of why people still believe in GOD is because many of the culturally awkward and weird, misunderstood things in our world, are what religion gives one an outlet for. Many people still believe in GOD and will argue against someone to keep themselves out of the confusion of being gay/lesbian, for example. Something that regardless of whether people are religious or not, does not fit into our patriarchal competitive society. It is then a reason to simply not question something that is already conflicting to them and their relationships. Ironically, it is religious beliefs that have brought this emotional atmosphere.
I believe also that religion was put together with the intention of making us hyper social and easy to control. Imagine a group of mamals hyper sexual and primal, now with a repressed sexual desire and see how much conflict that brings amongst the same group of monkeys? Now ask yourself, is it easier to divide and conquer or bring together and conquer? This is what religion does to, it sets us at odds with each other. It makes us be hyper competitive, instead of express our emotions naturally. It jsut makes it easier for a group who psychologically was superior to us to control our actions.
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Re: why dont you believe in god(s)? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10588157 - 06/28/09 09:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Geometry said:
if the bible means whatever you interpret it to mean, then why do you even read it or take it seriously. it seems to me you pick an choose.
like everything else in this world we pick and choose, we choose
to believe certain fallacies like that science gets it right
because there's checks and balances yet things get past and are
published and people believe it, at one time the earth was the
center of the universe and the earth was flat, science had
proven that and to argue with science was like slapping god in
the face... seems that hasnt changed much. research is often
guided for the outcomes that the financier is seeking
in modern science there's fraud and deceit, much like religion,
people want to pick and choose what they want to believe,
government give us a push in certain directions by blocking
research. huge corporations are splicing genes in plants and
claiming that it will end world hunger while all the evidence
shows that there's no additional production per plant and the
produce from the plants are proving to be harmful, maybe their
methods of ending hunger is to kill off the excess, just as
scientists developed so many other ways of destroying humanity
this doesnt explain why we should pick and choose from a said "divine text inspired by a perfect deity"
sure science isnt always right, but like i said earlier it is willing to admit it is wrong when it is wrong. honesty is the backbone of empirical science.
picking and choosing begs the question : is this 2000 year old book of none sense necessary at all? Are we getting are morals from somewhere else?
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like zeth mentioned. if got was all knowing and all powerful why wouldnt he write the facts, why would he leave anything up for interpretation?
faith, free will, the ability to question and doubt, the ability
to interpret a piece of work as you want, but since god didnt
write the bible it wasnt up to him as to what went in it
you obviously dont read the bible let me point out a few facts,
it was said that god created man in his own image, man was
capable of committing sin, so is god. man has a violent nature,
as the bible points out, so does god. god is a jealous deity,
just one of his many sins, he has a wrath like no other, capable
of genocide for simply not believing in him, it appears that god
was created to mirror mans image since the book was the bastard
child of many other bastard children
if you had read the bible you would know that its word of god, god breathed the word into man. how or why would he let man fuddle up the message?
and yes i have read the bible from cover to cover multiple times.
your opinion of god like hes jealous and violent contradict the biblical idea that god is perfect. there are way too many hoops you have to jump thru to make this idea acceptable.
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