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 Guns don't kill people... 
#10423581 - 05/30/09 04:56 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Guns don't kill people, people do, the NRA is fond of spouting. But surely the gun helps. It'd be pretty hard to just stand there, shout bang, and people drop dead, unless they've got a very weak heart. As Eddie Izzard says.
I guess I just don't understand why people arent willing to make a small personal sacrifice so that less people every year get killed. A crazyyoung dude may not have the balls/willingness to go to the black market to get a gun, but if his grandad's got an uzi locked in a cupboard, he's much more likely have a crack at that.
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#10423583 - 05/30/09 04:57 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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i love my gun.
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You mean your penis?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423602 - 05/30/09 05:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You mean your penis?
Way to come off as a douche.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423619 - 05/30/09 05:12 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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no i mean my .38 revolver.
and yeah its not like i go around shooting innocent people whats your problem?
im guessing you dont own a gun? its really not a big deal at all...it is just like drugs man..all about being responsible.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423662 - 05/30/09 05:30 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think its more about our right to have them anything else. i dont personally own a gun, but i like knowing i have the option should i want one.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: wrestler_az]
#10423687 - 05/30/09 05:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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its to protect your rights from tyrant governments and petty criminals(same thing). Anything can be used as a weapon. Think of all the deaths and increased crime rate if criminals(government) knew we didn't have a firearm.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: wrestler_az]
#10423718 - 05/30/09 05:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah but would you not be willing to give up that right to save peoples lives? Think about it black and white: on the one hand you have a gun to call your own, on the other you got two dozen people. Which do you choose to keep
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Think of all the deaths and increased crime rate if criminals(government) knew we didn't have a firearm.
Thats just scaremongering and complete fabrication...murder rates are higher in the US than in countries where guns are prohibited
In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) – a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.
In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423739 - 05/30/09 05:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah but would you not be willing to give up that right to save peoples lives?
The people who would be willing to give up that right are not the people who would be killing others with guns in the first place.
As for me, you can take my gun away if you can pry it from my cold, dead hands. 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423746 - 05/30/09 05:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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What do you mean? If people want to kill, they'll find a way. A thief won't walk in the bank with a banana under his shirt; he'll bust in with a homemade explosive -- that is, if all of the guns floating around your region are confiscated somehow. Which isn't possible. There are too many manufactured weapons, and most of their owners wouldn't hand them over politely.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423760 - 05/30/09 05:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
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Think of all the deaths and increased crime rate if criminals(government) knew we didn't have a firearm.
Thats just scaremongering and complete fabrication...murder rates are higher in the US than in countries where guns are prohibited
In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) � a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.
In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) � a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
Hmm, those numbers are pretty convincing ... 
Maybe guns do make all the difference, at least in terms of homicide. They definitely make murder effortless and efficient. 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Cameron]
#10423765 - 05/30/09 05:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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What do you mean? If people want to kill, they'll find a way. A thief won't walk in the bank with a banana under his shirt; he'll bust in with a homemade explosive.
Yeah but my original point, surely a gun helps. The fact they're everywhere makes it easier so it happens more often. Am I missing something or is that not the most simple example of logic ever? 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423772 - 05/30/09 06:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
#10423776 - 05/30/09 06:04 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The people who would be willing to give up that right are not the people who would be killing others with guns in the first place.
Yeah but you didn't read my post. How often is there a massacre? Where do the mentalists get their weapons? Most often they steal them from uncle or grandad. Maybe pops isnt going to shoot anyone but the more guns there are, the easier it is for crazy folk to get them (see: logic)
Even if that only saves 20 lives a year, is that not worth it, from a human being to a human being point of view?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Cameron]
#10423779 - 05/30/09 06:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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yup. i didnt see your post before i replied
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423784 - 05/30/09 06:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: How often is there a massacre? Where do the mentalists get their weapons? Most often they steal them from uncle or grandad. Maybe pops isnt going to shoot anyone but the more guns there are, the easier it is for crazy folk to get them (see: logic)
Granted, but banning guns ensure that only the baddies in organized crime and with access to black markets will have them.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423790 - 05/30/09 06:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I believe the 20.6 million hunters in the U.S. may have a problem with your logic.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: grewya]
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423803 - 05/30/09 06:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The people who would be willing to give up that right are not the people who would be killing others with guns in the first place.
Yeah but you didn't read my post. How often is there a massacre? Where do the mentalists get their weapons? Most often they steal them from uncle or grandad. Maybe pops isnt going to shoot anyone but the more guns there are, the easier it is for crazy folk to get them (see: logic)
Even if that only saves 20 lives a year, is that not worth it, from a human being to a human being point of view?
A lot of people that i meet are shit heads anyway, can i just imagine that these 20 people a year are just shit heads?
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Why does God give us anything?
Look at it this way: if you want to make a baby cry, first you give it a lollipop. Then you take it away. If you never give it a lollipop to begin with, it would have nothin' to cry about. That's like God, who gives us life and love and help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it's our tears, Stan, that give God his great power.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: grewya]
#10423806 - 05/30/09 06:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd just like you to admit it, you care more about holding a metal object that can kill, than you do about other human beings. Otherwise the question is a no brainer. You'll come up with any number of arguments (criminals, hunting) as to why you and other chaps should get to keep your gun, just to avoid the simple truth that your and the rest of America's relationship with guns means that more people are killed needlessly.
Maybe you love guns cos the ancient parts of your male brain hardware are still wired for a different sort of survival than comfortable modern living, and you've not updated your software You talk about your freedom and your rights; what about the rights of people NOT to get shot at and killed? That's a pretty basic freedom right there IMO
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: igwna]
#10423808 - 05/30/09 06:22 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If we gave up our rights to bear arms, then only criminals and the govt. would own them. Does this make us safe? Do you really want less freedom? Are more laws what we really need?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423818 - 05/30/09 06:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: You talk about your freedom and your rights; what about the rights of people NOT to get shot at and killed? That's a pretty basic freedom right there IMO
Just because some people use guns irresponsibly does not grant you the right to take guns away from responsible users, who should be keeping their guns in a locked cabinet so nobody else can use them.
This is about as bad an argument as proposing to ban cars because some people get in accidents and kill people with them.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: stubborn]
#10423819 - 05/30/09 06:26 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If we gave up our rights to bear arms, then only criminals and the govt. would own them. Does this make us safe? Do you really want less freedom? Are more laws what we really need?
Again, see other countries with prohibition which are safer to live in, don't have mass shootings on a regular basis, ie direct link between gun ownership and murder rate
And again, what freedom are you talking about exactly? Not to get shot at?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
#10423824 - 05/30/09 06:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just because some people use guns irresponsibly does not grant you the right to take guns away from responsible users, who should be keeping their guns in a locked cabinet so nobody else can use them.
Ill repeat this bit.....I'd just like you to admit it, you care more about holding a metal object that can kill, than you do about other human beings. Otherwise the question is a no brainer.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423825 - 05/30/09 06:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Again, see other countries with prohibition which are safer to live in, don't have mass shootings on a regular basis, ie direct link between gun ownership and murder rate
Correlation does not equal causation. The lower murder rate could be due to any number of other things, including a less violent culture.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423826 - 05/30/09 06:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: I'd just like you to admit it, you care more about holding a metal object that can kill, than you do about other human beings.
This makes absolutely no sense. If I keep my gun in a locked cabinet, so nobody else can use it, and if I only use it responsibly at a target range or to go hunting, then there is no lack of 'caring about other human beings'.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423827 - 05/30/09 06:29 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Approx. 115 people die each day in car accidents in the U.S.
I propose a nationwide car ban!
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
#10423832 - 05/30/09 06:33 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Correlation does not equal causation. The lower murder rate could be due to any number of other things, including a less violent culture.
OK, ban guns, see what happens and get back to me on that one. Many guns making a culture more violent? That's crazy talk I suppose
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: grewya]
#10423837 - 05/30/09 06:35 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Approx. 115 people die each day in car accidents in the U.S.
I propose a nationwide car ban!
Save the people!
A car is not designed as a weapon, most people use it as a mode of transport, so that argument is a bit doofus.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423842 - 05/30/09 06:37 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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OK, ban guns, see what happens and get back to me on that one. Many guns making a culture more violent? That's crazy talk I suppose
Would a peaceful nation even use guns? I'll agree that the presence of guns may contribute to violence, but we wouldn't have them in the first place if we didn't already have violent tendencies.
Ban guns and people will kill each other with knives.  All I know is that the best thing for home defense is a shotgun.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
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Approx. 115 people die each day in car accidents in the U.S.
I propose a nationwide car ban!
Save the people!
A car is not designed as a weapon, most people use it as a mode of transport, so that argument is a bit doofus.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423846 - 05/30/09 06:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Correlation is not causation. It's the different lifestyles of these other countries that make them safer. Guns are in the hands of criminals already. Making guns illegal doesn't make them disappear. Did making drugs illegal make them disappear? How does taking them away from noncriminals help? Your logic is flawed. You can't solve every problem with more sunshine, flowers, and rainbows.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
#10423847 - 05/30/09 06:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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This makes absolutely no sense. If I keep my gun in a locked cabinet, so nobody else can use it, and if I only use it responsibly at a target range or to go hunting, then there is no lack of 'caring about other human beings'.
You're ignoring what I actually mean and my logic because you love guns so much. I don't care about you using your gun safe. The fact is that not all people are that responsible, and because of your system, somewhere along the line safety's going to break down and people are going to get killed. The only way to get over this is to all give up your weapons, because you care more about people than weapons. You gun people are weird 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
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OK, ban guns, see what happens and get back to me on that one. Many guns making a culture more violent? That's crazy talk I suppose
Would a peaceful nation even use guns? I'll agree that the presence of guns may contribute to violence, but we wouldn't have them in the first place if we didn't already have violent tendencies.
Ban guns and people will kill each other with knives. All I know is that the best thing for home defense is a shotgun.
It's hard to walk into a room and kill 20 people with a knife, unless you're Rambo. WIth a gun its kind of simple.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: stubborn]
#10423852 - 05/30/09 06:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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P.S. alcohol kills way more people than anything else. Do you want to give up that freedom too? We should all just let the government control our lives, right?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423853 - 05/30/09 06:41 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You're ignoring what I actually mean and my logic because you love guns so much.
I don't particularly love guns, but I do hate people who want to strip away my rights.
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I don't care about you using your gun safe. The fact is that not all people are that responsible, and because of your system, somewhere along the line safety's going to break down and people are going to get killed. The only way to get over this is to all give up your weapons, because you care more about people than weapons. You gun people are weird
If everyone voluntarily handed in their guns, then yes I agree that the world would be a safer place. As it stands, criminals (namely the people who use guns to murder the most often) would not voluntarily do so, and the responsible gun users who only use guns for hunting, self-defense, and target shooting would have their rights unfairly stripped away.
You are advocating an unrealistic policy change.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
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Approx. 115 people die each day in car accidents in the U.S.
I propose a nationwide car ban!
Save the people!
A car is not designed as a weapon, most people use it as a mode of transport, so that argument is a bit doofus.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: stubborn]
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Correlation is not causation. It's the different lifestyles of these other countries that make them safer.
I doubt the UK is much less violent than the US, we still have a lot of knife crime, it's just not as deadly as gun crime. Violence will never go away but you can limit it. Like by not having guns
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Guns are in the hands of criminals already. Making guns illegal doesn't make them disappear.
When has a massacre been carried out by an established criminal? Theyre kids man. This isn't my argument, Im not talking about the black market which is there in every country. see: entire thread
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Your logic is flawed. You can't solve every problem with more sunshine, flowers, and rainbows.
Ahhhh now you're insinuating Im 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: grewya]
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mr_kite said:
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grewya20 said:
Approx. 115 people die each day in car accidents in the U.S.
I propose a nationwide car ban!
Save the people!
A car is not designed as a weapon, most people use it as a mode of transport, so that argument is a bit doofus.
He sure showed them!
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423866 - 05/30/09 06:49 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
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grewya20 said:
Approx. 115 people die each day in car accidents in the U.S.
I propose a nationwide car ban!
Save the people!
A car is not designed as a weapon, most people use it as a mode of transport, so that argument is a bit doofus.
So even though the degree is much greater, it's not as big of a problem just because there's no intent. If 10 people were dying from drinking tap water for every person shot..... we should still put our focus on more gun control because there's no intent to kill with water?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
#10423877 - 05/30/09 06:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
If everyone voluntarily handed in their guns, then yes I agree that the world would be a safer place. As it stands, criminals (namely the people who use guns to murder the most often) would not voluntarily do so, and the responsible gun users who only use guns for hunting, self-defense, and target shooting would have their rights unfairly stripped away.
You are advocating an unrealistic policy change.
Ok so granted criminal gangs would keep on shooting eachother, but who gives a fuck about them. Let's just for a minute talk about the massacres of innocent people your country is so prone to. Even individual shootings, sometimes arent by established criminals. Far from stripping away your rights, would you not willingly give them up to save lives?
So to recap:
criminal keep their guns
the general public give them up; not "are stripped of them"
less innocent people get massacred
But it's fun shooting targets, and you're never going to meet these people or their families who get shot anyway. America will never give up her right to bear arms, right? Guns dont kill people, people do. The guns plays no part in it whatsoever. Guns are fundamentally designed as a leisure pursuit and cars and alcohol are pretty much intended as weaponry.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423881 - 05/30/09 06:59 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wasn't insinuating that you're gay. What I listed were symbols of peace.
Your arguments are all irrelevant. If you can't debate, then don't.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423882 - 05/30/09 07:00 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
Far from stripping away your rights, would you not willingly give them up to save lives?
Because I use my gun responsibly, and because I don't plan on killing anyone with my gun, giving up my gun would not save lives (and in fact, if I come across a situation where I have to defend my home against an intruder, giving that up would most likely cost me my life). Those who would use a gun irresponsibly, and those who do plan on killing someone with their gun, would most likely not want to willingly give theirs up.
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mr_kite said:
Ok so granted criminal gangs would keep on shooting eachother, but who gives a fuck about them.
Pretty sure lots of innocent bystanders are killed in incidents related to gang violence and drive-by shootings.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: stubborn]
#10423887 - 05/30/09 07:03 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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stubborn said:
Your arguments are all irrelevant. If you can't debate, then don't.
You've ignored most of my arguments that I put to you (check back to my replies) Good luck in life and all that shit
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423891 - 05/30/09 07:05 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
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deCypher said:
The people who would be willing to give up that right are not the people who would be killing others with guns in the first place.
Yeah but you didn't read my post. How often is there a massacre? Where do the mentalists get their weapons? Most often they steal them from uncle or grandad. Maybe pops isnt going to shoot anyone but the more guns there are, the easier it is for crazy folk to get them (see: logic)
Even if that only saves 20 lives a year, is that not worth it, from a human being to a human being point of view?
ummmm...no.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423892 - 05/30/09 07:06 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Jesus fuck I give up. Never argue with people who love their guns.
You steadily refuse to discuss the issue of massacres in your country. Ive brought it up several times but you always ignore it. Speak to people from outside the US and to outsiders there's one very obvious reason WHY your country is fucked in that respect. Cant see the wood for the trees etc
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423894 - 05/30/09 07:07 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Till death do us part!
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423896 - 05/30/09 07:08 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: grewya]
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: kergan]
#10423903 - 05/30/09 07:14 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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kergan said:
http://www.vtgunsmiths.com/arms/ffquote.html
Nice quotes! I enjoyed this one:
Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose people are afraid to trust them with arms.
--James Madison
Cough cough, UK, cough.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423904 - 05/30/09 07:15 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mamoru Takuma (8) On June 8, 2001, Mamoru Takuma Armed with a kitchen knife,burst into an elementary school in Osaka, Japan, slashing eight children to death and wounding 18 other children and three adults. Takuma, 37, was subdued by a vice principal and a teacher before police arrived. He was arrested at the scene, but was taken to a hospital, reportedly with self-inflicted injuries. The victims -- six girls and two boys -- were first- or second-grade students, ranging in age from 6 to 8. Two children were killed immediately and another six died at hospitals after the attack. Six more victims were in serious condition.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423913 - 05/30/09 07:36 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
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deCypher said:
The people who would be willing to give up that right are not the people who would be killing others with guns in the first place.
Yeah but you didn't read my post. How often is there a massacre? Where do the mentalists get their weapons? Most often they steal them from uncle or grandad. Maybe pops isnt going to shoot anyone but the more guns there are, the easier it is for crazy folk to get them (see: logic)
Even if that only saves 20 lives a year, is that not worth it, from a human being to a human being point of view?
Nope, don't know them don't care...
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424069 - 05/30/09 09:11 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
Jesus fuck I give up.
You should have been smart enough not to start.
I've had guns for 30 years and have never shot anyone so why should I give mine up because a few use theirs for violence?
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Evil Doer: Golly Mr. Police Officer, I've come to turn in my guns.
Officer PoPo: You sir are a good citizen.
Evil Doer: Yes. I was going to use them to massacre people but I have seen the error of my ways. Instead I'll merely drive my car through a school playground at high speed, killing and injuring many.
Officer PoPo: Well, at least you won't be shooting them. Have a nice day!
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You won't win this argument because your premise is moronic. As has been repeatedly pointed out to you.... only the honest and law abiding will turn in their guns.
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mr_kite said:
Far from stripping away your rights, would you not willingly give them up to save lives?
No.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424092 - 05/30/09 09:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Your grasping too heavily on emotional news stories of shooting rampages.
Consider the issue with more perspective - We, as a society, tolerate over 40,000 deaths every year to have a 'car culture'. Thats over four times the amount of deaths from guns (that may or may not be prevented by prohibition of guns); deaths that we, as a society, tolerate to have a fail safe against tyranny, personal defense and the ability to hunt.
If you really wanted to save lives, you would look at the numbers and advocate elsewhere.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424148 - 05/30/09 10:10 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
Guns don't kill people,
.......God does
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424188 - 05/30/09 10:31 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just SOOOOOOO love it when people who DON'T LIVE IN THE USA.
think they know how we should run our country.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: igwna]
#10424246 - 05/30/09 10:54 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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If guns are illegal then criminals will be the only ones with guns. Why? Because they break the law!! They'd have access to black market fire arms. The more people who have guns = more good law abiding people with guns to defend themselves.
Think of how much crime there'd be if the government publicly announced a gun for every home in america. I think burglars might not want to break into peoples homes knowing everyone of them has a gun.
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#10424282 - 05/30/09 11:09 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Part of being a man, in my admittedly not humble opinion, is the protection of those who can not or will not protect themselves. This includes women, the elderly, children, and pussified hippies that I may associate with.
I had carried and used various different firearms. Some are physically heavy. All have a far heavier moral weight.
A good soldier,
Enters battle gravely,
As if preparing for a funeral,
He takes no delight,
In the slaughter of men.
Friend, if citizens were disarmed, we would see government and corporations engage in wholesale enslavement of the population. This has happened in the past.
I find it disturbing when some place more trust in the government than with their neighbors. That is the essence of "gun control", the trusting of Big Brother government over your friendly neighbor who would gladly defend your life and liberty with his very life-blood.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Mr.Al]
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: sjacobn]
#10424302 - 05/30/09 11:19 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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OP: 
Can't you just accept that your argument has failed miserably, and give up? Surely you can't think that taking the right to bear arms (one of our most fundamental rights as Americans) in order to save the miniscule number of deaths/year that occur due to mass shootings is a good idea. More people die every year from choking than die from a mass shooting like you're trying to protect.
Just stop. Please.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424310 - 05/30/09 11:21 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
Guns don't kill people, people do, the NRA is fond of spouting. But surely the gun helps. It'd be pretty hard to just stand there, shout bang, and people drop dead, unless they've got a very weak heart. As Eddie Izzard says.
yeah but it's not that difficult to bludgeon someone to death
with a bat, club, stick, rock, pipe or other heavey bludgeoning
instrument, nor is it difficult to get a cross bow, knife,
gallon of antifreeze, automobile, 2 slice toaster or any number
of other store bought or improvised devices of death
lets look at statistics for a moment, in the US there are more
than 600 million legal firearms that were never used to kill a
human, in 2005 there are 10,000 gun related homicides, total
homicide rate with all methods of 12.2%, down significantly from
the average of 32,000 shootings in the early 90s. Australia saw a
14% increase in 2005 in their homicide rate and they have no
firearms in the hands of citizens, the UK has similar numbers
showing an increase in crime and murder so it's apparent that all they've done is stripped away the right to life from innocent people and given the right to kill to criminals
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/buyback-has-no-effect-on-murder-rate/2006/10/23/1161455665717.html
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21902
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I guess I just don't understand why people arent willing to make a small personal sacrifice so that less people every year get killed.
I wont surrender my guns because I have a right and a duty to
protect my family, my home and my country, the 2nd amendment
isnt about self defense and hunting though, it's about freedom,
do you like the laws being passed in this country, what's
stopping them from completely stripping away your 4th amendment
rights as well as what they've already taken... 600 million guns
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A crazyyoung dude may not have the balls/willingness to go to the black market to get a gun, but if his grandad's got an uzi locked in a cupboard, he's much more likely have a crack at that.
but if grand dad isnt an irresponsible twat he keeps his guns in
a safe and when stupid kid cant get it from home which is
normally the case he gets it from stupid kid 2, you're
advocating removing the guns from the responsible as well as the
irresponsible as opposed to doing the right thing and executing
those that use guns illegally to commit crimes, remember that
weed ban, they took it away from the responsible and
irresponsible alike, has it stopped anyone from getting it?
what about heroin, cocaine or any other illicit drug
lets steer away from the drugs again for a minute and get back to guns
honestly, I wish it were so simple as to say lay down your arms
but as I've shown above your assumptions are unfounded, maybe
they're based on propaganda but the simple fact of the matter
gun laws are being repealed in the US, more guns are being sold
even in cities that previously banned firearms and the crime
rates are dropping so the only success in these places is in
disarming the citizens and preventing them from defending
themselves against criminals
while these criminals in most cases no longer have firearms they
have other instruments for 'dealing death', in britain knives
and air guns are on the chopping block, heavy legislation to
prevent the murder of innocent citizens, as of yet, it's not
working, crime and murder are still on the rise and prohibitive
legislation simply does not protect citizens, cops can only
respond to a crime after it has occurred because no one can call
in a murder before it happens
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2287360/Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-gun-crime.html
here's some recent stats for the UK, an increase of 28% on
stabbings and shootings, shootings where there are no guns
except in the hands of police, what's that tell you about who
mush be committing the crimes, 14% overall increase in murder,
57% increase in fatal beatings and of course they always talk
about such harsh punishments for those caught, problem seems to
be catching them and for punishment, it's jail, seems the death
penalty works as a deterrent because in the US when the supreme
court put a moratorium on executions until they made a ruling on
whether it was constitutional the murder rate in the US increased
I bet if the UK stopped trying to be so 'civilized' and
re-institute the death penalty they may see a decrease in crime
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/42677/Knifings-and-shootings-up-as-murder-rate-soars-
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424316 - 05/30/09 11:24 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
Yeah but would you not be willing to give up that right to save peoples lives? Think about it black and white: on the one hand you have a gun to call your own, on the other you got two dozen people. Which do you choose to keep
guns in the hands of law abiding citizens save more lives than
they take, the USs dropping crime rare and climbing gun ownership
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424338 - 05/30/09 11:28 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
It's hard to walk into a room and kill 20 people with a knife, unless you're Rambo. WIth a gun its kind of simple.
not really, it's been done several times in japan
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
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mr_kite said:
It's hard to walk into a room and kill 20 people with a knife, unless you're Rambo. WIth a gun its kind of simple.
not really, it's been done several times in japan
and with a bomb made from Lowes it's even easier, "Lowe's Knows" 
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1996 olympics, eric rudolph and the abortion clinics, Timothy
McVey and the OKC federal building... that shit never happens
unless they use a gun... dont be so silly, everyone knows that
guns are the only way to kill people
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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and if Eric Harris and Dylan Kleybold actually knew anything about wiring a bomb well nothing would have happned
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10424360 - 05/30/09 11:36 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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We should outlaw tall buildings too! Fuck we might as well just outlaw gravity, that shit kills so many people each year!
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: wrestler_az]
#10424364 - 05/30/09 11:38 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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wrestler_az said:
i think its more about our right to have them anything else. i dont personally own a gun, but i like knowing i have the option should i want one.
So so true! same here i dont own one either but i dont want people trying to take my right to!
This is a good topic to bring up, atleast for me. where i live in louisiana we just had a school shooting the other day cause daddy didnt have his gun locked up properly. The kid got in camo and brought a small pistol to school, shot at the teacher and missed then turned the gun on himself and tried to blow his brains out and failed at that too cause now hes in a coma but who knows he might not have totally failed he is on his death bed. The funny thing is that the kids he was shouting hail marilyn manson when he did it. I dont know how true this is as the kid was only like 15 years old maybe younger but the picture i saw did not even look like he would listen to that kind of music but then again i think its just scarry people wanting to find a blame to hide the real cause of the factor of where the hell are the parents. Gun control is a problem in my opinion in this situation but just cause one shmuk cant keep his shit under control does not mean we need to suffer. The key to success is to practice it and pass on the knowledge!
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: sjacobn]
#10424371 - 05/30/09 11:39 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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"Guns don't kill people. The government does." - Dale Gribble
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: sjacobn]
#10424387 - 05/30/09 11:42 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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sjacobn said:
We should outlaw tall buildings too! Fuck we might as well just outlaw gravity, that shit kills so many people each year!
all I can say is all those people murdered each year were
obviously unarmed or to ignorant to exercise their right
to murder their attackers, I bet if they owned guns they'd
still be alive right now
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I just goggled it that kid couldn't have done shit wouldn't have done shit
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Although he apparently was intent on killing people, he was armed with only four bullets for the .25-caliber, semiautomatic pistol he had taken from his father's home during the weekend.
 Four bullets?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Silversoul]
#10424397 - 05/30/09 11:45 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Personally I can't wait until I have enough disposable income to buy or rent some sweet ass guns and let 'er rip at the shooting range. I'm thinking maybe a .50 cal lol
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Silversoul]
#10424400 - 05/30/09 11:46 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Silversoul said:
"Guns don't kill people. The government does." - Dale Gribble
Well, apparently we agree on some things. Government having a monopoly on "legal" gun ownership is a disturbing idea given their track record of atrocities and self sanctioned mass murders.
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Kada
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Mr.Al]
#10424407 - 05/30/09 11:48 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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When the governemnt gives up their guns then so will I.
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indigo_shades said:
This is a good topic to bring up, atleast for me. where i live in Louisiana we just had a school shooting the other day cause daddy didnt have his gun locked up properly.
kinda interesting because it wasnt that long ago that a
principal in Pearl Mississippi stopped a school shooter with a
firearm he carried on school campus, in the other school
shootings I'm sure that many could have been stopped or
prevented for the faculty was armed, it's proven effective in
israel against islamic extremists whom had thought the best way
to make their point was to kill school children, since israel
has armed teachers there's been no more attacks on schools
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kada]
#10424421 - 05/30/09 11:52 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kada said:
When the governemnt gives up their guns then so will I.
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I won't.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: kergan]
#10424441 - 05/30/09 11:58 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Me neither, im a lair there. But i only say that because i know they will never give up their guns.
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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein
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My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama
Live long and prosper.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kada]
#10424468 - 05/30/09 12:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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if they take my guns, I will simply make them, I will make far more lethal devices as well
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10424478 - 05/30/09 12:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I will say to my edited post im sorry for the usage of my racist words as i spent too much time in otd. I will choose to opt out the rest of the conversation and say that gun control is an issue but one the owner should should take responsibility for.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10424524 - 05/30/09 12:21 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Oh im with you there man. Guns are not hard devices to make. Shit i could make a gun even only with some pipe, some compressed air, and metal spikes lol.
My favorite things are explosives tho. I learned all sorts of neato ways to make things go boom when i was a combat engineer in the marines.
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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein
"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama
Live long and prosper.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kada]
#10424548 - 05/30/09 12:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kada said:
My favorite things are explosives tho. I learned all sorts of neato ways to make things go boom when i was a combat engineer in the marines.
part 2 of the anti gun argument is usually regarding tyrannical
government, it's always claimed that the citizens cant win
against all the hardware the government has, you can answer for
yourself and as I already know for myself and have asked many
others, if you were still serving active, would you take up arms
against the US people of they decided not to abide by gun confiscation?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10424595 - 05/30/09 12:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
part 2 of the anti gun argument is usually regarding tyrannical
government, it's always claimed that the citizens cant win
against all the hardware the government has, you can answer for
yourself and as I already know for myself and have asked many
others, if you were still serving active, would you take up arms
against the US people of they decided not to abide by gun confiscation?
Furthermore, 20th century warfare is rife with examples of guerrillas with small arms standing up to government hardware.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10424629 - 05/30/09 12:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I would do no such thing. What happened in New Orleans made me sick. The mother fuckers that participated in that are unamerican assholes, and should be kicked to death by the american public. You can't take away the basic rights of americans when it suits you, ecpecially in times of crissis. That just goes to show you that in the end, the governemnt just wants to control you, and every right that you do have you better hold on to. When the shit hits the fan you don't start stripping peoples rights. They should be court martialed and jailed at the very least. Your tyrannical governemnt at work.
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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein
"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama
Live long and prosper.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424639 - 05/30/09 12:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im sorry but hands down, any statement anyone makes against the right to bear arms is utterly retarded and the person saying it should be shot for their blatant display of ignorance and any influence it may gain. On top of that, using hypothetical situations to prove your point doesn't help much either. How many times do I need to say hypothetical is never real-world fact, ever!? Never has been, never will be. Get some articles or something..
Are you proposing we should all be willing to give up our right just to protect a few victims of some irresponsible gun owners? Why is it even your problem? Well if you're at all worried about becoming the victim of a violent gun crime, get a gun. That's the whole point, to live in a country that protects everyone's right to happiness and prosperity. Which includes having a gun to protect that. And whatever goes against that is why we have a judiciary system.
Felons already aren't allowed to get a FOID so that takes out a big chunk of assholes that could possibly victimize people with guns. If anyone associates with felons that is responsible enough to even have a FOID card(is over 21 or has parental consent, has a clean criminal record, and no history of mental illness) then they most likely will be cautious with their firearms around them. They do sell guns WITH lockboxes you know..
Of course it's a gamble once you add the variable of a random soul craving to commit a gun crime, but guess what? It will always be a gamble any way you look at it. The point is things are the way they are now to prevent as much chance as possible and leave the rest to the un-tamable human will. That's just how the world works. Don't blame the guns..
And as for the black market, it will always be there because there will always be assholes who will feel they need guns to further their tyrannical tendencies, conspiracy rationalizations, or careless masochistic entertainment.
'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' is exactly right when you take compassion over fear into account. Don't fear the guns, or people. They are both beyond any of us. So use some compassion and respect one of the only things this country has going for it. People will always be at odds, and guns are the great moderator when viewed with the same respect as our forefathers intended.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: DieCommie]
#10424683 - 05/30/09 12:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Qubit said:
Quote:
Prisoner#1 said:
part 2 of the anti gun argument is usually regarding tyrannical
government, it's always claimed that the citizens cant win
against all the hardware the government has, you can answer for
yourself and as I already know for myself and have asked many
others, if you were still serving active, would you take up arms
against the US people of they decided not to abide by gun confiscation?
Furthermore, 20th century warfare is rife with examples of guerrillas with small arms standing up to government hardware.
what qualifies as small arms
http://www.wimp.com/biggestshotgun/
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: DR. PRIME]
#10424688 - 05/30/09 12:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ya know, technically guns don't kill people, bullets do.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: meams]
#10424689 - 05/30/09 12:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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meams said:
OP:
Can't you just accept that your argument has failed miserably, and give up? Surely you can't think that taking the right to bear arms (one of our most fundamental rights as Americans) in order to save the miniscule number of deaths/year that occur due to mass shootings is a good idea. More people die every year from choking than die from a mass shooting like you're trying to protect.
Just stop. Please.
Firstly I did give up quite a bit ago, pretty much exactly where I said "Jesus fuck I give up". Now I came back about 5 hours on and lold. Second, I didnt fail, just a bunch of gun-owning Americans disagreed with me. No surprise there. Im still slightly disappointed that very few people actually listened to or understood my reasoning, and clearly you didnt as your "choking" example clearly illustrates.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424692 - 05/30/09 12:57 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said: Im still slightly disappointed that very few people actually listened to or understood my reasoning
Because your reasoning is invalid!
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: DR. PRIME]
#10424695 - 05/30/09 12:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
ScYiNs47 said:
Im sorry but hands down, any statement anyone makes against the right to bear arms is utterly retarded and the person saying it should be shot for their blatant display of ignorance and any influence it may gain. On top of that, using hypothetical situations to prove your point doesn't help much either. How many times do I need to say hypothetical is never real-world fact, ever!? Never has been, never will be. Get some articles or something..
Are you proposing we should all be willing to give up our right just to protect a few victims of some irresponsible gun owners? Why is it even your problem? Well if you're at all worried about becoming the victim of a violent gun crime, get a gun. That's the whole point, to live in a country that protects everyones right to happiness and prosperity. Which includes having a gun to protect that. And whatever goes against that is why we have a judiciary system.
Felons already aren't allowed to get a FOYD so that takes out a big chunk of assholes that could possibly victimize people with guns. If anyone associates with felons that is responsible enough to even have a FOYD card(is over 21 or has parental consent, has a clean criminal record, and no history of mental illness) then they most likely will be cautious with their firearms around them. They do sell guns WITH lockboxes you know..
Of course it's a gamble once you add the variable of a random soul craving to commit a gun crime, but guess what? It will always be a gamble any way you look at it. The point is things are the way they are now to prevent as much chance as possible and leave the rest to the untamable human will. That's just how the world works. Don't blame the guns..
And as for the black market, it will always be there because there will always be assholes who will feel they need guns to further their tyrannical tendencies, conspiracy rationalizations, or careless masochistic entertainment.
'Guns don't kill people, people kill people' is exactly right when you take compassion over fear into account. Don't fear the guns, or people. They are both beyond any of us. So use some compassion and respect one of the only things this country has going for it. People will always be at odds, and guns are the great moderator when viewed with the same respect as our forefathers intended.
Are you bored yet? Im reeeally bored
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
#10424705 - 05/30/09 01:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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deCypher said:
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mr_kite said: Im still slightly disappointed that very few people actually listened to or understood my reasoning
Because your reasoning is invalid!
No we've discussed this...not invalid, it just depends where your priorities lie. But anyway Im not going to make any more replies cos Im not going to agree with anyone, its boring and Im going to go get drunk and watch the football
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424710 - 05/30/09 01:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
I didnt fail, just a bunch of gun-owning Americans disagreed with me. No surprise there. Im still slightly disappointed that very few people actually listened to or understood my reasoning, and clearly you didnt as your "choking" example clearly illustrates.
obviously you didnt read my first response in this thread where I proved you wrong with your claims
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424712 - 05/30/09 01:01 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
Im still slightly disappointed that very few people actually listened to or understood my reasoning, and clearly you didnt as your "choking" example clearly illustrates.
Oh, don't be mistaken - we understand your reasoning. It just so happens that we all think your reasoning is 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424715 - 05/30/09 01:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
Quote:
deCypher said:
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mr_kite said: Im still slightly disappointed that very few people actually listened to or understood my reasoning
Because your reasoning is invalid!
No we've discussed this...not invalid, it just depends where your priorities lie. But anyway Im not going to make any more replies cos Im not going to agree with anyone, its boring and Im going to go get drunk and watch the football
what about the criminals, doesnt it also rely on their priorities
are you so incapable of backing your claim that you have to quit?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424720 - 05/30/09 01:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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You sir are ignorant. I didn't say you were stupid. Im saying your ignorant and should be placed in a situation where a gun would save your life. Do you pick it up and protect yourself? Or do you let it sit there while you allow yourself to be murdered? Im pretty sure you would pick it up. There will ALWAYS be guns.
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I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein
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My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: meams]
#10424728 - 05/30/09 01:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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meams said:
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mr_kite said:
Im still slightly disappointed that very few people actually listened to or understood my reasoning, and clearly you didnt as your "choking" example clearly illustrates.
Oh, don't be mistaken - we understand your reasoning. It just so happens that we all think your reasoning is
so does the home office in the UK, apparently gun crimes have
doubled since the ban was put into effect in 1996, seems
criminals didnt obey the laws and the citizens pay the price
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/crime-weapons.html
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10424730 - 05/30/09 01:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
are you so incapable of backing your claim that you have to quit?
Duh. Standard Shroomery protocol. Make a claim, get pwn3d, leave. I'm sure I've done it a few times
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: meams]
#10424759 - 05/30/09 01:14 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I found it amazing that in a country where firearms are banned
their use is on the rise, 16.000 cases reported in england and
wales, more than 2500 were real guns that criminals cant get their
hands on since they're banned and it's easy to control the flow of
weapons on an island
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: DR. PRIME]
#10424833 - 05/30/09 01:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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ScYiNs47 said:
Im sorry but hands down, any statement anyone makes against the right to bear arms is utterly retarded and the person saying it should be shot for their blatant display of ignorance and any influence it may gain.
You need to work you rhetorics, pal. If you were defending the right to bear arms, all weapons would've been forbidden a long time ago. 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10424847 - 05/30/09 01:40 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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So Pris, why is the firearm homicide rate of the US in the top ten, along with third-world country?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10424865 - 05/30/09 01:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
Yeah but would you not be willing to give up that right to save peoples lives? Think about it black and white: on the one hand you have a gun to call your own, on the other you got two dozen people. Which do you choose to keep
So we should take away everyone's guns so these scenarios can happen
1. Only gang members have access to them on the black market so when they rob your house you have to stand there and get shot.
2. The government is welcome to do whatever it wants because there is NO WAY to revolt.
Yeah man, sounds awesome. Lets get rid of all the guns. Only gang members and the government should have them that way they can control us even more! Awesome! Fucking awesome!
Do you people even think? When looking at a problem you need to figure out your own stance and the other person's. If you look at things like this without seeing both sides you will always look like a fool.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
#10424867 - 05/30/09 01:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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How is 'firearm murder rate' a relevant statistic? Obviously all murders need to be tallied. Otherwise you lose information and skew the results - a skew which of course favors places with high non-gun murder rates.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
#10424869 - 05/30/09 01:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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because we have 300 million people, why is Switzerlands among the lowest and every home has an automatic firearm
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
#10424870 - 05/30/09 01:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kukaracha said:
So Pris, why is the firearm homicide rate of the US in the top ten, along with third-world country?
Because of thugs The exact people who WOULDN'T turn in their firearms if they were banned.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Not gonna read through this whole thread.
With Americas 'Right to Bear Arms' clause. The ONLY solution to this is to make it mandatory for every person walking the streets to be armed with a .45 magnum.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: DieCommie]
#10424884 - 05/30/09 01:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Qubit said:
How is 'firearm murder rate' a relevant statistic? Obviously all murders need to be tallied. Otherwise you lose information and skew the results - a skew which of course favors places with high non-gun murder rates.
it's very important, in Australia where yet again the firearms
are heavily regulated, they're on an easily controlled island,
firearms account for 10% of all murders... it's obvious that gun
control works... to keep getting people killed
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: niteowl]
#10424886 - 05/30/09 01:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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guns dont kill people, bullets kill people
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
Not gonna read through this whole thread.
With Americas 'Right to Bear Arms' clause. The ONLY solution to this is to make it mandatory for every person walking the streets to be armed with a .45 magnum.
Agreed. You would initially have some crazies who would go out killing, but as soon as all those people were killed and in prison you would create a situation similar to the World's Nuclear Arms situation. When everyone has a Nuke, no one is going to be dumb enough to fire one.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
.45 magnum.
um... I believe everyone walking the streets should be armed with one too
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: lexmark]
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guns dont kill people, I kill people
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10425186 - 05/30/09 03:08 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im going to go get drunk and watch the football
I thought you had to be drunk when you started this thread.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10425244 - 05/30/09 03:23 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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To those who speak about guns helping a revolution, let me laugh. Hasta la victoria siempre, dude, but get back to reality quick.
To answer to Pris, 39% of homicides are done with a gun in the US, which ranks your country #7 worldwide, along with third world countries.
You're ranked 14th in the overall homicide rate, 8th with your firearm homicid rate, per 100 000 capita (so the number of people in the US doesn't count).
You're ranked with third-world countries... almost always in the top ten.
And to Meams, why are the gangs so violent in the US? There are ghettos everywhere.
Maybe it's because you have the almighty right to bear arms... and a powerful lobby to keep it that way.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
#10425299 - 05/30/09 03:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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The only 2 people on this thread who seem to be opposing gun control aren't from the U.S.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
#10425303 - 05/30/09 03:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kukaracha said:
Maybe it's because you have the almighty right to bear arms... and a powerful lobby to keep it that way.
Then why do Canadians have more guns than we do, yet fewer homicides?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
#10425313 - 05/30/09 03:39 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Kukaracha said:
To answer to Pris, 39% of homicides are done with a gun in the US, which ranks your country #7 worldwide, along with third world countries.
and that just reinforces the point, we have 90% gun ownership
rate in the US with a total number for every man, woman and
child to have 2 firearms, that's 600,000,000 firearms, there's
less than 10,000 deaths attributed to all the firearms in the
nation, again when we look at countries like the UK where the
murder rate is up 50%, firearms playing a larger role, yes, more
shooting now that guns are banned than prior to the dublane
'massacre' it shows just how ineffective banning guns really is
in fact, if you do the math regarding the legally owned firearms
vs. the gun crime rates between all these nations, you'll see
that america is in fact the safest country to live in and in
fact has the lowest percentage of shootings per firearm owned
imagine 1.66666667 × 10-5 instances of
homicide vs the number of firearms
what's the figures for the UK?
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You're ranked 14th in the overall homicide rate, 8th with your firearm homicid rate, per 100 000 capita (so the number of people in the US doesn't count).
but the number of firearms does count as the vast majority are never used in crimes of any sort
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You're ranked with third-world countries... almost always in the top ten.
and we're dropping out while other countries are climbing
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: walzmanm]
#10425337 - 05/30/09 03:44 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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walzmanm said:
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Kukaracha said:
Maybe it's because you have the almighty right to bear arms... and a powerful lobby to keep it that way.
Then why do Canadians have more guns than we do, yet fewer homicides?
canadians have more guns than the US?
I seriously doubt that
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Wow, I completely fucked that up. Nevermind.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10425367 - 05/30/09 03:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think a fact that people ignore a lot, is the reason for our right to bear arms in the first place, if the majority of households are armed, it makes it much harder for us to be oppressed or occupied. as unlikely as it might seem that the US would get invaded right now, it doesnt mean we never will be. if we lose our right to arms we lose our ability to defend our rights and liberties against any foreign goverment, or our domestic one if needed.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: walzmanm]
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walzmanm said:
Wow, I completely fucked that up. Nevermind.
maybe so but you're right the canadian gun violence statistics are
pretty high in comparison, the funny part is canada likes to blame
it on the US, what's the excuse for England/Wales or Australia,
they dont share a border with anyone
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: nightshd]
#10425412 - 05/30/09 04:00 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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nightshd said:
i think a fact that people ignore a lot, is the reason for our right to bear arms in the first place, if the majority of households are armed, it makes it much harder for us to be oppressed or occupied.
it's funny you mention that, one of the reasons the japanese
didnt land in california during WWII was because americans are
so well armed, they did land in the aleutians in alaska where
they remained for a year, there was no one there for them to
capture or kill but the location was of strategic importance,
funny how no one moved from there to the mainland
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10425433 - 05/30/09 04:05 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just want bang bang bang!
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im guessing you dont own a gun? its really not a big deal at all...it is just like drugs man..all about being responsible.
sorry, i didnt read the thread and this may have already been pointed out but in my strong opinion: anyone who owns a gun is irresponsible.
it seems that the only people who have guns are ones who 'need' them for some bullshit reason.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10425545 - 05/30/09 04:33 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
in my strong opinion: anyone who owns a gun is irresponsible.
I think maybe you should explain
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10425551 - 05/30/09 04:34 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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well your wrong then.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10425556 - 05/30/09 04:36 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
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usefulidiot13 said:
im guessing you dont own a gun? its really not a big deal at all...it is just like drugs man..all about being responsible.
sorry, i didnt read the thread and this may have already been pointed out but in my strong opinion: anyone who owns a gun is irresponsible.
it seems that the only people who have guns are ones who 'need' them for some bullshit reason.
Ya like hunting for food to feed my family.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: kergan]
#10425559 - 05/30/09 04:37 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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kergan said:
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Big_Whoop said:
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usefulidiot13 said:
im guessing you dont own a gun? its really not a big deal at all...it is just like drugs man..all about being responsible.
sorry, i didnt read the thread and this may have already been pointed out but in my strong opinion: anyone who owns a gun is irresponsible.
it seems that the only people who have guns are ones who 'need' them for some bullshit reason.
Ya like hunting for food to feed my family.
Or protecting them from burglars.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: walzmanm]
#10425575 - 05/30/09 04:43 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: walzmanm]
#10425586 - 05/30/09 04:45 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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if somebodys going to burgle your home what are they going to use as their insurance? a gun.
now, if you dont have a gun what do you do? nothing.
if they dont have a gun, what would they do? they would not rob your home. or they would use another weapon or 'insurer'.
the thing is guns are a catylyst for agression because of their effectiveness and ease of use. if they did not exist we would be hunting with other tools. they are also a harbor of lazyness.
guns = unessesary pain for everyone
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: kergan]
#10425590 - 05/30/09 04:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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kergan said:
Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
freud was a quack and you know it.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10425611 - 05/30/09 04:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thomas Jefferson: "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither
inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and
better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man
may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." (1764 Letter and speech from T.
Jefferson quoting with approval an essay by Cesare Beccari)
George Washington: "Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the
people's liberty teeth (and) keystone... the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable... more than
99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very
atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes,
we need them every hour." (Address to 1st session of Congress)
George Mason: "To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them." (3 Elliot,
Debates at 380)
Don't tell me these guys are quacks too.
Maybe I will have to start carrying a samurai sword.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10425694 - 05/30/09 05:16 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
if somebodys going to burgle your home what are they going to use as their insurance? a gun.
now, if you dont have a gun what do you do? nothing.
you die while hiding behind your bed waiting for the cops to show up and 'protect' you, if you on the otherhand have a gun you shoot the burglars while they come through the bedroom door, you live, they die, crime rate drops and fewer people are victimized... see how guns work, they save lives and reduce crime
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if they dont have a gun, what would they do? they would not rob your home. or they would use another weapon or 'insurer'.
well, you're just going to have to show a few statistics on that one, I have a hard time believing that all burglars carry guns and that burglars without guns wont rob your home especially since whey they dont rob you they arent burglars
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the thing is guns are a catylyst for agression because of their effectiveness and ease of use. if they did not exist we would be hunting with other tools. they are also a harbor of lazyness.
guns = unessesary pain for everyone
according to many, alcohol and drugs are catylists for agression, everything you've stated is complete bullshit and fantasy speculation, in utopia, sure guns arent needed, in the real world where 6 billion people live every day, crime happens with or without guns
guns=necessary pain for those that wish to do harm to me or my loved ones
how about posting some real facts, hit the statistics on crime and give us a little
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10425699 - 05/30/09 05:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
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Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
freud was a quack and you know it.
you're a canadian, I see no difference
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10425838 - 05/30/09 05:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I didn't read the whole thread cause these debates are always the same.
People have too much respect for human life. There's almost seven billion of us, what is one less?
Plus if someone wants to die who are 'you' (people who are for gun criminalization) to prevent them from achieving that. Think of it like most of the other examples in this thread, home invasion. Someone who enters a household intending to steal something knows the chances of death are there and they go ahead anyways. Sometimes they succeed sometimes they die or get injured. They wouldn't even be in a deadly situation if they didn't decide to rob someone.
As for muggings, as far as I know the only way to die while being mugged by an armed assailant is to resist. Otherwise deaths involving guns also involve protection, accidents, and/or a specific motive.
You know what, I'm stopping there. To legitimately be involved in this thread I feel like I'll need to do/post some research, which I don't feel like doing. So, lets just leave it at gun criminalization will not stop deaths via guns, it will just increase innocents dieing via guns.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Idiot]
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Idiot said:
Plus if someone wants to die who are 'you' (people who are for gun criminalization) to prevent them from achieving that.
but what if they wanna take 40 people with them? suicide doesnt have to be by way of a gun
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As for muggings, as far as I know the only way to die while being mugged by an armed assailant is to resist.
the other way is to be compliant because there's plenty that
have fought back in roberies and muggings and overcome or at
least scared off their attacker and survived. some are killed,
it depends on the mindset of the assailant, there's never a
bunch of reports in the news about guns saving lives because it
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10426016 - 05/30/09 06:47 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
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kergan said:
Sigmund Freud: "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
freud was a quack and you know it.
you're a canadian, I see no difference
HA! yah got me there. dam gun toting american.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10426039 - 05/30/09 06:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
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Big_Whoop said:
freud was a quack and you know it.
you're a canadian, I see no difference
HA! yah got me there. dam gun toting american.
*damn
you'll wish you had a gun when america decides to bring
democracy and jesus to your godless backwards country!
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10426041 - 05/30/09 06:54 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stay in Canada,where its safe. Don't worry America will protect you.
Like we always have.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10426056 - 05/30/09 06:58 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I own 10 guns at present, since I was 21, I have owned 23. I have bought and sold guns the whole time and my favorite 6 that I have had for 10 years will always remain with me and passed down when I die. Some guns were bought for their value or rareness and re-sold for profit. A couple of times I was in a financial pinch and sold a couple to get through it. They are an investment. Like gold they go up in value or retain it. They can be used as barter. Some are so unique or beautifull that they remain. 2 of my guns are of this type, rare and beautifull, twin old army colt 45's in nickel and engraved in a felt lined box, all original. 1 is a 1944 "1911" 45. 1 is a 12 gauge S/S. 2 are .22 magnum rifles. 1 is a .22 LR rifle. 1 is a 357 mag revolver. 1 is a 45-70 government lever action rifle. 1 is a 270 win. scoped.
I have all bases covered with these. Hunting big game, medium game and small game. Target shooting. Self defense. And value.
So who's gonna come and take them away from me again? Bring a tank.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
#10426079 - 05/30/09 07:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's not irresponsible to have a gun.
It's a responsibility.
I will never give my gun away since it once belonged to my father, but I sure as hell am not gonna let someone come into my house and rob me either. If I feel threatened, I'm gonna shoot the mother fucker.
It's for safety since alarms aren't going to stop a them, and don't give you the feeling of security as does a gun.
The world isn't perfect, and guns are not going to be going away any time soon.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
how about posting some real facts, hit the statistics on crime and give us a little
this thread exists. a real fact.
The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimating 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.
^ thats quite a bit of unnescesary violence if you ask me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States <- quite a good article
another thing, my point was not that guns are the ONLY thing that kill people, my point is that they exist whilst they dont need to, and this thread is null. PEOPLE kill PEOPLE. guns are a weapon as much as fucking rock, but rocks require effort to make a kill. guns?.. not in the same league here.
i just wish the impossible. so call me a fucking dreamer, but i know whats wrong..
and Idiot, where would you be if there was no respect for human life?
p.s. random fact: one quarter of robberies are commited with a gun.
and another: between 1987 and 1990 there were 46,319 gun homicides in the US
edit: jeez pris, you corrected my 'n'?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
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another thing, my point was not that guns are the ONLY thing that kill people, my point is that they exist whilst they don't need to, and this thread is null. PEOPLE kill PEOPLE. guns are a weapon as much as fucking rock, but rocks require effort to make a kill. guns?.. not in the same league here.
Guns need to exist. This whole thread explains why.
Your Sig has a bunch of armed samurai in it please explain why they needed swords, And I don't need a gun.
A samurai with a sword was just as lethal back then as a man with a gun today.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
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Big_Whoop said:
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Prisoner#1 said:
how about posting some real facts, hit the statistics on crime and give us a little
this thread exists. a real fact.
The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimating 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000.
since when are guns a disease, the CDC is a government agency that's always had an anti gun agenda, the limp all shooting in with their statistics regardless of whether there's a justifiable reason, why not look at the FBI crime statistics because it'll show a completely different picture
how is self defense unnecessary
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p.s. random fact: one quarter of robberies are commited with a gun.
and another: between 1987 and 1990 there were 46,319 gun homicides in the US
p.s. random fact 75% of robberies we committed without a gun,
ban guns robberies increase, the statistics stay the same
because criminals didnt give their up
and another: tat averages to be 11,000 per year, nothing has
changed except the number of guns in civilian hands, it's
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: igwna]
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: kergan]
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that gave me wood
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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pris: no one said its a disease, the CDC was my source of information, a quite trustworthy one IMO. and i guess being shot is a dis-ease. self defence is unessesary if there is no aggressor. not possible i know, not in this world at least, but thats something to strive for i believe.
kergan: samurai had something called honor. they also had something called skill. and jeez, i just liked the movie...
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
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So are you saying people with guns have no honor.
Tell that to our military. Keep living in your fantasy world.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
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Big_Whoop said:
pris: no one said its a disease, the CDC was my source of information, a quite trustworthy one IMO.
funny because the US congress decided to cut their funding
because they're pushing an aganda, they skew the results to
claim far higher numbers than are actually reported, thus the
reason their funding was cut
http://www.claremont.org/projects/projectid.12/project_detail.asp
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Testimony before the U.S. House of Representatives Appropriations Committee revealing an aggressive ant-gun agenda at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Congress subsequently cut funding for the CDC’s anti-gun “research.”
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self defence is unessesary if there is no aggressor. not possible i know, not in this world at least, but thats something to strive for i believe.
we live in a world with 6 billion people, there's always an
aggressor and you never know when or where, we can all hold
hands and think happy thoughts but it's not going to change what
the other guy thinks
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kergan: samurai had something called honor. they also had something called skill. and jeez, i just liked the movie...
it takes skill to shoot a gun otherwise innocent bystanders get
killed, that's why most law abiding gun owners go through skils
training as well as safety courses, criminals dont, they dont
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: kergan]
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kergan said:
So are you saying people with guns have no honor.
Tell that to our military.
what's your military fighting for again? oh, thats right, PROFIT. how much money have the spent on fighting that war? oh, thats right, this much.
sooo, they failed at the honor thing, and they failed at the skill thing... hmm, still trying to get those infernal taliban outta them holes eh?
edit: the us congress got into ^that^ mess, i dont see why a government thats been oppressing free peoples for more than a century wouldnt make up even more bullshit to hide the truth.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
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Big_Whoop said:
what's your military fighting for again? oh, thats right, PROFIT.
can you show something that backs it up other than conspiracy
sites, you know, congressional papers, executive orders or
something that says we're after the oil
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
Quote:
walzmanm said:
Wow, I completely fucked that up. Nevermind.
maybe so but you're right the canadian gun violence statistics are
pretty high in comparison, the funny part is canada likes to blame
it on the US, what's the excuse for England/Wales or Australia,
they dont share a border with anyone
no doubt, you americans are the #1 reason why we commit crimes with firearms. Infact, we now have a 5 round cap with rifle mags and 10 cap pistol mag because of you guys, our 30 round mags and pinned because of americans!!!! 
jokes, our government is fukin retarded when it comes to firearm laws, yours will be soon to come with obama in charge.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
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The military follows the governments orders.
you cant blame them. Blame bush.
Edited by kergan (05/31/09 12:01 AM)
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: lexmark]
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lexmark said:
jokes, our government is fukin retarded when it comes to firearm laws, yours will be soon to come with obama in charge.
he's already seeing a great deal of resistance, there will be a
big backlash, it'll be like lincoln, he didnt want to be known as
the president that broke the nation... obama is headed that way
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: grewya]
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guns dont kill people, but bullets to when they hit somewhere vital
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: thedudenj]
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And for the record.
I am not pro military. But anyone willing to take a bullet for me has my respect.
Unlike some people who talk bad about them.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: kergan]
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kergan said:
And for the record.
I am not pro military. But anyone willing to take a bullet for me has my respect.
Unlike some people who talk bad about them.
 I go to basic this fall.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
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Big_Whoop said:
this much.
My state alone has spent over 3 trillion on wars since 2001. That's crazy.
That is all.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Idiot]
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I'd like to adress at first all of thos who like to have guns. This is one reason why I think that guns should be banned. Why would you have dozens of guns at your place?
Dozens of things that are made to kill. Dozens of things made industrially... what's the point?
Think about your paranoia: "I want guns to defend myself". I have seen very little people - or should I say, no one, who has been threatened with a gun. That mentality I see here is quite... I don't now, is that ganja side-effects? Like that Captain Cavern dude who said he always carried two guns and two knives.
To Pris, I didn't get what you said. UK, 50% of firearm homicides? Where did you see that? They're not even listed in the 32 first countries.
Although I see they are ranked 32d in murders with firearm (per capita), but you are ranked 8th (along with Costa Rica and Uruguay). And even though you do have more firearms... it's not an excuse, it actually explains the facts.
And could you show me the facts about the Canadians having high numbers?
The NRA has a lot of power, which Eisenhower and JFK warned you about (but US doesn't listen and elects Bush, twice). Who has the benefits of wars? Who gets money when you buy a gun? Who gets money when US soldiers get killed in the middle-east? Who feeds the lobby preaching the almighty right to bear arms? The gun industry.
And as it's been said, guns require no skills. Don't tell me about being manly, come on, a 6-year old could kill anyone with a gun.
Oh wait, it happened.
In 2000, in the US.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
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Just don't pull an Australia.
Some psychotic cunt goes crazy in public and mows down a bunch of people.
Pass extremely harsh gun laws.
FAIL, knee jerk reaction spearheaded by a bunch of knobs similar to the OP.
Still plenty of gun crime in Australia, the biker gangs had automatic weapons before the ban, the biker gangs still have automatic weapons... nothing has changed?
Now we have a stupid noob running the country that constantly ducks off to China and tried to implement a nation wide internet filter.
Stand up for your rights while you still have them, because once they're gone, you're never going to get them back.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
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Kukaracha said:
I'd like to adress at first all of thos who like to have guns. This is one reason why I think that guns should be banned. Why would you have dozens of guns at your place?
Dozens of things that are made to kill. Dozens of things made industrially... what's the point?
so is your argument against industrialization, I'm sure your
possessions arent made from rocks and sticks, nor do you live in
a cave, you're obviously using industry built electronics to
post on the internet which has more insustrial manufactured junk
to keep it alive, when I pound to ricks together I dont get
google, I get sparks and noise, kind of like my radio, it must
be made of rocks
you think guns should be banned because people have them, that's
the same reason I believe lives should be banned, everyone has
on, there's far to many in the world for it to be safe, BAN LIFE
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Think about your paranoia: "I want guns to defend myself". I have seen very little people - or should I say, no one, who has been threatened with a gun. That mentality I see here is quite...
I see, the paranoia angle, well, the good news about paranoia, it keeps people alive, if more people were paranoid then there would be fewer rapes, robberies and murders because people would be more aware of their surroundings
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To Pris, I didn't get what you said. UK, 50% of firearm homicides? Where did you see that? They're not even listed in the 32 first countries.
you've misread what I stated, here is is again and I encourage you to take the challenge I've offered
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10425313#10425313
and that just reinforces the point, we have 90% gun ownership
rate in the US with a total number for every man, woman and
child to have 2 firearms, that's 600,000,000 firearms, there's
less than 10,000 deaths attributed to all the firearms in the
nation, again when we look at countries like the UK where the
murder rate is up 50%, firearms playing a larger role, yes, more
shooting now that guns are banned than prior to the dublane
'massacre' it shows just how ineffective banning guns really is
in fact, if you do the math regarding the legally owned firearms
vs. the gun crime rates between all these nations, you'll see
that america is in fact the safest country to live in and in
fact has the lowest percentage of shootings per firearm owned
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Although I see they are ranked 32d in murders with firearm (per capita), but you are ranked 8th (along with Costa Rica and Uruguay). And even though you do have more firearms... it's not an excuse, it actually explains the facts.
And could you show me the facts about the Canadians having high numbers?
I guess it all depends on where the numbers come from
US is listed at #24, australia, canada and england are in the top 50
in fire arms related murder:
US is #8, Canada#20, Australia #27, UK is #32
the UK is in the top 50, that's just fucking crazy because
firearms are completely banned for civilians and there are no
legal firearms in the UK, I wonder what their murder rate would
be if they had 600million people and 12 million illegal aliens
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The NRA has a lot of power, which Eisenhower and JFK warned you about (but US doesn't listen and elects Bush, twice).
the government has more power, gaining more every day, I wonder
why a few presidents have warned us about the NRA, are they
paranoid, we also elected Obama, of course when you go back an
look at those statistics again, you'll see that france is in the
top 50 nations with a high murder rate at #40, and you guys are
trying to make america ban guns because you feel unsafe, you
showed your support for the puppet called Obama and you expect
us to see your views as sensible... france has a 32% firearms
ownership rate, whay hasnt france banned guns? why does the
foreign legion consist of non french citizens, many of whom are
criminals that the french government arms
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Who has the benefits of wars? Who gets money when you buy a gun? Who gets money when US soldiers get killed in the middle-east? Who feeds the lobby preaching the almighty right to bear arms? The gun industry.
this is about the US citizens right to bare arms, not about the
military industrial complex, who comprises the NRA and the gun
lobby, US Citizens, the same ones that read the 2nd Amendment of
the constitution as being "A well regulated Militia, being
necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the
people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." so it
seems it's also our government that espouses the rights, not
just the gun manufacturers
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And as it's been said, guns require no skills. Don't tell me about being manly, come on, a 6-year old could kill anyone with a gun.
Oh wait, it happened.
In 2000, in the US.
yes, guns require skill, they require common sense, they require
blank adapters and blanks during military drills involving the
public... what's Frances excuse here, soldiers shooting children
men that are supposed to be trained in the operation of weapons
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/30/world/europe/30bullet.html
why is the french military incapable of safely handling arms and
yet france want the US to ban them, maybe you should work on
your own country with it's high crime rates and incompetent
officers before trying to tackle the international issues, let
America deal with Americas problems
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Chubba]
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Chubba said:
Just don't pull an Australia.
Some psychotic cunt goes crazy in public and mows down a bunch of people.
Pass extremely harsh gun laws.
FAIL, knee jerk reaction spearheaded by a bunch of knobs similar to the OP.
in case you've not noticed, the reaction in america is to arm
victims before they become one, if we were to allow a few
emotional news stories to affect our judgement on this issue
we'd have banned guns in the 1800s and again in the 1960s and
continued from there every time someone was killed. instead we
ramp up our demands to stop restricting our second amendment
rights, allow people to carry on school campuses and public
places, it's these places with prohibitions that the mass
shootings occur, seems the shooters cant read but the law
abiding citizens can and obey the laws
I for one appreciate your support on this issue and in '96 I
supported gun rights for Australia, of course support from
foreign sources is pretty pointless but it's apparent you're
going through now what the US would go through if there was a
gun ban, even with guns we have politicians that bedazzle the
masses and convince them that stripping liberties is for the
common good, banning firearms gives people a false sense of
security because the police are not there when you're being
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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exactly
people always mention that tassie masscare and the way he went on a rampage because 'everyone has legal firearms' but i wonder where all the gun toting people were at the time when he went on the rampage,even though guns were legal at the time,people were that unprepared?
or were they law abiding citizens that didnt tote their guns in the first place?
we still have gun crimes btw,something like 2000 unaccounted for i once read recently
you guys are lucky
we're expected to defend ourselves with garden hoses
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: filthee]
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I monitor shootings that hit major media outlets, it's surprising
at how little the gun bans in Australia and the United Kingdom to
curb gun crimes, as pointed out, both should be able to control
the influx because of geography, in both cases gun crimes are on
the rise, in england it's exceeded the pre-ban rates but asside
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: igwna]
#10428921 - 05/31/09 11:55 AM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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if i own a gun and don't commit crimes will you leave me be?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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here its usually the weak and cowardice that carry knives and swords and they try to get you when youre unarmed and naked cept for boxer shorts otherwise they outnumber you and get you from your back or all three.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: filthee]
#10428944 - 05/31/09 12:03 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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sure seems like that gun control worked for someone
in the UK it's the same way but also involves fake guns and air
guns that look real, some people seem to believe that if you
remove guns from the hands of the people crime just goes away
like I said, after the french try it and stop giving machine guns
to foreigners, stop shooting 3 year old kids as a display of
military might, then maybe the US should consider it
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7:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdK8JXRKfdc
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Deekay said:
7:55
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdK8JXRKfdc
cant skip it all just for that little piece
it's a good hoot, and a bit of nostalgia for all ps2 owners 
'Guns don't kill people! Death Kills People!
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i love my gun.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Cubie]
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I love when people throw out the LOOK HOW MANY GUNS KILL PEOPLE statistic. Why don't you look up how many of those guns are ILLEGAL and then compare the statistics to other countries. OH YA that's right fucker. Gun murder has NOTHING to do with people legally caring guns. It has to do with the deep routed gang life and organized crime than choses guns as number one method of representation. You want to make this country safer? Make all states SHALL ISSUE with background/mental health check. Putting legal restrictions of guns does nothing to stop violence because guns have been around FOREVER and there is nothing you can do to take them back. Stealing rights from people who should be able to have guns only makes your life and your children's more endangered because people who can legally carry guns are barred or restricted from doing so while the criminals carry them anywhere and everywhere.
Guns are no different than drugs. Any piece of shit that says guns need to be restricted completely forgot how the trade works. Guns and Drugs are not going anywhere from prohibition. Regulated, tax, control, educate. We will live in a much safer place.
That being said, I can't fucking wait for california to become Shall issue. I am had to spend $5000 to get my CCS because of our bullshit May Issue laws and now when I move counties I am going to have to do it ALL over again. Fucking STUPID. At least make my license STATE wide and not county. Does one sherrif's moral judgment not equate to places outside of a legislative's imaginary boarder? Mother fuckers. Mother fuckers...
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: wireless]
#10429362 - 05/31/09 01:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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thedudenj said:
guns dont kill people, but bullets to when they hit somewhere vital
Can't you kill someone by pistol-whipping 'em?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: wireless]
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wireless said:
had to spend $5000 to get my CCS
Well...I guess I can't bitch about the $210 that my permit cost me anymore.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: grewya]
#10429389 - 05/31/09 02:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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grewya20 said:
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wireless said:
had to spend $5000 to get my CCS
Well...I guess I can't bitch about the $210 that my permit cost me anymore.
I had to get a lawyer to confirm that my "body guard service" was infact real and that I needed a CCW to continue my business. I had the license and customers and everything. Anything for a CCW 
In my state the Sheriff has to decide if you are morally acceptable and have good reason to carry a CCW.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
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Can't you kill someone by pistol-whipping 'em?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: grewya]
#10429442 - 05/31/09 02:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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grewya20 said:
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wireless said:
had to spend $5000 to get my CCS
Well...I guess I can't bitch about the $210 that my permit cost me anymore.
I've never complained about the $50 I had to pay, the best part, I only had to ask, no proof of need
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10430022 - 05/31/09 04:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
I monitor shootings that hit major media outlets, it's surprising
at how little the gun bans in Australia and the United Kingdom to
curb gun crimes, as pointed out, both should be able to control
the influx because of geography, in both cases gun crimes are on
the rise, in England it's exceeded the pre-ban rates but asside
from that, violent crime is on the rise
Ah but Prisoner you forget, this is the UK.
Over here the government works backwards, if a law passed is making the situation worse, they run with it enforcing it harder.
That's because when your British you have to be proud and stubborn all the time, especially when your wrong.
I hate this country and most of the people i meet in it, i can't wait to leave and take my business elsewhere.
America, don't give up your right to bear arms, it will be the last one you actually get to give away, the rest will be taken.
....and then you'l just end up like Britain.
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Why does God give us anything?
Look at it this way: if you want to make a baby cry, first you give it a lollipop. Then you take it away. If you never give it a lollipop to begin with, it would have nothin' to cry about. That's like God, who gives us life and love and help just so that he can tear it all away and make us cry, so he can drink the sweet milk of our tears. You see, it's our tears, Stan, that give God his great power.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: IdeLOLogies]
#10430411 - 05/31/09 05:30 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mexico has strict gun-control laws, and just look how safe they are 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mofo]
#10430666 - 05/31/09 06:11 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's what happens when you disarm the public.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: kergan]
#10430669 - 05/31/09 06:12 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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they dont look disarmed to me...
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: kergan]
#10430682 - 05/31/09 06:13 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Or is that what happens when you have severely corrupt politics?
You think no gun control would have stopped those deaths from occurring?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Az0th]
#10430708 - 05/31/09 06:18 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Noone has mentioned how fucked the knife culture is in the UK yet.
I'm more scared of knives then guns for some reason, I don't want to be stabbed 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Chubba]
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yah, having your gut ripped open would suck a lot more than ,perhaps, a through and through. well, probably.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10430750 - 05/31/09 06:27 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Knives are easier to get.
Knives are easier to conceal.
Knives will be pulled out sooner in a confrontation then a gun, shit I've even had a 12yo kid pull a knife on me (I just jogged away, his little fat legs couldn't catch a trained athlete).
I feel no safer with harsh gun control...? If someone was going to pull a gun on you, they will pull a knife twice as fast anyway and be more inclined to use it.
It's just an illusion of safety, at any point someone could stab you in the neck with a screwdriver or leatherman tool etc, you can king hit someone in the back of the head with your fist and deliver a fatal hit... meh.
Just so you know, you're not allowed a knife in public in Australia either
Everyone abides by these laws
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10430840 - 05/31/09 06:42 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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mr_kite said:
When has a massacre been carried out by an established criminal? Theyre kids man.
You must be joking... right?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10431165 - 05/31/09 07:46 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
they dont look disarmed to me...
the general public is disarmed, for some reason the criminals didnt listen
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Az0th]
#10431181 - 05/31/09 07:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shroomism said:
Or is that what happens when you have severely corrupt politics?
You think no gun control would have stopped those deaths from occurring?
I think the citizens would have staged a revolt
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10431187 - 05/31/09 07:49 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
yah, having your gut ripped open would suck a lot more than ,perhaps, a through and through. well, probably.
I've been cut and shot, gunshots heal faster and hurt less, they require less surgery in most cases
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10431197 - 05/31/09 07:51 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Az0th]
#10431213 - 05/31/09 07:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Shroomism said:
Samurais knew what was up
yep, disarm the populace and cut them in half any time they pleased
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Az0th]
#10431214 - 05/31/09 07:55 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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if you dont mind me asking, where were you shot?
edit: post pics if youve got em
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10431239 - 05/31/09 07:59 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
if you dont mind me asking, where were you shot?
edit: post pics if youve got em
I was shot in kosovo
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10431266 - 05/31/09 08:04 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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ha!  i meant where on your body but you probably got that...
are you the fifth to the right?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10431286 - 05/31/09 08:07 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Big_Whoop]
#10431298 - 05/31/09 08:09 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Big_Whoop said:
ha! i meant where on your body but you probably got that...
are you the fifth to the right?
tiny bastard, center
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10431937 - 05/31/09 10:17 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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My argument wasn't about industrialization, but looking for what motivates an indivual to collect guns. They're not art; swords in some cases were art, but I doubt I can say the same of guns. So, why? Because having many guns means you have a big e-penis?
I would also had that if more people were paranoid, the world would be a nightmare, and people would try to control everything, since the world is so unsafe. Next time I'll go out, I'll be wearing a helmet, bullet-proof vest, two guns, two knives. But what if I get stabbed from behind? Brrr, I should stay at home.
Look at the numbers, too, not only percentages.
Murder with firearms (per capita)
UK: 0.00102579 per 1,000 people
US: 0.0279271 per 1,000 people
A clear difference which seems more relevant than the ranking (as you go on with the list, differences are much less significant).
The number of guns is not completely relevant, since many owners have more than a gun, and many guns are bought "just in case", while guns in countries where they are prohibited are bought for certain purposes.
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Prisoner#1 said:
the government has more power, gaining more every day, I wonder
why a few presidents have warned us about the NRA, are they
paranoid, we also elected Obama, of course when you go back an
look at those statistics again, you'll see that france is in the
top 50 nations with a high murder rate at #40, and you guys are
trying to make america ban guns because you feel unsafe, you
showed your support for the puppet called Obama and you expect
us to see your views as sensible... france has a 32% firearms
ownership rate, whay hasnt france banned guns? why does the
foreign legion consist of non french citizens, many of whom are
criminals that the french government arms
Well, we can discuss France's problems in another thread if you wish.
We don't feel particulary unsafe, I personnally think guns should be banned, but I'm not American and I would let Americans do what they want to do - except when they ignore the UN and bomb Irak.
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Prisoner#1 said:this is about the US citizens right to bare arms, not about the
military industrial complex, who comprises the NRA and the gun
lobby, US Citizens, the same ones that read the 2nd Amendment of
the constitution as being "A well regulated Militia, being
necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the
people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." so it
seems it's also our government that espouses the rights, not
just the gun manufacturers
The right to bear arms feeds the military-industrial complex into becoming always bigger.
About the accident during the military drill, I'm sorry but it's not relevant. Military personel. I don't know why it happenned, but I don't think it shows any major problem with the french army. Oh wait, are you using the "I-have-a-bigger-e-penis-argument"?
Why are you speaking to me as "France"? I'm participating as a person.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: wireless]
#10431975 - 05/31/09 10:26 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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wireless said:
I love when people throw out the LOOK HOW MANY GUNS KILL PEOPLE statistic. Why don't you look up how many of those guns are ILLEGAL and then compare the statistics to other countries. OH YA that's right fucker. Gun murder has NOTHING to do with people legally caring guns. It has to do with the deep routed gang life and organized crime than choses guns as number one method of representation. You want to make this country safer? Make all states SHALL ISSUE with background/mental health check. Putting legal restrictions of guns does nothing to stop violence because guns have been around FOREVER and there is nothing you can do to take them back. Stealing rights from people who should be able to have guns only makes your life and your children's more endangered because people who can legally carry guns are barred or restricted from doing so while the criminals carry them anywhere and everywhere.
Guns are no different than drugs. Any piece of shit that says guns need to be restricted completely forgot how the trade works. Guns and Drugs are not going anywhere from prohibition. Regulated, tax, control, educate. We will live in a much safer place.
That being said, I can't fucking wait for california to become Shall issue. I am had to spend $5000 to get my CCS because of our bullshit May Issue laws and now when I move counties I am going to have to do it ALL over again. Fucking STUPID. At least make my license STATE wide and not county. Does one sherrif's moral judgment not equate to places outside of a legislative's imaginary boarder? Mother fuckers. Mother fuckers...
Why are you so aggressive? Why do guns bring passion to your heart?
Also, add numbers to your arguments, please. Sources too, maybe (I use the same one as Pris).
You kind of forget too that criminals aren't a race, every person in every family could be a criminal. having a gun just makes it all easier, one trigger closer...
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
#10432014 - 05/31/09 10:31 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't own guns because I feel it makes my e-penis bigger. I really really dislike that argument.
I like guns because I enjoy the sporting aspect. I enjoy going out to the range and shooting targets. Why? Because it is fun, why does anybody do anything?
Also I disagree about guns not being art. There are many highly sought after and rare guns that people collect.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
#10432108 - 05/31/09 10:48 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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I have lots of guns because you use a different gun for different things.
some of mine are antique too.
some I just wanted.
why collect so many stamps or coins???
because you enjoy it.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: joe666]
#10432153 - 05/31/09 10:56 PM (3 years, 11 months ago) |
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Stamps and coins weren't made to kill.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Kukaracha]
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