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 mr_kite
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 Guns don't kill people... 
#10423581 - 05/30/09 04:56 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Guns don't kill people, people do, the NRA is fond of spouting. But surely the gun helps. It'd be pretty hard to just stand there, shout bang, and people drop dead, unless they've got a very weak heart. As Eddie Izzard says.
I guess I just don't understand why people arent willing to make a small personal sacrifice so that less people every year get killed. A crazyyoung dude may not have the balls/willingness to go to the black market to get a gun, but if his grandad's got an uzi locked in a cupboard, he's much more likely have a crack at that.
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 Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423583 - 05/30/09 04:57 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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i love my gun.
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mr_kite
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You mean your penis?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423602 - 05/30/09 05:05 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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You mean your penis?
Way to come off as a douche.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423619 - 05/30/09 05:12 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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no i mean my .38 revolver.
and yeah its not like i go around shooting innocent people whats your problem?
im guessing you dont own a gun? its really not a big deal at all...it is just like drugs man..all about being responsible.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423662 - 05/30/09 05:30 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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i think its more about our right to have them anything else. i dont personally own a gun, but i like knowing i have the option should i want one.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: wrestler_az]
#10423687 - 05/30/09 05:38 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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its to protect your rights from tyrant governments and petty criminals(same thing). Anything can be used as a weapon. Think of all the deaths and increased crime rate if criminals(government) knew we didn't have a firearm.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: wrestler_az]
#10423718 - 05/30/09 05:42 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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Yeah but would you not be willing to give up that right to save peoples lives? Think about it black and white: on the one hand you have a gun to call your own, on the other you got two dozen people. Which do you choose to keep
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mr_kite
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Think of all the deaths and increased crime rate if criminals(government) knew we didn't have a firearm.
Thats just scaremongering and complete fabrication...murder rates are higher in the US than in countries where guns are prohibited
In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) – a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.
In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) – a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423739 - 05/30/09 05:48 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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mr_kite said:
Yeah but would you not be willing to give up that right to save peoples lives?
The people who would be willing to give up that right are not the people who would be killing others with guns in the first place.
As for me, you can take my gun away if you can pry it from my cold, dead hands. 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423746 - 05/30/09 05:49 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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What do you mean? If people want to kill, they'll find a way. A thief won't walk in the bank with a banana under his shirt; he'll bust in with a homemade explosive -- that is, if all of the guns floating around your region are confiscated somehow. Which isn't possible. There are too many manufactured weapons, and most of their owners wouldn't hand them over politely.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423760 - 05/30/09 05:55 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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mr_kite said:
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bloomersooner said:
Think of all the deaths and increased crime rate if criminals(government) knew we didn't have a firearm.
Thats just scaremongering and complete fabrication...murder rates are higher in the US than in countries where guns are prohibited
In the UK (population c. 60.5m) there were 765 reported incidents of murder for 2005-6 (Home Office, undated) � a rate of about 1.1 per 100,000.
In the US (population c. 298.5m) there were an estimated 16,137 homicides in 2004 (FBI, 2006a) � a rate of about 5.4 per 100,000. Of these, 10,654 were carried out with guns (FBI, 2006b).
Hmm, those numbers are pretty convincing ... 
Maybe guns do make all the difference, at least in terms of homicide. They definitely make murder effortless and efficient. 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Cameron]
#10423765 - 05/30/09 05:58 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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What do you mean? If people want to kill, they'll find a way. A thief won't walk in the bank with a banana under his shirt; he'll bust in with a homemade explosive.
Yeah but my original point, surely a gun helps. The fact they're everywhere makes it easier so it happens more often. Am I missing something or is that not the most simple example of logic ever? 
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423772 - 05/30/09 06:03 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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a+b=«?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: deCypher]
#10423776 - 05/30/09 06:04 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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The people who would be willing to give up that right are not the people who would be killing others with guns in the first place.
Yeah but you didn't read my post. How often is there a massacre? Where do the mentalists get their weapons? Most often they steal them from uncle or grandad. Maybe pops isnt going to shoot anyone but the more guns there are, the easier it is for crazy folk to get them (see: logic)
Even if that only saves 20 lives a year, is that not worth it, from a human being to a human being point of view?
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: Cameron]
#10423779 - 05/30/09 06:05 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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yup. i didnt see your post before i replied
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423784 - 05/30/09 06:08 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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mr_kite said: How often is there a massacre? Where do the mentalists get their weapons? Most often they steal them from uncle or grandad. Maybe pops isnt going to shoot anyone but the more guns there are, the easier it is for crazy folk to get them (see: logic)
Granted, but banning guns ensure that only the baddies in organized crime and with access to black markets will have them.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: mr_kite]
#10423790 - 05/30/09 06:11 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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I believe the 20.6 million hunters in the U.S. may have a problem with your logic.
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Re: Guns don't kill people... [Re: grewya]
#10423794 - 05/30/09 06:15 AM (4 years, 19 days ago) |
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