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 Help Identifying mushrooms 
#10312907 - 05/09/09 03:31 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Habitat: I found them growing on a hillside where birch trees once grew but were grinded up and used as fertilizer, there was also actual fertilizer used.
Gills: They are a Cinnamon brownish color, pretty bunched together.
Stem: The stems are slender and thin, whiteish brown and hollow
Cap: As in the pictures the cap is very light brown on the outsides with the center a darker brown
Spore print: The print on the paper towel was a brownish color looks like it can have purple in it, gonna do an actual test to find out for sure.
Smell: Well they don't smell too pleasant, when smelled from the baggy they gave off a kinda shitty odor.
I posted two pictures aswell, hopefully that'll help along with the info given, thanks!
Edited by Bretdaniel (05/09/09 08:02 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10313038 - 05/09/09 04:09 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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Is there some sort of information that I'm missing? I read the FAQ on how to post and whatnot, so if I didn't include anything please tell.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10313058 - 05/09/09 04:13 PM (4 years, 12 days ago) |
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not active.....agrocybe maybe?
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Hmm I don't think so, I was looking at pictures of the argocybe and there isn't much of a resemblance. When I saw this picture they look almost identical. If you look at the pictures of the caps above and the caps in the picture they are identical.
http://nepenthes.lycaeum.org/Plants/Images/Psilocybe.caerulipes.jpg
Edited by Bretdaniel (05/09/09 04:29 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10313153 - 05/09/09 04:39 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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A little extra info that might help is for about a week there we had really humid hot weather, the hillside they were on got a perfect amount of sunlight and shade, because that was the only thing off from the Blue-foot's was a season, but a week or so there it was that season. I'll take a picture of two of them in their habitat and post them later.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10313240 - 05/09/09 05:01 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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your spore print is brown, what color is psilocybe caerulipes spore print? probably a dark purple, no blue bruising?..so its probably not caerulipes. but i could be wrong , ive never even seen one. lets see what the pros say.
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When does blue bruising usually occur? I was researching it on the web and everything I read points to it being a blue-foot psilocybe only thing I didn't see is the bruising. This is the spot I found them growing in a cluster, the only spot on the hill. I know that there was alot of birch trees here about 3 or so months ago so it should be in the soil, there was also fertilizer like I said. When I seen them today they looked like they were dying seeing the temp hasn't been in the 90's with humidity.
Now I found this picture and I noticed that the more mature ones have the blue bruising but the younger ones don't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Psilocybe_Caerulipes.jpg
Edited by Bretdaniel (05/09/09 06:50 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10313731 - 05/09/09 07:23 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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I believe that it is not Psilocybe Caerulipes. The spore print would have been purple
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: ABC]
#10313785 - 05/09/09 07:41 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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There was a semi-print on the paper towel and when compared to a purplish-brown mushroom print it looks the same, I'm taking a definable one now so I'll see in a few hours.
Edited by Bretdaniel (05/09/09 08:01 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314317 - 05/09/09 10:12 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Can I get any opinion from a Trusted identifier?
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314349 - 05/09/09 10:18 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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It could be Leratiomyces ceres.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: inski]
#10314375 - 05/09/09 10:24 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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It doesn't look like those type, of all the research so far I put into it they have everything in common with Psilocybe caerulipes the only thing that was different was there is no blue bruises on the stem, are there any look alikes?
Edited by Bretdaniel (05/09/09 10:32 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314403 - 05/09/09 10:31 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Not really, you already said it was purple brown!
Make one anyway!
Are the young fresh specimens a red colour?
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: inski]
#10314425 - 05/09/09 10:35 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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The younger fresh ones I found are almost identical to the adults the only difference is the cap is more rounded, still have the dark brown center with the light brown around the edges. I was looking into the Psilocybe caerulipes and they have everything in common with those except the blue bruising.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314447 - 05/09/09 10:40 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
Bretdaniel said:
When does blue bruising usually occur? I was researching it on the web and everything I read points to it being a blue-foot psilocybe only thing I didn't see is the bruising. This is the spot I found them growing in a cluster, the only spot on the hill. I know that there was alot of birch trees here about 3 or so months ago so it should be in the soil, there was also fertilizer like I said. When I seen them today they looked like they were dying seeing the temp hasn't been in the 90's with humidity.
Now I found this picture and I noticed that the more mature ones have the blue bruising but the younger ones don't.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Psilocybe_Caerulipes.jpg
With as many mushrooms as you have in your habitat shot, if it were an active woodlover, some of those mushrooms would very likely show some bruising, on the cap or the stem, as you've seen none, it is not very likely that it is caerulipes.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314455 - 05/09/09 10:43 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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I can tell you for certain, it is not Psilocybe caerulipes,
I suspect it is either a Stropharia species or a Leratiomyces species.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: falcon]
#10314466 - 05/09/09 10:46 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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I have a few drying out as well trying to get a good spore print of one, a few look like they might have blue bruising starting but I can't tell without a magnifying glass, this is a close up of one that I took, looks like it was starting to die though.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314497 - 05/09/09 10:54 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Yep, not caerulipes.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314504 - 05/09/09 10:56 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Dont have an exact name? Do you think they don't have the blue bruising because they are still small? Or do they show signs immediately?
Edited by Bretdaniel (05/09/09 10:59 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314518 - 05/09/09 10:58 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Does the surface of the cap have fine brown fibrills(hairs) on it?
It may be Lacrymaria velutina.
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Edited by inski (05/09/09 10:59 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314520 - 05/09/09 10:59 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Nope, if they fruit some more post some pics of some younger ones, it would help with the ID.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: inski]
#10314526 - 05/09/09 11:00 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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There is no fine hairs on the cap, the cap is smooth. Do you think they won't show bruising because they are still young and not mature? I also put a few in a pot with the soil they were buried in along with some birch tree at the bottom. I'll let them grow and see what happens.
Edited by Bretdaniel (05/09/09 11:01 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314535 - 05/09/09 11:01 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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No , there is no blue bruising because it is not active, doesn't contain psilocin/psilocybin.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314577 - 05/09/09 11:11 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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So do they become active with age or does it have to be there from the start? I'm just interested in finding out what they are exactly now. Here is some pictures of the younger ones:
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314613 - 05/09/09 11:23 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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No, you have to find the right genus of mushrooms for them to be active, the chemicals are present from the beginning!
From the look of your new images I am sticking with Leratiomyces ceres.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314620 - 05/09/09 11:24 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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They are active from the start. Still not sure what the are, the pics need more detail.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: falcon]
#10314704 - 05/09/09 11:41 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Hmm well is it hard to come by active mushrooms? Where do active mushrooms normally grow, like in what kind of habitat? I look at pictures of Leratiomyces ceres though the stems seem too thick, these stems are thin and hollow. I have few in a pot that I'll let grow, plus if they are Leratiomyces ceres are the considered harmful?
Edited by Bretdaniel (05/09/09 11:42 PM)
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314793 - 05/09/09 11:57 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Quote:
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Hmm well is it hard to come by active mushrooms? Where do active mushrooms normally grow, like in what kind of habitat? I look at pictures of Leratiomyces ceres though the stems seem too thick, these stems are thin and hollow. I have few in a pot that I'll let grow, plus if they are Leratiomyces ceres are the considered harmful?
Check out the links on this page, there is a lot of info to digest, but if you study this a little it will make hunting for actives easier and should answer your first two questions.
http://www.shroomery.org/6235/Mushroom-Hunting-FAQ://
Yeah, those last pics of the younger mushrooms don't look like Leratiomyces ceres. Not sure what you mean by harmful, is it toxic?, I'm not sure, I don't think anyone is eating them, they are not considered edible.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: Bretdaniel]
#10314805 - 05/09/09 11:58 PM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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It will not kill you if it is indeed Leratiomyces ceres, the diameter of the stem of this mushroom can range between 3-8mm and can be hollow!
It may make you a bit sick but you will not die!
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: inski]
#10314965 - 05/10/09 12:32 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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Well after looking at a spore print and asking 2 other people they think It looks like a brown with a tint of purple in it.
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Re: Help Identifying mushrooms [Re: inski]
#10314995 - 05/10/09 12:39 AM (4 years, 11 days ago) |
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This is the correct spore deposit colour for all of the mushrooms mentioned above!
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