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Kukaracha said:
I didn't like Advent Children. It sucked.

It was like, "hey FFVII is over" then "oh wait... I see $$$ there... hey guys, look, look Sephiroth is not dead, pretty graphic designs!"
I just considered it fanboy masturbatory material.

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On a Way to a Smile is a collection of seven short stories written by Kazushige Nojima the scenario writer for the RPG Final Fantasy VII and its spin-off movie Advent Children. Each story takes a look at how the characters have been doing in the two year gap between the end of the original FFVII story and the beginning of the movie Advent Children. The collection started off on the internet where the very first story Case of Denzel was initially split into four chapters, the first being published onto the official Japanese FFVII: Advent Children website on September 5th 2005, a week before the release of the long anticipated CG movie. Over the two weeks that followed up until the movie's release, the remaining chapters were also uploaded.

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Kukaracha said:
Well, Advent Children had pretty much nothing to do there. Final Fantasy VII was a story in its whole. There even was a video with Nanaki at the end of the credits where you could see an abandoned Midgar, in a "the end" way.

I mean, wtf, they put three emo guys, an "unknown person", a resurrected Sephiroth, a virus, and the story is back on tracks? No it's not. The original was beautiful, it had a powerful story and a rich backround which left many questions unanswered. It had a particular feeling, it was older in the way that there was less hype around it. A few fancy haircuts left aside, many things were left as simple, and darker. You could visit a brothel in the slums and such.

Advent Children was made for fanboys. Why? It's pretty, everything is "badass", you have some nice matrix slo-mo action, you have a comeback of many characters, even Rufus and Sephiroth are there just to make everything even more badass.

Do you get my point? Ok, it's cool but it's empty. It's like making a Lord of the Rings II : Frodo's comeback, where a Frodo whith dark glasses and superpowers would come back to kill a badass Sauron. Saruman's back too; in fact,everyone is back in one epic battle. At the end of this battle, everything goes back to normal and I think, damn that was quite useless. Square Enix is just raping the shit out of the original story with all those games and movies and whatever. I'll just stick to the original story, if they want to make it a tale where popstars fight other popstars, fine...

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Kukaracha said:
Well, Advent Children had pretty much nothing to do there. Final Fantasy VII was a story in its whole. There even was a video with Nanaki at the end of the credits where you could see an abandoned Midgar, in a "the end" way.

I mean, wtf, they put three emo guys, an "unknown person", a resurrected Sephiroth, a virus, and the story is back on tracks? No it's not. The original was beautiful, it had a powerful story and a rich backround which left many questions unanswered. It had a particular feeling, it was older in the way that there was less hype around it. A few fancy haircuts left aside, many things were left as simple, and darker. You could visit a brothel in the slums and such.

Advent Children was made for fanboys. Why? It's pretty, everything is "badass", you have some nice matrix slo-mo action, you have a comeback of many characters, even Rufus and Sephiroth are there just to make everything even more badass.

Do you get my point? Ok, it's cool but it's empty. It's like making a Lord of the Rings II : Frodo's comeback, where a Frodo whith dark glasses and superpowers would come back to kill a badass Sauron. Saruman's back too; in fact,everyone is back in one epic battle. At the end of this battle, everything goes back to normal and I think, damn that was quite useless. Square Enix is just raping the shit out of the original story with all those games and movies and whatever. I'll just stick to the original story, if they want to make it a tale where popstars fight other popstars, fine...

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Kukaracha said:
No, I don't think that being badass is a quality. And when I say "pretty graphics" it's to point out that it can be really nice in the outside, hiding a poor quality inside.

Cartoons for kids are badass. I don't want badass. I want no superpowered heroes, I don't want them to have cool poses, I don't want unlimited explosions. It's ridiculous!
I don't want a story to be cool, I want it to be deep and to fill me with emotions. I want weak heroes, I want humanity in them, I want them to fail, I want something simple, no fancy explosions, no poweranger poses.

I don't want to see power and cool stuff and cool fights, I want to see a meaningful journey to have beautiful dreams myself. Something that makes me wonder, like a wonderful painting, and not something that excites me like a badass movie or a porn movie.
If I want to be excited, I'll watch porn or Pulp Fiction or 300... but in the case of FFVII, it's not really what I expect.
Everything comes down to what I expect from the original game actually.

Now, what I don't like about the spinoffs, as I already mentioned it, is that the game was a whole already. I don't see the point of any spinoffs, especially in the future of FFVII, except making money out of hungry fans.

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Have you even played the original game? I'm beginning to wonder...it sounds as if you would despise everything about the game except the storyline.

But, to each their own I suppose. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

There are plenty of other people that enjoy Advent Children with me.

I just have to ask one question though...why can't something be badassed, cool, deep, and emotional at the same time?

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rhyumavampire said:
There are plenty of other people that enjoy Advent Children with me.

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it wasn't perfect, but i very much enjoyed it