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 Bugzy
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 Rye>Coir/coffee 
#10147131 - 04/11/09 12:53 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been looking for a good Coir/coffee tek, but like other topics, trying too find an up-to date and reliable method has just been controversial.
If anyone has a recommendation for a good tek that explains the following, I would appreciate it, thanks.
- Rye to coir ratio
- total substrate thickness w/spawn
- coffee to coir ratio
- gypsum to sub ratio (which I havnt looked up yet, I'll look in a sec)
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: Bugzy]
#10147270 - 04/11/09 01:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I have been using a 60/40 mixture of coir to verm. Add about 1pt of coffee to the mix and 1/4c of gypsum. This is what I have been using with great results. If you are using grain, try boiling the grain in deluded coffee. Helps to speed up the colonization process.
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: Bugzy]
#10147290 - 04/11/09 01:23 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use one part coffee grounds to 4 or 5 parts coir. I like a rich spawn ratio, maybe 1 half-pint jar to two cups of coir/coffee. That's probably overkill, but it works for me.
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
#10147351 - 04/11/09 01:41 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I use 1 quart coffee grounds, 1 quart verm, 1 brick of coir.
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: Doc_T]
#10147441 - 04/11/09 02:02 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Starrider- already ahead of ya on the coffee soak of my grains, but if I do the soak, would I still need to add the grounds to the substrate? The last thing I want too do is use too much coffee.
Any takes on Large_Dose's tek?
-18g tub/4.5"sub-
- 6qts spawn to-
- 1 brick coir
- 1qt coffee
- 1qt verm ( not sure of preffered grade, assuming medium)
with the addition of RR's recommendation of 10% gypsum by volume
I know Im forgetting somthing, but I can post it later if i need too.
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Edited by Bugzy (04/11/09 03:33 PM)
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: Bugzy]
#10147448 - 04/11/09 02:04 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Iamabannana, lol, what size tub do you use and how thick is your substrate?
I was posting the same time as you, otherwise I would of added that in.
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: Bugzy]
#10147812 - 04/11/09 02:58 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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first time but i did 2 bricks coir, 2qrts coffee(spent), 2qrts verm, 1qrt gypsum, 6qrts spawn, also did a casing layer 50/50+
i started by getting a huge pot, boiled a gallon of water with 1qrts coffee ground in it, once boil break up 1 brick coir and add it until all the water is absorbed, then dump in monotub, add 1qrts verm and 2 pints gypsum, mix, put top on and repeat .... let cool..add spawn.......then start a new tub
dont know how its gonna do, but thats what i did
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keep me updated on that, I m going to be startin as soon as I get a PC.
Are you using two tubs or 1 big tub? And what was your strain of choice?
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dude... is one interesting tek...
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again i'm new my first grow, but i'm using a monotub, the top of my substrate is about 5inch, so i cut 2 inch hole starting at 6inch or maybe 6 1/2, i'll have to look.......think they are 18gallon tubs.....i've got a couple going, but all cubes.........look up this dude: spongiform, he was the one that i mimicked, he has several grows with this setup, but again i dont know crap just learning so.........
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Bugzy said:
I have been looking for a good Coir/coffee tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9550267
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: Bugzy]
#10148135 - 04/11/09 04:19 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bugzy said:
The last thing I want too do is use too much coffee.
I think RR has grown on straight coffee grounds so probly impossible to use too much.
I add one tablespoon used grounds per pint jar of WBS and I plan on increasing the ratio till I see a reason not too. I also simmered for 10 min in potato broth, hoping it will help speed colonization, will know in about a week.
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: dead]
#10148152 - 04/11/09 04:22 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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dead said:
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Bugzy said:
I have been looking for a good Coir/coffee tek
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9550267
This is good for a 'mini-bulk grow' but I dislike your addition of vermiculite into the mix...
Also, why would you use unspent coffee? It has an acidic pH (you would need something to balance that out) and it will have the same nitrogen levels as spent coffee.
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: dead]
#10148190 - 04/11/09 04:33 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I forgot about RR's coffee experiment, I was more or less concerned about the higher chance of contam w/ more coffee.
Johnwayne- good luck with your project(s), I would like too see some pics after you get it goin.
Overman- update me on the potato broth tek, Im curious about that method. Iv only heard it mentioned a few times, but no conclusions. Have you tried pasteurizing your sub mix in 50/50 coffee water?
And lastly (for now), any preferences on fresh grounds vs. spent?
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: Bugzy]
#10148199 - 04/11/09 04:35 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Damn it, did it again. whats the Ph difference in spent/unspent grounds?
I was under the impression 5.5-6 Ph was good for myc growth....?
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neopet nub said:
This is good for a 'mini-bulk grow' but I dislike your addition of vermiculite into the mix...
Also, why would you use unspent coffee? It has an acidic pH (you would need something to balance that out) and it will have the same nitrogen levels as spent coffee.
You can multiply the ingredients for any amount of substrate. It says so on the recipe.
I use unspent coffee because I have good results on it. It is explained on the recipe. You add lots of water at the pasteurization phase, then afterwards you pour & squeeze the excess water out. This process flushes the excess nitrogen from the substrate.
Also vermiculite is added for two reasons: 1) cubensis mycelium really really likes vermiculite and 2) to fluff up the substrate, improve the texture. Trust me, I've had a lot better results with verm added than without verm.
Also, acidic pH does not matter. Cubensis prefers an acidic substrate. If you wish you can add some gypsum in the mix, but it's not mandatory.
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didnt see the next post
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: overman]
#10148243 - 04/11/09 04:47 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bugzy said:
The last thing I want too do is use too much coffee.
I think RR has grown on straight coffee grounds so probly impossible to use too much.
I add one tablespoon used grounds per pint jar of WBS and I plan on increasing the ratio till I see a reason not too. I also simmered for 10 min in potato broth, hoping it will help speed colonization, will know in about a week.
HIs conclusion was about 33% was a good ration of sub to coffee grounds.
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: Bugzy]
#10148246 - 04/11/09 04:49 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Bugzy said:
Overman- update me on the potato broth tek, Im curious about that method. Iv only heard it mentioned a few times, but no conclusions. Have you tried pasteurizing your sub mix in 50/50 coffee water?
And lastly (for now), any preferences on fresh grounds vs. spent?
Potato broth is how they make PDA = Potato Dextrose Agar, of course you need a few other ingredients, but this has been done for quite awhile.
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Re: Rye>Coir/coffee [Re: oddiseus]
#10148252 - 04/11/09 04:52 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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I suck at percentages, Im guessing 1:3 coffee grounds/sub ratio?
Do you add the gypsum at 10% volume of just the sub, or the total volume of sub/spwn combined? I suppose it would only be of the sub if I were to add the Gypsum to my jars.
Whats a rule of thumb for spawning coir w/ additives.... 1:3, 1:2? I know the basic rule of thumb for spawning to sub is 1:4, but maybe there is a better ratio for coir itself
The grounds themselves also offer multiple nutes for growth correct?
I ll have too look that potato thing up
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Edited by Bugzy (04/11/09 05:04 PM)
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