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 Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer  [Re: F0SS1L]
#10056597 - 03/27/09 10:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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F0SS1L said:
So potheads and the online community don't count? If those people aren't important than who is?
lobbyists, washington insiders, huge multinational corporations,
the wealthy and of course those that pledge their undying devotion
to the Obamessiah
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10056645 - 03/27/09 10:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly my point. These people have politicians in their back pocket because all they see is dollar signs, but somehow stoners are abusing the system. What a crock of shit.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: F0SS1L]
#10056881 - 03/27/09 10:56 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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F0SS1L said:
Exactly my point. These people have politicians in their back pocket because all they see is dollar signs, but somehow stoners are abusing the system. What a crock of shit.
Quoted for truth. We need a huge, HUGE White House smoke out.
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Knifey Mcstab
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: supernovasky]
#10056920 - 03/27/09 11:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think it was a blatant disregard for the question. Obviously it was voted to the top because people wanted a serious and concise answer, not to be made a mockery of. It's as though he wished to dismiss questions asked online as less important, and less relevant than questions asked in person. I think he should do some serious thinking on the issue and come up with a more thoughtful response deserving of the question proposed.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: F0SS1L]
#10056940 - 03/27/09 11:08 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck, i love how people on the shroomery often miss the stated point in an argument and focus on less important issues, so often.
Main Point: Legalization is not the answer to the economy.
2nd point: Stoners are organizing through a digital means to bombard Obama every chance they get. It is not representative of "the marjority of americans."
(i had a friend do the same thing to win an online art contest...)
3rd point - the drug war likely makes as much money, as legalization of marijuana would. Making this argument pointless.
So immediate rebuttal:
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besides that viewpoint (answer to taxpayers, not stoners) is fucking ignorant. The government is in place to protect the people, not just the people with money. I fail to see what my personal freedoms have to do with which tax bracket I'm in.
The government is not necessarily in place to protect the people.
The government is in place to serve the taxpayers.
Bottom line - the people who are sitting around bombarding obama with pro legalization messages, are likely not the most productive or contributing members of society. I assume alot of them are KIDS sitting in their parents home.
My stance on the issues:
I am extremely supportive of personal freedoms, and disagree wholly with the severe penalties non violent drug offenders receive in the US. I am completely against the drug war. I am a responsible drug user.
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The anti-prohibition movement has been criticized for not being active enough. "Pot will never be legalized because most stoners just sit around and get high." And the same has been said about young voters. They're too apathetic to even voice their opinion... Well maybe this is the reason why.
This is a; "which came first, the chicken or the egg." argument.
How many of the people bombarding obama with a pro legalization message have actually done anything smart/productive within the social framework we are working in, to promote awareness regarding drug decriminalization, or legalization? Very few i am guessing.
You voiced your opinion and didn't like the answer your received. Its childish to lash back.
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And if Obama wants to answer to taxpayers rather than stoned teenagers maybe he should explain why billions are wasted every year on marijuana prohibition alone.
This doesn't make sense. How does answering that question have anything to do with who he responds to?
Conclusion:
Anyways, besides all this - legalization is not a miracle cure to fix the economy.
I agree - legalization and taxation makes sense in alot of ways, and if a proposal was put fourth and considered that was reasonable, i would strongly consider it
It is worth taking into account the bureaucracy in changing international drug laws and instituting a harm reductionist approach. It would take a long period of time to institute such a change + i believe the US gov. was intending to find something more immediate to help the economy.
You all are forgetting that this is unknown territory.
Its a bunch of stoners screaming legalization without thinking about it the entire situation in an objective way.
Everyone posting seems to feel threatened and attacked because their liberty is violated by the government.
Rightfully so.
But that doesn't mean that immediate marijuana legalization will fix the us economy.
Its just not so, Kids.
Also remember that having Gil kerolowski (or whatever his last name is) as Drug Czar is awesome. - I dont Obama is necessarily "hard on drugs" but simply being reasonable.
Can you not see that?
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Knifey Mcstab
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: PDU]
#10057034 - 03/27/09 11:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not sure where you're coming from calling us kids. First and foremost I'm not a kid, I'm an adult who pays my own bills and works my fucking ass off everyday just so I can have a place to live. Secondly, I don't even smoke pot but once in a blue moon, I just happen to very much be for its legalization.
I didn't disagree with his opinion so much as I disagreed with the way he took the question as if it wasn't serious and he could just ridicule it with a laugh and a one sentence answer. It's like he considered the people asking questions on his website to be of less importance than someone directly asking him a question in person.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: Knifey Mcstab]
#10057078 - 03/27/09 11:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mandrake - i am sorry - i take back the kids comment. You are completely right.
(don't you hate when you get emotionally charged in an argument and react imperfectly!?)
Also, i hear you about him laughing - but, i also see where he's comming from. I wasn't offended by that, but i am also not a pot smoker.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: PDU]
#10057079 - 03/27/09 11:33 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck, i love how people on the shroomery often miss the stated point in an argument and focus on less important issues, so often.
Main Point: Legalization is not the answer to the economy.
2nd point: Stoners are organizing through a digital means to bombard Obama every chance they get. It is not representative of "the marjority of americans."
(i had a friend do the same thing to win an online art contest...)
3rd point - the drug war likely makes as much money, as legalization of marijuana would. Making this argument pointless.
So immediate rebuttal:
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besides that viewpoint (answer to taxpayers, not stoners) is fucking ignorant. The government is in place to protect the people, not just the people with money. I fail to see what my personal freedoms have to do with which tax bracket I'm in.
The government is not necessarily in place to protect the people.
The government is in place to serve the taxpayers.
Bottom line - the people who are sitting around bombarding obama with pro legalization messages, are likely not the most productive or contributing members of society. I assume alot of them are KIDS sitting in their parents home.
The important issues always need brought up. The economy is one benefit, this and industrial hemp(can be used from plastics, to food, to fuel, amazing plant)
We are, good, big corporations and religious organizations lobby for their interests, why not stoners? Must stoners are tax payers, why do you keep acting like we are not, and that this is all kids? Most stoners I know are adults, your prejudices are full of ignorance.
The drug war looses money, I don't know what idiot bug crawled in your brain. Just look at the normal $$ counter. The few bucks we snag here and there are not near what it costs, not to mention drawing attention from real crimes.
The government does not serve tax payers, by that logic those who pay more taxes should get more votes, not that a vote means shit anyway. Obama is just Buildaberg NWO scum like Clinton and Bush I & II.
The gov was set up to protect all people, he Framers made that abundantly clear. I don't know how people can even say what you say without being on life support. Income tax was, and is unconstitutional(direct, unapportioned tax, even with an amendment allowing income tax, is still illegal unless it is made to be apportioned), and didn't even come about until the 20th century anyway; also, they wouldn't look down on people who lived in a way that they did not pay taxes as the frontiersmen did. The true spark of freedom and want to advance in the country is dead if we think like you.
I'm not sorry for my insults, many things are not as two-way as Americans try to think, while also attempting yo be opinionated. Much of the opinion is bad science(bad general logic, misinformation, etc.).
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: Prisoner#1]
#10057105 - 03/27/09 11:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said:
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F0SS1L said:
So potheads and the online community don't count? If those people aren't important than who is?
lobbyists, washington insiders, huge multinational corporations,
the wealthy and of course those that pledge their undying devotion
to the Obamessiah
The thing that breaks our hearts, is obama said he would do away with these ppl. They funded your campaign but didnt vote you in... UT OH.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer *DELETED* [Re: Shr00mZ]
#10057156 - 03/27/09 11:49 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: Ferris]
#10057205 - 03/28/09 12:04 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Right under the story
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: PDU]
#10057207 - 03/28/09 12:07 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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No, it's all good dude. I'm sure there are a lot of kids like you described but I just wanted a straight answer and not some cop-out like he gave.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: doom876]
#10057221 - 03/28/09 12:12 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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The important issues always need brought up.
There's a time and a place. This was the wrong time and place + makes stoners look immature and incompetent. Doing this, like this just adds creedence to the preconceptions most people already have of stoners.
The economy is one benefit, this and industrial hemp(can be used from plastics, to food, to fuel, amazing plant)
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organizations lobby for their interests, why not stoners?
Time and place. There's a right way to go about this. (although i admit that the establishment often has deaf ears when people do speak up.)
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I don't know what idiot bug crawled in your brain. Just look at the normal $$ counter. The few bucks we snag here and there are not near what it costs, not to mention drawing attention from real crimes.
I wonder how the economic stimulus from marijuana taxation would compare with the profits from the military industrial complex, and prison system. - i am uncertain of the specifics of "making money" from prison, but it certainly does create alot of jobs.. + the gov. sure does like to perpetuate these industries.
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The government does not serve tax payers,
Roads, fire department, FDA, etc... you as a tax payer get a hell of alot from the government. You might want to think twice before making a blanket statement like this.
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The true spark of freedom and want to advance in the country is dead if we think like you.
Its dead anyways.
My main point is that IT IS ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY TO WORK WITHIN THE CAPITALIST/GOVERNMENTAL FRAMEWORK. It is pointless to get upset at not getting results when you go about things the wrong way.
The original intention of government. The current state of government. How government should be. - these are all things to be debated elsewhere, they add no creedence to the argument that legalization is the answer...
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many things are not as two-way as Americans try to think
I am Canadian.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: Ferris]
#10057313 - 03/28/09 12:28 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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to PDU
Giving info doesn't take away credibility. That is just fucking stupid. Overkill, maybe, but it doesn't take away credence like you said. The way Obama acted anyway, showed disrespect for cannabis users, and brings the assumption that he was BSing his thoughts on "going with science".
They really give little time and place for us, so we have to be as loud as we can, or the rich who can back their words with bills and contacts will drown us out even worse.
The prison system does, though they really loose money more often then profit because they are full beyond capacity with non violent criminals who are often forced , especially now often forced to mingle with killers and rapists. An economy run on these things is rather perverse anyway.
I'll rephrase. The government doesn't JUST serve tax payers. There, you split you hair over that word. It serves all. If a homeless person is killed, his killer is supposed to be punished, and if he kills then he is supposed to be brought to justice. Things may not always work,but not everyone is corrupt slime.
They really do, because it isn't about a weed. It's about freedom, it's a step toward that. People are getting fed up, and the pot is slowly starting to boil. The spark isn't dead, and that cynicism like you have about working in the capitalist system is awful. If a good idea can get around, it snowballs until it becomes a movement like pot legalization. Things are bad, but useless husks with no hope need to be ignored.
Whatever, then don't worry, worry about corruption in your country. We are trying to handle ours, and with bad vibes and bad opinions being flung about you and people who speak like you are no help to us here.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: PDU]
#10057406 - 03/28/09 12:52 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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PDU said:
The government is not necessarily in place to protect the people.
The government is in place to serve the taxpayers.
Wrong. Ideologically and historically. Modern government may serve the ones with the deepest pockets, but that is not the purpose of it.
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You voiced your opinion and didn't like the answer your received. Its childish to lash back.
I agree it's not right to direct your backlash at Obama because you didn't like his answer, or to stop voicing your opinion. I simply meant to illustrate that after being accused of apathy it's sad to see your views brushed aside when you make an effort to change things. People aren't unhappy because he didn't say yes. They're unhappy cause he laughed and then said no without even giving a reason. Of course, he's a politician so I wouldn't expect any less.
To address your main point, I don't think anyone is trying to argue that legalization is the answer to fixing the economy. The question is will it help? Is it beneficial? If you can think logically the answer is undeniably yes. Anyone who says otherwise is stubborn or simply uneducated on the issue because there's absolutely zero possibility that marijuana prohibition earns more than it costs.
Also, I believe being an adult is a requirement on these forums. Assuming we're kids makes you sound like a self-important, arrogant douche. Since we're not in jail it's also safe to assume we pay taxes.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: doom876]
#10057452 - 03/28/09 01:02 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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doom876 said:
The spark isn't dead, and that cynicism like you have about working in the capitalist system is awful.
Please propose a feasible alternative to "working in the capitalist framework."
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: PDU]
#10057461 - 03/28/09 01:05 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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In America, cynicism is a sure sign of intelligence.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: BuggingOUT]
#10057500 - 03/28/09 01:17 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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BuggingOUT said:
In America, cynicism is a sure sign of intelligence.
No, cautious optimism is better, Not blind faith or apathetic cynicism.
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Re: Interesting. Obama's drug czar wants your opinion on Obama's MJ answer [Re: supernovasky]
#10057671 - 03/28/09 02:08 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Great post man. I let him know what's up!
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