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 Re: little sister has kidney infection  [Re: MJF]
#10033984 - 03/24/09 06:55 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just put me and OC on ignore. Problem solved. That's what ignore is for. 
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
#10033994 - 03/24/09 06:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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but i like some of ya'lls stuff....
maybe you could flag your posts with a symbol or something...so that way i would know whether or not to skip over it.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: MJF]
#10034002 - 03/24/09 06:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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How about this.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
#10034308 - 03/24/09 07:52 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
eating meat is murder.
Not if it's roadkill. 
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: spyder]
#10034342 - 03/24/09 07:57 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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True
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
#10034443 - 03/24/09 08:11 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm making a broad reply here, as I've been inactive in this thread for far too long for a more specific one.
I don't think there would be many people here that actually believe that their 'prayers' could cure a terminally ill girl.
I never expected people to believe or to attempt to do so. I just feel that people could have offered support and left their personal views on it behind.
I'm a fairly rational and logical person, but I can see when it's time to be a bit more emotionally-based and just shut my mouth and be nice. I really don't see how this derails my own idea that emotion - without logic - often blinds judgement. Unless you believe that we should only ever view the world with cool logic, then offering some kind words and sympathy shouldn't be such an arduous task.
And just because it's in a forum that you are allowed to debate things, is it a topic that should be debated, here, in this thread, under these circumstances?
I'm trying to see this from the o.p's pov, I feel I'd be pretty dismayed that a seemingly innocuous call for support could be turned into a five page shit-talk about thread etiquette. Even though I do agree rationally with most of you.
And whoever was mentioning that the o.p was religious..."I do not believe in religions but I do believe in a connection to a higher power and that is the being I ask things of"
I dunno, just my belated, mid-morning thoughts...
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
#10034478 - 03/24/09 08:18 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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just shut my mouth and be nice.
I've been told to do this my whole life. Sometimes I even do it but I never feel good about it. I'm really pretty sure this post will not effect the OP in any major way. He will just write it off as a bad idea and deal with the situation he finds himself in. In a week almost no one will think about this here. In a month many won't remember it. That's how it is with words. They really don't carry much weight in the long run. That's why with all the talk here in P&S we haven't turned out many if any fully realized humans. Words don't count. Actions count.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
#10034497 - 03/24/09 08:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I may speak for some of the posters here:
As long as we must tip-toe around the issue of praying for the sick as anything other than fantasy, then we will be stuck with this superstition for many thousands of years.
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Yeah, fantasy needs eradicating and does no good at all, it serves no purpose at all. Let's cut out all the beliefs that don't match ours and that we don't understand so that we can have as little diversity as possible, and maybe then we'll get along better. Hear hear OC!
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
#10034646 - 03/24/09 08:40 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
just shut my mouth and be nice.
Sometimes I even do it but I never feel good about it. I'm really pretty sure this post will not effect the OP in any major way.
I may be extrapolating more out of your words than necessary, but that's half my point; it's not about feeling 'good', it's about putting yourself out of your own mind for a while to TRY and make someone else feel better.
So the chances are pretty slim that it will make the o.p feel better, but even if there is only a small chance it will, taking two minutes to offer some kind words seems like a worthwhile exchange to me.
Orgone - I don't see any tiptoeing about praying in my post? I don't think my thoughts/prayers can effect someone I will never met or have any contact with.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Mufungo]
#10034711 - 03/24/09 08:50 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I knew you would understand.
If everyone viewed the world rationally as I do, no person would be in prison for merely smoking/growing cannabis, but we need the diversity of some smokers in prison and some on the outside for the sake of balance. 
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
#10034723 - 03/24/09 08:53 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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But I don't want to make him feel better. I was thinking of the girl.
His desire was to keep her alive so he could see her again. What if that involves suffering on her part. She does have terminal cancer. Or did that fall off your radar.
At that moment I made a judgment call and that call was that he was being selfish and might possibly be the cause of physical suffering.
Man I see this all the time with peoples "beloved" pets. They let them suffer instead of putting them down because they can't bear life without fluffy. Fuck that I say. FUCK THAT I SAY
So now you see where I'm coming from. Take it or leave it. I'm not too impressed with your logic either.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
#10034756 - 03/24/09 08:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck Fluffy?  
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
If I may speak for some of the posters here:
As long as we must tip-toe around the issue of praying for the sick as anything other than fantasy, then we will be stuck with this superstition for many thousands of years.
I will execute power of attorney for some of the posters here:
You have all joined my ponzi scheme.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: Icelander]
#10034905 - 03/24/09 09:20 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe so, but I'd like to think that's not the case. You don't know if she is in pain or not.
I have stated a fair few times that I do see where you are coming from.
Fuck, if she is in pain, then by all means, put her down. But I'd prefer not to think the worst of people.
How could he be the 'cause' of her physical suffering? I think it's been widely discussed that our 'prayers' don't mean shit when it comes to extending her life/easing her pain.
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
#10034927 - 03/24/09 09:22 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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He is the cause if he is prolonging her suffering by keeping her alive
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: learningtofly]
#10034934 - 03/24/09 09:23 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'll ask again, how the shit is he keeping her alive?
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: lukey2411]
#10034941 - 03/24/09 09:24 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Through prayer.
We have come full circle and may now lock this thread.
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Through prayer.
We have come full circle and may now lock this thread.
It's a miracle. 
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Re: little sister has kidney infection [Re: chef Jay]
#10035093 - 03/24/09 09:46 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I lived for several months with a guy who had kidney disease. He had been a performing musician and sailor - manager of a yacht club - until it took hold. Now he can't eat most foods, can't walk more than a few yards because of water filling his legs and thus has ballooned in weight, to compound the problem. He had to stay at home every day except when a van took him to medical appointments, and barely had enough money from the government each month to pay rent and food costs. He's low on the list of transplant recipients because of money and the possibility that the condition would persist anyway. Cool guy, though, he kept a great sense of humor and shared many stories.
As for this thread, it's probably not what was wanted or expected, but I think it works pretty well. All the OP has to do is read a few responses and realize time would be better spent in contact with his sister instead. He can also take comfort from the dull banter; pretty soon she will be beyond all of that, or is already due to self-reflections and intimate connections with friends and relatives in Death's antechamber. Show this to her and she'd probably laugh it off - this is life.
Conversation-space is always for whomever wants to converse howsoever they choose - let the moderators pass over - and ideas are for ridicule and misunderstanding and interspersion with pussy talk, and some move on, some find reactive outrage - there's stimulation there, some observe with detached ennui and declare it all stupid, or maybe profound, as if that would alleviate the dullness.
Who knows what is really meant by pray for her; it's probably understood that praying is not about direct causality. Put her in your thoughts, he asks you but really he's already made it unavoidable, here's someone young dying of a rare disease, so reflect on your mortality, maybe bathe a bit in the sadness of it if you still believe in that. Put her in your thoughts, think the best of her so that it's a tragedy instead of a termination of someone with annoying idiosyncratic faults like the people around you and yourself whom you can't stand, reflect on death as if we really are all equalized and made the best we can imagine once we depart, maybe keep reflecting and equalize the living too, if you think that's worth anything.
If death is meaningless collapse of meaningless life, let thoughts of her evoke frustration with the practice of futile prayer, ahd enjoy the irony of then getting worked up over debating the meaninglessness of it. I'm sure there's something to be gained here for everyone, certainly as much for the patient and all of us as would be gained without this, until we circle around some other issue flitting through our minds at the moment, one which different people will find meaningless, and on we continue.
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