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 The "THUMBPRINT" 
#1427364 - 04/03/03 10:43 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Ok Chinacat (and anyone else who's had one), tell us about the experience.
What's it like?
What did you see?
What did you do?
What stories of other people on them can you tell?
For anyone who didn't know, a THUMBPRINT is when someone covers the bottom of their thumb with LSD and then takes it.
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 Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Learyfan]
#1427384 - 04/03/03 10:56 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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As much as I would like to learn all I can from them, I am pretty sure that this kind of experience is undescribable. Putting words to this strong of a psychadelic experience is almost impossible (China prove me wrong  ) and would be similar to eating many many oz's of shrooms. Most of us know that even after a few grams that things become hard to describe.
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Learyfan]
#1428123 - 04/04/03 06:01 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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What's it like?
What did you see?
What did you do
It's not possible to describe what it's like. Except mabey DEATH
what did you see -ALL
What did you do- My body did nothing ,but lay down. I was no more,just ALL
I can't put this into words. It would take a book and I still couldn't get it right.
Eating LSD crystal intense,magical,crazy and the ULTIMATE ACT OF SUBMISSION TO THE PSYCHEDELIC STATE.
Let me think about it today and think of anyway I can put it better.
OK whiterasta your turn 
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Learyfan]
#1428246 - 04/04/03 07:52 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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I got up this morning and as always took a quick look at the boards before heading to campus. Your thread got thinking about the old days as I was driving to campus. So I have decided to skip my first class and try to provide some more info.
BTW if I flunk my pathology exam next week It's your fault Learyfan 
Some of this info I covered in my ODD thread LSD-Crystal to blotter.
My information is on how the Dead/rainbow/origanal family handle LSD
When LSD crystal is bought it comes in little glass viles. It's a dense crystal and a gram of it looks alot smaller than a gram of coke or flour(or other powder). Ten grams can fit in a vile small enough to hold in your hand and clentch your fist and conceal.
Anyway as I said in my other thread when you first buy crystal from the family their's 2 requirement's. 1. You have to be taught how to lay it properly and be trusted to do so on your own. 2. You have to do a thumbprint. The family believes LSD crystal should only be handled by those with the proper energy or karma to do so. There's no better way to test somebodys faith of LSD than give them a thumbprint.
Originaly thumprints were given by taking the glass vile and puting your thumb over
the top of the vile and turning it and fliping it upside down real quick. This put a coating of crystal on your thumb which was pessed into the palm of the person ,leaving your crystal imbedded thumbrint in there palm(hence the term thumprint) where it would absorb(or they might lick it off.). This was your certification
Nowadays thumbprints are eaten. Any time someone eats crystal it's refered to as a print. This way was adopted because it's more efficiant.
As for the experiance itself. All reviever's are experianced with LSD(at least they think so until there printed ) You feel it almost instantly. LSD crystal has an energy to it. Having a jar of it my pocket is enough to alter my conciousness. As soon as it touches your skin or goes in your mouth you can feel it. Alot of folks will throw up within minutes. This is an exorcism of sorts. Like all the negative energy being cast out of your body. Then you lay down and learn. As for the experiance I just couldn't do it justice to describe it. Your never the same again.
A thumprint doesn't open the door of perception it blows it off the hinges.
You melt into eternety. You let go and die into the moment which is all. There is no you anymore only all. The intensity of this can't be described, but you realize as your sliping away that it's familar.This is because it become quite clear this is exactlly what happens when you die. After an eternity you slowly start to come back in pieces. You feel reborn and a completely different person. You don't ever come completely down or back. This isn't a bad thing ,but it's very scary at first.
I won't try to describe it any more because I can't. Also after your experianced with eating crystal its a little less tramatic. Your first one is spent on the ground. After awhile I could eat crystal at shows and whatnot.
I have only seen one print go bad and I described this in my other thread. The guy says it's the most important event of his life and now lives happily so I guess it wasn't bad. His reaction at the time was.
I think psychedelics are safer in large doses(i'm not talking about thumbprint sizes though) as far as bad trips go. They override your ego's defenses in large enough doses. you can't think your having a bad trip because you can't think at all beacause there is no you. Terrance McKenna and Andrew Weil MD have said this also.
Alright whiterasta your up
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
#1428611 - 04/04/03 11:09 AM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks a lot Chinacat. It's so interesting to hear someone speak as best they can about an experience that I will probably never know. You didn't have to skip class for it though dude. I think you're taking the "turn on tune in drop out" thing too literally.
It's fascinating that you've gone so far into the psychedelic experience. You've died and then come back. That's incredible. I like the analogy you used in another thread where you said that your life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake.
The things someone probably sees on a print blows my mind thinking about it. But what do you do about going to the bathroom and eating? And how long does a print last usually?
Thanks.
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Re: The [Re: pants]
#1428803 - 04/04/03 12:30 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wowzers!  I love hearing your stories. 
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Learyfan]
#1429025 - 04/04/03 02:14 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thats alright man I was looking for an excuse to skip anyway.
It is hard to describe a thumbprint. Human language cannot describe an experiance that is encompasses all of life. Every cell of every creature or living thing that ever lived or will live is connected by the energy or light. When we die are body and our ego is gone. We become one with eternity or the light or God or whatever name you wish to call it. A thumbprint allows this to happen and rerturn to our physical body. My first print I layed down and quickly realized that this was my actual death. You watch the whole process unfold with complete awareness.
I didn't cling to my body I just realized my life had passed. As I was spiraling up or out I saw my life evolve through the years I lived. The happiness, the sadness,the people I loved and the people I didn't. The joy that I gave and the pain that I caused. I saw the true nature of reality and why things were the way they were. As I got higher I saw the nature of reality on the cosmic scale and saw that the reason for our evolution was to experiance love. To love is to have experianced the finest of life. Then came the moment were it was time to let go. As I did it came for me and I sobbed uncontrolabley for I realized that the light or energy we call god or creation was perfect. It was pure unconditional love.
What else could god have been I realized. That glint of innocent perfection in a baby's eye. The light was pure as the heart of Jesus Christ. I dissolved into it and died. Since there was no me only the all ,I cannot remember the rest because there was no me to remember. After forever I slowly decended into my body.
I spent days awake afterwards talking to myself. I vowed to god to spread LSD so others could see the light. I vowed to look at every person as the lord and treat them as such.
I was reborn and continue to live by the values I learned. I became as active as I could spreading LSD. Year after year in hotel rooms with a pyrex pan and watercolor paper. Hoping excitedly that some of these hit's will help guide my brothers and sisters back towards the light. LSD is a direct message from God. Period. I don't think we get another chance. We can love each other or we can kill each other ,but it is up to us. As I always say in my threads as a reminder, my work with LSD ended years ago.
As for your question about eating and going to the bathroom. I don't think I ate for a week afterwards. As for going to the bathroom I hadn't eaten before hand at my guides advise so it wasn't a problem. I remember letting go as it got dark and coming back a lttle before sunrise. I was high for along time afterwards and as I said earlier you never fully return. I feel high all the time still and its been years.
Also I did many, many prints after that. I have eaten a lot of crystal but it was never like that first time.
I must stress that I was in the company of very evolved and older people that made sure my experiances were optimal. These were kind old spirits that had been were I was going many years before and many times. They held me as a baby every inch of the way.
You have heard of near death experiances right. A thumbprint is a beyond death experiance.
I have a rich life now thats full of good fortune. A wonderful wife and 3 children who are completely wonderful. Every day is complete joy. I couldn't ask for more, but I know it will end one day for good. I await this day with no fear ,but the knowlege that that most rewarding and enlightening experiance of life is death.
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I had something close to a thumbprint...
I was at a festival and I ran into a friend i've known for many years...we were just talking and hes like hey, you want a dose..im like hell yeah I do..expecting him to just have a sheet of blotter or something..he then takes out a small amber colored vile and says he had some crystal. He empties a very small amount onto my hand and i rubbed it into my hand..as Chinacat said, one you get it, you feel it.
I remember sitting at the campsite and the rush of the trip come on me..Complete ego loss. Didnt know who I was, where I was, what I was etc..I can't really put the rest into words..the craziness that went through me was something that I had never expeirenced..a power so strong..it was amazing..and im glad I got to expeirence it once in my life even though it was a little less then a thumbprint It was close enough.
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
#1429186 - 04/04/03 03:17 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Wow. The revelations you described are very very similar to my beliefs about life.
Thanks a lot Chinacat. We all love your stories. Keep telling if you want. We'll live through you vicariously.
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Learyfan]
#1429274 - 04/04/03 03:52 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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What stories of other people on them can you tell?
Ok i'll tell you about the one that went bad.
This finds me in Oakland in the early 90's. Between tour's I would sit out in San Francisco and keep things flowing. Friends from the east coast would need shit so I would lay it and mail it or others would come out to get a lower price and I would lay it and send them on there way. Well a real good friend came out to get 4 or 5 grams.With him he had a few people. I told him he could help me lay it and to have his friends hang out in the city till were done. He says this friend of his is ready to come with us. Now I had talked to the guy before and knew he was connected to the rainbow family, but his energy seamed weird. trusting my friends judgement i said alright.
So we decide to drive over to oakland to lay it in a hotel. We get to some sleazy hotel out by the freeway and get ready. Now i'm a little edgy about this newbie watching, but as long as he stays out of the way it's fine. So we get to work and it takes quite awhile to lay 5 grams of acid. Thats 50 tenpack or 50,000 doses. Were done and cleanin up and he say my friend is ready for a print. I'm like are you sure and he says i think so. I look at his friend and he's like just give it to me I can handle it. So I get out my jar of silver crystal and knock some out on the nightstand because my friend wants to take some with him to do in the mountains.
Well this fuckin dude sticks his finger right in my pile of crystal and then licks it. I'm like thats a pretty hefty dose there soldier. He's like ya whatever now what do we do. Then I started to realize it was going to get weird. Within 2 minutes he's saying man my fuckin stomach hurt's that was poison. I'm like go in the bathroom your going to puke. He goes in there and and we hear him cussin and puking. Meanwhile i'm askin my friend what the hell he's got us into. Then the bathroom door opens and he comes out butt naked saying i'm gettin the fuck out of here.
Were like no man just chill your not going to be able to get far. We put him in the back bedroom and turn the lights out and figure thats best for him. I close the door and tell him if he needs me were there. I figure he's got some things to sort out with god. Now this hotel Is right on the freeway. In fact you can jump out the window onto it. Were also on the second floor. Well were sitting there and i'm making some phone calls telling people i'm going to be hung up for awhile and I hear cars on the freeway honking. We go back into the bedroom and he's halfway out the window, getting ready to jump onto the Oakland freeway naked as the day he was born.
We pull him back into the room and he's starting to realize he's dying.He thinks i'm causing him to die and i'm the devil. Now shit gets ugly. He's screaming at us that he's dieing and trying to get out of the hotel. Since I just layed 5 grams i'm high also as is my friend. We call some other friends to come over. Were holding him down on the bed trying to cover his mouth. We have 50,000 doses of freshly layed LSD in the room and I don't need the cops coming. I take the pan and all the supplies I used to lay with and throw them out the window onto the freeway.
My other friends get there and we tell the girls take the acid and get out of hear quick. This guy's screaming at the top of his lungs that he's dying and I know the other hotel guest's can here him. It's got to be any minute that the Oakland police show up. I'm telling him to let go ,don't fight it. He thinks i'm satan so he's not listening to anything I say. Also as we have been wrestling him he has lost control of his bodily fluids. There's puke ,shit and piss all over. I can't imagine what the cops are going to think when they come in and see a couple hippies on some guy covered in puke and shit screaming i'm dying as we tell him it's ok he'll like it.
After awhile he stops moving. He was sucked into eternity. He was gone. As he layed there motionless we cleaned him up. And my friend sang amazing grace over and over to him. After an hour passed I realized the cops hadn't came. I contribute this to 2 things. The protection of God and the fact we were in a nasty part of Oakland and people mind there own buisness.
My girl comes by and brings us clean shirts and pants. Itake a shower and clean up as they watch him and then we take turns. My nerves are frazzled. I'm high and this guys bad trip has really wigged me out. Me and my girl decide to go for a walk since my friends with him and he's not moving. We get out side and realize that going for a walk at 3 am in oakland isn't going to be good. She senses my tension and we go to the side of the hotel in some bushes were she layes me down and sets my mind at ease with that magic only a woman can perform.
As dawn breaks he's coming around. Talking incoherantly ,but I can see a sparkle in his eye. We all part ways and me and my girl head back to SF to get some sleep.
A day or two later my friend calls and says there heading home and to come say goodbye. I get there and this guy comes up to me and gives me a big hug and says he's sorry. I tell him don't worry about it. He then tells me that he met god and was a different person now. This makes me happy.
This man hasn't taken LSD since and lives in Oregon and owns a organic farm.
He's happy with a family and at peace.
He says that night was the most important and best thing that ever happened to him. I see him at the Oregon county fair every year and we always have a big hug.
he's turned into somebody i really admire and love.
After this incedent I became very carefull of who I printed.
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 Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
#1429399 - 04/04/03 04:27 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Amazing stories man. I can't say I've ever experienced that, but after reading that I hope I will someday.
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
#1429461 - 04/04/03 04:42 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Incredible story man. I hope to experience some LSD for my first time this summer if the Dead blow through town. Though I hav't had much luck finding acid at any concerts. Your stories are always great to hear and I mistake you for Leary a lot of the times Just a quick question: Did you start using LSD as a spirtual tool, or for recreaton? Also, what do you think about acid graduation? For me mushrooms are showing me the way, opening doors and allowing me to access areas of consciousness I'd never access without them. But someday I think I'll move past psychedelics and access these areas of consciousness without drugs. Like revelation said, send some love and I'll accept it. lol
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
#1429565 - 04/04/03 05:16 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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wow, i want to try!!!!!!!!!!!!
psychedelics have gotten for me to the point of Boring, but i've never gone that far.
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Jenny]
#1429578 - 04/04/03 05:23 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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If they have lost the magic for you perhaos you should take an extended break. Say a year +
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: cherokee]
#1429672 - 04/04/03 06:09 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Incredible story man. I hope to experience some LSD for my first time this summer if the Dead blow through town. Though I hav't had much luck finding acid at any concerts. Your stories are always great to hear and I mistake you for Leary a lot of the times Just a quick question: Did you start using LSD as a spirtual tool, or for recreaton? Also, what do you think about acid graduation? For me mushrooms are showing me the way, opening doors and allowing me to access areas of consciousness I'd never access without them. But someday I think I'll move past psychedelics and access these areas of consciousness without drugs. Like revelation said, send some love and I'll accept it. lol
I started using LSD out of curiousety at age 13. I quickly realized that it was more than just a drug after some friends brought back some acid they got from a dead show.
as for graduating. Sure if you feel psychedelics are just a stepping stone in your evolution. Read Ram Das(richard Alpert) Be Here Now it's priceless and can help you with the transition. I don't take LSD anymore. I can't ,it takes to much to get me off and to long to come down. As a middle aged father of 3 and full time college student I don't have time to spend days on end tripping. I take 3-4 trips per year on a combo of shrooms and DMT. This gets me there and back quickly. I may do acid again someday and keep a little close at hand incase I need to. I have been serously courting the idea this month as it is the 60th aniversery of the first LSD trip in human history. I probably won't have time. And if I do it will probibly be a small dose(300mcg?) and a bicycle ride to honor Dr. Hoffman and our sacred sacrament. I doubt I will though. I know alot of people who have moved on from acid to meditation(something I'm addicted to) and yoga. There very happy and peaceful. I know others who are in there 60's and still dose. Whatever path you choose is fine as long as it is rewarding. Some people choose to take what they have learned and move on.
as for sending some "love" I no longer am involved with that sacred work at the underground level. This is why I can freely offer this information without risking the saftey of myself and the family
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
#1429721 - 04/04/03 06:24 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Right now I can't say if I will or will not move on from drugs. I know I have not yet reached the full potential of these drugs but when I do I'll know. Meditation is a large part of my life too. It's weird but after each meditation session I feel a natural high. For the rest of the day I'll float through in a euphoric state and not let small mishaps get in my way. Sorry for all the questions but you're a god damn fountain of knowledge  What do you think about people who use mushrooms and LSD for non-spirtual reasons? I have a few friends who fail to see the light in the psychedelic experience. At times I feel anger towards them by the way the treat the substances. I know they won't me taking them long though, because they'll become bored.
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: cherokee]
#1429800 - 04/04/03 06:48 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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People who use them for non-spiritual purposes are fine with me. The reasoning is that they may catch on and realize the value of the experiance. Lot's of people have just been looking for a new high when they find that LSD can provide so much more. The only thing that toubles me is when people are not responible with them and they get in trouble or have problems and the psychedelic gets blamed.
Also if people just use them as a way to get fucked up the'll more than likely eventually have a bad experiance, but thats there fault.
As for meditation its great your practising it. i wish i would have started younger.
If i don't meditate my day is alot more stressful. Meditation allows me to integrate the psychedelic world with my daily life. It gives me true balance.
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 Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
#1429891 - 04/04/03 07:25 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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It is something one cannot just " decide to do one day" and EVERYONE I know who has done it has had a pretty high LSD tolerance and experience level.It is more a symbol of trust than key to enlightenment as the experience is completly overwhelming and memory is scrambled between acid dream and "reality" with most of it blank.I had persistant imagery for several months and for the following week felt " rode hard and put away wet".
I since (25+yrs) still am (resistant,accustomed,tolerant,?) with psychadelics but enjoy them greatly in moderation.
Weak I know but how do you describe ultimate Non-Youness persisting uncontrolably and unresitably?
their ya go china the best I can give it right now WR
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
#1429942 - 04/04/03 07:44 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chinacat you say that you feel high everyday naturally. Does it feel like an LSD high or what?
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: whiterasta]
#1429966 - 04/04/03 07:51 PM (6 years, 10 months ago) |
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>the ultimate Non-Youness persisting uncontrolably and unresistably<
Nicely put 
Yes WR the thumbprint is the ultimate test of trust. If somebody has been printed there family plain and simple. Print's are given to those who are ready and experianced. I learned the importance of this the hard way in Oakland
BTW what was your print? Mine have been White fluff,Needlepoint,silver,amber and one lavender.
Does a day ever pass for you that you don't feel it. I feel it every single day.
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Learyfan]
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Chinacat you say that you feel high everyday naturally. Does it feel like an LSD high or what?
Yes every day of my life at some point I feel as if i'm dosed. I'm ok with that.
Meditation helps me smooth it out and enjoy it. For the most part i don't even notice it.
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Mine was a clean white crystaline beauty,not family acid, but guru made. I was an O Chem major with a wild side a mile wide and we met and over time he became much like a spiritual father.He would allow me to assist the "cook" and let me do column and lay up.Then one day in 78 he gave me a eighth oz of crystal and told me to "spread the word" and that he would be back after summer and then we'd talk more.So the summer of 78 I dosed 1000mics + daily all summer and played guru.In late august he came back and took a long look at me asked me if "I had made a lot of money over summer?" I replied "Money?" This was what he wanted to hear and it made him smile and say "Good, see ya tomorrow"
the next day we were going to prep the lab after his absence,clean, dust and such.When I showed up at the trailer he had a funny grin on his face and he said 'I hope you don't have plans." we went in his old lady was there,unusual,and she was holding a small watch glass with the crystal spice in it.She said "honey it is time to grow up". They then told me to stick in my thumb and press.By then I was nervously curious and my hands were sweaty so i pulled my thumb free with a generous coating on it.I looked at it and I swear I could feel it starting then I stuck my thumb in my mouth and let go.The first hr or so I think I was in and out of the world then "I" just dissapeared for eternity.IMO part of me still is there.
I am facing death due to a botched angiogram and I know I will meet with the part of me which rides the eternal winds when my time is over.I know that death is a mere transition,I know this because I died that day in late 78 and arose again reborn.My priorities of life were refocused and I have been working to integrate the new paradigm of being which was created by that day every since.I think if a lesson or enlightenment came from this it is that I consciously participate in my life to a much greater degree.This is not the "easy' way to live in a world of injustice and cruelty.I have been forced to accept the balance of positive and negative w/o imposing my own desire. And I still must struggle mightily to integrate and exist in this society.My freinds old lady said it was time to grow up but she did not say I would outgrow myself.I have absolutly NO regrets although the changes in my mind and thought process have made interfacing with traditional thinking a challenge.I think I must give Sclorch fits with the way my mind takes classic philisophical thought and twists it about.I know that "holy men" have no clue regarding my spirituality.
Like China said every day I know I 'thumbprinted" but the funny thing is no matter how you rewire your brain life still bring the same challenges.I still have to stuggle with the challenges but I believe that I may have somewhat more novel solutions to some things than some others,but all in all I am remarkably Ward Cleaver considering.Any more only the wife,kids,and freinds really get the jist of my bent,and that is just fine with me.
One last thing,I have experienced literal death (heart stopped) and the irresistablity of death and strong psychadelic experience are quite similar.In Death one realizes the ineffable nature of the experience and resisting is futile,much like resisting a thumbprint,it is just NOT possible .
So now there are some of us out there who have customized our thinking but like the early hotrodders we somewhat haphazardly customized our brains.Like some of the early hot rods we may have some areas where we really perform well but drivability has been comprimised.But I have come to know and love all the lil idiosycrisies of my ole jalopy.
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Absolutaly fabulous story WR
Thank you so much for sharing.
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Hey China? you ever think what an awesome book 'The Print" would make?Stories like ours (there are probably plenty ),how it has changed our lives and affected those around us.Just a thought WR
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Sounds like a damn good read to me. Your in Oregon right.Hell thats the printers refugee camp of the world.
Lots of folks in those hills and mountains know the feeling of that jolt when crystal touches your skin
I'll be out there for the Oregon country fair. I know alot of family out there and thats why i come out every year. Its the family reunion Lot's of people there that have been printed. Now getting them to offer there stories to the public would require some coaxing. I'm sure you probably know alot of people out there also that have been through it.
Your cover could be a white background with a big rainbow colored thumprint on it. I'm sure Learyfan would buy a copy
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Well hell's bells lets get together this summer I am only over the hill and not far away from Veneta.Let's keep in touch and see if we can't meet up this summer.I been secretly hoping the "dead" would make a cameo this year any way let's get together and festival a bit this summer eh?I may get vendor space and trade for stories ( I know a whole army of glass blowers ) at the least I''ll be on the recycle crew.Hope we can meet,Knda like long lost cousins eh?WR
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
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Hopefully I'll be able to add a story to this thread someday.
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Sounds great We probably know some of the same people. Most of my friends from tour are scattered through the Oregon countryside and N California.
It's going to be a good summer
That would be nice if the Dead would play there since they started it with the Kesey's. Or at least play Autzen stadium in Eugene. I've seen a few shows there and the family vibe is intense.
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this was very interresting reading! thanks china, wr and learyfan (for bringing it up)!
I don't think i fully understand the part about families tho... could anyone please explain?
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Re: The Thumbprint [Re: yelimS]
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Family is used to describe the brotherhood. There's the Dead family, rainbow family and there are familys of the varous types of crystal(exp.fluff family)
usually your part of more than one of these family's if not all of them. It's all family.
The network of the counterculture that started 40+ years ago.
I see your across the seas in Norway Here in the US we have a rather large
counterculture. It's mostly hiden away in the hill and mountains of the west coast.
We are a tribe or "family". Were the ones that "know" that were all brothers and sisters on this giant ball of rock hurtling through space.
When you travel beyond death to eternity with people you devlop a bond thats as strong as any family. We are the decendents of the summer of love and the psychedelic explosion of the sixties. We are also decendents of the indians and people of the earth who have occupied this mudball since the stone age.
In the end were all family. Every person and creature that ever lived or will. We all come from the same place and oneday return there. Every particle of energy in the cosmos is connected. It's just most people don't have a clue about this till they die. Those of us that realize these important revalations and try to live in accordance with them are the family.
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Does the family adopt often?
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yeah, how exactly do you become part of a family. Is it simply being in the right place and knowing the right people? Does someone else have to get you in, or do you get yourself in? Obviously, to be part of a family, you would have to contribute to it somehow. What kind of contributions are needed for the family to continue being succesful (sp?)? Tell us more about the system, and how the business portion of the family worked. I'm curious. Then again, I'll understand fully if that's information you simply can't give out. If I get around to it later, I'll make a post about the amazing conversation I had with a guy at an AA meeting (I wasn't attending the meeting), where he told me every intricate detail about his huge cocaine business he used to run.
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SmokerforPeace-just go to shows and gatherings or the right places out west.
If your heart is in the right place you'll be noticed. Though its probably very hard now days because there is no tour anymore.
Outkastslug-Family buisness is completely different then the coke buisness.
The motivation for the coke buisness is money plain and simple. The family is made of people who believe that the work they do is sacred and money is not the motivation for all ,but a few.
As far as the way it's ran is very different than the coke world. For one there is absolute trust in your fellow associates. This is why we have thumbprints. To know that every body is on the level. Coke dealers and other dope dealers start snitching on each other at the first hint of trouble. That doesn't happen with the family and is why the DEA has never had any sucess in getting even close to the top. LSD is seen as sacred and to put your personal freedom before the security of this sacred system of important work would be a sin against all of man. If you don't think this way you don't have any right to carry on this tradition.
As for buisness details, I have been out of that line of work since 96. They constantly change and security is more sophisticated than you could imagine for a bunch of old hippies. I don't think my friends would approve of me giving details out on how this network moves so stealthly.
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Far out tales Chinacat and WR.
I'm looking to head through Oregon in June and should hit up some festivals. Is there a particular festival that i should go to if i'm seeking the right atmosphere of energy?
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Don't no about june ,but july 11-13 is the Oregon country fair In Veneta(10 miles west of Eugene). This is the best gathering in the world. It was started 30 years ago as a benefit concert by the Grateful Dead for Ken Kesey's brothers farm.
It is the ultimate family reunion good music and the best people on this planet make for a wonderful weekend of good vibes
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How many doses would the average thumbprint have?
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"doses" ???
figure maybe at least 10 milligrams and prolly not more than 50 milligrams... and a "solid hippie-era" dose is/was like 300 micrograms... (and the dea says an average dose these days is like 50 mikes...)
can you do the math? ...
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Re: The Thumbprint [Re: gnrm23]
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well i got into this thread late as hell. i've read "be here now" and have eaten family fluff. both are highly recommended. awesome stories!
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Re: The Thumbprint [Re: OctopusDr]
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Thumbprints are not weighed out. By todays dosage sizes the amount would be in the hundreds or higher. It's more like how many sheets would a thumbprint be not doses.
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very well put, Drummer.
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stories like these are like treats. every once in a while, one gets tossed out to us shroomerites. thanks
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Re: The Thumbprint [Re: Learyfan]
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To bad wars are not fought with those instead of real guns.
Imagine if we could of just soaked Iraq in LSD and had are troops roll in in tye dyed camaflouge blaring some Jerry Garcia on loud speakers.
The only death would be ego death. Then make Saddam(sp?) and bush sit down together and smoke some DMT
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chinacat that sounds like a plan
you know what, someone already sortve did that idea for a flash cartoon
its called the E-Vengers
http://newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=89043
btw listening to chinacat right now hehe x;
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Learyfan]
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Man, thumbprints sound like a truly incredible experience. You guys are so lucky to have had the oppurtunity to experienced something so amazing. This was a cool post. I'm sure all the acid heads here have been wanting to hear more about thumbprint experiences. At least i have
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I am pretty sure that chincacat said somewhere there is a massive different between eating an enourmous amount of paper hits and being thumbprinted.
I'm not trying to say you're wrong, but if anyone here can provide accurate information on extremly high doses of lsd, i think it would be chinacat.
hrm.
have you ever been thumbprinted or anything similar?
my ex girlfriend once told me that she would reach a saturation point on high dose lsd trips. she said she got to a point that would only make the trip longer, and not any more intense...
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I think you miss the point. Have you ever been in a near fatal accident? Sliced yourself open real good with a razor? Been Skydiving? Do you remember the 1st time you had sex? Any and all of these events leave a lasting impression in your brain. Moments of profound realization, paradigm shifts, or intense pleasure/pain and/or fear remain with you for life. A thumbprint very much causes your brain to experience all the above in the space of a few hours. No, you may not be tripping balls permanently but your entire outlook has been changed permanently. You will never be the same. As to the limit to the effects a higher doasge will give all i can say is that a thumbprint would be WAAAAAAY over 500ug. I am curious about Shulgin's definition of augmentation. Is this supplementing an already ingested dose or administering an "augemented" dose to a baseline individual? Scietific LSD research HAS to be fun!
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There is a massive difference between 500mcg and a thumbprint.
There not even comparable trips. As for saturation effect this is from medical research in the 50's comparing doses of lsd. There may not be a notacable difference between 1000 and 2000 mcg. There is a huge difference between 1000mcg. and 40 or 50 mg. Of course the reseachers never ventured into this dosage range. As for Jonathon Ott and Ram Dass I would venture to say neither has had a thumbprint. The quote you printed of Ram Dass is dealing with tolerance anyway not saturation levels.Taking 2400mcg of acid a day for weeks would be alot different than taking 40,000mcg one time. I know close to a hundred people that have had thumbprints and each one would laugh there ass of if someone told them there was no difference between 500mcg. and 50,000mcg.
As for futher clarification try eating 500mcg. and a couple weeks later stick your finger in some LSD crystal and lick it. Then you can see just how similar experiances they are.
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I know close to a hundred people that have had thumbprints and each one would laugh there ass of if someone told them there was no difference between 500mcg. and 50,000mcg.
For how many of these were printing a bad experience? For how many was it life-changing, good or bad? Statistics, please!
btw, im jealous at you for being an old skool hippie. lucky bastard!
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For how many of these were printing a bad experience? For how many was it life-changing, good or bad? Statistics, please!
One bad experiance thats told above, but in the end he found it to be the most important experiance of his life so it was good afterall. I have heard of other unpleasent ones, but none to serious. As for life changing, everyone of them.
Once that amount of LSD is injested you are never the same,ever!!!
Most prints turn out very well. It's not like there made availble to anybody.
Usually the person is deemed ready by those who can tell.They are taken care of before and after the print by the family, this may take up to a week before your functioning again. Sometimes skeptics are printed, but there reactions are usually very, very shattering. It's hard when your whole belief system explodes and the truth is revealed. You basically have to start from scratch. All those years you thought you knew the truth and God, then in a matter of minutes you find you didn't know shit, then you die. . This is all related to first prints. Repeated prints later are less traumatic and not nearlly as shattering.
Most folks I know that have done prints rarely do LSD anymore. There's really know need to except for nostalgia. I do know one brother( who gave me my first print) who is in his mid sixties and still eats crystal.
I don't know if I ever will again. I have courted the idea , and mabye will again someday.
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I don?t know if we?ve covered this already, but it appears that LSD is a very unpredictable drug at relatively(compared to a print) low doses, but fairly predictable at thumbprint doses.
Chinacat, how do you believe your thumbprint experience has changed your life? You said you?re never the same.
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thanks for sharing guys ,
You should get your tape recorders and start the 'book project' this summer
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Chinacat, how do you believe your thumbprint experience has changed your life? You said you're never the same.
I don't know how to answer that Learyfan. It's affected me on so many different levels. Mentally it has changed my whole outlook on life and my perception of the world. Spiritually it has given me the absolute faith in eternity that can only be had from being eternity. My philosophy's are all based on my experiances. I no longer see the world as a bunch of seperate species and things, but a connected matrix of biology and energy that flows to and from a core that is the pure light of unconditional love.
Physically it's affected me in that you never come back down completely.
But why would you anyway? You can't look at the truth and then pertend you didn't see it and that it doesn't exist.
A thumbprint is a life long commitment.
As for visual activity ,it's constant. But I hardly notice it anymore.
Eternity is in the here an now. So is my life, so they constantly flow together or against each other. Meditation is key for me now.
I no longer consider my physical reality my true reality.
Shit man I can't explain this stuff Learyfan. It's just not possible.
The more I explain ,the more I need to explain what I was trying to explain 
I guess you could sum it up as Robert Hunter did after his night of 250,000mcg.
"I died 1000 deaths"
Thats what it really is, death. Most people live there lives unsure about what happens when we die. Even the most devoutlly religous have anxiety about the big moment.
I don't , I welcome it. Thats how its changed me.
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?In these few years we had gotten over the feeling that one experience was going to make you enlightened forever. We saw that it wasn?t going to be that simple.
And for five years I dealt with the matter of ?coming down.? The coming down matter is what led me to the next chapter of this drama. Because after six years, I realized that no matter how ingenious my experimental designs were, and how high I got, I came down.
At one point I took five people and we locked ourselves in a building for three weeks and we took 400 micrograms of LSD every four hours. That is 2400 micrograms of LSD a day, which sounds fancy, but after your first dose you build a tolerance; there?s a refractory period. We?d just stay at a plateau. We were very high. What happened in those three weeks in that house, no one would even believe, including us. And at the end of the three weeks, we walked out of the house and within a few days, we came down!?
I did something similar the summer of '77 I ate 1000+mics every day for 90 days and yep I had a huge tolerance at the end of summer........I thought.Then in Sept when I should have been signing up for school I "Thumbprinted" And NO I only thought I had tolerance.After I came around to this reality again I did come down but was also "changed".I took complete control over my schooling and my life(as well as complete responsibility)
BTW Ram Das says he "came down" but he changed his name to Ram Das and wears white robes and even he admits LSD helped precipitate his change.One wonders what his opinion would have been had he instead of walking out of the house and coming down he would have taken 1/2 gram of crystal at the end of his experiment?
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?The effective oral dose in human beings ranges from 50-500 micrograms, above which a saturation level may be reached in most users, such that further augmenting the dose will not intensify the effects (Grof 1975; Shulgin 1980B).?
The 50-500 range will saturate the seratonin system however LSD also affects other receptors like dopamine and noradrenaline to a lesser degree, at ultradoses these effects come more strongly into play negating the plateau effect.
Enter the difference between 500mcgs and 10000+ is incomparable as is the mode of ingestion.The change begins as the crystals melt on your tongue and is totaly unlike eating a pile of prelayed paper.One senses his imminent ego death coming as the crystals are absorbed into the tongue.the knowledge that you are totaly in the care of family is what one clings to as long as concepts such as family contain meaning then one is simply....gone. When awareness returns it is changed and IMO forever.
I have to laugh when Ram Das says he "came down" returning sobriety is not the same as being unchanged One does come down from a print but NOT UNCHANGED.
I have had the privelidge of speaking with Ram Das on several occasions and to this older tripper his "mark" is as clear as if it were painted upon his forehead.
Oh yeah thats another "side effect" I can spot a serious tripper no matter how many yrs have elapsed since their last dose.You should see the suprise when I spring it on the "reformed"
I would have to say to you Enter that you should meet those who have had the experience in person if possible and judge for your self if their experience is valid.
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Very well put WR
Mabye that book idea isn't such a bad idea
BTW how is Ram Dass doing. His book's are the best. I hold my copy of Be Here Now with more value than a christian does there bible. Trully a masterpiece.
I don't hear much about him since his stroke. Does he still lecture? I caught him a couple times at Esalen and was awed to be in his presence. He trully is a great being. I know he's still on the board for the Deads Rex foundation. Other than that he probably doesn't leave Northern Cal. does he?
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A long, strange trip
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i've got a question, just curious, what does a a thumprint of crystal taste like?
No taste... more like a metalic perception.
Rub a spoon on your tongue, its like that.
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Chinacat ~ You've already mentioned the eternal, white-light experience (like that from the Tibetan Book of the Dead and many other Eastern teachings). You've also implied a belief in the Lord (however this Being may be defined). Thirdly, you've mentioned that LSD is a gift from God given specifically for this window of time. What are you doing different with your life that is noteworthy that you otherwise would not have done had you missed out on the psychedelic food called LSD?
What have I done with my life thats different. Everything!! I spent 8 years in hotel rooms around the country dipping gram after gram of blotter in hopes that one of these hits will bring somebody into the light. For 8 years I spread as much LSD around the country as I could, not for personal gain ,but for the hopes that it would help get the human race back on track.
Now I am dedicated to becoming a part of the misniscule research movement into psychedelics. I am just getting my BS in psychology/pre-med. Next is grad school or med school. This is all for the sole purpose of working with psychedelics in addiction and othe mental disorders they have shown great promise in. Whether this will happen in my lifetime I don't know, but I will try to help as much as possible. So now i'm consentrated on getting my MD or PhD.
I aslo spend countless hours on this website trying to dispell the enormous amount of LSD rumors there are.
As for personal differences it's changed everything. The way I interact with the world and the way I see it. It also brings me great sorrow to have been a part of a movement were the kind, beautiful potential of human relationships were reasized and then to see the rest of the world and how far off track it is.
As for the lord, I realize I have used this term in the past. Thats a mistake on my part because it ties in with the orthadox religions such as christianity and Islam.
I want no part of these religions and feel they do much more harm than good.
I do have faith in Eternity(my word for God). Seeing is believing
I could go on all day as for the changes, but I have a final exam in 1 hour.
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i've got a question, just curious, what does a a thumprint of crystal taste like?
Its a feeling of energy. You feel it instantly. Especially after your first one. Your nervous system jolts to attention as if to say here we go.
Some of the less pure crystals such as amber and lavender havea weird chem taste. As for fluff and needlepoint Theirs no taste just a feeling
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This is my favorite thread by far! Thanks again, china and everyone else who has contributed
And China... just curious.. how old are you? how and when did you get into the scene? I could read about this for hours, it's wonderful reading!
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Re: The Thumbprint [Re: yelimS]
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Old enough to have grey in my hair Just started going to Dead shows and finally said fuck it in 86 and did tour full time. When you travel around the country and see the same folks that are doing the same thing you are you get close to them. It really is a big family. In that time period alot of the folks from the old days(60's-70") were still touring and were always willing to help and guide the younger folks. The around 89-90 they became real popular and the crowds got a lot bigger and the DEA came on tour full time the older folks said see ya, an headed for the hill's and only came around for west coast shows. It really is a great family. So many wonderful ,kind people who really care about each other , and the rest of humanity, and all life.
It really it sad to see how hard the rest of our species struggle. So unconnected and focused on material things when the kingdom of heavon can be right here on earth.
This is why psychedelics are so important. They can bring about that connection. That realization we are all in this together. We are all brothers and sister's.
Without psychedelics I don't have a lot of hope for are species.
Sorry to derail your question. You'll have to excuse me I just finished my last final and am getting my bachelor's degree. So am celibrating with a little weed and beer.( I rarely indulge)
Each one of you has the oppertunity to help the revolution.
Jerry Garcia and Ken Kesey believe that the revolution in the 60's was won.
Pandoras box is open. The world didn't turn into an instant psychedelic utopia as some hoped for, but the seeds were sewn. The effect of this is far from over.
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Derail all you want, it's all equally interresting. But I must say I am a bit disapointed... is the 72 in your nick the year you were born? Shame on you for not being a summer of love hippie!
j/k of course
Congrats with your degree, and good luck with your work in the future!
And tell the Dead from me that Norway is a wonderful country and they should come here on tour, and I can be their travel guide.
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The 72 stands for the first Grateful Dead song I ever heard was while I was on acid and it was chinacatsunflower from ther europe 72 tour
After that chinacat from 72 I was hooked. Hence chinacat 72
During the summer of love i was a developing embryo
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In 68 i went to a Doors show in frisco with my older cousin who bestowed upon me a small piece of paper to taste.I was 10 yrs old........I remember La'merica and all the naked boobies and not much elseWR
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Sure sign of becoming a genuine ole codger..........someteimersWR
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Hey china cat and white rasta, your words have touched me, i can feel the energy in them. i recently had my fisrt experiences with LSD but they lacked the strength to elimate my ego. after reading your posts i now know how i can bring about a change in this world. i did LSD by myself thinking it was not for my friends, but now i see that LSD is for them. i might just get them asking questions, and finding some answers.
With thumbprints is it like there are no such things as a bad trip, cause your ego is totally gone? like even though someone might fight it at the start eventually theyll just die, like how that bloke who has the organic farm, at the start of his experince he fought and was scared but then everntually he just layed down and died.
There is hope, peace AGN
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I've never had a 'thumbprint' per se.. but once my friend had about 50 sugar cubes in aluminum foil, and he fell in a creek... thus turning the sugar cubes into one big glob of sugary acid goodness. I was nominated for clean up, so I had to handle the gloop with my bare hands..putting lumps together into what looked to be sugar cube size... just by handling the sugar mess and putting it into the aluminum foil, I started tripping hard after about 20 minutes.. and I mean hard. That shit absorbed all through my hand and I had one of the most intense trips of my life.
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Beautiful, insitefull read, thank you all.
Dipping your thumb into a crsytal vial, now that i havent heard before
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i heard it was not good to put your acid in aluminum foil. That it could rect somehow and give you cramps and stuff, you know, that "dirty acid" feeling.
I don't know if this is true, i cant even remember where i heard it, but it was enough to make me avoid puting acid in aluminum foil.
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chinacat72,
Am I a lesser person if I don't share your Thumbprint experience?
Is it required to be a good person or do worthwhile things with one's life?
The psychedelic experience is worthwhile. Don't get me wrong. I am very grateful for it. But it seems to me that the real adventure begins and ends somewhere else.
And it's cool reading about religious fervor. Gimme some fervor. Religion, after all, does bring some of us closer to God (or the Family Elders). As for the rest, well... guess that's what for lazy rivers and fishin' poles.
Sorry if this sounds like rain, but I get a little queazy when I hear that something I can't have is going to change my life.
Interesting read though and thank you. Just thought the thread was missing something.
Feels like it might be all right.
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Am I a lesser person if I don't share your Thumbprint experience?
Is it required to be a good person or do worthwhile things with one's life?
There are a lot of people that are good ,kind people and live wonderful giving lives that have never tasted LSD. I think you probably knew that before you asked.
I'm not sure of what your asking. This thread is about Whiterasta and my experiances eating LSD crystal. It's not a comparison of our values or lives to your's.
The experiance we had is available to anybody who seeks it. Just might not be through LSD crystal . There are other ways.
Live your own life and don't worry about what we think.
This thread is about the experiance of eating LSD crystal, not what are judgements are of those who havn't tasted it.
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Learyfan]
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I think I'll wait for the afterlife for that experience. But your description sounds very reminiscent of the Bardo Thodol, or Tibetan Book of the Dead, which describes the death experience in great detail. Have you ever read it? What a journey that must have been. Thanks for sharing it. I doubt I'm strong enough to survive such a soul-bashing intact, but then, that's the whole point anyway, innit? Never the same. Like you've been taken apart and put back together a different way, with a few pieces left over.
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Like you've been taken apart and put back together a different way, with a few pieces left over.
And some new ones added
PS I may not be the same person w/o my experience but i feel i still would be "me" with all my flaws and faults.being a human being has some very universal ground we all share IMO I have not gone anywhere we do not have the genetic potential to reach W/O drugs.
will the experience transform you? yes Can you transform yourself? of course. WR
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Yes thats a good point WR. A thumbprint doesn't blast you into sainthood. You don't go around with halo and bless people afterwards.Your a diiferent person with a different perception of the world.
I am still who I am ,but with a different perspective. My flaws are there. I became a herion addict many years after my first print. My life has had many wrong turns.
Psychedelics have always helped me focus. I still use them, but rarely.
What it has given me is faith. Seeing is believeing. I believe what I saw after death.
And it was ultimate perfection. When my life getts tireing, or I feel I am losing focus I can always trust in the knowing that eternity is there. When you can live your life knowing that death isn't something to fear ,but a great moment of transition back home. Then your outlook changes greatlly.
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>When my life getts tireing, or I feel I am losing focus I can always trust in the knowing that eternity is there. When you can live your life knowing that death isn't something to fear ,but a great moment of transition back home. Then your outlook changes greatlly.<
Amen that brother! see ya in summer I will try and make enough comotion you will find me LOL kinda a one man psychadelic circus of trip lyrics will possibly be spewing from me(or not ) Peace.WR
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I'll PM you and give you the number i'll be at. I'll be staying with some friends in Eugene during that time. I'll be out there for a week or two.
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Don't mean to judge. No Inquisition here. But for the sake of young folks reading this post, just wanted to add a touch of grey. After all, it is a fearful thing to question authority. We all want to taste and experience and have the kind of karma required to be accepted. Ridicule is death.
"Never could reach it... just slips away... when I try."
Between the lines,
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We all have the same potential.
My greatgrandmother had a beautiful saying I learned from her as a child.
"She said were not hear to judge each other , here to help each other."
The path is open to all
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: chinacat72]
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This really is a great thread. You could make a movie based on some of the experiences documented here.
I love the scene where the heroin addict has one of his old deadhead buddies over and he sprinkles powdered LSD on his phone. Then after the deadhead leaves, he calls him so that the addict has to hold the phone(and thus, the LSD) in his hand. Then the LSD gets into his system and cures him of his addiction.
I guess the story isn't over yet though. Not until chinacat gets his degree and does whatever he does with that.
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I guess the story isn't over yet though. Not until chinacat gets his degree and does whatever he does with that.
My degree may do nothing for the movement.I hope it can. I do believe in the power of psychedelics to treat mental illness. Every breath I take is owed to the power of psychedelics in the treatment of my addiction.
This road is a longshot, but I believe in the power of LSD. It trully is a gift.
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....wow im speachless.
im hoping to experience LSD for the first time this summer. Its nowhere to be found in SC but im sure after bonneroo and the dead and phish playing in atlanta, charlotte, and virginia beach i will have no problem.
Im aiming to take my first dose at the atlanta dead show to make the most of it. After that i am aiming to move out to Oregon or Callifornia and visit the rainbow familly gatherings and hopefully one day be worthy of the print.
The things you have said only reinforce my belief that everything is infitine, and one and my goal is to experience that oneness and come back before i experience it for eternity.
but one thing that i wonder about. What about someone who commits suicide? I personally would never do it but i have a friend that has bad depressions and had tried numerous times to kill himself only to have the people that love him intervein. He does meth all the time and im hoping one day to show him the light. But what if he does decide to take his own life... does he go to eternity....does he ever experience that love? And the evil people of the world....is there experience different? Do they never get to experience the eternal love? Is it really there fault that they are that way? Or does everyone go though that same thing regardless?
what about to perfect masters that walk to earth such as Meher Baba? Surely he knows exacly what you would be talking about, but he absolutly hate every drug....its all so damned confusing to me.
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I know this sounds bad, but I don't think "God" or "Eternity" looks at suicide any differently than any other death. You're killing yourself little by little every day with almost everything you do, whether it be smoke cigarettes or eat McDonald's.
I don't think a slow suicide is any more appropriate than a fast suicide. I'm not justifying suicide. I think you should help him if you can.
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no no i didnt mean what i said that way at all. i was jsut wondering about the whole suicide thing and stuff...im not looking for any kind of "salvation" i jsut want to experience it before i die.
as for him...im not gonna give him any acid untill he is stable because i know that it could very well bring out something in him thats just lying there. I just want him to see that there is life after death and there is infinite love out there and if he tries hard enough he will one day see this.
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Vulture,
To add to enter's comments, If your friend has "bad depressions" and has tried numerous times to kill himself, then he should not take LSD without the supervision of a mental health professional (rare to find one with psychedelic credentials). Psychedelics are not for everyone. And not everyone else is prepared to handle a worst case scenerio with a suicidal person on a bad trip.
The info at the following URL may be helpful to you:
http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/psychedelic_experience_faq.shtml#6g
As far as knowing the infinite; it's been "damned confusing" for a very long time.
Relax, take a deep breath and have look around.
Good little book: "The Lazy Man's Guide to Enlightenment" by Thaddeus Golas
Also, "Grist for the Mill" by Ram Dass
sorry for my somewhat off topic posts...
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I was just wondering, are there ANY religious trippers out there. And by that I mean, Christian, Muslim, whatever... ? I am one.
Great thread.
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The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: dimmo]
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Amazing, this is truly something I wish to experience at some point in the future. I have been through a death-like 'trip' on a particularly intense fungoid voyage, but to be honest, I was/am left with more questions than answers...
I wonder, if these families consider LSD a gift froms the gods, what do they think of other psychedelics? Are they deemed to be of less value? Or is it just the psychedelic experience in general that is so cherished?
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All psychedelics are seen as gifts.
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thanks for sharing man, greatest post ever! (along with that one in the OD forum ) 
you and whiterasta (and the other guys of the family) should really write a book!
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Learyfan]
#1617931 - 06/08/03 08:27 AM (6 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread is such a great read!
Thanks for sharing these wonderful experiences with us!
There was a time when I considered myself to be very experienced with LSD after several hundred trips in the 70's to the mid 80's but now I realize i only scratched the surface. My highest dose was probably 4 or 5 hits of Window pane in or around 1975. God, and I thought that was a life altering experience! I can't even imagine the intensity of the trips you guys are talking about!
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: Ripple]
#1618207 - 06/08/03 11:26 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah.
My trips must have been like eating a Leary biscuit compared to a guy snorting crystal LSD.
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chinacat-Any advice on how to prepare oneself for a high dose trip, as I'm planning a high dose mushroom + MAOI (Syrian Rue) trip for later this summer. I've been preparing for this for a month or two and have about 1.5-2 months to go. So now I'm just trying to gather as much info and advice as possible and cover all my bases. You obviously have a lot of experience, so would you mind describing the mental and physical preparation that would be helpful for the experience? It seems from the discussion in this thread and in "LSD: Crystal to Blotter" that one needs to completely submit to the psychedelic state. In preparation for a high dose trip, I plan to meditate a lot, read a lot, listen to a lot of my favorite music beforehand, walk in nature, get plenty of sleep, and just think. Also, I plan to have some fairly high dose trips stopping about 2-3 weeks before the big one. Anything else can/should do?
Of course, I'll have a sitter (though I'm sure I won't be getting up anyway) and will observe the MAOI dietary restrictions.
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Re: The [Re: Pala]
#1619078 - 06/08/03 07:32 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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You sound like you have the right idea. You definatley need to fast for at least 24 hours beforehand. Just be ready to let go, but on a high dose you don't have a choice. The more you cling to yourself on the way up the more painful it is.
Be humble and try to dispell any fear beforehand.
Other than that there's not really anything thats going to prepare you for the experiance. As your ego vaporizes and you go out you'll come to the realization that your actually experiancing death. Let it happen,because at that point you have no choice. Then you are gone, or I should say then you are "ALL".
Upon your return to the physical world take your time. Don't try to figure stuff out to fast. You have the rest of your life to figure out what happened. Stay in the moment as long as possible. You will return eventually, but your perspective will be very different.
"If I knew the way, I would take you home"
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Thanks a bunch, chinacat! Your advice sounds great and should be very helpful. And by the way, I absolutely love that quote. As I said in a thread started by Ripple, that song (Ripple) is my favorite song of all time. To me, it expresses the meaning of the life. Thanks again,
Pala
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Re: The [Re: Pala]
#1623333 - 06/10/03 09:13 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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for better or worse, gonna stick this in here.
MESSAGE TO GARCIA
by Ken Kesey
October, 1995
Hey Jerry ~
What's happening? I caught your funeral. Weird. Big Steve was good. And Grisman. Sweet sounds. But what really stood out - stands out - is the thundering silence, the lack, the absence of that golden Garcia lead line, of that familiar slick lick with the uptwist at the end, that merry snake twining through the woodpile, flickering in and out of the loosely stacked chords ... a wriggling mystery, bright and slick as fire ... suddenly gone.
And the silence left in its wake was - is - positively earsplitting.
Now they want me to say something about that absence, Jer. But I have to tell you, man: I find myself considerably disinclined. I mean, why go against the grain of such an eloquent silence?
I remember standing out in the pearly early dawn after the Muir Beach Acid Test, leaning on the top rail of a driftwood fence with you and Lesh and Babbs, watching the world light up, talking about our glorious futures. The gig had been semisuccessful, and the air was full of exulted fantasies. Babbs whacks Phil on the back.
"Just like the big time, huh, Phil."
"It is! It is the big time! Why, we could cut a chart-busting record to-fucking-morrow."
I was even more optimistic: "Hey, we taped tonight's show. We could release a record tomorrow."
"Yeah, right --" (holding up that digitally challenged hand the way you did when you wanted to call attention to the truth or the lack thereof) " -- and a year from tomorrow be recording a 'Things Go Better With Coke' commercial."
You could be a sharp-tongued popper-of-balloons shithead when you were so inclined, you know. A real bastard. You were the sworn enemy of hot air and commercials, however righteous the cause or lucrative the product. Nobody ever heard you use that microphone as a pulpit. No antiwar rants, no hymns to peace. No odes to the trees and All Things Organic. No ego-deaths or born-againnesses. No devils denounced, no gurus glorified. No dogmatic howlings that I ever caught wind of. In fact, your steadfast denial of dogma was as close as you ever came to having a creed.
And to the very end, Old Timer, you were true to that creed. No commercials. No trendy spins. No bayings of belief. And if you did have any dogma, you surely kept it tied up under the back porch, where a smelly old hound belongs.
I guess that's what I mean about a loud silence. Like Michelangelo said about sculpting: "The statue exists inside the block of marble. All you have to do is chip away the stone you don't need." You were always chipping away at the superficial.
It was the false notes you didn't play that kept that lead line so golden pure. I was the words you didn't sing. So this is what we are left with, Jerry: this golden silence. It rings on and on without any hint of letup ... on and on. And I expect it will still be ringing for years from now.
Because you're still not playing falsely. Because you're still not singing "Things Go Better With Coke."
Ever your friend,
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Re: The [Re: ]
#1626871 - 06/11/03 04:33 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, turbotrippers, who to trust?
LD50 SOURCES
Clinical Management of Poisoning and Drug Overdose
by Haddad Winchester
page 459:
"No well-documented human deaths resulting directly from the toxic effects of LSD itself have occurred, though LSD has been implicated in accidental deaths, suicides, and homicides. LD50 (That's lethal dose in 50% of those who injest this much) determinations vary widely with species, begin 46 mg/kg in mice, 16.5 mg/kg in rats, 0.3 mg/kg in rabbits and 0.1 mg/kg in elephants. In monkeys, the LD100 is 5 mg/kg. Death in these animals is the result of respiratory failure, preceded in the rabbit by marked hyperthermia. Human data are manifestly lacking, and predictions of the average lethal dose for humans have ranged from 0.2 mg/kg to more than 1 mg/kg, administered orally. Pharmacotheon by Ott
by Jonathon Ott
p.139
"I must emphasize that there is no danger of death or injury from overdose of LSD, which must have about the highest therapeutic index of any drug known (the ratio of fatal dose to effective dose is unknown since no human being has ever died from an overdose of LSD, but must be very high, as individuals have mistakenly ingested hundreds of doses at a sitting; this is a way of saying that the drug is not at all toxic)."
Psychedelics Encyclopedia
Peter Stafford
p.70
"For those concerned about immediate medical hazards in ingesting LSD...Abram Hoffer has estimated, on the basis of animal studies, that the half-lethal human dose--meaning half would die--would be about 14,000 [ug]. But one person who took 40,000 ug survived. In the only case of death reportedly caused by overdose (Journal of the Kentucky Medical Association), the quantity of LSD in the blood indicated that 320,000 ug had been injected intravenously."
Misc References*
by K Trout
Based on the real world murder of lab animals the following results HAVE been published for LD50 studies of LSD-25:
(Please bear in mind that an oral LD50 is commonly 2 or 3X an intravenous LD50)
Mouse (intravenous) 46 mg/ kg (citing Rothlin & Cerletti (1957) Ann. NY Acad. Sci. 66: 668)
65 mg/ kg (citing information provided by Sandoz Pharmaceuticals)
Rat (intravenous) 16.5 mg/ kg (citing Rothlin & Cerletti (1957) above)
I omitted the rabbit figures as rabbits are extremely overly sensitive to all the major hallucinogens except for mescaline and similar. Source for the above was Usdin & Efron (1979) Psychotropic Drugs and Related Compounds (2nd Edition).
Please also note the values above are given as mg/kg of body weight not as simple mg doses. They suggest a human dose, regardless of the route of administration, would be radically greater than 14 mg.
If averaging the low and high values above, the value obtained is ~41 mg/ kg of body weight. Since this is an IV value (& assuming people respond like rodents)an oral LD50 would likely be in excess of 80 mg/kg (Meaning it would take just over 5 grams for someone of my body weight).
Even taking the lowest figure (16 mg/kg) we still wind up with an LD50 of more than a gram of acid for a 65 kg human; even if using the IV figure as an oral one!
If anyone knows where Hoffer derived his figures, we'd love to know.
Related references (taken from p 70 of Stafford's Psychedelic's Encyclopedia):
For the 320 mg of LSD injected intravenously under the mistaken idea it was speed (this killed the user and appears to be the only instance of death by LSD overdose), the reference is: Journal of the Kentucky Medical Association 75: 172-173 (I have been unable to obtain a hardcopy of this).
For the dinner party where a bindle of pure crystalline LSD was confused with another one of cocaine and this case of mistaken identity resulted in two fat lines being chopped out and snorted by the 8 people attending: Klock et al. (1975) Clinical Toxicology Volume #8 Issue #2.
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Re: The [Re: yelimS]
#1627056 - 06/11/03 05:54 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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(this killed the user and appears to be the only instance of death by LSD overdose),
Read the full text of the journal. The doctor states that there is no physiological proof that the LSD killed him. They just assumed it was the LSD since he shot so much. There guess is he stopped breathing due to the LSD. He shot over 3/10th's of a gram. That would equal out to many grams orally. How a person could shoot that much LSD and not know it is crazy. I guess he didn't get any on his fingers. Must have been a hell of a suprise.
The LD-50's listed are all educated guess's . 5 grams would be a lot of LSD to consume. I don't think you could keep it down. It is said there is a guy who ate 2 grams of fluff. He puked about a minute after he ate it so he didn't consume nearlly 2 grams. I doubt we'll ever know the true LD-50 of LSD since nobody is ever going to consume that much.
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I wish I had the link, but in the case where the guys snorted crystal, their had a very fast heartbeat, and increased blood pressure while under the influence. They came out fine, but the doctor who wrote the report mentioned that someone with a pre-existing heart problem could have easily suffered a heart attack.
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Re: The [Re: Phluck]
#1627164 - 06/11/03 06:53 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Skydiving or sex could be said to do the same. I imagine it's a pretty intense experiance to snort lines of crystal. I had a friend who snorted it, but I never did.
My brains start's to crackle just thinking about it.
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do you think poeple who prefer the darker side of life (suffering? i don't know a better way to put it) would have kind of the opposite type of trip if they thumbprinted? or do you think that eventually the good always wins.
i know some poeple who when they use psychedelics get thier negative beliefs reenforced, thats why i ask.
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i know some poeple who when they use psychedelics get thier negative beliefs reenforced, thats why i ask.
On a thumbprint size dosage you no longer have any beliefs. There is no you. Reactions can vary on the way up, but soon all your beliefs, attitudes and perceptions completly vaporize along with physical reality.
None of it survives a print. There is no I anymore only ALL. Afterwards your beliefs are very different or they may be similar if your beliefs were close to the truth to begin with.
People can bullshit there way threw alot of intense psychedelic experiances. Somehow they can hold onto there twisted ego games sometimes. On a thumbprint thats not even a possibility. You can't bullshit Eternity when it's blasting you to pieces. The more you try to hold on the quicker and harder it burns you. You dissolve and dissolve till theres no you left to hold on.
On a print you can go quietly and easily or you can go kicking and screaming, but you are going to go no matter what.
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Interesting yet very fearful words, my friend.
How can a man possibly committ himself to such an experience?
It seems far more risky and dangerous than I can imagine. Is there anyone whom whe can read about (and who has been in the public eye) that has taken a print (or several prints)?
I would commit myself to the experience, although i would probably want to prep myself with some more high doses beforehand. Why? Many reasons, curiosity, search for understanding, just because you can? Im sure there are varied reasons....
I dont see too too much danger or risk in it..
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Fearful to those without faith. People who have only taken small doses and are still untrusting of the experiance of eternity should stay away.
As for public figures that have printed about it I don't know any except Robert Hunter. He injested a quarter gram and has written about it several times. Thats why I quoted him "I died a thousand deaths".
Most people that have had the experiance are on the rainbow trail or part of the extended family.
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Re: The [Re: PDU]
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Is there a risk for brain damage, stroke, heart attack, a chemical imbalance, mental instability,m etc? We don't know. We can't say. There's no research on this at all. It's scary.
There isn't ever going to be any research on this. All we have is anceodotal evidence from those that have done it. For you this evidence won't be enough. For me it is. Why? Because I know hundreds if not over 1000 people that have done this. How many have had life altering effects that were harmful. None. My mind is bent but very well intact. I will be starting grad school soon. Most of the people I know who have printed lead very rich fufilling lives and are some of the most observant and kind people on earth. Many of these people have exelled greatly in the acedemic world.
As for research on thumbprints there isn't going to ever be any. I don't want there to be. It's a family thing.
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I see several people are concerned about damaging themselves with such an experience.
There may be some risks, but as Chinacat said, you could die from having sex or a car may hit you.
If you truly feel you want to exist fully, do it. What do you have to lose when you can ''come out'' of it with a new ego?
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I don't want there to be.
Why? This could be pivotal in our search for the answer to the age old question "why are we here?".
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My mind is bent but very well intact.
Help me understand you. What does this statement mean, friend?
It means my mind is probably operating alot different(not better or worse) than the rest of society, but still very functionable. I have a very different outlook on life than most "everyday" people I meet. I also have a mind that functions well enough to get a BS with a GPA high enough to get into grad or med school all the while raising three kids.
Before LSD I don't think any of this was possible.
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Let's compare chemicals for a moment, and then try to tell me the same thing.
1. Many humans can "handle" several lines of typical grade cocaine. However, there is a limit to how much one can take before negative effects set in. Some have even died from cocaine overdoses.
2. Heroin, although a very uncommon drug, is done by a small percentage of the population. Some humans can handle it intraveously but many have died trying it, others have died taking too much.
3. Mushrooms can be taken in small amounts or exceedingly large amounts. They're not known to cause death (if indeed they are the 'right' mushroom species' and not a poisonous species). Yet still, they are unbeneficial at a certain amount (ie they do nothing more than keep the intensity going for a longer duration). One hits a plateau.
4. LSD can be taken in small amounts, or like Leary & Dass did - by sipping it from a bottle over the course of three weeks (after a few days they eventually "came down"). But is there an alteration in the experience when one consumes a print? Is there a risk for brain damage, stroke, heart attack, a chemical imbalance, mental instability,m etc? We don't know. We can't say. There's no research on this at all. It's scary.
I dont know people who have thumbprinted, just what i have read, but there seems to very little risk associated with it, research LSD and look at usage patterns in the past, its pretty physiologically harmless. As chinacat said, lots of people have come out fine, and none that have ever been reported a significant turn for the worst after such an event. Seem's like good enough odd's to me. Using drug's, or expanding my horizons is a hobby. Just like biking is a hobby, ive just about died doing that, ive suffered severe stomach ailments from fast food, ive been hit by assholes getting a ride in a car.....eating crystal is likely much safer than any of these things, i dont need a scientific study to tell me that.
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That information is available to anyone willing to seek it.
Research into huge dose of LSD will give nothing to science it can use.
Research into the benifits of theraputic uses will. The treatment of mental problems with LSD is something that science can measure and validate. The use of huge doses of LSD in blasting people into eternity is something that can't. Also after you realize the difficulty in getting research moving there is absolutaly no way that there will ever be research done on humans using thumbprint doses. Its just not ever going to happen. And it shouldn't either. Thumbprints should be administered by the family in a family setting, not a hospital.
These are experiances ment for certian situations. Its of vital importance as your sliping away and crying and flopping around that the person holding your hand is a kind brother or sister who has been there before. It's easier to let go and let God when your with family.
Thumbprints arn't for doctors to study and measure ,but for those who wish to give themselves to our holy sacrement 100%.
People who are printed are people that are felt to be ready and able to reap the benifits from the experiance. If there was a research study done on thumbprints I have no doubt as to the outcome. Doctors can't screen for motivation of heart.
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Re: The [Re: PDU]
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research LSD and look at usage patterns in the past, its pretty physiologically harmless.
I would have to agree. I did a undergraduate mini thesis on LSD potential and safety in treating mental disorders. I am quite convinced that LSD is one of if not the safest drug out there(physiologicaly). More people will die from antibiotics this month than have ever died or will ever die from LSD. LSD can be dangerous mentaly if used improperly or by the wrong people, but I personaly have no doubts about its physiological safety.
On a side not I personaly believe LSD could cause possible physiological complications if used by someone with cardio problems.
If the experiance went bad and anxiety and panic were greatly induced its logical this could cause problems. I don't view this as LSDs fault.
Also there could possibly be an LD-50 for LSD. We will never know it though.
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China,
I completely agree with you on the cardio. I'm not entirely sure that it stops there either. Keep in mind that I am speaking of insane dosages, like a gram.
I completely believe that on such a dose, THEORITICALLY, you could (for lack of better terminology) trick your body into death.
This maybe possible a few differnt ways.
1. You truly believe that you are going to have a heart attack, so you scare yourself into having one. Basically, the "fight or flight" produces such a severe state that you actually do have a heart attack.
Now, would this be an LSD overdose? Or a sort of latent function? Is that even the right terminology? You know what I mean. There have been cases of this before (not LSD). As in "a robber breaks into a house. An old lady sees him and has a heart attack and dies. Did the robber kill her? I say no."
2. You may be able to interrupt electrical impulses that control breathing/heart rate etc...by the power of persuasion basically. Once again, did the LSD kill you, or did you essentially "trick yourself into death". It is no secret that the human body can "shut it self down" in extreme situations.
These are obviously just guesses, but fairly educated guesses. I have taken some pretty severe doses, but no thumbprints or beyond. My best guess is 15,000-20,000 mics. But on such doses, I made a conscience (barely) effort to control my bodily functions. I found it real easy to send my heart rate and breating "To infinity and beyond!!" But it was a million times harder to calm it down.
my $.02 take it for what it's worth.
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Re: The [Re: OLIO]
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It is no secret that the human body can "shut it self down" in extreme situations.
But what caused the exteme situation?
LSD
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Re: The [Re: OLIO]
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The thing about thumbprints is that after the first hour there is no you to create fear or trick your body into shutting down. We have taken BP and pulse of people on thumbprint size doses before and there is a slightly elevated BP and heart rate, but not to extreme. These were experianced people though, and there was no fear involved.
If you take someone with cardio problems that has little or no experiance with LSD and print them, then I could definatly see a bad outcome. It wouldn't be from physiological toxicology from LSD it would be from psychological trauma that interupted natural bio-rythims.IMO.
Really much lower doses have this potential also. We all know that our psychological state can greatly effect are physical state. Anybody can have there heart rate and BP go off the charts while there sitting still if the get mad enough. I have high BP myself and am on medication. My kids can annoy me so much sometimes that it sends it through the roof.
We can only speculate as to these hypothesis, as no studys will ever be done. The fact that these doses are usually only done by people ready for them greatly helps that there are so little negative outcomes.
Thats why I believe prints should be done in the mountians with family and not in a hospital like a lab rat.
One thing I have noticed is at print doses after the first hour when you have been vaporized and are completely gone breathing seems to stabalize. Before that the anxiety and fear have folks breathing like there in a marathon. After they have let go though it seems that the body continues to function quite normaly while there away. It's that first hour thats so traumatic.
There could be a dosage range though that can cause physiological harm. We don't know it and we never will, and people have survived more than a gram.
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Of course people survive those doses. We are actually in complete agreement China. I too believe the acid to be basically harmless. The Lsd taking over after the first hour or so makes complete sense to me and is an ideal situation so to speak. Maybe the danger (assuming that there is one just for arguements sake) lies in the stages where you barely have control. In my weak little hypothesis, this is where you could potentially wreck yourself.
From experience, like I said, I have played around with just these things. After a few thousand mics, I have intentionally thrown myself into such situations. They were pretty futile however, because I knew that I was OK, and the LSD does take over. But maybe someone who was dosed at such a level without them knowing, that had never tripped? Fighting such a dose tooth and nail could/would have severe psych/(possibly physical consequences).
Just for clarification, most of these half assed experimets were with the Jesus blotter in '94 I believe. Midwest tour.
Just to clarify/wrap up, I don't believe in an LD50 anywhere close to what someone might eat.
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Re: The [Re: OLIO]
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LD50 46 mg/kg i.v.(mice)
LD50 16.5 mg/kg i.v. (rats)
LD50 .3 mg/kg i.v.(rabbits)
these are some ld50's as reported From the Merck Index 12th Edition
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I missed something here. I didn't read all the threads, but I can't deduce it from what I have read.
1) What is thumbprinting? (sounds to me that it involves taking a high dose of LSD)
2) What is the point of thumbprinting?
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I don't follow your secenerio at all?
Are you asking what if the guy won't go back to his job?
Job? Whats that?
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1) What is thumbprinting? (sounds to me that it involves taking a high dose of LSD)
2) What is the point of thumbprinting?
1. It's a little tradition were people who work with crystal stick there thumb in it and lick it off. Dose can be from 50mg-1/2gram. My largest was probably around 1/10th of a gram, though whiterasta has me beat by far as do alot of people. A dose this size is like no other. It's a huge difference between taking a couple mgs. The so called saturation level of LSD is quickly toasted at this level. WR can explian this hypothesis better than me. It's also very exhausting and shattering. Something i'm glad I did, but wouldn't do again.
2. The point. It's mostly a ritual of trust. The upper levels of the LSD network are not like any other. There's a level of dedication and trust between each other that isn't found elsewere. This is why the DEA has been so unsuccessful in busting it up. The purpose of a thumbprint is to make sure that someone is on the level and there heart is in the right place. It's a shattering experiance. To explain anymore I would have to get into the whole LSD family philosophy. Some of it is explained in this thread. If your interested read it, though it appears to have gotten kind of long.
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Actually, cardiovascular problems have been reported with extremely high dose cases.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1149410&dopt=Abstract
That's the case of the guys who snorted some acid.
"Emesis and collapse occurred along with sign of sympathetic overactivity, hyperthermia, coma, and respiratory arrest. Mild generalized bleeding occurred in several patients and evidence of platelet dysfunction was present in all."
They recovered and were fine, but there obviously could have been problems.
This dose was likely much, much higher than a thumbprint would probably be. The chances of anyone taking a dose like this is extremely rare.
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I tried to get the full text from that journal last year. I had my campus library order it ,but still havn't gotten it(mabye I should pay my fines). I'm interested to see the results of there bloodwork. They were no doubt poly drug abusers. I would specificaly like to know if there was cocaine or some CNS stimulant present in there blood. I would also like to know exactly how much they snorted. Mickey Hart of the Grateful Dead had two of his kids mistakenly snort crystalline LSD and besides the expected panic they suffered no physical problem. The few folks that I know that have snorted crystal have had no problems either.
Mabye these folks just snorted a very massive amount. I would like to learn alot more. Snorting is a much more bio-efficient way to consume some drugs. There is a wide margin between what it takes to get off eating and snorting most drugs. This margin get even bigger as you move to IV.
This journal has the possibilty to tell us if there is a real physiological danger of LSD at massive doses. If they were using other drugs(which they probably wereIMO) then it can't tell us much. By far the most disaterous trips I have witnessed were people using large doses of LSD during or after stimulant use. It was complete torture for them.
I can't imagine the suprise of thinking your doing a fat line of coke and it turns out to be LSD. You would be high within seconds. Imagine if they wern't that experianced with LSD. You would think you were dying.
Being scared to death could become a real possibility.
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Just for clarification, most of these half assed experimets were with the Jesus blotter in '94 I believe. Midwest tour.
Ahh memorys. Now that was a batch of blotter that we can all be proud of. Good and potent like its supposed to be. 
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1. It's a little tradition were people who work with crystal stick there thumb in it and lick it off. Dose can be from 50mg-1/2gram. . . .
2. The point. It's mostly a ritual of trust. . . .
Well, I'll kick back and read further, but I think I understand the symbollic significance of the thumbprint. What I'm most impressed by is that it really requires that you put a whole lot of faith in your ability not to lose it, because you don't really don't know what you dose is going to be.
As for the saturation point thing, are you saying that the traditional saturation point is revealed only to be a plateau at multimilligram doses?
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Well, I'll kick back and read further, but I think I understand the symbollic significance of the thumbprint. What I'm most impressed by is that it really requires that you put a whole lot of faith in your ability not to lose it, because you don't really don't know what you dose is going to be.
You do totaly lose control. There are people there to take care of you.
For maybe several days to a week afterwards you really need some babysitting.
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As for the saturation point thing, are you saying that the traditional saturation point is revealed only to be a plateau at multimilligram doses?
The limited literature on LSD indicates that after a certian amount increased dosages of LSD add nothing to the experiance. I have heard that this plateau is 500mcg. Lets just say 1000mcg. to be safe.
The difference between 1000mcg. and 100,000 mcg. is enormous.
Length and intensity both increase. Going by the "saturation level" logic this isn't possible. It becomes apparent rather quickly under the influence of a print that what is recorded about LSD plateau is wrong.
Whiterasta has spoken of other neurotransmitter systems becoming involved on print size doses. This seems logical to me. What exactly happens during thumbrints on the neurochemical level is something we don't know, but it becomes painfully clear that there is an increase in effect thats not placebo. At the miligram level I have trouble comparing doses of say 1 or 2 miligrams. I can tell little difference if any at all. On comparing doses of 1or 2 miligrams and 100mg. the doses are vastly different.
A couple weeks ago I did a little speck I would guess was somewere in the range of 2-3mg. Hadn't touched it in several years. Completely flattened me. The experiance was intense and hard(probably my last), but nothing in comparison to a thumbprint.
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Length and intensity both increase. Going by the "saturation level" logic this isn't possible. It becomes apparent rather quickly under the influence of a print that what is recorded about LSD plateau is wrong.
I've read that length increases but I don't remember many of the specifics. I find this hard to understand by 'saturation level' logic as well. If there was a saturation level, then presumably duration should not increase. I'd be interested in whiterasta's theory. You're saying he's posted it on the forums?
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I am of the opinion that the U.S. Government is presently so anti-LSD because LSD has a very potent possibility of destabilizing the economy.
To the goverment its more dangerous than that. It takes away its power which is the goverments life source. People taking LSD and saying we won't fight your wars or follow your rules so fuck off is a direct threat.
In the womb of creation why would you need or want a goverment.
As for the rest of your post ,most people that do prints are already well on the path of dropping out of society. These are people who already have shown a great deal of faith in the family and it's lifestyle.
They have already made the realization that babylon is for the robots and spiritualy dead. If they are trully awakened at heart, then they'll want to help free our brothers and sisters caught in the illusionary reality of babylon. This is were spreading the love comes into play.
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Enter I think you are absolutly correct.Living the Hollow Life is no longer an option after extreme exploration.This IS one of the gov's big fears re LSD.It also points out the weakness of this society,that spiritual exploration is a threat to it's foundation of materialism.
Oh well at 20mcg a dose the gov has little to worry from LSD these days.In fact this will do much to decrease the popularity of the drug as stories of crappy subtrips that cost an arm and a leg take over from the tales of exstatic joy and enlightenment which surrounded LSD till now.
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I believe its in this thread somewere.
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Thanks. Found a little bit about it:
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WR said: The 50-500 range will saturate the seratonin system however LSD also affects other receptors like dopamine and noradrenaline to a lesser degree, at ultradoses these effects come more strongly into play negating the plateau effect.
Now, presumably this would alter the qualitative effects also. Have you personally noticed this, and can you possibly articulate them given the expected intensity of the experience?
Perhaps there would be some psychotomimetic effects resembling amphetamine psychosis?
PS - I am totally against thumbprinting. It is silly. The thumb is the clumsiest of all digits. You really should use the pinky or index fingers.
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A couple weeks ago I did a little speck I would guess was somewere in the range of
2-3mg. Hadn't touched it in several years. Completely flattened me. The experiance was
intense and hard(probably my last),
Why will it be your last?
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Now, presumably this would alter the qualitative effects also. Have you personally noticed this, and can you possibly articulate them given the expected intensity of the experience?
Yes I can tell a difference. In fact I think this is why there is a difference.
On a normal large dose of LSD there is the high visual activity, sensory alteration,synathesia, ego loss,ext,ext. On a thumbprint it feels like you completly short circiut your brain. All cognitive function stops. Like pouring water on a breaker panel it pops then all connections and activity are fried. The cognitive filter is shut off and eternity is able to creep in.Obviouslly all brain activity doesn't stop because you keep breathing and your heart keeps pumping. The brain stem , hindbrain, medulla,pons and cerebellum are probably not affected. I'll stop because i'm trying to explian something I can't explian nor do I know much about on a biological level.
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It may be the clumsiest ,but its the biggest. Also thumbprint sounds better than pinky print.
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Why will it be your last?
I feel that mushrooms and DMT are far easier on me than 2000mcg. of acid. They give me that quick glimpse of eternity and i'm back in a few hours. I love LSD more than any drug out there, but our paths have seperated. I have nothing but the highest respect for LSD.
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sorry leary...i didnt mean to have that responde to you:)
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im adding this thread to my favorites. i got this link from the nook. thanks for all your knowledge and insight china:)
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Chinacat, you are making me spend hours and hours reading these boards and your posts/stories
What you have gone through was a true gift. I know I would not be ready for a thumbprint at this point in time, but I still have a long way to go, and maybe one day I will get the chance to experience something so unreal that words, and even thoughts, can not describe it in a realistic fashion. I truthfully get scared when I even 'think' about what taking that large of a dose must be like. Unbelievable.
thanks for sharing everything
And I also believe a book could be written with material submitted by people like you and whiterasta about your experiences. i know i would buy it quick
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hey guys i wanna bring up somthing here what about the all to famous syd barret from floyd. imean there is always the rumor that he just forever spun by massive amounts of lsd. does anybody know any truths to his condition and was it brought about by lsd?
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Yes, he was mentally unstable and took a lot of LSD. That combination is bad news.
But everyone is mentally unstable to a certain point. Don't know how one would judge if they're well enough to take it or not.
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Chinacat: My kids can annoy me so much sometimes that it sends it through the roof.
Nice to see that (thumbprinted or not) there are some constants
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I truthfully get scared when I even 'think' about what taking that large of a dose must be like. Unbelievable.
Same. Like the Nike slogan - "JUST DO IT."
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whiterasta, GREAT story
and chinacat, another great story
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Awsome story china, ive heard parts of it before but never the whole thing and never from someome who was there, i use to live in the East Bay had some liquid that supposed to come from the Rainbow Family it was bomb.
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Your experiance with the Oregon guy parallels a difficult trip in a couple of ways I think. By that I mean that although it was hard for you and a bit scarry, in the end it was a good thing and left you with something special in the end. Also I would say that he needed that print more than someone who might not have had such a difficult time. He learned something important and it changed him. I always feel like the difficult trips are the big learning experiances. You sometime need the hard ones to grow.
You girl sounds great too. There is nothing like a girl that can sense what you need and knows just when and how to give it to you, weather it is a gentle word or a sensual touch.
It sounds like such a beautiful scene to be a part of. I would love to know some people like you and your friends. It feels like you guys just flow together. I feel like I could be truely open and free in a group like that. And to have the honor of being thumbprinted would (just as you say) be the experiance of a lifetime. I guess for those of us that don't have the chance or time to follow bands and such it will always be a dream.
Peace and love to you man, peace and love!
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Reading through this thread has really left me with mixed emotions. I am dying with desire for the LOVE and TRUST that you speak of. My daughter is the only person I feel this with but she is only eight and it isn't the same as having it with another adult. Not to trivialize what we share, it is just different.I feel like what I imagine it would feel like to be adopted. Like my real family is out there somewhere but how do I find them? I feel lost. But how could I justify taking the time to find them when I have a wife and child to support and have to keep a job to do so?
Why is LSD so hard to find when speading the word is such a sacred calling? Am I not reconizing the signs? Or do a dress wrong or look unaproachable? Do I just have to make time to go to show and festivals?
How do you feel about your own kids and acid? will you introduce them some day? Are you kids a member of the family by default or do they have to make their own way?
This has brought a lot of feeling up in me that I am not sure how to express.
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In the end were all family. Every person and creature that ever lived or will. We all come from the same place and oneday return there. Every particle of energy in the cosmos is connected. It's just most people don't have a clue about this till they die. Those of us that realize these important revalations and try to live in accordance with them are the family.
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Best thread I've ever read. I had a "death" experience the first time I shroomed. My friend and I each ate about half an ounce having no idea what we were headed for. I have inklings of what's described by china, but would love to dive all the way in. All I know is that I've never met better people than those at the Sedona Cheese show and other gatherings I've been fortunate enough to be around. Thank's for the great stories and keeping interest alive!!
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the first time i took acid i would consider the effects to be similar, if not completely the same as, your thumbprint descriptions
i was 14, and a friend of mine who had introduced me to pot not long before that was telling me wild stories of being on LSD in a hotel in washington ... i found the description to be the coolest thing i had ever heard, and not ever having taken anything but pot, i thought it would be cool ...
so he comes to school one day telling me he's going to show me something i'll like ... so he pulls it out and its tin foil concealing 4 hits of PEZ acid ...
we decided to each do 2 hits at my ranch that my dad used to own, while my dad was going to be gone for a few hours and my housekeeper was the only one there ...
we had 25+ acres to roam with no authority or neighbors to speak of, so the setting was perfect ... my mindset was only positive, though what i was expecting was far from what i experienced of course i was just expecting generic gnomes running around and some colors ...
we dose while sitting in the jacuzzi, and wait for it to come on, excited ...
suddenly i look at the wall, and it JUMPS out at me like a giant outward ripple, and i just look at my friend like '... wow ...'
i quickly realized this night was going to be something else ... i had no fear the entire night, and experienced ecstacy that no other drug i have ever taken has ever compared to ... pure mdma capsules, shrooms, etc ... nothing has ever taken me to that level ... my first words while peaking were 'i wish everybody could feel like this always, why don't they? it's so easy, and so natural...'
that was the defining moment of my life, as i tell everybody who asks ... that night changed the way i viewed everything forever, positively ... i knew from THAT NIGHT, 14 years old, that i was going to be an artist for the rest of my life ...
i proceeded to 16 years old, much more experienced with psychedelics, life changing dramatically, but still on that path, graduating a year before everybody else because i was the only kid who knew exactly what they wanted to for a living
im now 18 years old, and though so much has changed in these past years, not one trip has ever passed that one ... i have had only one trip on shrooms/acid mix which i considered stronger, but that night was like a miracle for me ... it shifted my closed-minded, pop-culture, need to fit in attitude to just being myself completely, accepting everything as possibilty, etc ... i came to school shortly after wearing paisley shirts, despite all the 'gay' comments i was recieving or hearing secondhand
i truly feel LSD is a gift, i hope one day to have another lsd experience like it but maybe that was 'the only one' which was to do it ...
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wow what a buitiful story
my first acid trip was not as perfict
i was 10
someone sliped it in my food at the county fair
i was veary scared
i saw the fire works exploding and they went on into infinity and sounded like frogs
but when i started to just walk around the fair,observing,watching,learning my fears lessoned and i calmed down
i saw the buity and potential of all man kind by just staring at a faris wheel
it was not enjoyable by any means but that night definetly shaped who i am today
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i dunno
im pretty sure they diddnt no whos it was
i just left my dinner on a table for like 20 min then came back to get it and ate it
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after the tours stoped,i was part of the group that still spread LSD, from michigan to ohio,down to florida and up to NY.i was a couple levels down from your spot china, my guys layed it,and i was the guy spreading the 10 packs around.haha ya know and sometimes getting it when still wet,trip for days....after years it had got to the point when i was to be "Printed" so i could lay my own stuff. but my friend went out of town, and ahh we have not seen eachother since. "he got busted for 27,000 hits and got 10 years" he will be out this year though so all is better atleast.along my way i had done liquid quite often, what these guys talk about here, for me i barley touched it,but i can say i do barley comprend.these days i still keep some around just in case i need to go back to that place. but manily today i preffer to take special k, for a nice little trip. but if i want to go pretty far i take dmt.
the stories here bring up so many memories. thanks for sharing guys.
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: ask]
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I'm very much into the whole thing of 'existence', 'god', and 'love' all effectively being synonyms.
I have a sneaking suspicion that at some point physics will bear this out. Humans used to think that matter was simply what they could percieve. Then there was the discovery of bacteria, then later, atoms and then quarks, and now later still there are leptons etc, that scientists think are the fundamental particles.
I think there will come a point where we do find the fundamental particle that is the basis of everything, and that it may not be called it, but it will essentially be the love particle! Haha, if nothing else its a nice idea
Theres a great article on the nature of love here:
http://www.srcm.org/literature/articles/feb2004.htm
I'm hoping to meet the guy who wrote it this Wednesday
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Re: The "THUMBPRINT" [Re: ponky]
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its the energy that the fundemental particles are made of
physisists are already lookin for the fundamental particle. Ever heard of super string theory? It's really interesting
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thank you everyone who enlightened us on the thumbprint. Very inspirational.
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i know its hard to explain, but what is a thumbprint like? What do you see if you see anything at all, i'm talking about visions is it anything like a dream or like a DMT world? Where do you go after you die?
Also whats the highest dose of LSD you have ever heard about someone having?
Great thread by the way, read through it for about an hour.
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Re: The experience [Re: beam]
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did you even read it?
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this is history fuck i almost cry when i read the storys here
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Re: The experience [Re: Vulture]
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did you even read it?
yes i did, and i don't remember the the answers to my questions being in there, maybe you could show me some quotes if you think they are are tell me straight up.
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Re: The experience [Re: beam]
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Chinacat72 says "several people have eaten over a gram".
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did you even read it?
yes i did
i edited it cause that's not a very nice attitude to put forth in the pub.
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im sure he mentioned that the visuals and whatnot cannot be explained. Its basically like dieing and then just floating around in eternity and then coming back.
cannot be put into words.
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Cheers free thinker, i'm sure you understand what its like from reading the thread, oh but it can't be easly explained like they said and sorry if i can't except that as a good answer. After reading CC and WR posts i have a lot of respect for them both but i just want to understand it a bit better and if someone takes so much from an experience then in some way they thought something, saw something, felt something or heard something etc. Even if at the time its not possible because of death something has to be comprehended from the experience afterwoulds.
Or is it because someones mind is so shattered from the chemical itself like someones internal map is totally wiped, that your mind is put back together the way the family want's it to be hence the babysitting afterwoulds mentioned. I think a little about this has been mentioned already but would like to understand it a bit better, like what questions you ask afterwoulds.
thanks learyfan, i did read that but wanted to know how much the biggest ever dose was.
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ever try to explain to someone what certain types of music like shpongle or somthing like that is like?
not very easy...its not something that can even remotely be put into words. The english language is just inadiquate.
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So who here would print if given the oppourtunity?
I would if I had the next few days free, and it was just a little bit.. couple milligrams 
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ive often thought about this. I guess being around the right people like and seeing as they know how to handle the situation i would propably do it.
shit would be crazy
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If you held a print up to my tongue I'd run away screaming nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
it's like the executioner for your ego
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Printing is something you really only want/need to do once.
Gah, I can send myself into hyperspace just flashing back.
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i would definitly take a print. it sounds like it could possibly be the most incredible experience a person can go through.
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Well its definately not something you could just do one day eat and expect to be ok. I would need lots of preparation. Wouldnt just lick some crystal at a festival or anything like that...  I dont even know if I have the tolerance yet, I start to lose my sense of reality at about 1000ug or so, from educated guess
But if I had the oppourtunity to work with crystal, I would go in for the long haul. Lots of licking up  
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There is a massive difference between 500mcg and a thumbprint.
There not even comparable trips. As for saturation effect this is from medical research in the 50's comparing doses of lsd. There may not be a notacable difference between 1000 and 2000 mcg. There is a huge difference between 1000mcg. and 40 or 50 mg. Of course the reseachers never ventured into this dosage range. Quote:
Would the 10000 mcg that Jim Morrison is reported to have taken before performing the complete version of "The End" be something approximating a thumbprint dosage, or would a thumbprint be even more?
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Re: The Thumbprint [Re: ferago2]
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10,000mcg?
No way. I don't believe that. That's a gram of crystal.
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Re: The Thumbprint [Re: Learyfan]
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No, it's 10 milligrams... 1000mcg= 1 mg 1000mg= 1g 1,000,000mcg= 1g
In any event, it's as reliable as anything else that he did in fact take that much... it's reported in all the Doors bios and so on, but I would imagine that with his daily drug intakes he had the tolerance to be vaguely functional even on absurd doses.
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You're right. Thanks.
I guess it's possible then. Chinacat said that Robert Hunter took a gram.
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Re: The Thumbprint [Re: Learyfan]
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Robert Hunter said he took 250,000mcg. or 1/4 gram This is verified by Bear and other Dead family.
10,000 mcg. is a sheet.
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Oh, ok. Sorry bout that.
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Not a full print, but I would definitely try like 5mg... considering I have no tolerance aned have only tripped acid once, I think that would be devastating.
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I would take a thumbprint. I'm willing to die and be reborn for a new start.
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I'm very doubtful I'll ever see LSD crystal, but I've often wondered if a similar or identical experience could be had with synthetic psilocybin. It does have an established LD50 (I think), but i believe it's quite high and it's a relatively benign substance and I don't see any indication in the literature of harmful effects, long-term or otherwise. the dose required to reach those effects would be much higher than LSD, probably at least a gram (about 7oz or so in shrooms, obviously too much for someone to consume w/o overwhelming nausea and other symptoms). the reason I say this about psilo is because i've been reading a good deal of the older literature and it seems in early clinical trials some (but not all) people found the effects of synth. psilo and pharmaceutical (obviously very pure) LSD to be hard to distinguish if not identical, except of course for the onset and duration differences. synth. psilocybin is way different (from what i understand at least) than shrooms, probably because of all the additional chemicals in the mushroom. who knows though, given psilocybin's rarity, it may actually be more likely i'll encounter crystal LSD. still, it's not impossible to do a synth if one was dedicated enough i guess and i don't think the main precursors are watched/listed anyway. sorry if that's kinda long, just throwin it out. peace
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Yeah, I was wondering if synth psilocybin is ever around... it sounds like it was more common than shrooms in the 60s... I've heard of people tripping on those pills, but not really of the "acid culture" using shrooms.
It also seems like acid was the main drug in the 1960s, (after weed of course) and that shrooms basically had no presence. When you read about psychadelics in the 60s, whether its celebrities (Beatles, Hendrix etc) or just average folks it's always LSD, I've never heard of shrooms except in the Ginsberg/Leary early 60s, but during the mainstream 60s it seems like there was no mushroom presence at all. Does anyone know why LSD was everywhere and shrooms not nearly as popular then? Was it due to the easy availability of the acid or something else?
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Far fewer people knew how to grow and take care of shrooms back then.
Albert Hofmann was the man who first synthesized psilocybin. Once he did that, the pills started going around.
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i don't cultivation techniques were really up to par in those days. even so, psilo was around, but it was in some ways outside of the typical acid culture (at least that's hwo i understand it, i could be wrong though). it was more underground, kinda like the way mdma was in the seventies i guess. i hope it makes a comeback one day though, would love to try it 
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Ahh memorys. Now that was a batch of blotter that we can all be proud of. Good and potent like its supposed to be.
Not that I have anything really constructive to add but I must say yes, that blotter was good
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First of all, thanks to everyone for sharng their experiences and perceptions of said events. I have experienced an ego death, but not on LSD. It was an accidental overdose of a combination of drugs I do not wish to discuss. Anyway, the "eternity" I spent not being was a profound experience for me, and I have described it in words very similarly to yours. I am a very philosophical and theological person, but I am constantly looking for ways to incorporate my scientifical or empirical beliefs into my beliefs. If chinacat or whiterasta has any time, I would love to be able to send you guys some of my writitngs on my theories of the soul, and the psyche, and how we percieve, etc. and maybe discuss these ideas with you a bit on aim or by email possibly. Can I pm or email one of you guys regarding this? What is the best way to contact you? Thanks for you time if you have read this and please contact me at my email address if you can. That would be awesome! my address is: z_mann_z@hotmail.com
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The most lsd ive taken is 4 drops of great liquid right onto my toung in may of 01. WOW..... i couldnt even fathom a thumbprint.
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Thank you for blessing us with your stories and inspirations. It saddens me to see the availability so scarce at this point, but strengthens my resolve to bring about an entheogenic revolution.
*licks thumb* Nope, not happening tonight.
Here's hoping that continuing on a path of education about entheogens and neuropharmacology will one day bring me into the light of a family and offer me the test outside of time.
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This is a fabulous thread and made for some great reading. Thanks to all who posted!!!
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Ok, I got a question. Do you know the story behind the first thumbprint? Or at least the first dose that high? Was it an accident, or did someone know what they were doing and say, "Hmmmm, this looks like a perfectly good idea!"
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The first "print" was by the inventor Dr. Albert Hoffman,when while working with the substance he got some on his hands.His experience could even be where the "concept" of printing arises.
Well I have seen my first BAD print.
Country fair 2003 my neighbor dosed 1/10th gram.Definatly NOT a family thing. first it was degraded LSD,probably amber but degraded to a greenish hue,She dosed and NO ONE BABYSAT! They put her in a tent. Well after 12-16 hrs she began to stir, then got up and LEFT THE FAIR! Sunday night on my way home I found her walking the back country road we live on.I stopped to see if she needed a ride and recieved the blankest stare, she then just began walking again. I drove on down and told her people where she was and they retrieved her.
She was quite psychotic for a couple weeks and would slip back into a trip state
if she smoked weed. Now 2yrs later she is fine again but swears she will only do Libs and cyans ever again.
Such an irresponsible dosing,of such an ugly product,tells me that the family is no longer running all the Lucy.
Here in Eugene,Or ,while there is "real" family silver and a bit of fluff.Predominatly this green crystal is what is found(looks like someone is tweeking the amber algorythym in the direction of the lavender).It is being laid @ ~30-50mg on white paper by amatures who draw crooked lines in pencil to mark hits.
I pray that LSD is not overtaken by crap chemists wasting good ET making green shit.I no longer do LSD ,Just had my last go with about 600mcg of silver and 7g cubies for new year, my first taste in years but also my last, as China mentioned The BIG trips are more than I need any more so will go on back to the quarterly shroom or cactus journeys.
Any one else seen the "green"
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I've seen Tornado juice(TJ) that was greenish before(80's).
Never worked with TJ much becuase it was shady.
It came out looking different(ie color and texture) every time.
Makes you wonder whats going on in the lab.
Amber, Lavander, TJ and Champange are all non-consistent.
I've seen Amber that was a beautiful light honey color and then
a month later their swinging some dark brown funky stuff.
I remember looking at some lavander under a jewelers glass once that
looked like it had oily dirt in it.
Heard about some shady silver around also. Probably some crappy lav thats bieng sold as silver to those who don't know better. The ethics of the current scene continue to twindle. Money sure has a way of polluting people.
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Im glad to see this thread doesnt die. I've been following it since it started.
I just wanted to add that the whole family ethic of spreading the love and light is somewhat dieing out and many of todays acid dealers are in it for the money. Liquid that was on the dead tour this last summer was weak. Obviously being cut each time its passed down to other dealers.
Im glad to see acid making a come back (and not all of it is of lower quality although alot of it is, there was fluff at phish coventry) i just wish it would fall into the right hands again.
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After reading your posts I feel as though your soul is as old as time. I can tell you are very, very, wise. We I read what you type I feel so inferior for some reason. I hope one day that LSD decides to find me and help me realize who I "truly" am and what my purpose in life is. I hope it helps me find God and the Love that comes with. I could really use a forever love in my life. Until then I will continue on with my life and wait patiently.
For some reason I feel inferior even replying to your posts. I have never had another human being make me feel this way.
I do have some questions though ... In all you posts about your thumbprint you said that you died. How did you know that you had truly found God ? Did it just all of a sudden hit you like a ton of bricks?
I also have more of a moral question ... Would you ever dose your kids ? Now I know you would never dose someone that was like 11 but when they hit about 18 - 20 would you dose them with a thubprint if they asked ??
Thanks, in advance, for answering the questions.
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I hope one day that LSD decides to find me and help me realize who I "truly" am and what my purpose in life is. I hope it helps me find God and the Love that comes with. I could really use a forever love in my life. Until then I will continue on with my life and wait patiently.
It doesn't require a thumbprint or LSD. The psilocybe mushroom and mescaline cactus can provide the experience. Meditation and yoga also give a peak to a few. 5 grams of mushrooms in the right set and setting can immerse you in the light. 18 inches of San Pedro+ 300mcg. of LSD will kill the largest ego and turns any atheist to a believer. The changes in consciousness are not permanent
, but imagine how inspirational it is to look through the eyes of Christ for a few hours. Just love!! And it resides in us all.
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I'm just a regular guy. I got lucky when I was young and wondered into the
culture surrounding the Grateful Dead. Lots of really good people. The system was already in place when I came around.
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How did you know that you had truly found God ? Did it just all of a sudden hit you like a ton of bricks?
In the presence of the light you call God there is no doubt.I can't really say anything that can convey the power of it.
It's far more real then anything I've encountered in this world.
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When they are mature enough I would be happy to.
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Now I know you would never dose someone that was like 11 but when they hit about 18 - 20 would you dose them with a thumbprint if they asked ?
I don't see a need. If they pick they psychedelic path I think the above mentioned methods are plenty strong. If they chose to enter the LSD trade then it would be different. Then a print could be in order. I highly, highly doubt they choose that career path though. They might not even be interested in psychedelics, and that fine. It's their choice.
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Dark_Star
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chinacat72 said:
The ethics of the current scene continue to twindle. Money sure has a way of polluting people.
The scene/ethics will not die out without a fight, I assure you that. Your work has not been in vain! Peace and good vibes to ya! 
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aoxomoxoaMan
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I guess I'm stating the obvious but, I seriously think that quantity is in order. If someone can manage to pump out enough so supply outweighs demand and prices fall then the greedheads will move on to selling more profitable things. If there is enough supply then many more people will be tripping and seeing the light. Those are the people who will drop $350 for a sheet and sell it to their friends at cost and give it away at shows. Those are the people you want to get Lucy off anyway.
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Dark_Star
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There are people that are trying to get enough so they can sell sheets for $75. Quantity will flow again, but it'll take some time. There's nothing like a massive spike in the abundance/availablity of a drug to bring the "authorities" down on all of us.
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Why isnt there more Damage control in who gets quantity. Im not exactly in any position to be talking... but even if i pick up a sheet or so when its around, i only sell sellable quantities to people who wont exploit its value or goodname.
How many tiers does Lucy go through from Crystal, to paper, to kid buying a sheet .. to jerk selling hits for $10 bucks.
Awareness is comming.. and the soldiers are stepping up. Maybe this summer will see some changes.
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how old were you when you dosed the crystal? im very interested in this life changing experience, its what ive looked for in psychadelics since i began my journey into them. LSD is very rare around here, i highly doubt ill ever find actual crystal, but the search is still on. but if i ever did happen to stumble upon some i know ide take it. do you think this would effect someone younger (18-20) for the better or the worste ? i cant see the bad side. but then again, i dont know exactly how the jurastic change is, or how it actually effects you.
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Adamist
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Those are the people who will drop $350 for a sheet and sell it to their friends at cost and give it away at shows. Those are the people you want to get Lucy off anyway.
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chinacat72
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wasting good ET making green shit.
Another thing.
Think of the loss of potential in impure LSD crystal.
Say you go to the trouble of acquiring bulk raw ET. You start with
400 grams and your synthesis leaves you with 100 grams of LSD crystal.
If this crystal is 60% pure then that means you have 40 grams of impurity's.
40 grams is a nice chunk of LSD. 40 grams can do alot of good. Hell even if you could raise the purity by 20% you would get 20 more grams of LSD.
My guess is inexperience at the chromatography stage. That and a reluctance to
perform more methanol rinses at the end.
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Kodos
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could you help me find the lsd to blotter thread chinacat? iv heard about it a lot and the links in this thread lead me to an access denied page. iv even tried searching both forums and looking at the posts you posted but to no avail- am i doing soemthing wrong? thanks! not to be another young'n who wishes he has had some of your experiences but i gotta admit i am
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