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 Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization  [Re: monkeywrench]
#9969096 - 03/14/09 10:02 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wonder what an anti-legalization person would think about this debate. Any of you here?
But, I think the woman was pro-paul until the last minute and then she asked harder questions.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: xaeviax]
#9969497 - 03/14/09 12:15 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Baldwin got worked.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: SuperD]
#9969537 - 03/14/09 12:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, I was actually kind of disappointed in Ron Paul's response to the "gateway", which he only seems to answer in a very roundabout way. I mean I think he does make the correct point, but it is virtually unnoticeable to someone who has not really understood the issue. I don't think he could convince anyone.
Gateway is a myth we should accept, as it is function of the basic human mind that we cannot deny as truth. No doubt, there is an association between weed, and say for instance, opium. But understanding the circumstances of this association is what is important.
Yes it is by association that one connects weed with other illicit substances. But take a wild guess what the particular association is?
Clearly because these other substances are illegal. We should first disambiguate that "gateway" is another word for association, and that in this sense, it is obviously real. But it should be turned on its heals back to the anti-legalization front.
This is how many pot arguments should be understood. For the most part, we cannot deny most of the negative effects, but emphasize the sensationalism and dogma that describes reality as overtly positive and negative, or good and evil. We need to embrace most of the said negativities, and have a stance beyond good and evil. There will be moral backfire, but I think we are in an age where this approach would work. I think Paul does a great job overall, and I wouldn't indicate otherwise.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9969556 - 03/14/09 12:37 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ron Paul has never even been in the same room as Marijuana??? LOL
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9969994 - 03/14/09 01:59 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wow baldwin, the gate-way approach. So last year....
lol.....last century!
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: johnnyblaze2316]
#9970133 - 03/14/09 02:27 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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My answer to the gateway question:
A: "Marijuana is not a gate way drug. This can be very misleading because, marijuana is the most commonly abused illicit drug in the United States. It would make sense that if a person were to use cocaine or heroin that they may have used marijuana previously, not because cannabis caused them to move onto heroin and cocaine but because it is used by more people than heroin and cocaine. Since more people are using cannabis, it would only make sense that people who have used cocaine and heroin have also tried cannabis.
Next question that doesn't involve bullshit propaganda backed up by no science what so ever please...."
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9970215 - 03/14/09 02:43 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cognitive_Shift said:
My answer to the gateway question:
A: "Marijuana is not a gate way drug. This can be very misleading because, marijuana is the most commonly abused illicit drug in the United States. It would make sense that if a person were to use cocaine or heroin that they may have used marijuana previously, not because cannabis caused them to move onto heroin and cocaine but because it is used by more people than heroin and cocaine. Since more people are using cannabis, it would only make sense that people who have used cocaine and heroin have also tried cannabis.
Next question that doesn't involve bullshit propaganda backed up by no science what so ever please...."
Exactly....like how many coke and heroine users would their be if that gateway statement was true??
And all these "Faith-based conservatives" dont know what the hell they are talking about. If they would actually read the BIBLE that they preach from they would know that it says that God gaves us every seed bearing plant to use in whatsoever way we desire.
Their is no passages confirming that marijuana or drug use is wrong, only passages teaching to take care of your body. Recreational drug use is fine in the eye of the real God. Not these narrow minded catholics that have had blood on their hands since day one.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: 3nD]
#9970945 - 03/14/09 05:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I understand and respect the choice of getting Paul to do debate the issue but who the fuck gives a shit what Baldwin thinks about ANYTHING!.. much less a legal and civil rights issue. Why not Barry McCaffrey, or John Walters vs. Ron Paul?
The issue is that any "Authority" figure against legalization would not be able to hold much weight in a debate with Paul. These authority figures like to jump on any pile of shit and point fingers, much like anti-gun advocates ANYTIME someone gets shot, are there to point out that guns kill people.
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Exactly....like how many coke and heroine users would their be if that gateway statement was true??
And all these "Faith-based conservatives" dont know what the hell they are talking about. If they would actually read the BIBLE that they preach from they would know that it says that God gaves us every seed bearing plant to use in whatsoever way we desire.
Their is no passages confirming that marijuana or drug use is wrong, only passages teaching to take care of your body. Recreational drug use is fine in the eye of the real God. Not these narrow minded catholics that have had blood on their hands since day one.
I know a handful of people who have NEVER smoked up, but are heavy users of pain killers and cocaine. Hell, my friend's wife does pharms "because they are safe, otherwise Dr.s wouldn't give it to me." She supposedly has "back problems". I have NEVER seen that girl use her medicine as prescribed, nor does she seem to have back problems. Her favorite is to get drunk and mix in a bunch of pain killers. And I have a problem in her eyes. It's so sad that people don't see the destruction that can be caused by pharms and are so adamantly against natural substances that have been used by mankind for thousands of years.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: trippindad82]
#9972174 - 03/14/09 08:30 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't think it was such a great debate. They were both all over the place, didn't answer most of the questions. Paul was good, but how hard would it be to stand up and recite the talking points. Also, Baldwin hardly got a chance to say anything, so I wouldn't say he got owned. He gave the same old talking points too, when he had the chance.
I don't know what that lady's name is, but I saw another one where she debated Anne Coulter. Not much of a Coulter fan, but it was hilarious to see Coulter stomp all over her.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9972916 - 03/14/09 10:32 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wait is Baldwin a qualified authority? waht the fuck is an actor doing there
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 Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
#9973129 - 03/14/09 11:25 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Stephen Baldwin does not need to speak for people who are "faith based" or conservative, what an propagandist douche.
Yay State's Rights
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: daytripper23]
#9974455 - 03/15/09 03:29 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Marijuana is a gateway drug only because it is illegal, it exposes people to harder drugs because of the fact that you have to deal with drug dealers to acquire it. Any other argument stating that marijuana is a gateway drug is total bullshit. I think the quickest way to legalization is to do exactly what Paul did and what Mason Tvert has had so much success doing and that is to compare marijuana to alcohol. It is difficult for even the most steadfast prohibitionist to argue that marijuana has any of the negative physical side affects of alcohol or nicotine. Once that connection is made it is easier to convince the person that because of the mild side affects relative to alcohol it is immoral to send people to jail for possession. I think it should also be emphasized more that to support criminalization is an outright act of hypocrisy for anyone who has ever tried weed, if you support weed prohibition and you have smoked weed you should be forced to suffer the legal consequences of marijuana possession.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: 3nD]
#9980846 - 03/16/09 11:21 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn good showing from Ron Paul.
I love the ending where that lady is babbling and Stephen Baldwin is pretending to be a bunny and just about to close the show and Ron Paul says, "To me it's the issue of freedom of choice!" He sounds like an innocent old man who is all excited.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: Funguymon]
#9980916 - 03/16/09 11:42 AM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ron Paul 2012 anyone?
I like those two phrases together...
Ron Paul, 2012.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: shroomzey]
#9981657 - 03/16/09 03:03 PM (4 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ron Paul 2012!
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: veggie]
#10022831 - 03/22/09 11:09 PM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Stephen Baldwin used to be a comlete stoner.
Whatever happened to the Stehen Baldwin who starred in Biodome with Paulie Shore!?
Paulie Shore is one of the biggest potheads in early 90s comedy and Stephen had dreads for christsake.
I bet the only reason he picked that side was because he went to rehab for his coke problem and they brainwashed him with the whole "drugs are bad" mentality so he wouldnt relapse.
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Re: Ron Paul debates Stephen Baldwin on marijuana legalization [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#10023272 - 03/23/09 12:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who cares what a washed up celb thinks? In any case yes MJ is a gateway drug to some...but not all....so is drinking, caffeine, and prescription pills...Drugs don't make people take other drugs. People take other drugs on their own accord.
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