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mushroomhunter10
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I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more??
#9932212 - 03/08/09 03:48 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas.
I believe that all of the Amanita muscarias listed here can be ingested for entheogenic purposes (correct if wrong). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria#Classification
I can list them here as well. Amanita: var. muscaria var. flavivolvata var. alba var. formosa var. guessowii var. persicina var. regalis
Does anybody else have a list of other "active" Amanitas such as Amanita pantherina var. pantherina? It contains ibotenic acid and muscimol too. Which are in this list, List of Entheogens, just at much higher levels in pantherina for example.
So are there any entheogenic muscaria variants that I missed and what about other entheogenic Amanita species?
Thanks everybody!
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9932505 - 03/08/09 08:16 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Are you researching these or are you curious about consumption?? The reason I ask is because as far as I am aware, most Amanitas require some, if not a lot, of preparation to break down the Ibotenic acid into a muscimol, usually through the application of heat or "fleshing" and heating. If it is not broken down (there is a name for this process but it slips my mind at the moment), then it can lack the desired affect, cause discomfort or even be toxic, though not always to deadly levels. I have read a statement, that tried to tie most mushroom related deaths to the Amanita family but I am not sure where I read it. Do be careful whatever your choice!
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? (moved) [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9932925 - 03/08/09 11:02 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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This thread was moved from Advanced Mycology.
Reason: Off topic in advanced mycology. Moved to hunting and ID. RR
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: mushroomhunter10]
#9933012 - 03/08/09 11:35 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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weiliiiiiii
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: falcon]
#9933667 - 03/08/09 02:10 PM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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http://pluto.njcc.com/~ret/amanita/
go to section Amanita once your at the main page, just scroll down.
Edited by weiliiiiiii (03/08/09 02:11 PM)
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9938123 - 03/09/09 05:48 AM (15 years, 22 days ago) |
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The muscaria chemotaxonomic group of Amanitas includes muscaria, pantherina, cothurnata, gemmata, flavoconia, parcivolvata, strobiliformis, flavorubescens, frostiana, regalis, velatipes and more..
I've heard parcivolvata can give you an upset stomach..not much research done on some of the others but they contain no amatoxins or phallotoxins, and are not hepatoxic.
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mushroomhunter10
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: HerbBaker]
#9945042 - 03/10/09 10:53 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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I must say. Awesome links. Thanks everybody.
Now I'm just curious as to which Amanitas one shouldn't prepare any teas/brews with.
I would guess that just adhering to the "mainstream" psychoactive muscarias would be the safest bet.
Anybody else, please feel free...
Thanks
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Alan Rockefeller
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: HerbBaker]
#9945329 - 03/10/09 11:49 AM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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The muscaria chemotaxonomic group of Amanitas includes muscaria, pantherina, cothurnata, gemmata, flavoconia, parcivolvata, strobiliformis, flavorubescens, frostiana, regalis, velatipes and more..
Are you sure about A. flavoconia and flavorubescens? They are from section Validae, I had a theory (that I made up one day) that all the muscamol containing species were in section Amanita.
Cactu says some people in his area eat flavoconia for food.
A. strobiliformis is in section Lepidella, is that one muscaroid too?
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Now I'm just curious as to which Amanitas one shouldn't prepare any teas/brews with.
Unless you are an expert in Amanita you should use only the bright red ones with white spots. If you are sure you can ID some of the yellow variants with certainty (like the PNW muscaria) you can eat those too but most people have no idea how many different species of Amanita there are and what the species boundaries look like.
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HerbBaker
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#9945730 - 03/10/09 01:14 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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I'm searching for my source on on the first two, i'll get back to you. Amanita strobiliformis, Ibotenic acid was isolated by Takemoto et al. 1964 from Japanese specimens.
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mushroomhunter10
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#9948124 - 03/10/09 08:13 PM (15 years, 21 days ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:
Unless you are an expert in Amanita you should use only the bright red ones with white spots. If you are sure you can ID some of the yellow variants with certainty (like the PNW muscaria) you can eat those too but most people have no idea how many different species of Amanita there are and what the species boundaries look like.
Yeah I definitely agree Alan. Simply because I've never even consumed the tea, just trying even a Red-capped species for the first time would make me nervous enough to try low, low dosages at first.
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#9951097 - 03/11/09 11:23 AM (15 years, 20 days ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said: Unless you are an expert in Amanita you should use only the bright red ones with white spots.
That might hold true on the west coast but here on the east coast Amanita Muscaria var. formosa (or Fly Amanita) is typically yellow-orange, not red, with white to buff cottony warts with a white to pale yellow stalk/stem is the one to go for. Amanita paracivolvata (or False Fly Agaric) is bright red to orange red with yellowish to cream-colored warts with a pale yellow stalk/stem. It's often misidentified with Fly Amanita.
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Re: I'm curious to know ALL-KNOWN entheogenic/psychoactive species of Amanitas. Anybody know more?? [Re: gandalf579]
#10465869 - 06/07/09 01:14 PM (14 years, 9 months ago) |
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99% of north American muscaria is now called simply Amanita amerimuscaria
Cactu is right about A. flavoconia, ive eaten it a couple times now.
A. falvoconia and frostiana, once believed to be muscaria variants, probably how they got a bad rap
A. flavorubescens also not part of the muscaroid group, may or may not be safe to eat.
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