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Re: False sense of Reality [Re: BombKitten]
#9933194 - 03/08/09 12:21 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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BombKitten said: You know, the realization that everything I knew could all be an illusion never scared me. Quite the contrary, it was empowering.
I've questioned the world as long as I can remember. I remember being in elementary school when I first started asking people if the world could all be a dream and I could wake up one day and be someone else. I was that kid in Sunday school that asked the questions the teacher didn't want to answer. I was pulled out one day for asking who wrote the Bible and why should we trust it if we didn't know. What if it was the devil playing a trick on us.
Fast forward several years and many many questions and I inevitably found mushrooms. The clarity I gained from that first trip was incredible. Instead of having those ideas floating in the back of my mind, I felt comforted by the idea that all may not be what it seems. For once I understood that, ultimately, it didn't matter. I can only react to what I perceive, and should live my life as though it were real. The main difference being is now I can see life like a game. I feel more in control of my own life than I have ever felt before. What was latent hopelessness became the desire to shape my life the way I wanted and the way I felt it should be. This is not to say I disregard all possible consequences to my actions because you can only play within the rule set you are given. I have become more motivated and following a path I probably would not have otherwise. A path leading to my happiness and my rules as opposed to pleasing those around me. It was the kick in the right direction I desperately needed.
Excellent. You had your spiritual realization.......so why keep on seeking more? As much as psychedelics can help people, dont start associating.....
Spirituality = psychedelics
You had a spiritual experience and be DAMN grateful you received help in this lifetime. But the truth is, no matter what realization you receive......there will always be suffering, confusion, and frustration in your life. Its part of the human experience we are temporarily forced to endure. Everything is changing into something else. The problems you deal with in life will require 100% of your attention and desires to appropriately mold your destiny. How on earth will you accomplish this if what you tell yourself may be inaccurate? The second we start telling ourselves "How reality works", then we have created a set of rules/guidelines that must obey from our current state of mind. Imagine seeing someone in trouble, or encountering a major obstacle in life you dont want to deal with. You could simply tell yourself.....
"It doesnt matter, Reality is bullshit and its all an illusion"......but where does that get anyone?
This illusion (reality) you are experiencing is all you have! And one day you may find yourself without the greatest blessing any human could have......the ability to choose your actions. I love TAOism. Ever have a psychedelic trip where everything has some hidden symbolic/religious meaning to it? What you are experiencing is what you need to focus on.
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Re: False sense of Reality [Re: jivJaN]
#9933379 - 03/08/09 01:07 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah but once you "get it" very few know what to do with it. IMO only a very very few seriously benefit from psychedelics.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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jivJaN
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This is not some video game, nor is he experiencing signs of enlightenment
This is a video game. Maybe not video.. but you know what i mean.
This is real fucking life
but even you are bound to cause of effect of this "Illusion" as you call it
Not anymore ..
"I think, therefore i am" is a common theme with psychedelics
I dont like that quote..
Even if this so called "Reality" we experience is an illusion, guess what......YOUR STILL STUCK HERE!
I got a golden tickeeeeeet.. I got a golden twinkle in my eye
How are you gonna be able to "Move Freely", and accomplish what needs to be done, if your so far out there
And what is that which NEEDS to be done ?
For all you know he is a 16 yr old boy who lied about his age to get on the forums, and has underlying schizophrenia
1. I dont believe in schizophrenia 2. That would sure as hell teach him not to lie now wouldnt it ? And btw.. are you saying that 16 year olds are somehow less qualified for this kind of thing ? I think its quite the contrary.. The older you get.. the more you get sucked into the illusion and then.. the red pill kicks your ass.
I am basically on this forum or M&P
I have "rights" here
Perhaps the OP shouldve posted in physical and mental well being.. or the psychedelic experience. I think people are starting to wake up.. and the last thing im gonna do is tell them its BAD. However it may seem.. and whatever you go through.. its a lesson. Learn from it.. Thats the game
Oh..I forgot.. You had a post of your own that read something like
Spirituality is a very personal subject.
I responded.. but you never replied back. It is everything but personal..
-------------------- --------------------- All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional. They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively. I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal. If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: False sense of Reality [Re: jivJaN]
#9933630 - 03/08/09 02:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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jivJaN said: 1. I dont believe in schizophrenia
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Tea said:
Excellent. You had your spiritual realization.......so why keep on seeking more? As much as psychedelics can help people, dont start associating.....
Spirituality = psychedelics
You had a spiritual experience and be DAMN grateful you received help in this lifetime. But the truth is, no matter what realization you receive......there will always be suffering, confusion, and frustration in your life. Its part of the human experience we are temporarily forced to endure. Everything is changing into something else.
I was only sharing a personal story. I would never say that psychedelics are the answer for everyone, only that it happened to be what I need. It seemed fairly relevant to the topic at hand. I can also not deny that maturity was an essential part to my growth as well.
I understand more than ever that change is an inevitable and essential part to life. The difference is I can embrace change whereas before I tried to stop it.
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The problems you deal with in life will require 100% of your attention and desires to appropriately mold your destiny. How on earth will you accomplish this if what you tell yourself may be inaccurate? The second we start telling ourselves "How reality works", then we have created a set of rules/guidelines that must obey from our current state of mind. Imagine seeing someone in trouble, or encountering a major obstacle in life you dont want to deal with. You could simply tell yourself.....
"It doesnt matter, Reality is bullshit and its all an illusion"......but where does that get anyone?
This illusion (reality) you are experiencing is all you have! And one day you may find yourself without the greatest blessing any human could have......the ability to choose your actions. I love TAOism. Ever have a psychedelic trip where everything has some hidden symbolic/religious meaning to it? What you are experiencing is what you need to focus on.
Forgive me if I'm misreading your post, but are your countering what I said or agreeing? I'm not the best with words and I was trying to say exactly that.
Reality may or may not be an illusion, but it doesn't make any difference. You can only do with what you are given. Speculation is fun but when it comes down to it you cannot assume (or react on) what you do not know.
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Re: False sense of Reality [Re: jivJaN]
#9934080 - 03/08/09 03:34 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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jivJaN This is not the Matrix
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Interesting how your emoticon is holding his hands over his eyes
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jivJaN said: Interesting how your emoticon is holding his hands over his eyes
. A+
But seriously, just visit any mental institution or psychiatric care center. Schizophrenia is a vague term, I'll admit, and certainly encompasses a variety of diverse disorders (not to mention the fact that the traditional shaman would be classified schizophrenic by any modern psychiatrist), but this does not change the fact that many people do suffer from a horrible condition that is also called schizophrenia. There have been quite a few recent studies pointing towards schizophrenic symptoms being alleviated with high doses of B complex vitamins; it's apparent from certain cases of paranoid schizophrenia and catatonia that the disease is primarily neurological and doesn't automatically have a mystical or psychological significance.
Hero's journey and Kundalini awakening asides, schizophrenia can be very real to the unfortunate souls who have it.
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Re: False sense of Reality [Re: deCypher]
#9934906 - 03/08/09 06:12 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh i agree.. Dont get me wrong.. When i say i dont believe in it.. its just like saying i dont believe in ADD. The condition exists.. i would just be careful with labeling somebody.
Paranoid schizophrenia is what one should be possibly worried about.. which again doesnt have to necessarily mean that it is a mental illness.. the condition implies a fearful reaction.. and you know how i feel about fear.
So what would make it into an illness .. is basically the thought of it being an illness.. Like you said.. a shaman would most definitely fit the description of this disorder.. The thing is.. they are raised to get familiar with this.. so they cope with it better.
I know this is debatable.. but i do believe schizophrenia is related somehow to the pineal gland. Just like somebody can freak out when he realizes hes not alone in his room after a nice toke of the spice.. another might attempt to converse .. Its all about the attitude.. Like someone above said.. the notion of this "reality" we perceive being a highly structured illusion can be tremendously empowering.. liberating.. But it can also strike as insanity creeping up and give one a sense of fear that it is not easy to deal with.. But that is what i think should be done.. It should be dealt with. These are issues we are trying to overcome.. get used to.. and i dont like discarding any situation as being a result of some misfiring neural activity , or a potential disorder.. Both options are possible.. and both types of advice can have a negative affect if the circumstances are such.. If i listened to every person that tried to convince me i am crazy.. i might just believe it in the end. That is why i try to be honest , instead of pretending to have medicinal or psychological advice , when i doubt its validity in the first place.. Straight up.. I am not gonna lie.. I dont think he should call it quits. I dont think he should dose again either if he intends to do it again without an open mind. Sometimes the mushroom will open your mind for you.. and if you werent ready.. you end up with a sore ass.. Shit happens.. learn from it.. Thats really all it comes down to in the end.. Learning .
Let me share a nice little story with you.. just in reference to psychiatrists and such.. I was going to college.. but not really going. I started off good.. but kind of slowed down .. and in the end i wasnt going at all. The end of my first semester was approaching.. so i decided to see the university shrink , so to speak. I had a 30 minute appointment scheduled.. which turned into 3 hours. None of these kind of topics came up.. i was talking about sleeping only if i literally collapse and pass out.. I would stop talking to her in the middle of a sentence and just stare at the floor. When i did look at her.. it would be - left eye - right eye.. moving them left and right really fast. Moving my hands rapidly.. and shaking my legs. I wont go into too much detail right now.. But she damn near cried. I think she did.. I was acting everything out.. and got perscribed to so many pills.. i would have most likely been a zombie if i was actually taking it. Anxiety , mood stabilizers , anti-depressants , and HARD sleeping medication.. and more.. I acted out the whole thing. Didnt fail any of my classes.. and this woman called me home to check up on me every now and then. I regret misleading her like i did.. Anyway.. these people.. dont know what the hell they are doing.. in short.
And you know whats funny.. i did it after taking ADDerall the night before , which made it impossible for me to sleep. So their medicine.. makes you crazy.. Btw.. just a FYI.. the aderall they got here.. is pretty damn close to some good speed back home.. And they got little kids taking this stuff.. Yup. Amphetamines..
Im sorry.. I just cant be unbiased when it comes to psychiatry.. And it breaks my heart to see so many special people end up like walking corpses , because someone thought its "best for them" .. so i wont visit a mental institution.. Unless they throw me into one.
-------------------- --------------------- All my posts in this forum are strictly fictional. They are derived from an acute mental illness , from which i am forced to lie compulsively. I have never induced any kind of mind altering substance in my life and i have no intentions whatsoever of doing anything illegal. If I have ever suggested such a thing it would have most likely been , due to my personality disorder and i probably do not remember it at all..
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Re: False sense of Reality [Re: jivJaN]
#9935750 - 03/08/09 08:15 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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So what would make it into an illness .. is basically the thought of it being an illness.. Like you said.. a shaman would most definitely fit the description of this disorder.. The thing is.. they are raised to get familiar with this.. so they cope with it better.
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Its all about the attitude..
Having a history with mental illness myself, both diagnosed schizophrenic, and more current diagnosis of bi-polar, what I know of myself, the way I am and behave is perhaps not the "norm" per se, however mental illness????
When we train ourselves to see our actions and responses as abnormal I think this is exactly the point where neurosis re/enters the equation. I guess my point is...I agree.
Attitude is the pivotal factor. Of course there are cases that can not be managed in this way...extreme delusion, or impairment of daily functioning.
But instead of chastising and degrading ourselves or others for seemingly abnormal behaviour/reactions we could examine possible causes and gauge their importance.
I find that people hang on to "reality" as a child with their blankie it is a comfort to have that sense of stability. Because of course insanity is a communicable illness one must be wary of at all times.
"If all of these nuts could make phone calls, they could spread insanity, oozing through telephone cables,oozing to the ears of all these poor, sane people, infecting them; wackos everywhere, plague of madness." --Jeffrey Goines
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Re: False sense of Reality [Re: jivJaN]
#9935945 - 03/08/09 08:47 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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jivJaN said: And it breaks my heart to see so many special people end up like walking corpses , because someone thought its "best for them"
Agreed, which is why saying 'taking it easy on the drug use to treat a case of DP/DR is pussy advice' seems rather naive. We don't want people needlessly exacerbating a mental disorder by using yet more psychedelics.
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Having a history with... of bi-polar
You have been to both the Arctic and Antarctica? Very cool!
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