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 Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: krypto2000]
#9814788 - 02/17/09 01:52 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Im highly skeptical of ego-death from weed, no matter what the quantity. Just my 2c.  The shroom buzz has it all over weed in that it makes you one on some crazy deep level with the 'spirit' of objects and your surroundings.  
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Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: vandago]
#9814819 - 02/17/09 01:59 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well the op sounds like a puppet to me........
He is, no one gets ratings raped like that in the pub....
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satyr
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Despite the standing of the OP, I will contend that "ego death" is quite possible with cannabis. Not everyone may achieve this, but it does happen.
I frequently use high grade chronic and hashish to reach states beyond the ego, combined with meditation.
Cannabis can be a wonderful catalyst to reach such states, often just as well as the other psychedelics.
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Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: satyr]
#9814925 - 02/17/09 02:21 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't think ego death can be achieved from bud. I don't care how much bud, its just not possible. Ego death is a part of the psychedelic experience, and while weed is somewhat psychedelic, by NO means does it even get into what a full blown psychedelic experience is.
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I don't think ego death can be achieved from bud. I don't care how much bud, its just not possible. Ego death is a part of the psychedelic experience, and while weed is somewhat psychedelic, by NO means does it even get into what a full blown psychedelic experience is.
Not possible? What would lead you to such conclusions?
Sure, ego death is part of the experience of traditional psychedelics, but it is by no means limited to them.
I have overcome the ego by mere meditation alone, not to mention what I have achieved using cannabis. There are others out there that can attest to the same thing.
Traditional psychedelics tend to catapult one into these higher states without the consent of the user. No matter what you do, a high dose of LSD, DMT or mushrooms will take you to extreme places.
Cannabis on the other hand gives the mind the tools necessary to take itself into these higher states of being without taking the wheel as the other psychedelics do.
To disregard the potential of cannabis is an indicator that either one is not using enough, using inferior quality, a combination of both, or the mind just isnt capable of experiencing these states for some reason or another.
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Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: satyr]
#9815012 - 02/17/09 02:35 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Its just my opinion, weed is different from your tryptamines and phenethylamines. Its weed. It has its own unique effects, non of which included the ego death that can be brought on from psychedelics IMO.
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deCypher
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I can definitely see weed in combination with meditation producing ego death; this condition isn't by definition exclusive to serotonergic psychedelics.
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Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: deCypher]
#9815294 - 02/17/09 03:23 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I personally think it is. I have smoked quite a bit of weed at high doses as well. Never have i gotten psychedelic mind set, i have been really high. But not the clarity and flowing thought, and connectedness to everything and dissolving of the ego like psychedelics. This is just my opinion from my own experiences. But i would be shocked if someone got ego death from marijuana. Also this OP is a straight up troll, and i also think that ego death would happen more common in weed with meditation.
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Edited by Cognitive_Shift (02/17/09 03:25 PM)
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Hmm. I don't think marijuana alone can grant ego death (unless you're extraordinarily lucky), but certainly years and years worth of meditative practice in combination with such a potent psychoactive could help dissolve the boundaries of the self, no?
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Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: deCypher]
#9815337 - 02/17/09 03:30 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, but i would attribute that more to the years of meditation rather than the cannabis
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Yea, one can get so high that he forgets where and who he is, ive been this high...I dont know if you could call it ego death though, atleast compared to mushroom ego death, wich is where ego death comes from...
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Agreed.
Now all we need is for someone to start a raging debate over whether dissociatives can produce ego death. 
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Re: EgoDeath on Bud? [Re: deCypher]
#9815381 - 02/17/09 03:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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No they can't!
Yes they can!
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Edited by Cognitive_Shift (02/17/09 03:44 PM)
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I agree with you cognitive shift, but am I correct in saying that we both agree it can help in transcending the ego? Ego death is possible with nothing more than great willpower. I've very rarely had any psychedelic effects from ganj, but I have seen the potential it has.
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Lies, stop hating, and yes i have tried shrooms.
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Quote:
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Well the op sounds like a puppet to me........
He is, no one gets ratings raped like that in the pub....
It was my first or second post, I was brand spankin' new to the shroomery and I thought that it would be a loving community full of... wonderful people all set to help newcomers advance in their individual tastes, and help each other discover new things through cooperation. Now I know that... this is relatively true, I just came out in the wrong way and got insta' hated. But I guess having a good general rating isn't everything. I'll survive and do what I would of done with a good rating anyway. It's just instead of everyone cooperating with me, they'll look at my general rating and go, "TROLL, LURKER, RETARD".
(and of course I don't mean everyone, when I say everyone. There will always be flamers and smart asses)
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Making claims that peanuts and banana peels are hallucinogenic when smoked, and you ate mushrooms everyday for weeks. Don't make obviously false statements and people won't think your a troll.
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I said no such thing about peanuts, but i have tried the banana idea out of the anarchy cook book, and it worked(slight hallucinogenic effects lasting from 5~15 min). Hate all you want it wont change much. I mean really, you think it's that amazing to have shrooms a few times in one week? And if you must fight every comment i make at least try to cut back on your gross over exaggerations; It was about 2-3 weeks at least 4 times a week. When i was first introduced to them i was crazed for them, but i didn't have any significant trips unless i consumed more than 2 grams dry.
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Oh yes you most certainly did. I'm not mentally retarded, you said banana peels and skins of peanuts are hallucinogenic. Both are lies. You claim to eat mushrooms everyday for a week. Then you also tried to scam people for 15 dollars. Not really a good start to a site where people are smarter than you think they are.
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What scam was this? As i already said, i simply asked for a spore print or paypal cash that had one. Obviously i regretted it, i mean, it's not like i have said it was a bad idea 5 or 6 times. And you must be mentally retarded because i searched my threads and couldn't find this mysterious comment that implied, that i believed in, or encouraged the belief in peanut shells as a hallucinogenic. And i damn well know quite a few of these people are smarter than me.
So now you don't only spread lies, over exaggerations, and false impressions... you had to stuff words in my damn mouth, and say that they are mine?
hohoho... you conniving, cheeky, respected member of the community, what hath i done to deserve your wicked wrath?
(you get 5 shrooms just for designating so much of your busy life to the cumbersome task of badgering me)
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