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 Jethro Tull
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 The Present
#9798487 - 02/14/09 09:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hello. I joined this forum to not only learn more about psilocybin, but to show you all something that I stumbled upon. I've spent a lot of time seeking answers regarding life and death through psychoactive substances and reasoning, which led me to this website last month.
www.truthcontest.com
Click on "The Present" or "The Present (with religion)" if you're into religion.
Open the file in Word, and click Read Only.
I firmly believe that mankind will change drastically if this book reaches enough people. The writing is not perfect, but the ideas are very interesting and the best part about them is that you can check them for yourself, in reality. The content is in a progressive order so start by reading the first ten pages or so. The website itself is a contest to help spread the truth about life and death to the world. If you know the truth, please submit an entry.
All I'm asking is that you take a look at the book; once you read the first few pages you will see what I mean. I'd love to start a discussion about the topics in this book on this forum, because mushrooms are a great tool to open the mind and many of you have seen beyond yourselves.
Thank you very much, and I hope this book helps you grow spiritually like it did for me.
Edited by Jethro Tull (09/04/09 08:28 AM)
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 Poid
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I'll look into that; in the meantime, now that we're on the topic of books, I'd like to suggest that everyone read this:
I just realized that I should probably introduce this book to the Music, Art, and Literature forum instead of bringing it up here. 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylan   fireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
Edited by Poid (02/14/09 09:41 PM)
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C.M. Mann
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Hell-o! Before I spend time with this "book", bring up a topic so I know what you are talking about.
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TameMe
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Quote:
Jethro Tull said:
I'd love to start a discussion about the topics in this book on this forum, because mushrooms are a great tool to open the mind and many of you have seen beyond yourselves.
Why not actually bring up a topic in the book then?
as of right now your post seems like spam.
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Jethro Tull
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 Re: The Present [Re: TameMe]
#9801520 - 02/15/09 07:36 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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This book attempts to reveal the truth about life and death.
There are a wide variety of topics, but I'd say the main point is that the truth = that which is, or the perpetual, present moment.
The mind blocks out life and only focuses on what it thinks is important.
This book shows how we as humans have the ability to see past our minds and let all of life into our immortal, spiritual being to reflect it back out. Since life is always in the present moment, one must always live in the present moment.
Just read the first ten pages and bring up whatever you want. =)
I've read both versions and I'm pretty familiar with the topics, I'd be happy to discuss them with you all.
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..and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Quote:
Jethro Tull said:
Hello. If you know the truth, please submit an entry.
Hello, Jethro, welcome to the Shroomery.
I'm selective about where, when and with whom I share the truth as much as I know it. It is the path of wisdom.
Cheers,
MM
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Poid
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"I'm selective about where, when and with whom I share the truth as much as I know it."
Why?
"It is the path of wisdom."
What is? Keeping secrets?
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Indigenous
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Quote:
Jethro Tull said:
This book attempts to reveal the truth about life and death.
I am suspicious of anyone who claims to know the truth about life and death.
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Poid
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As you should be! 
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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Jethro Tull
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Re: The Present [Re: Poid]
#9801978 - 02/15/09 10:20 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should be suspicious, never trust anyone who claims to know it. One must seek to find the truth. You have to check it for yourself.
"The Present" uses logic and evidence in reality to bring out the ultimate truth. It provides a lot of examples that you can check for yourself with a rational mind. It bends down the branch, but you have to pick the fruit.
Why would you be hesitant to share the truth? If you know it, you can only benefit others by sharing your insights.
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..and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
DC at: Oneness
Edited by Jethro Tull (11/27/09 10:28 PM)
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Indigenous
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I don't think that we are capable of knowing the absolute truth. People's perspectives and paths are all different. Sharing what is true for you may not be true for another. We all have to find what is true for us. I am careful who I share with and who I go to for advice and teaching.
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Jethro Tull
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You are indeed correct when you say that we have to find out what is true for us, the truth lies within. This thread is not about preaching the truth, it is about discussing the ideas found in "The Present." Check them for yourself in reality and see if you can draw any connections to your life.
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..and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
DC at: Oneness
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Indigenous
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I found one that I liked.
I don’t have to have faith, I have experience. Joseph Campbell
Edited by Indigenous (02/15/09 12:05 PM)
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Jethro Tull
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I like that one too. The book incorporates a lot of past philosophers and great minds who had inspiration pass through them. They are all essentially saying the same thing, and that is what The Present tries to show. If you read from the beginning you will see many examples that relate to the central idea of the book (truth = that which is = present moment).
One of my favorites is a quote by Einstein that is repeated throughout the book: "Great spirits are always opposed by mediocre minds." No matter how spiritual you are, being around active minds will always bring you back into the mind games.
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..and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
DC at: Oneness
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: The Present [Re: Poid]
#9803618 - 02/15/09 04:26 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Poid said:
"I'm selective about where, when and with whom I share the truth as much as I know it."
Why?
"It is the path of wisdom."
What is? Keeping secrets?
I also don't give hand grenades to 5 year olds. Would you? Same reason(s).
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I read some stuff form that site, some of it seems well meaning, but the truth is no one knows anything, we cannot express fundamental truths about reality with words, we may only experience it. Who knows what happens when we die, logic could be totally irrelevant.
Edited by xFrockx (02/15/09 04:46 PM)
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learningtofly
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Quote:
Jethro Tull said:
You should be suspicious, never trust anyone who claims to know it. One must seek to find the truth. The truth lies within, so you have to check it for yourself.
"The Present" uses logic and evidence in reality to bring out the ultimate truth. It provides a lot of examples that you can check for yourself with a rational mind. It bends down the branch, but you have to pick the fruit.
Why would you be hesitant to share the truth? If you know it, you can only benefit others by sharing your insights.
No it doesn't. I've only read the first few pages but there's already contradicting quotes and things about subjectivity. Absolute truth is objective and therefore cannot be written down by a person because people inherently view things and rationalize them based on their own beliefs and experiences.
Ex. of something already wrong with this book... it says
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The Rorschach inkblot test, is that inkblot that psychologists show to people and ask them what they see. Everyone will see something different depending on what their imagination comes up with. The truth is, it is an inkblot.
and thats fine... however until this statement comes up Quote:
It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see.
so which is it?
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Jethro Tull
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Re: The Present [Re: xFrockx]
#9804004 - 02/15/09 05:52 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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we cannot express fundamental truths about reality with words, we may only experience it.
This is true, we cannot think about or rationalize the truth, we can only experience it, because it is always in the present. The perpetual moment is the only thing we can experience, and therefore it is the truth. Logic is of the mind, Experience is of the spirit.
"It is not what you look at, but what you see."
By looking at something, you identify it and it is related to something previously defined in the mind. When you see something for the first time, it is new and is purely visual stimulus until you identify it. This quote is saying that everything can be new, if you sense it instead of identifying it. It doesn't matter what you are looking at, you are seeing life and it can always be new if you live without the mind.
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..and in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.
DC at: Oneness
Edited by Jethro Tull (02/15/09 05:55 PM)
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learningtofly
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Can you please elaborate for me on how "the perpetual moment" has been inductively found to be the truth?
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"This is true"
I disagree, lol.
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