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well, as we see, many people can only deal with death/funerals through superficial laughter
why force a regime of sadness or happiness upon them?
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Who was forcing any regime on them?
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Reading it for the second time makes more sense 
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Well, the latest was the funeral of one of my friends -who's 18- mother (heart attack).
His dad had previously committed suicide when he was 7.
He is such a nice and strong guy, so yeah, we were not laughing at all. Sorry guys if you live around assholes.
Thing that struck me was that, whatever we might want to say, everything we expressed was so... commonplace.
The speeches were ridiculous (it was in a church, half of them were just about praising Jesus, which disgusted me), and it felt as everything I wanted to say would remain stuck inside.
So most the time, people remained speechless. But the little they said, everyone was saying the same.
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churchs aren't ideal for secular people
but the structure they provide can be useful at these times
we do need other structures for mourning though, as several of your have pointed out
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I've been to one funeral and laughed my ass off.
Something in seeing a drunken priest that didn't know the dead dude - but still tried to praise him, and his relatives that were pretending to be sad while at the same time making remarks about who's getting the fortune, made me lose the last bit of respect for the whole thing. 
How many loved ones have you lost?
There's a fair bit of psychology that goes into this. I gave a eulogy for a dear friend that passed away. Part of it was recalling some humorous events between the deceased and myself. The whole church broke up laughing. I didn't. And I told the stories as way to commemorate the man, bring reality to the situation and ease the family's burden. They laughed and cried tears of joy because they knew their loved one was at peace with Jesus. I saw nothing wrong with that.
Disrespecting the dead by laughing could be seen as the hallmark of sociopathy, a chilling reminder of those without compassion or conscience.
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How many loved ones have you lost?
It doesn't make any difference to the topic.
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Disrespecting the dead by laughing could be seen as the hallmark of sociopathy, a chilling reminder of those without compassion or conscience.
So, laughing at a funeral, because of the situation revolving around a dead person, with close relatives fighting over fortune is disrespecting the dead? Not to mention that I see absolutely no reason why a person should earn my respect just because they died. If they had my love or respect before they were dead, then the situation completely changes, and it most definitely doesn't mean that a person can't feel both love for the dead person and irony or sarcasm or even humor while laughing about a completely different situation, even if it is taking place at their funeral. Being aware that we have a multitude of feelings at the same time is not a sign of sociopathy.
Having to have respect for the dead, because that's the nice thing to do, is merely a masked fear of one's own death. I choose not to fear my death and I choose not to act foolishly, giving my respect to situations or people that require it.
What about the cultures that worship dead, and celebrate in joy and laughters the death of their close ones? Are they sociopaths, or does it mean that fearing death or suffering because of it is nothing more than a cultural conditioning?
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It doesn't make any difference to the topic.
How you respond to death has a lot to do with your experience with it. Like the idiots who tell you, "I know how you feel," when you've lost a spouse, child, parent, etc and they haven't. A person can't truly understand that until they have experienced it. Even then, it isn't always possible. It's like trying to explain color to a blind person or a mushroom trip to someone who's never taken them. You can approximate, nothing more.
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So, laughing at a funeral, because of the situation revolving around a dead person, with close relatives fighting over fortune is disrespecting the dead? Not to mention that I see absolutely no reason why a person should earn my respect just because they died. If they had my love or respect before they were dead, then the situation completely changes, and it most definitely doesn't mean that a person can't feel both love for the dead person and irony or sarcasm or even humor while laughing about a completely different situation, even if it is taking place at their funeral. Being aware that we have a multitude of feelings at the same time is not a sign of sociopathy.
Having to have respect for the dead, because that's the nice thing to do, is merely a masked fear of one's own death. I choose not to fear my death and I choose not to act foolishly, giving my respect to situations or people that require it.
What about the cultures that worship dead, and celebrate in joy and laughters the death of their close ones? Are they sociopaths, or does it mean that fearing death or suffering because of it is nothing more than a cultural conditioning?
I wasn't referring to your behavior unless you were joyous the person was dead. Nothing you said indicated that. Some occasions carry with them an air of respectability. It's like attending a funeral. Sometimes I don't go to respect the dead. I go to show my respect for the family. If I have no respect for either, I don't go. Why would I?
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I've been to one funeral and laughed my ass off.
Something in seeing a drunken priest that didn't know the dead dude - but still tried to praise him, and his relatives that were pretending to be sad while at the same time making remarks about who's getting the fortune, made me lose the last bit of respect for the whole thing.
Sorry, but:
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I'd rather have my funeral be celebrated with laughter and fond remembrances of the happy times in my life than with tears. 
I'd rather not have a funeral at all, but I won't care if the opposite will happen, since I'll be dead already. 
Wouldn't you like to be buried in a huge granite mausoleum dedicated to the memory of your legacy?
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Well I try my best to be just like I am, but everybody wants you to be just like them. -- Bob Dylanfireworks_god said:It's one thing to simply enjoy a style of life that one enjoys, but it's another thing altogether to refer to another person's choice as "wrong" or to rationalize their behavior as being pathological or resulting from some sort of inadequacy or failing so as to create a sense of superiority or separation as yet another projection of a personal fear or control issue.
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 Re: Altruism [Re: Poid]
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No, I'll leave that to you, you seem to be enjoying that kind of stuff so much 
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Poid
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You forgot to end your sentence with a period. 
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