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 RedDevil420
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 so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did 
#9732963 - 02/04/09 02:49 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i got impatient, for reasons of my own. i cut away a partially colonized cake and im gunna fruit it tomorrow. it's dunking right now. i have a clean water bottle, i was gonna cut away the top and cover it with a bag. should i zip the bag, but leave it loose for FAE? or put an elastic around it. and can i crumble and not case? or leave it whole and use verm under it for humidity? of course with a piece of foil under it.
i was hoping to just crumble it, or leave it whole
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Edited by RedDevil420 (02/04/09 02:58 AM)
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: RedDevil420]
#9732974 - 02/04/09 03:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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you really should have waited.
even after full colonization your supposed to wait a week for it to consolidate its hold on the substrate.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: echoesSG]
#9732995 - 02/04/09 03:25 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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but still, i did. theres lots more of them though. one big one getting really close to 100%
can i crumble and not case? or should i case with verm. which would geive me a better chance of seeing mushrooms? and sooner is better
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: RedDevil420]
#9733002 - 02/04/09 03:35 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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why are you in such a hurry? less substrate will equal less mushrooms.
The only reason to birth early is if your cake stalls.
dont crumble it, just leave it as a cake and fruit in a terrarium as normal.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: veda_sticks]
#9733005 - 02/04/09 03:37 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok, can i use verm instead of perlite though? and do i have to oven the verm first or just hydrate it and put it in?
yeah.. i know i should have waited, but you dun wanna hear bout my problems so we'll leave it at that.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: RedDevil420]
#9733126 - 02/04/09 05:21 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Verm is completely different from perlite. Verm absorbs water, perlite doesn't. Perlite has large surface area that water sticks too and then evaporates off. I don't know from experience but I wouldn't imagine you could substitute one for the other.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: antiphixion]
#9733170 - 02/04/09 05:48 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Patience
Without patience your not gonna get anywhere in this hobby
I had a set of GT's that got like 95% stoped and started pinning in the jars....I was pissed
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: talkingwalnut]
#9733200 - 02/04/09 06:06 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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my first fruiting chamber had nothing in it for humidity, just a cooler, and a spray bottle. it was just dandy for me.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: talkingwalnut]
#9733206 - 02/04/09 06:08 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i used some quarts of popcorn that kind of stalled and i rushed those, i had to wait an extra month for nature to take its course while the myc tried to catch up, it really wasnt worth it.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: pestilance2]
#9733466 - 02/04/09 08:10 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no way you can use verm instead of perlite. If you really can't find perlite then your gonna have to mist the walls of your terrarium every few hours to keep the humidity up. Hopefully that cake wont contam cause cutting it increases the chances for it.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: talkingwalnut]
#9733477 - 02/04/09 08:13 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
talkingwalnut said:
Patience
Without patience your not gonna get anywhere in this hobby
QFT... I thought checking on PF cakes twice a day was a lack of patience, but actually cutting apart a half colonized cake?! 
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: RoosterCogburn]
#9734331 - 02/04/09 11:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oh i know.. it prolly will fail and i accept that.
But verm holds water, and it is used as a casing. I know perlite is the ideal, but wouldn't verm give me some extra humidity as it is a small cake? I will be fruiting it in a water bottle, and it is the size of a golf ball.
Or would i be better off just putting it in by itself and misting?
I would still mist of course if i put some verm on the bottom, but i think it would hold some extra moisture to help prevent my cake from drying out.
I would get perlite but i'm broke at the moment. The other ones I will still do properly, as i can most likely find enough money for those when they are ready.
This one is kinda like.. me bored and i wanna just try it because i can. Also i wasn't going to wait for another 2 weeks for this particualr one, as it was colonizing slower than the rest. The piece I cut out is fully colonized.
so i know im on the fail boat (haha sounds like my life), but please help me make the best of it.. it might work, there have been less sterile grows than this.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: RedDevil420]
#9734716 - 02/04/09 01:21 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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size of a golf ball?
Cheese & rice Bro...chuck it out, drink a beer and try again tomorrow for Pete's sake!
You already loved that poor cake to death. Codependance has no place in mycology.
Better luck next time.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: RedDevil420]
#9735103 - 02/04/09 02:43 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
RedDevil420 said:
i got impatient, for reasons of my own. i cut away a partially colonized cake and im gunna fruit it tomorrow. it's dunking right now. i have a clean water bottle, i was gonna cut away the top and cover it with a bag. should i zip the bag, but leave it loose for FAE? or put an elastic around it. and can i crumble and not case? or leave it whole and use verm under it for humidity? of course with a piece of foil under it.
i was hoping to just crumble it, or leave it whole
Why be impatient??? If you just consolidate your jars you would get a much butter pinset in 2-3 days.. Wait a week after colonization so your myc has time to take hold of the substrate. Your gonna have to wait a week anyways For your myc to take hold and if they're out of the jar they have a chance of gettin too dry which = Low yeilds. Honestly man your impatience has probly set you even further from getting to eat your mushrooms.If you get too at all... Your early birth is not going to speed up the process only lengthen it.
But on another note Crumbling is gonna take as long as waitng the extra time..(id leave it whole incase the inside substrate is not colonized.)
0 gas exchange= Dead myc
Put your cake directly on top of the verm for water supply(no foil layer)(condering Double end casing precedure).
Do wat you want bro. But i think you should try again to get a better yeild.. I dont think you'll get too much off this cake  . Good luck man hope she turns out...Who knos you might get a stype that extends into the clouds that you could climb that'd be sweet.
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yeah i wont get much.. but i didnt take the most colonized or anything
so i will still get the others at the same time i would have.. thx for the advise, i might case it.
part of the reason i did it is i'm considering throwing it all out. thx to certain circumstances.
im considering just taking up growing edibles because this shit is fun.. but like 10 people know im doing it so its sketch..
if i get a mushroom i'll be happy. even if i dont trip, it'll make me happy to see it. well as happy as i could b right now..
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: RedDevil420]
#9735415 - 02/04/09 03:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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hey man,I want to see some pictures
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: KBG1977]
#9735443 - 02/04/09 03:32 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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i kno man, ill try. im still hoping that rice isnt too dry and she germinates. ill hook u up with pics from this one when shes ready for sure though
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: RedDevil420]
#9735453 - 02/04/09 03:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: KBG1977]
#9735614 - 02/04/09 03:50 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I know you get that you shouldn't have and all, but i dont know if you picked up that the cake may have looked colonized up to the part you cut off, but chances are it was not inside. If you case i think it will end up taking a lot longer for that reason.
There have been many threads explaining why verm will not substitute for perlite. Whatever you do id use somthing small to fruit it in so its easier to maintain good humidity. I wouldnt fruit it where your completed cakes will go because id say its pretty contam prone right now.
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Re: so i prolly shouldnt have.. but i did [Re: mudkip]
#9735649 - 02/04/09 03:55 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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yeah, it will be separated off. would casing reduce or increase the chances of contams?
oh.. and the cake a tiny bit exposed on the one part, if i sprayed a weak beach solution into the bottle to kill mold spores, will it still finish colonizing? or would it slow it down a lot.. i dont mind if i get mutants..
if it was my main i wouldnt think of it but its not.
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Edited by RedDevil420 (02/04/09 04:02 PM)
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