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 jewunit
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 DMT: A conversation about my first experience
#9674464 - 01/25/09 01:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is a conversation I had online with someone about my first experience with DMT. I don't think I could really write up a better trip report right now, and if I could it would take more time than I can afford to spend at the moment.
This conversation took place about 4 hours after my experience and after about 3 hours of drinking at a bar that I went to after I smoked.
2:54:31 AM Me: Hey man, sorry to bother ya but I figure you're the one person I could IM that could relate
2:54:37 AM Him: Hey.
2:54:38 AM Him: What's up?
2:54:39 AM Me: So I tired DMT for the first time tonight
2:54:47 AM Me: And it was by far the most incredible experience of my life
2:54:53 AM Him: It's uh
2:54:55 AM Him: Something Else
2:54:58 AM Me: Yeah
2:55:01 AM Him: It's kind of the most real thing you've ever experienced?
2:55:08 AM Him: I mean, I'm just talking from my own experience
2:55:16 AM Him: Nothing has ever hit me in the face with the reality of itself like DMT
2:55:24 AM Me: I smoked it with some other people, and that's kinda what they were saying
2:55:27 AM Him: It's like this completely inescapable thing
2:55:30 AM Me: It's like... it just makes sense
2:55:40 AM Him: Right
2:55:45 AM Me: It's a whole new reality, but it's a reality that makes complete sense to be visitng
2:55:46 AM Him: At the risk of sounding hoity toity or something
2:55:59 AM Him: It makes me feel like it's this birthright of a thing, like..it's a very archaic-feeling human thing, I feel like it has a lot to do with being human
2:56:39 AM Him: There are people who think everyone should try mushrooms or acid
2:56:50 AM Him: honestly DMT is the only thing I think most people *should* try
2:56:56 AM Him: Man.
2:56:58 AM Me: I agree
2:56:59 AM Him: It's been a while.
2:57:00 AM Him: I love it
2:57:09 AM Me: But at the same time, it's kinda like... who would be ready to handle it
2:57:15 AM Me: And that sound pretentious as all get out
2:57:23 AM Him: Yeah I mean you read about it a bunch before doing it I',m guessing?
2:57:35 AM Me: But I just mean that there's some kind of... preparation required
2:57:39 AM Him: I have a group of 4 friends that all know each other and want tot ry it, and I won't let them until they read about it a bit
2:57:49 AM Me: Yeah, and the kid I got it from synthed it and had tried it a bunch of times
2:57:56 AM Me: And the other guy I was with had some experience
2:58:16 AM Me: And I know it's not the same but I had experience with salvia, which has that same kinda slap you in the face aspect but not even as intense
2:58:36 AM Him: salvia is a good prep in that it can sort of rocket you out of reality so quickly
2:58:49 AM Me: But even then I wasn't ready. I hit the bowl, and as soon as I went to take another hit I just said "whoa" put the bowl down, and was just in another place
2:58:56 AM Him: Mushrooms and LSD are more of a journey, they can hit hard sure, but there is a way of sort of noting where reality ends and the trip begins
2:59:03 AM Him: I wrote in one of my DMT reports, hold on..i'll findit
3:00:03 AM Him: With the classic psychedelics psilocybin and DMT, there is a cognizance, for me at least, of the membrane between my ego and reality. I would call that membrane "experience." The experience is something I am aware of - it is the border between myself and the All, and I understand how each is bleeding into the other. I understand, after this recent experience, what it is that makes DMT so entirely something else. I am tempted to say DMT is invasive, and yet the connotation of that word is more sinister than the feeling I wish to convey. Perhaps DMT is not invasive so much as it is pervasive. Psilocybin, LSD, these drugs can be immersive, and enveloping. You can feel as if you are swimming in their experiences, or that the experience is swimming inside your mind. But there is the outer world and the inner.
3:00:33 AM Him: but with DMT it's like...where does one thing end and the othjer thing begin?
3:00:41 AM Him: It seems to touch all senses and all of consciousness all at once
3:00:52 AM Me: What's funny reading that....
3:01:00 AM Me: Hmm, how to communicate this well
3:01:22 AM Me: We smoked it in a bubbler. We didn't have a good pipe for it, but to say a bubbler worked is an understatement
3:01:29 AM Him: heh
3:01:40 AM Me: So we put weed under the DMT, cooked the top layer just the slightest to create a sandwich
3:01:50 AM Him: i hear that works
3:02:28 AM Me: So I take a hit, hold, and since I don't smoke at all it was hard to do. And as I said I went to take another, but as soon as I got it to my lips I knew I was good. That's something salvia helped with. Many a time I've taking a bowl with salvia to my lips just to know I didn't need another hit
3:02:50 AM Me: So I'm blasting off, and at first I was real anxious, I wasn't ready to let go of the current world
3:03:09 AM Him: I'm curious to hear whatever you wanna hsare about your experience. It being your first time especially I'm hesitant to ask questions, because I'm always afraid of leading people to interpret their DMT experience in any particular way
3:03:38 AM Me: But after a while a combination of the music, the CEVs, and this sort of separation between the world I was in and the world the other three were in.
3:04:55 AM Me: Then I completely let go. Had this sense of beings (classic feeling from my understanding), all kind of prancing and exploring with me. Helping me through. Then came this fantastic world of psychedelic colors
3:05:34 AM Me: You remember the light show for Radiohead, I don't remember which song they did it, but it took on this pink, green, and yellow almost heat goggle kinda feel? That's what I was seeing
3:05:52 AM Me: These colors intertwining in very computer graphic kinda style, and in a very 2d world
3:06:10 AM Him: yes yes i know what you mean
3:06:17 AM Him: The visuals on DMT are just nothing like mushrooms and LSD
3:06:26 AM Him: you watch visuals on mushrooms and LSD, on DMT they're like..fuck, how to say it?
3:06:28 AM Him: They're fucking THERE
3:06:31 AM Me: It was wonderful, at that point I was smiling I could tell, the most beautiful thing I've every been a part of
3:06:46 AM Him: I feel all glowy and gracious and thankful on DMT, like wow, this is so beautiful it makes me gush
3:07:58 AM Me: Yeah, it almost makes my eyes water just looking back on it. Almost in a heroin kind of style. I don't see how it is possible to ever come close to that feeling again besides experiencing DMT. Not with the negative aspects though. I can respect those feelings and enjoy them, but I could never use DMT again and be more grateful for that experience than LSD or mushrooms could ever hope to be
3:08:40 AM Him: Everytime I do DMT, I think, "I could easily never do that again," but that being said, I go and do it again, and I swear, maybe this is a dangerous thought, but it is a very deep wellspring
3:08:56 AM Him: Every time it gives me a lot to think about it, but sometimes it tells me I shouldn't do it again for a while and I listen
3:09:19 AM Me: But it's funny reading your write up, because with me I haven't smoked weed in over a year, and I had a real low tolerance to weed even when I smoke. So trying to comprehend the difference between my sober reality and my DMT reality became near impossible since I didn't expect to get high
3:09:29 AM Him: ha!
3:10:08 AM Me: And BOY was I fucking high. It took me a good half hour to realize that I wasn't feeling the DMT anymore and it was just weed. I remember thinking "Damn, I feel like I'm in highschool again cruising around with my friends smoking a blunt. Wait! It's because I'm high!"
3:10:31 AM Him: I bet the incredibleness of the DMT softened the blow of the pot, insofar as helping you enjoy it
3:10:38 AM Him: moreso than if you had just smoked some weed
3:11:12 AM Him: I get tired of first mushroom/LSD stories, but man, I love hearing about people trying DMT
3:11:14 AM Me: Yeah, it's weird, kind of the opposite of what I think most people who are into just weed and not other psychedelics would expect. The weed didn't ease me into DMT, the DMT eased me into pot
3:12:14 AM Him: There's definitely different "levels" as much as I hate that idea/word for psychedelics, to the DMT experience too..two nights before I went to _____ I was really worried about going there, like..am I gonna die from _______________? I decided to smoke DMT since it feels like dying
3:12:22 AM Him: Did you feel that way at all? Like you were slipping out of yourself?
3:12:43 AM Him: I had a crazy experience that night...I left...I just left. I still don't know where I went. I didn't black out, I went somewhere, and when I opened my eyes again I was shocked to be in my room
3:13:14 AM Me: Yes, looking back on it. Not in the same aspect as I have felt on mushrooms (ego loss/death I guess), but I think that any time you feel like you're leaving what the sober body feels is reality it's almost like dying
3:13:35 AM Him: did you feel any fear?
3:13:45 AM Me: Yes, in the beginning I was so afraid to let go
3:14:01 AM Me: I kept my eyes open because that was one of my bases in the non-DMT landscape
3:14:32 AM Me: Then that started to tear away anyway. This guy has all these Tool posters, and an Alex Gray Hoffman poster
3:14:36 AM Him: Yeah, with eyes open it's crazy, like Waking Life
3:14:45 AM Him: I have that poster :-D I know what it looks like on DMT too, delicious!
3:14:52 AM Him: and yeah! tearing away
3:14:53 AM Me: So after a while even those start to say "Nope, this isn't any different than having your eyes closed"
3:14:54 AM Him: like peeeeeling
3:15:44 AM Me: But even then I kept feeling all these presences besides the other three in the room, and they were saying, not necessarily vocally, but just communicating that I needed to let go, and I did. Then when I started to feel the bliss that's when I wasn't afraid anymore at all
3:15:58 AM Me: Man, it's fucking crazy thinking back on it, it was all just crazy and amazing
3:15:59 AM Him: That's what I wanted to ask you but I didnt want to lead the witness, so to speak
3:16:09 AM Him: Like, what the fuck is saying all that shit, and it's not even saying it
3:16:19 AM Him: I've come to think that all of reality is like this huge communication engine
3:16:24 AM Him: And everything is trying to communicate all the time
3:16:50 AM Him: it's so weird, that feeling of ...something... Implying things to you
3:17:01 AM Me: It's weird, it's easy to say that it was just the other people in the room but 1) I know people who use it by themselves get the same feelings and 2) I wasn't the first out of the four of us to use it tonight, and when the first guy smoked it we all just sat there ever so silently
3:17:13 AM Him: i could say it was my subconscious but it seems so alien
3:17:39 AM Me: And I've heard of people getting those kind of presence feelings on salvia, but I never have once, so I kind of doubted it up until it happened. Let me tell you, I doubt it no longer
3:18:58 AM Him: So glad to hear you had such an incredible experience..you'll be thinking on it for some time to come
3:19:04 AM Me: I'd like to say part of it is the subconscious, kinda saying "You've had other psychedelic experiences, and you just needed to let go to get the best effect", but I also have no doubts that if you had someone use DMT as their first psychedelic experience they would still get that same experience
3:19:25 AM Me: Anyway, thanks for listening to me man, it really means a lot. I gotta get my ass to bed though
3:19:37 AM Him: Thanks for sharing, and I have to do the same
3:19:42 AM Me: Night
3:19:49 AM Him: Good night
A note to the other person in this conversation (should they read this): Not only thank you for listening for the sake of listening, but thanks for staying up. I'm sure I was keeping you awake, but at the time I felt it necessary, as selfish as that is.
To anyone else: For reference (and a shameless Radiohead plug) at the end of this video you can spot short spurts of the colors I was talking about in the conversation:
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Madtowntripper said:
It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
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LobsterSauce
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Re: DMT: A conversation about my first experience [Re: jewunit]
#9674520 - 01/25/09 02:23 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Inspiring stuff. Especially since I will be visiting the land of DMT in around a month or two. I imagine it to be something like that episode of south park if you watch it.
The one where they're sniffing cat piss. I've read what people have been saying about true hallucinations as oppose to the ones off acid and that. Like with acid the visuals start from somewhere like looking at a wall whereas with that you're just immersed in them and it's all around you.
That probably doesn't do it justice but is that close?
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Edited by LobsterSauce (01/25/09 02:23 AM)
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Re: DMT: A conversation about my first experience [Re: LobsterSauce]
#9674621 - 01/25/09 03:16 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Sounds crazy, amazing...
So do yo really think everyone should try DMT? It seems so intense, don't you think a lot of people would go over the edge and loose their sanity from doing it? I mean, is it a safe and sound thing to do? I rellay want to take the journey out to hyperscpace sometime, but it sust seems sooo crazy. Maybe I'll do an MHRB extraction sometime soon.
About your experience; what happened after you broke through? could you speak a whole dialogue with the entities? Did you actually go to another, physically real place? Has it changed your view on the universe?
I totally got your radiohead lightshow picture. Saw them this summer in Dennmark, it was amazing. Total spiritual experience with the music and lights and all.
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Re: DMT: A conversation about my first experience [Re: northern]
#9675831 - 01/25/09 10:39 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good report man, DMT is absolutely amazing and words don't necessarily do it justice, they just recover some fragments of the experience.
I kinda agree with you that damn near anyone should try DMT, at least people that are real interested in psychedelics. The experience, as long as the individual is mature enough to be ready to be at peace and somewhat integrate such a foreign experience into your life - I say go for it. And even then, something about the experience feels "right" ... feels natural or something. I have no regrets about DMT, its such a unique and special compound 
 DMT
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Edited by andrewss (01/25/09 10:41 AM)
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jewunit
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Re: DMT: A conversation about my first experience [Re: northern]
#9677161 - 01/25/09 02:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't know if I would necessarily say everyone should try it. Just as with mushrooms and LSD some people just aren't going to take well to it. That said I think it would honestly be more appropriate for a "Everyone should try this" type drug. Part of that is the duration. Part of that is the experience. You can't completely be prepared for any drug, especially if you haven't used that drug or any other drug before, but if someone was well read on the experience I think it could be very beneficial to many.
If you're interested I'd say you should try it, flat out.
After I broke through it's hard to describe. As with a salvia trip so much happens in such a short amount of time that it's hard to even remember it all. What I described in the conversation is pretty much what stood out most to me. Music also sounded very VERY different. Honestly at first I didn't like it, but at first I had difficulty letting go and liking any of what was going on. I didn't talk to anybody (in the room or in my mind) at all, at least that I can recall. No dialogue really took place involving me.
I also don't think I went to a different place necessarily, but I could see (sometimes literally) the separation between me and my semi-sober cohorts.
As far as it changing my view on the universe? No, not really. Not the UNIVERSE. I don't think anything could ever really change my views on reality and the universe in the traditional sense. It has, along with a select few mushroom trips, altered my views on perception. I suppose some people would argue that's a change in my views of reality, but there's a difference, to me, between reality and how you experience it. I can take a step back and say to myself "Well this is what's really happening, and this is how I'm experiencing it." Granted I may be wrong, but I've always felt there's a separation there. I don't believe in parallel universes or other dimensions now or anything.
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Madtowntripper said:
It's common knowledge that Jewunit is an umemployed drain on society, supposedly attending some university that nobodies ever heard of.
He may in fact, be a literal bum, only able to make himself known to us here by occasionally stopping into dark internet cafes to make a few quick, frantic posts before the owners force him to leave because of the stench of rotting vegetables and desperation wafting forth from his pores.
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Re: DMT: A conversation about my first experience [Re: LobsterSauce]
#9698789 - 01/29/09 06:15 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Jimtown said:
Inspiring stuff. Especially since I will be visiting the land of DMT in around a month or two.
Ditto.  I've just started studying it (about a month ago) and I've done Salvia several times over the past few years.
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The experience is something I am aware of - it is the border between myself and the All, and I understand how each is bleeding into the other.
That I understand very well. I've been studying Hermetic philosophy for a long time now.
Did you use Syrian Rue or another MAOI or just the DMT alone?
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jewunit said:
I don't believe in parallel universes or other dimensions now or anything.
Not a Copenhagen fan, huh? I like loopback and entanglement as well as a few others. In a way they all kind of make sense...
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Edited by Chakravanti (01/29/09 06:25 AM)
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Re: DMT: A conversation about my first experience [Re: Chakravanti]
#9704491 - 01/30/09 07:03 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I enjoyed reading this conversation, thanks for posting. 
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