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 Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: highdroponics]
#9670115 - 01/24/09 08:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ego Death said:
Could you not be honest if you do fail?
Its not illegal and its not MJ. Just a thought.
precisely my thinking. There is nothing anyone can do to you because you have not committed a crime. If THC is showing up then the makers of spice will be going to prison, and I'm sure you could sue.
however in doing so.....it would probably move the efforts towards making it illegal speed up
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have gone down to the local hospital to give affection and a listening ear to
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Real CA Milk]
#9670204 - 01/24/09 08:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It wouldn't matter if it's showing up as THC, that would most likely make it illegal at an instant.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9670574 - 01/24/09 10:32 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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yea i just took another drop and im positive for not only thc, but TCA as well, wich the book says is anti derpressents... WTF... IV NEVER touched anti depresents b4.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9670604 - 01/24/09 10:40 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity, what brand and type of test are you using?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Riboflavin]
#9670647 - 01/24/09 10:55 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just out of curiosity, what brand and type of test are you using?
Ya im curious as well. And WTF was in what you smoked? Are you sure that you wernt around people smoke? Did you smoke ANY pot? Are you taking something that could trigger a false positive?
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How many psychedelic users — in any country — actually give
time to the local church soup kitchen, helping to feed the homeless and
hungry? How many of us, having had the experience, under the influence
of the visionary drugs, of seeing all human beings as incarnations of God,
have gone down to the local hospital to give affection and a listening ear to
lonely patients who need somebody to talk to? How many of us regularly
visit a jail, to provide spiritual and emotional support to confused, damaged
people who have grown up unloved, uneducated and unguided by their
confused, damaged parents -Alexander Shulgin
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9670692 - 01/24/09 11:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Did you smoke out of a pipe that was previously used for pot?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Riboflavin]
#9670795 - 01/24/09 11:29 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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First check home drug test 12. i baught a new pipe specificly for this stuff. and no i havent been in contact with weed smoke.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9670804 - 01/24/09 11:30 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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i smoked Zohai RX blend, and a week ago 99-0 chillin
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9672858 - 01/24/09 06:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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This is a little concerning, I'd really appreciate it if you'd let us know what the results of the real drug test are ph33ric...
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9673635 - 01/24/09 09:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I haven't been able to find any bad reviews except for this one which made me lol.
"This test came back showing a positive result for THC. My son was adamant that he did not use any drugs. I took him to a drug testing facility the next morning and he tested negative for everything and it only cost $35.00 Parents, do not beat your kids if this shows positive.. it is not reliable and I would not recomend this to any one."
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Riboflavin]
#9675202 - 01/25/09 09:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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"do not beat your kids if this shows positive.."
Haha
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9676544 - 01/25/09 12:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Geomancer]
#9676842 - 01/25/09 01:30 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Do HU-210 or CP-55940 create a false positive for THC?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: 4everchill]
#9676910 - 01/25/09 01:44 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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As per wikipedia:
"HU-210 is 100 to 800 times more potent than natural THC from cannabis and has an extended duration of action."
From personal experience... I'm pretty sure that this is not in Zohai, at least not what I've encountered. Zohai tends to have a shorter duration and perhaps similar experience to THC, but definitely not 100 to 800 times as potent.
CP-55490 is also reportedly about 45 times more potent than THC.. which leads me to suspect that it's probably not in Zohai.
Also, the news story you're referring to was about Spice products, which Zohai is not, and from what I've read, there's quite a difference in experiences between Zohai and Spice products, namely the duration.
Can anyone agree with this?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: 4everchill]
#9683590 - 01/26/09 03:18 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I don't use those synthetic smoking blends nor do I get drug tested.
Perhaps someone here with more knowledge about it can answer that for you.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Geomancer]
#9684018 - 01/26/09 04:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Anything that is 100-800x more potent than weed with the same effects and regrows dead braincells is on my "to-do" list.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Real CA Milk]
#10288989 - 05/05/09 07:13 AM (3 years, 27 days ago) |
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I know that this thread is 100 days old. But, I feel like my post is relevant to this thread and it doesn't warrant opening a new one. So, bear with me and try to have some patience for your friendly neighborhood necromancer.
Alright, so on Thursday I recieved a gram of a white crystaline powder labelled JWH-018. I smoked it twice Thursday, three times Friday, three times Saturday, once Sunday, and once on Monday. I then read this thread and was completely terrified, thinking that my miracle weed replacement was nothing more than a mirage, and that I was going to have some serious explaining to do. Fortunately, someone on another forum sent me 10 dipstick tests that he pilfered from the hospital his mother worked at. So, this morning, I took my first piss in a cup and put the dipstick in there. I passed for everything, even though THC took the longest to come up, and the negative line was pretty light.
In my situation, I am being tested by a lab and I don't really think that they make the same kind of mistakes that dipsticks do. A lab tests for specific metabolites of an illict drug. Smoking weed produces the 11-hydroxy-THC which is further oxidezed to 11-Nor-Ä9-THC-9-carboxylic Acid (or THC-COOH for short) metabolite in urine. Knowing this, the labs test for THC-COOH. JWH-018 produces entirely different metabolites. I can list JWH-015's metabolites and it is structurally similar enough to substitute for 018 -
1) monohydroxylation on the naphthalene ring (m/z 344, M20 and M21), indole ring (m/z 344, M17 and M18), or the N-alkyl group (m/z 344, M14); 2) arene oxidation leading to dihydrodiols (m/z 362, M12 and M15); 3) dihydroxylation on the naphthalene ring (m/z 360, M7) or indole ring (m/z 360, M13), resulting from a combination of monohydroxylations on both the naphthalene and indole rings (m/z 360, M16), or a combination of monohydroxylations on the naphthalene ring and on the N-propyl group (m/z 360, M9); 4) trihydroxylation (m/z 378, M1, M3, M4, M6, and M10); 5) N-dealkylation (m/z 286, M19); 6) N-dealkylation and monohydroxylation on the naphthalene ring (m/z 302, M11); 7) N-dealkylation and dihydrodiol formation from arene oxidation (m/z 320, M2 and M5); 8) dehydrogenation after monohydroxylation on the N-alkyl group (m/z 326, M22); 9) dehydrogenation and monohydroxylation on the indole ring (m/z 342, M8).
( source )
Just because a drug exhibits the same CB1/CB2 agonist effects as THC doesn't mean that it could give a false positive.
I hope this clears the air. Perhaps CP-47,497 or HU-210 are responsible for the false positives. Since I have neither of those coumponds, I don't really feel like researching their metabolites further, but it would be simple enough to do.
Good luck, and hopefully your drug tests go well.
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 Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ashesofman]
#10618038 - 07/03/09 08:23 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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OK, Well i started smoking these herbal blends from USA based websites because supposedly they contain no THC. "Lucid" and "Jamaican haze".. the lucid blew me off my feet like i was smoking the real deal but made me concerned weather I would pass or fail a UA. I haven't smoked the real deal for a couple of years though.. so when I tried this i got baked maybe a tolerance thing too. Well my question is the same as I've had for the past few days because I'm still having trouble finding an answer i hear yes and i hear no....
Smoking LEGAL HERBS/BUDS/BLENDS cause you to FAIL a drug test? FALSE POSITIVE you might as well say you failed when it comes to probation.. that's what I'm on they send my urine off to a lab and i pay 30 bucks for it.yea it test for ETG (alcohol even)..pretty intense test.. SO are these herbs going to cause me to fail there lab test? I got a hold of the person running the website / store for comment on if i would fail or not and he said this exactly... " I cannot answer that question, but you should be able to find your answer somewhere online".. WTF?? I'm assuming its a liability issue i also am assuming if this stuff did cause people to fail for THC then why smoke this shit and not smoke some real chronic, right? and if it did come up positive wouldn't they have been shut down by the DEA , FBI or local police department?? I would think so.. Well if there is anyone out there that smokes this stuff on a everyday basis or regular basis that has to take a LAB TEST please post on here weather you pass or fail or ever-ever failed a UA or came up with a "false positive " (fail) please post because i am concerned now that i can not get a legitimate answer. most of the people that say you will be fine you have to wonder if there selling this stuff them self and they will tell you anything.. so only post please if you know for a fact an answer thanks..
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
#10618083 - 07/03/09 08:37 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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There are two types of cannabinoid agonists that get put in these herbal buds.
Some of them are indolealkylamines, like JWH-018 (which is in Spice Gold). They aren't structurally similar to THC (although they act similarly at the CB receptors), so there's no way they should cause you to fail a drug test.
Other blends contain structural analogs of THC, like HU-210 (which is in Spice Diamond) or CP-55,940. Because they're so structurally similar, it's concievable that blends containing these sorts of analog chemicals could cause a false positive. Not necessarily saying they will; that depends on the nature of the test. But it's not inconcievable that they would be capable of producing a positive result (I hesitate to use the term 'false positive' as these drugs are structurally cannabinoids, and HU-210 is specifically schedules under the Controlled Substances Act, while CP-55,940 falls pretty well under the Federal Analogs Act as being tantamount to a schedule I drug by their criteria for defining an analog)
Bottom line: Know what drugs are in the materials you're consuming. And if you're worried about drug tests, stick to the indolealkylamine cannabinoid mimics.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Entropymancer]
#10618337 - 07/03/09 09:56 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks for your fast reply.. I hope i will be fine I also wonder if though that since the LAB test might show that I'm clean from THC but if for some reason they get a false positive and further examine it would they be able to tell if i were using a synthetic THC if i do fail which is probably worse then being positive for THC its self? I guess i will be the FIRST TRUE crash dummy ...
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