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 JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help!
#9668844 - 01/23/09 10:39 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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hey, i smoked an herbal smoking blend suposedly containing jwh 0-18 (zohai rx) around 12:50 PM, and took a Home drug test around 3:00 PM, i tested positive for Marijuana, yet i have not smoked marijuana in months... if this stuff is setting off the drug test (wich im prety shur it is) how long am i gona be false positive for? i got a probation drug test it 3 days, and i CANT fail it. HELP!!
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9669044 - 01/23/09 11:11 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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you could always buy some synthetic urine and one of those fake penis thingys.
or maybe a detox drink.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9669073 - 01/23/09 11:16 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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I thought about posting about JWH-018 the other day. But yeah, that shit is a synthetic cannibinoid that is an analogue to THC. THC is not what causes the positives in drug tests, but the metabolites from it being broken down in the brain as a byproduct. Knowing this it is understandable how similar substances will show up as marijuana. As long as you didn't smoke an obnoxious amount and don't smoke more, you should be clean ranging from two days to a week.
EDIT: Those devices are slowly becoming harder to come across since the heavy hand of uncle sam has been coming down on drug test cheats. The creators of the Whizzonator are being prosecuted as we speak. Bless their souls.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: FuzedBox]
#9669096 - 01/23/09 11:20 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Interesting. I've been smoking Spice Diamond & similar products for a month or so now, after quitting MJ in November. I had read a number of posts from people who had said they consumed this product while simultaneously passing drug tests, and that it was a good alternative to MJ for the individual who has to deal with frequent tests.
This is a bit disturbing, perhaps tomorrow I'll purchase an at-home MJ test and see how I fare.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: meams]
#9669107 - 01/23/09 11:22 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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The research on the Spice products claiming it contains JWH-018 is hard to trace and no other scientists have yet confirmed it. However, I'm sure it has some sort of analogue to THC in it. As to how people pass drug tests with it, perhaps that particular analogue doesn't result in certain metabolites as it is broken down. I am only speculating.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9669120 - 01/23/09 11:25 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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I'd imagine the home test kit you got tested for abnormally high levels of cannabinoids because it's cheaper and easier to test for. Labs test for THC metabolites... I'd think you'll be fine.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: FuzedBox]
#9669148 - 01/23/09 11:32 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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But don't analogs of THC produce the same metabolites? Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: FuzedBox]
#9669157 - 01/23/09 11:35 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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I thought I read somewhere that structurally it's pretty different from the THC molecule so I'm sure it could break down into something else.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: FuzedBox]
#9669162 - 01/23/09 11:36 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Neg, each analogue produces structurally similar metabolites but not they're not all structurally identical. My guess is the cheap test tests for a certain (high) concentration of chemicals with a cannabinoid "backbone." You'd probably have better luck asking that kind of question in the Chemistry and Pharmacology forum. I'm a little rusty on my chem/biochem.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: FuzedBox]
#9669170 - 01/23/09 11:38 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Gumby said:...I'm a little rusty on my chem/biochem.
But you still helped me learn something new, so five shrooms for you.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9669182 - 01/23/09 11:40 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Don't smoke anymore before your test. You smoked a lot of it in a short period of time didn't you? I smoked zohai and similar blends to get around drug tests while I was on probation and was in contact with a lot of people in the same situation. The only people who every got false positives were the ones smoking a gram or more a day. If this is you don't smoke anymore before your test and drink a bunch of water right before hand to dilute your urine.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9669848 - 01/24/09 06:41 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Ive actually smoked a joint of Spice Diamond about 3 days ago. Today im gonna go buy a drug test from Walmart and Ill let you all know the results. For the sake of Science and those getting drug tests it should be known if JWH 0-18 has the potential to cause false positives!
(On that note does anyone know the CHEAPEST place to buy them? CVS sell's them for $16 and thats the cheapest ive seen. Any ideas?)
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: FuzedBox]
#9669869 - 01/24/09 06:53 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Those devices are slowly becoming harder to come across since the heavy hand of uncle sam has been coming down on drug test cheats. The creators of the Whizzonator are being prosecuted as we speak. Bless their souls.
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Wiki said:On November 24, Puck Technology, Wills and Catalano pleaded guilty in a Pittsburgh federal court to one count of conspiracy to defraud the government and one count of conspiracy to sell drug paraphernalia. Wills and Catlano are scheduled to be sentenced in February 2009. They could face up to eight years in prison and a $800,000 fine
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: tpihkal]
#9669901 - 01/24/09 07:04 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Some of the stuff actually contains HU-210 or CP-55940
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9669919 - 01/24/09 07:09 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Could you not be honest if you do fail?
Its not illegal and its not MJ. Just a thought.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Ego Death]
#9669941 - 01/24/09 07:28 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Ego Death said:
Could you not be honest if you do fail?
Its not illegal and its not MJ. Just a thought.
Ok.....The test is going as we speak! We shall have our answer in 5 min. Keep in mind that i just woke up, have had NO water for over 8 hours, so this should be pretty accurate
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Skryllz]
#9669951 - 01/24/09 07:30 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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i had been smoking alot of the stuff, but i had a 2 day wait cuz of mail problems, then used the zohai blend about 4 hits. it got me particularly baked so i got a 40$ home drop and droped positive for marijuana, im not gona smoke at all today and then teset myself at tontie or tomorow morning, im thinking sence i droped within hours of taking the stuff it may have caused the false positive, hopefuly that is the case and i will b clean for my next home drop.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9669955 - 01/24/09 07:33 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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ph33ric said:
i had been smoking alot of the stuff, but i had a 2 day wait cuz of mail problems, then used the zohai blend about 4 hits. it got me particularly baked so i got a 40$ home drop and droped positive for marijuana, im not gona smoke at all today and then teset myself at tontie or tomorow morning, im thinking sence i droped within hours of taking the stuff it may have caused the false positive, hopefuly that is the case and i will b clean for my next home drop.
Dude go to Walmart like I did... I picked up a First step Marijuana test for 10 bucks!
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Ethnobotanical]
#9669980 - 01/24/09 07:42 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Maybe its all the tea i drink fellas  But I smoked a joint of "Spice Diamond" (Including smoking everyday a week before hand), and I passed the drug test! The results came back negative so im good to go!
As for your test man, if you still come up positive drink LOTS of tea. Water helps flush out your system and Caffeine will stimulate your metabolism. You should also take creatine prior to your drug test and on the day of it.....take a B-complex vitamin. This will make sure no matter how much water your drink, your piss wont look clear (Hope this helps)
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Ego Death]
#9670111 - 01/24/09 08:19 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Ego Death said:
Could you not be honest if you do fail?
Its not illegal and its not MJ. Just a thought.
precisely my thinking. There is nothing anyone can do to you because you have not committed a crime. If THC is showing up then the makers of spice will be going to prison, and I'm sure you could sue.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: highdroponics]
#9670115 - 01/24/09 08:21 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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highdroponics said:
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Ego Death said:
Could you not be honest if you do fail?
Its not illegal and its not MJ. Just a thought.
precisely my thinking. There is nothing anyone can do to you because you have not committed a crime. If THC is showing up then the makers of spice will be going to prison, and I'm sure you could sue.
however in doing so.....it would probably move the efforts towards making it illegal speed up
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Ethnobotanical]
#9670204 - 01/24/09 08:53 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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It wouldn't matter if it's showing up as THC, that would most likely make it illegal at an instant.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9670574 - 01/24/09 10:32 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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yea i just took another drop and im positive for not only thc, but TCA as well, wich the book says is anti derpressents... WTF... IV NEVER touched anti depresents b4.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9670604 - 01/24/09 10:40 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Just out of curiosity, what brand and type of test are you using?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Riboflavin]
#9670647 - 01/24/09 10:55 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Just out of curiosity, what brand and type of test are you using?
Ya im curious as well. And WTF was in what you smoked? Are you sure that you wernt around people smoke? Did you smoke ANY pot? Are you taking something that could trigger a false positive?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9670692 - 01/24/09 11:05 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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Did you smoke out of a pipe that was previously used for pot?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Riboflavin]
#9670795 - 01/24/09 11:29 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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First check home drug test 12. i baught a new pipe specificly for this stuff. and no i havent been in contact with weed smoke.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9670804 - 01/24/09 11:30 AM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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i smoked Zohai RX blend, and a week ago 99-0 chillin
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9672858 - 01/24/09 06:40 PM (3 years, 21 days ago) |
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This is a little concerning, I'd really appreciate it if you'd let us know what the results of the real drug test are ph33ric...
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
#9673635 - 01/24/09 09:00 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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I haven't been able to find any bad reviews except for this one which made me lol.
"This test came back showing a positive result for THC. My son was adamant that he did not use any drugs. I took him to a drug testing facility the next morning and he tested negative for everything and it only cost $35.00 Parents, do not beat your kids if this shows positive.. it is not reliable and I would not recomend this to any one."
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Riboflavin]
#9675202 - 01/25/09 09:03 AM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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"do not beat your kids if this shows positive.."
Haha
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#9676544 - 01/25/09 12:37 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Geomancer]
#9676842 - 01/25/09 01:30 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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Do HU-210 or CP-55940 create a false positive for THC?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: 4everchill]
#9676910 - 01/25/09 01:44 PM (3 years, 20 days ago) |
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As per wikipedia:
"HU-210 is 100 to 800 times more potent than natural THC from cannabis and has an extended duration of action."
From personal experience... I'm pretty sure that this is not in Zohai, at least not what I've encountered. Zohai tends to have a shorter duration and perhaps similar experience to THC, but definitely not 100 to 800 times as potent.
CP-55490 is also reportedly about 45 times more potent than THC.. which leads me to suspect that it's probably not in Zohai.
Also, the news story you're referring to was about Spice products, which Zohai is not, and from what I've read, there's quite a difference in experiences between Zohai and Spice products, namely the duration.
Can anyone agree with this?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: 4everchill]
#9683590 - 01/26/09 03:18 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Honestly, I couldn't tell you. I don't use those synthetic smoking blends nor do I get drug tested.
Perhaps someone here with more knowledge about it can answer that for you.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Geomancer]
#9684018 - 01/26/09 04:24 PM (3 years, 19 days ago) |
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Anything that is 100-800x more potent than weed with the same effects and regrows dead braincells is on my "to-do" list.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Ethnobotanical]
#10288989 - 05/05/09 07:13 AM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know that this thread is 100 days old. But, I feel like my post is relevant to this thread and it doesn't warrant opening a new one. So, bear with me and try to have some patience for your friendly neighborhood necromancer.
Alright, so on Thursday I recieved a gram of a white crystaline powder labelled JWH-018. I smoked it twice Thursday, three times Friday, three times Saturday, once Sunday, and once on Monday. I then read this thread and was completely terrified, thinking that my miracle weed replacement was nothing more than a mirage, and that I was going to have some serious explaining to do. Fortunately, someone on another forum sent me 10 dipstick tests that he pilfered from the hospital his mother worked at. So, this morning, I took my first piss in a cup and put the dipstick in there. I passed for everything, even though THC took the longest to come up, and the negative line was pretty light.
In my situation, I am being tested by a lab and I don't really think that they make the same kind of mistakes that dipsticks do. A lab tests for specific metabolites of an illict drug. Smoking weed produces the 11-hydroxy-THC which is further oxidezed to 11-Nor-Ä9-THC-9-carboxylic Acid (or THC-COOH for short) metabolite in urine. Knowing this, the labs test for THC-COOH. JWH-018 produces entirely different metabolites. I can list JWH-015's metabolites and it is structurally similar enough to substitute for 018 -
1) monohydroxylation on the naphthalene ring (m/z 344, M20 and M21), indole ring (m/z 344, M17 and M18), or the N-alkyl group (m/z 344, M14); 2) arene oxidation leading to dihydrodiols (m/z 362, M12 and M15); 3) dihydroxylation on the naphthalene ring (m/z 360, M7) or indole ring (m/z 360, M13), resulting from a combination of monohydroxylations on both the naphthalene and indole rings (m/z 360, M16), or a combination of monohydroxylations on the naphthalene ring and on the N-propyl group (m/z 360, M9); 4) trihydroxylation (m/z 378, M1, M3, M4, M6, and M10); 5) N-dealkylation (m/z 286, M19); 6) N-dealkylation and monohydroxylation on the naphthalene ring (m/z 302, M11); 7) N-dealkylation and dihydrodiol formation from arene oxidation (m/z 320, M2 and M5); 8) dehydrogenation after monohydroxylation on the N-alkyl group (m/z 326, M22); 9) dehydrogenation and monohydroxylation on the indole ring (m/z 342, M8).
( source )
Just because a drug exhibits the same CB1/CB2 agonist effects as THC doesn't mean that it could give a false positive.
I hope this clears the air. Perhaps CP-47,497 or HU-210 are responsible for the false positives. Since I have neither of those coumponds, I don't really feel like researching their metabolites further, but it would be simple enough to do.
Good luck, and hopefully your drug tests go well.
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 Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ashesofman]
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OK, Well i started smoking these herbal blends from USA based websites because supposedly they contain no THC. "Lucid" and "Jamaican haze".. the lucid blew me off my feet like i was smoking the real deal but made me concerned weather I would pass or fail a UA. I haven't smoked the real deal for a couple of years though.. so when I tried this i got baked maybe a tolerance thing too. Well my question is the same as I've had for the past few days because I'm still having trouble finding an answer i hear yes and i hear no....
Smoking LEGAL HERBS/BUDS/BLENDS cause you to FAIL a drug test? FALSE POSITIVE you might as well say you failed when it comes to probation.. that's what I'm on they send my urine off to a lab and i pay 30 bucks for it.yea it test for ETG (alcohol even)..pretty intense test.. SO are these herbs going to cause me to fail there lab test? I got a hold of the person running the website / store for comment on if i would fail or not and he said this exactly... " I cannot answer that question, but you should be able to find your answer somewhere online".. WTF?? I'm assuming its a liability issue i also am assuming if this stuff did cause people to fail for THC then why smoke this shit and not smoke some real chronic, right? and if it did come up positive wouldn't they have been shut down by the DEA , FBI or local police department?? I would think so.. Well if there is anyone out there that smokes this stuff on a everyday basis or regular basis that has to take a LAB TEST please post on here weather you pass or fail or ever-ever failed a UA or came up with a "false positive " (fail) please post because i am concerned now that i can not get a legitimate answer. most of the people that say you will be fine you have to wonder if there selling this stuff them self and they will tell you anything.. so only post please if you know for a fact an answer thanks..
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
#10618083 - 07/03/09 08:37 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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There are two types of cannabinoid agonists that get put in these herbal buds.
Some of them are indolealkylamines, like JWH-018 (which is in Spice Gold). They aren't structurally similar to THC (although they act similarly at the CB receptors), so there's no way they should cause you to fail a drug test.
Other blends contain structural analogs of THC, like HU-210 (which is in Spice Diamond) or CP-55,940. Because they're so structurally similar, it's concievable that blends containing these sorts of analog chemicals could cause a false positive. Not necessarily saying they will; that depends on the nature of the test. But it's not inconcievable that they would be capable of producing a positive result (I hesitate to use the term 'false positive' as these drugs are structurally cannabinoids, and HU-210 is specifically schedules under the Controlled Substances Act, while CP-55,940 falls pretty well under the Federal Analogs Act as being tantamount to a schedule I drug by their criteria for defining an analog)
Bottom line: Know what drugs are in the materials you're consuming. And if you're worried about drug tests, stick to the indolealkylamine cannabinoid mimics.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Entropymancer]
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thanks for your fast reply.. I hope i will be fine I also wonder if though that since the LAB test might show that I'm clean from THC but if for some reason they get a false positive and further examine it would they be able to tell if i were using a synthetic THC if i do fail which is probably worse then being positive for THC its self? I guess i will be the FIRST TRUE crash dummy ...
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
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If they send it to a lab, they'll definitely see that you haven't been consuming THC. And chances are that'll get you off the hook. I doubt most lab techs are astute enough to determine what else it might be. If you've smoked a product with HU-210 and it's analyzed by an astute (or curious) lab technician, they might report that as a failed drug test (since HU-210 is explicitly scheduled), but it really doesn't seem likely that anyone would put that much effort into it. HU-210 won't metabolize into any of the same compounds as THC.
So I'd lay good odds that you're in the clear even if you do get an initial false positive and they send it off to a lab.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: ph33ric]
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Get Quick Fix. Problem solved.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Learyfan]
#10618937 - 07/04/09 01:15 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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or you could just not smoke those fucking sketch ass blends...
I tried some spice gold once, just out of curiosity. It got me super blazed, and was actually a really nice high. But there was just something not right about it. I could tell that smoking a whole lot of it would be a huge mistake.
Fuck fucking sketch analogues!
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
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i loved spice gold when I tried it. "sketch analogues" are the wave of the future my friend.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#10618979 - 07/04/09 01:37 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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yea there great if i don't show up dirty .. if i could smoke the real deal i would .
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
#10619255 - 07/04/09 04:43 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, I liked smoking spice gold too. Except that it was sold to me as an "herbal blend" and not "laced schwag" which is exactly what it was.
Fact is that if weed were legal, NOBODY would be interested in these chemicals except pharm companies. The only reason I tried the stuff was out of morbid curiosity.
Legalization is the way of the future, not ghey laced schwag that attempts to circumvent drug laws.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
#10619775 - 07/04/09 07:44 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK, Well i started smoking these herbal blends from USA based websites because supposedly they contain no THC. "Lucid" and "Jamaican haze".. the lucid blew me off my feet like i was smoking the real deal but made me concerned weather I would pass or fail a UA. I haven't smoked the real deal for a couple of years though.. so when I tried this i got baked maybe a tolerance thing too. Well my question is the same as I've had for the past few days because I'm still having trouble finding an answer i hear yes and i hear no...
LOL maybe it's just me but something about this post right here, smells of "Vendor Promotion" 
/obvs.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#10619891 - 07/04/09 08:23 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fact is that if weed were legal, NOBODY would be interested in these chemicals except pharm companies.
I'm not on probation or worried about drug tests, but I'm still curious enough that I'm sorely tempted to buy a gram of JWH-018
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Entropymancer]
#10619955 - 07/04/09 08:48 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Its hellovalot cheaper than weed
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Entropymancer]
#10619991 - 07/04/09 08:56 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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^x2
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I'm not on probation or worried about drug tests, but I'm still curious enough that I'm sorely tempted to buy a gram of JWH-018
Awesome investment, seriously.
For stealth a high, orally it's perfect. Diluted in distilled water.
or you take your favorite herbs, tobacco or combination of both. Then dissolve your cannabinoid in some 90% or 99.9% isopropyl alcohol, acetone, or maybe even pure grain alcohol (everclear probably the safest). Put this solution in some sort of spray bottle, and spray it as evenly as possible all over a tray of the herb. Point a fan at it and let it dry (if you use acetone. it shouldn't take long to dry.)
"custom smoking blend"
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: highdroponics]
#10619993 - 07/04/09 08:56 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#10620158 - 07/04/09 09:42 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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LOL maybe it's just me but something about this post right here, smells of "Vendor Promotion"
/obvs.
you obviously do not know what " if you don't know an answer, don't post please" means.. I'm trying to find an answer not some dumb ass comment.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
#10620195 - 07/04/09 09:50 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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^who calls cannabis "the real deal" other than someone trying to promote a product on a website.
sorry I don't buy it, I'm a salesman myself, I know the deal especially the "real deal" lol
coupled with your low post count, and the reference to the specific products that are only sold on a website with both products... it just reeks of troll action...
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#10620204 - 07/04/09 09:52 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Yeah, I liked smoking spice gold too"
1. that's your opinion.
. Except that it was sold to me as an "herbal blend" and not "laced schwag" which is exactly what it was.
2. that's your opinion
Fact is that if weed were legal, NOBODY would be interested in these chemicals except pharm companies.
3. again that's your opinion
The only reason I tried the stuff was out of morbid curiosity.
4. somewhat could agree
Legalization is the way of the future, not ghey laced schwag that attempts to circumvent drug laws.
4. another opinion!
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#10620215 - 07/04/09 09:54 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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look im no sales man and i don't appreciate the comments. im here to get an answer not someone accusing me of selling something . I would do that alot better somewhere else anyway.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
#10620219 - 07/04/09 09:54 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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^you registered yesterday, and besides you wouldn't be getting so defensive if I was wrong.
you keep saying "the real deal" what the hell is that about, it's just awkward. you sound like an herbal smoke shop representative
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Entropymancer]
#10620222 - 07/04/09 09:55 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm not on probation or worried about drug tests, but I'm still curious enough that I'm sorely tempted to buy a gram of JWH-018
Yeah, same here. I was curious. Then I tried it. It was cool, but the whole time I was smoking it I had the very distinct feeling that it would be very easy to overdose on the stuff. Only a tiny bit is needed to last all day and I fear for the person who tries to roll it all up in a blunt or something. It left me with very strange hangovers as well.
Plus it was $20/g where I bought it and it tasted like shit.
Not to mention that the safety of the product can't be guaranteed because the manufacturers are flat out LYING about the ingredients. Who knows how they are processing the stuff, how pure it is, what solvents they used, etc. The fact is, I don't trust drug dealers who won't tell you what's in their product.
No thank you! I'd rather just smoke some good ol' Mother-Nature-Certified-Pure cannabis.
(please don't get on my case about pot not being a "pure" substance. Y'all know what I mean... when you buy weed you usually know what you're getting)
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#10620237 - 07/04/09 10:01 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plus it was $20/g where I bought it and it tasted like shit.
Wait a second, are you talking about the blend you purchased being $20/g, or pure JWH-018?
Because if you got JWH-018 for $20/g, holy fuckin' shit that's dirt cheap! 
I wasn't saying I want to buy a blend; I don't trust those simply because they lie about what they're selling you. If I mess with it, I'd get pure JWH.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
#10620245 - 07/04/09 10:04 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Yeah, I liked smoking spice gold too"
1. that's your opinion.
. Except that it was sold to me as an "herbal blend" and not "laced schwag" which is exactly what it was.
2. that's your opinion
Fact is that if weed were legal, NOBODY would be interested in these chemicals except pharm companies.
3. again that's your opinion
please no useless information!
The fact that spice gold is a blend of damiana, skullcap, blue lotus, etc LACED WITH A THC ANALOGUE is not an opinion. I mean you made this thread about lame herbs LACED with JWH018... wtf?
Pharm companies specializing in making THC analogues suitable for "legal medical marijuana" are the ones who invented JWH018. Again, that's not an opinion.
Those blends are garbage and they're probably dangerous. The people selling them obviously care more about making a buck than they do about being honest about their product and consequently the safety of their customers. Don't buy that shit! If you're on probation then just take some time and sober the fuck up. It's good for you.
And finally, this is the fucking shroomery. Don't expect any thread to stay on topic.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#10620247 - 07/04/09 10:04 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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so what if i registered yesterday?this was the most legit looking thread to ask weather i would fail a drug test or not and of course some dumb ass has to make a comment that I'm selling something even though im not? even if i was, just answer the damn question if you don't know it don't answer it !! wow!! I'm done arguing dude lol ..damn you must not have anything better to do.. I'm here trying to find out if I'm going to show up positive for a drug test and it turns into some useless argument.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
#10620253 - 07/04/09 10:06 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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^name calling doesn't make you more legit
Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (07/04/09 10:11 AM)
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
#10620255 - 07/04/09 10:06 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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take some time and sober the fuck up. It's good for you.
That's an opinion 
I take a staunch anti-sobriety stance, though I've never got myself on probation either.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#10620267 - 07/04/09 10:08 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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BigStroonz, I'd edit that post if I were you. Sources are against the forum rules.
And for the record, I really doubt insanetx is a promoter. Plenty of people would call cannabis "the real deal" in comparison to legal smoking blends. Chill out man.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Entropymancer]
#10620271 - 07/04/09 10:09 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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Plus it was $20/g where I bought it and it tasted like shit.
Wait a second, are you talking about the blend you purchased being $20/g, or pure JWH-018?
Because if you got JWH-018 for $20/g, holy fuckin' shit that's dirt cheap!
I wasn't saying I want to buy a blend; I don't trust those simply because they lie about what they're selling you. If I mess with it, I'd get pure JWH.
Oh, true. Yeah, I can see that. If you know you can get a pure product and you're curious then go ahead. Like I said, the high was very nice and long lasting, but I place it in the same category as most other research chemicals; Interesting but Sketchy, wouldn't do them more than once or twice.
It would probably be nice for an occasion where you wanted to be high incognito for a long time, ya know... like a long day around your in-laws or whatever...
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
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wow i didn't even make this thread i asked a question in it... and of course, this must be the wrong place to ask my bad!
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#10620287 - 07/04/09 10:11 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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w/e dude...another useless comment you obviously don't know the answer so please shut up.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Entropymancer]
#10620297 - 07/04/09 10:13 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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And for the record, I really doubt insanetx is a promoter. Plenty of people would call cannabis "the real deal" in comparison to legal smoking blends. Chill out man.
You're the moderator man, you should be able to spot it out before I do...
the replies are more than enough evidence starting from the first mention of the products that are only featured on one random website...
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Entropymancer]
#10620310 - 07/04/09 10:17 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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take some time and sober the fuck up. It's good for you.
That's an opinion
I take a staunch anti-sobriety stance, though I've never got myself on probation either.
yes, that may very well be an opinion. haha! I know that I get really depressed and amotivated when I smoke pot heavily. When I run out of pot I generally view it as a good thing and don't stress about getting more, but my friends always keep me stoned regardless.
Then again, when I couldn't smoke pot while on probation I just ate a lot of acid instead! HAHA! I was feeling pretty fried out by the end of last summer. But I didn't feel depressed or amotivated, just the opposite in fact.
Oh, and I forgot to say, yes, I bought the herb blend, not the pure jwh018.
To the OP >> if you just want to ask a question and have it answered with no side discussion then maybe try Yahoo answers. You're question may already be answered there.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#10620330 - 07/04/09 10:21 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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And for the record, I really doubt insanetx is a promoter. Plenty of people would call cannabis "the real deal" in comparison to legal smoking blends. Chill out man.
You're the moderator man, you should be able to spot it out before I do...
the replies are more than enough evidence starting from the first mention of the products that are only featured on one random website...
But what self-promoter in their right mind would post about the potential for their "legal substitute" to cause a false positive? They're probably both from one random site because he only ordered from one random site. Who wants to pay seperate postage on a handful of orders when they can try a couple options with some one-stop shopping?
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#10620445 - 07/04/09 10:41 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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didnt hve time to read the thread, but i smoked those blends for months while getting tested and never failed one. and i smoked2-3times a day
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: highdroponics]
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It wouldn't matter if it's showing up as THC, that would most likely make it illegal at an instant.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: fatso]
#10620700 - 07/04/09 11:26 AM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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thank you fatso and rodfarva ... i feel pretty confident now that i should pass my drug screen i will buy a take home test to confirm the results and post back.. its 4th of July got a lot of family over so i can really be taking a piss test while everyone is here but I'm curious to know the results and i will post back..because if i do fail then that needs to be exposed 100%... thanks
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
#10626744 - 07/05/09 07:12 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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OK, i just took a drug test , i picked it up at Walgreens to make sure i was in the clear.. the brand of the test is "at home drug test" you can Google it they have a website. but anyway i got the one only shows up for THC and i think i came in negative it's hard to tell the test wont tell you if your positive, it will only show up as preliminarily witch means you have to send it in for examination. well i got two lines that = negative but its hard to tell because one is very faint i took a picture and ill upload it here in a sec. so i can get a second opinion but i'm pretty sure its negative. thanks
i cant tell if its to faint under the " C " line.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: insanetx]
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Sorry to bring this up if there are multiple topics regarding JWH-018 and false positives, but I found the information in many of these posts to be quite helpful. If anyone else has any experiences with JWH-018 and passing/failing drug tests I'd be happy to hear them.
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Re: JWH 0-18 false positive for weed... help! [Re: Newfound_wonder]
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Jwh-018 cannot cause a false positive for cannabis. From what I hear though, ibuprofen, among other things, can.
those test for metabolites produced by the metabolization of THC in the human body. JWH-018 and THC are two COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHEMICALS. Just because they agonize/stimulate the same receptors in your brain does NOT MAKE THEM STRUCTURALLY SIMILAR.
To put it in laymen's terms: Imagine you wanted to test your oven to see if anyone has cooked bread. Naturally you test for bread crumbs. Someone cooked a ham though, and all you can find is grease.
THC is the bread, JWH is the ham. The cops are looking for bread crumbs in your oven, all they can find is ham grease.
Again, it is physically impossible for jwh compounds to metabolize into something that will be detected as cannabis on a drug test.
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