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Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC
    #9653655 - 01/21/09 04:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Marijuana, Inc.
Inside America's Pot Industry
Premieres Thursday, January 22nd on CNBC

ABOUT THE SHOW
Host Trish Regan focuses primarily on Northern California, what she calls "ground zero for marijuana."

Trish Regan interviews medical cultivators, tours Oaksterdam, surveys "Mexican grows" in the mountains and, in the most impressive segment, profiles former smuggler Bruce Perlowin.

Bruce Perlowin imported more then 100 tons of Colombian Gold into San Francisco via fishing boats in the late '70s and early 80s. "We saw ourselves as modern-day swashbucklers," Perlowin explains. He made millions of dollar before getting nabbed by the FBI and spending nine years in jail.

In the NoCal segments, Mendocino is characterized as the "wild wild West," where more than 60% of the county's economy is marijuana-based. Regan allows for plenty of voices here, from hardened growers to weary cops to one family that decides to move way after a grow house next door burns down.

During a copter ride over Lake County, Regan asks the pilot if they're winning the war on marijuana. "No, we're not winning," he says blunty. "The people that are winning are the people up here who are sustaining a marijuana culture and that's basically what we have."

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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: veggie]
    #9653674 - 01/21/09 04:24 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I'll be there. Thanks Veggie!!


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: veggie]
    #9653793 - 01/21/09 04:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

It's times like this that make me wish I had cable. :frown:


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: veggie]
    #9654136 - 01/21/09 05:31 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

How could anyone be so serious about irradicating marijuana?

Honestly that officer needs to get a life, what a dumbfuck


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: ToiletDuk]
    #9654144 - 01/21/09 05:33 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

i'd like to fuck that tresh..


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: hunter4321]
    #9654850 - 01/21/09 07:23 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I only wish that shrooms get its own special :frown:


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: neopet nub]
    #9655729 - 01/21/09 09:37 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

anybody want to record and torrent this thing?




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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: Liquidkick]
    #9655808 - 01/21/09 09:50 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

I am gonna watch that for sure!


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: E2DX07]
    #9656535 - 01/22/09 12:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Someone is bound to record it, don't worry...it will make it onto the internets. I'm glad to see that the media is finally realizing that marijuana is her to stay, can provide economic benefits, and also that taxpayer dollars are almost literally burned in piles in efforts to quell marijuana use and to eradicate grow ops. Seriously, its not going to go away. Never has, never will. Hopefully this report won't come out terribly biased to favor illegality, since most news networks try and speak to what the public wants to hear, even if it isn't. Fact of the matter is, the cannabis movement is gaining ground and it will become legal sooner than later. There's just no way around it. There's hundreds of uses for the hemp plant, and if the united states doesn't legalize it, we won't be able to repair our financial crisis as easily. Hell, I think we should all do away with money and just live off the land as it is, its obvious to me that money only causes problems, social unrest and insurmountable debt. But hey, getting rid of money would make life a lot easier! And that would make too much sense!


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    #9656940 - 01/22/09 02:15 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: Invisible_Woe]
    #9657779 - 01/22/09 09:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

"it is an industry... filled with guns gangs and plenty of money"

The only people with guns are the pigs!


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: collinZzZz]
    #9661464 - 01/22/09 06:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Just finished watching it. I liked it, should have been longer though. It was informative and well documented, but I didnt like how they ended the show with the Drug Czar bad talking everything. :frown:


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: collinZzZz]
    #9661518 - 01/22/09 07:03 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

The bitch doing the interviews was annoying as fuck. I guess that's the point though, to annoy people that aren't complete fucking retards. It's a shame no one said on that show "It's a harmless plant that has been used as a food and medicine for thousands of years."


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: collinZzZz]
    #9661553 - 01/22/09 07:07 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Wow that really was a terrible show.  They basically took the perspective of wow look at this problem, this guy brought in this much cannabis to the country, this guy grew this much pot in northern CA, these law enforcement officials hate pot with a passion that puts MLK's passion to shame, this guy started oaksterdam.  NO really intelligent analysis of the real issues.  Piss pour.  I want to send a hateful message to the producer of that show.  just terrible.

Anyone see the National Geographic doc about cannabis?  It was a good one.


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: FurrowedBrow]
    #9662130 - 01/22/09 08:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

There was a lot of bad parts of the show, most of it was crap. But the fact that it shows the size of the cannabis industry and culture is a good thing, even if they try to make it seem negative. Another good part was that one cop admitting that he doesn't think they're winning.


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: InTheRainySeason]
    #9662199 - 01/22/09 08:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

If cops say they aren't winning, morons think we should give them more money so they can win. God forbid they think we should send a "surge". With the DEA's inflated and ever increasing budget, opium consumption has stayed the same since the 1900's and the DEA intercepts a whopping 1% of the drug market. Every time you see a seizure on TV, 99 other potentials seizures of equal size get into the unregulated market.


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: Green_T]
    #9662833 - 01/22/09 11:08 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Ahahaha...AT LEAST. The DEA has barely anything to show for itself when it comes to seizures. Their total seizures in one year does not make up for the $110 billion per year that they are budgeted. In fact, they probably seize *maybe* $1 billion worth of drugs...maybe.

660 tonnes of cocaine enter the U.S. each year

Then the DEA gets real happy when they bust a group of people for something like 30kg of coke, which, that kind of bust happens once a month for them, at best.

Out of the 532 tonnes of cocaine that was en-route to the United States in 2002, only 32 tonnes of it was seized at U.S. borders. Another small fraction was seized in-transit before it got to the United States. The result? 362 tonnes of available cocaine made it safely into U.S. black markets. ROFL

Another ROFL:

The DEA only is able to intercept anywhere between 600-650kg of Heroin out of the total 13 tonnes of heroin that makes it into the United States every year. Thats only intercepting 18%-20% of total heroin supplies.

And we're spending $110 billion per year on this war? Hell...we could get rid of all drugs if we were spending $700 billion a year on it! (EXTREMELY CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE...) I'd guesstimate the required taxpayer dollars to eradicate all drugs from the U.S. per year to be about $2.2 trillion...it's probably an exponential trend (money spent vs. total seizures). Does that sound like a good way to spend that money? That's more than the total cost of the Iraq War THUSFAR...but per YEAR. That would undoubtably mean the total deficit would increase by about $500 billion per year. Let's tack that onto the $40 trillion we'll already be in debt by 2040 due to Social Security alone. So that means, if we were to Up the Ante on the Drug War, by 2040, we would be in debt as a nation anywhere between $55-$160 trillion. That's a debt we will never be able to get out of, if we continue the path we're currently on.

I actually keep editing this post, sorry about that. But it just occurred to me that no matter HOW much money we spend on trying to eradicate drugs, we probably could never do it! Why? The drug cartels profit immensely by shipping their product to the United States. Any increased attempts to stop the importation of said product is just going to cause them to try even harder to get their drugs into our borders, so it's a fruitless effort. The more we fight, the more they're going to fight back.

Current U.S. Drug Policy = Epic Fail.

Seriously...trying to prevent illegal drugs from being shipped into countries is like trying to stop the flow of a hypothetically ruptured Hoover Dam by driving a Mazda Miata in front of it....or like trying to prevent people from going to the bathroom. It's just not possible, plausible, or worth it.

Perhaps the best analogy I can think of, is this:

Picture the DEA as a runner on a treadmill. The faster the treadmill moves = the more drugs that are shipped to the U.S.

The DEA has to run faster and faster as the treadmill increases in speed...until...the treadmill is now moving at a speed of 26mph+, and the runner cannot keep up, as his legs will not move fast enough. What happens? They fly off the treadmill, and the treadmill keeps moving.

They just can't keep up. It's been evident for the last 20, 25 years. I just researched lots of charts and tables online. Sure, the total weight of seizures for marijuana, cocaine, and heroin increased dramatically since the 1980's....but so has drug production. There's almost no net difference...therefore, the DEA hasn't made any progress, whatsoever.


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #9662907 - 01/22/09 11:28 PM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Great post man, really puts it into perspective. I've never quite heard it put that way before.


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: whattheheck]
    #9664903 - 01/23/09 11:03 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

One of my favorite parts of this show was when Tresh was interviewing some guy from the DEA.  She was basically accusing him of not solving this "problem" in NoCal.  He responded by saying it was unfair to accuse the DEA.  The citizens of that locality decided that they want it legal, so why should they interfere.  They will only go against the big fish.

Very refreshing to hear that.  "The people want pot legal, so let them have it".  Now if only the rest of the Federal govt. had this attitude.

Also great to hear the pigs say they were losing the war on drugs at the end.  Damn right you are.  It's an unwinnable war, after all.  Like a war against masterbation... ask the Catholic church how far they got in that war.

Overall, I think this was a pretty balanced piece.  I was expecting a lot more biased reporting.  Some more info on the actual danger of marijuana (with clinical research trials to back it up) would have been nice, but this is a a good start.

I forgot to mention, that ONE dispensary in Oakland, said they pay about $600,000 per year to the federal government and $300,000 per year to the state government in taxes.  From ONE dispensary.  Eh, fuck that though, I'd rather waste hundreds of billion per year trying to keep it illegal and keep ruthless Mexican drug cartels rich and powerful over a plant that is less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. 


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: tyler_0_durden]
    #9664989 - 01/23/09 11:25 AM (3 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Tyler, I want to calculate a statistic, i was wondering if you could help me...

How much does the government "pay" per ounce of marijuana/other drugs? Example, if they spend $800 for every oz they seize, that means they are paying $800 per oz.....with our tax dollars! Wouldnt it be cheaper if it were legal and we just bought it up ourselves?

Thats just a guess though...how much do they spend fighting marijuana, and how much do they seize? I'm guessing I can get weed for cheaper.


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Re: Marijuana, Inc., Inside America's Pot Industry - January 22nd on CNBC [Re: veggie]
    #11380038 - 11/03/09 07:56 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Medical Marijuana Inc. (MJNA) is truly a forward looking company.

Looking back, it began in 2003 as Berkshire Collection, Inc. (BKCL) of Ontario, Canada. According to a complaint filed 12 Jun 09 by the U.S. Securities Exchange Commission (SEC) against Blackout Media (BKMP) and its principal Sandy Winick of Toronto, Berkshire Collection was one of 59 subsidiaries spun off from Blackout Media Corporation, formerly known as First Canadian American Holding Corporation, (FCDH).

The SEC complaint alleges these 59 subsidiaries had no legitimate business purpose and were just "public company shells", and that Winick profited at least $3.2 million from selling shares in these "shells" from 2004 through 2007.

On 23 May 05 Berkshire Collection changed its jurisdiction to Oregon, at the same time issuing a 1 for 1,000 reverse split.

I have never before in my life seen a 1 for 1,000 reverse split. A reverse split is typically a last ditch effort to prevent a company from being delisted on an exchange. According to MSN Money, "reverse splits are like a message from management that the underlying business trends are so rotten, they won't be enough to get the stock price up to snuff." Small shareholders, those holding less than 1 share after the reverse split, are cashed out. They're lucky if they get a penny on the dollar.

On 31 Jan 2007 Berkshire Collection changed its name to My Newpedia Corp (MYNW). This incarnation lasted until June of 2008 when it issued 211,926,840 shares of common stock, realizing $100,000. Then My Newpedia changed it's name to Club Vivanet, exchanging 12 shares of MYNW for 1 share of CVIV. Then the merged entities, now named Club Vivanet (CVIV), "took back" 210,117,998 shares in a 1 for 20 reverse split and posted a stunning net profit of $26,040 for 2008.

The Statement of Operations found on page 16 of the Annual Report for Club Vivanet for 31 Dec 08 states that it spent $751,359 on sales and marketing in order to post a profit of $26,040 on revenue of $818,992. While this was more than double the net profit of $12,624 for the previous year, it doesn't seem particularly forthcoming to term the growth "meteoric" as Perlowin does repeatedly.

In April of 2009 Club Vivanet (CVIV) became Medical Marijuana Inc. (MJNA):

We thought at first we'd call our corporation Marijuana Inc. But when you say to someone ... you're in the Marijuana Business, you do get that weird, kinda strange look. But when you say 'We're in the Medical Marijuana Business' ...I don't care where I am, everyone's interested. Not only are they interested, sometimes they're passionately interested because they've heard the stories and they think people should have the freedom to choose the medicine that really does help them.

On 25 Mar 09, the day the name change was filed, the stock was worth 4 cents. The name change and 10 for 1 forward split occurred on 28 Apr 09. The day before the split and name change CVIV closed at 22 cents. The day after, MJNA closed at 62 cents. It has trended downward since.

Perlowin explains it like this, pointing out he got out of prison 19 years ago:

I was the largest marijuana smuggler in West Coast history. The media dubbed me the King of Pot. As the newspapers said, I had a fleet of boats larger than most country's navies, and that was probably true. Made $100 million bucks by the time I was thirty. And then I went to jail for nine years and got out and made some huge businesses in the phone card and international telecom business. We've always had meteorically growing businesses after I got out of prison. Well, before I got out of prison too...

Just look at what happened to our stock from day one and you can see we sort of know know what we're doing in this industry.

He explains that he is "monetizing" the public's desire to legalize marijuana and that buying stock in his company is casting a vote for the legalization of marijuana.

When Obama and the attorney general Holder said that they'd no longer interfere with state laws on marijuana issues, all of a sudden dispensaries and collectives and co-ops started popping up like weeds all over California ... and, all of a sudden, legitimate business people started getting involved and wanting to get involved. And then "we" come along...

This is one of those statements were you don't really know where to begin.

What is this "all of a sudden" legitimate business people are getting involved? Is he saying those dispensaries and co-operatives that have been doing it for years and who built the industry he finds so exciting are not "legitimate business people"? What does this say about The Green Cross - in business in San Francisco for five years and featured in June as an example of how medical marijuana had become mainstream? And, by the way, they've all been using plastic cards of all kinds for years: debit, credit, stored value, ID, and so forth. A manager of one dispensary told me 5 years ago, "Bank of America loves us."

Are we also supposed to believe that the "legitimate business people" who have been waiting for Obama to start the green rush before they got involved will not have the wherewithal to set up a business account with, oh, Bank of America or Wells Fargo, but instead will be "cash based"?

While Perlowin wasn't really sure if New Mexico had passed a medical marijuana law or not and was astonished at what he found when he came to California in February and told his doctor he had insomnia so he could get in a dispensary and see what it was like, he assures us he is the one to tell us all how to do it.

I actually believe New Mexico is one of the places - don't quote me on that because my big focus is on marijuana, on California - but I think New Mexico is one of the places where it's legal. You can look at any of the movement websites like NORML or MPP.org - that's a great one, MPP.org - and they really keep you up-to-date on what's going on in each state. So I think it is. And in some places you can have co-ops, like in Colorado and California, and some places you're allowed to grow your own. There's no standardized laws or rules, which for a public company like us makes it really lucrative, or potentially lucrative. Because we can help come in and standardize the industry and help regulate the industry. Again, from the bottom up. Typically a company like this can move much quicker than the government can.

It's all a mish-mash. Every county in California is different from every city. And every state has different rules. And if you standardize it - it will take a few years - but that's one of the things that we're here to do, is to help standardize it. And again, starting with the most lucrative of all, the tax remittance.

And he's going to begin by re-assembling his old organization, from administering taxes paid by the sick and dying for medicine. When asked if he has any plans to own a dispensary:

"If Nevada ever legalizes it - it'll be on the ballot in 2012, November - I would love to have a dispensary inside a casino, growing the marijuana plants..."

Obviously, Medical Marijuana Inc. CEO and King of Pot Bruce Perlowin didn't have "medical marijuana" in mind when he said this. When the host points out this has the appearance of exploitation he replies:

Yeah. So in that case, yeah. In the beginning. no. In the beginning all we want to do is provide all the tools for the dispensaries or the co-ops. In fact, we're going to be doing seminars on how to open up a dispensary and we want management contracts with the dispensaries, not just for the tax card but for inventory control, for grading and standardizing the marijuana for software, for the doctors to use, and evaluating whether sativa or indica should be used for glaucoma vs. cancer vs. MS vs. headaches..."

In the meantime, he hopes to buy "homesteads" of 1 to 5 thousand acres all over the country and grow vegetables or something on them until hemp is legalized, and then convert them to hemp farms. All this from administering taxes paid by the sick and dying for medicine.

It's an intriguing business model. He states they've decided 60% of the profit will go to the company, and 40% to charity.

My job is to empower people, and specifically (because of another model) empower women. 40% of our profits goes to The Global Family and WE (Women Empowerment) because their job is to make sure this wealth goes all over the world to create a thousand millionaire women, who will create a thousand millionaire women each, and then they take over the world in what's known as a global coup, but it's really a coochie coo..

Again, it's difficult to figure out where to begin. Seems a bit sexist (not to mention boorish) to me, but what do I know? Besides there are more pressing issues. For instance, just ten minutes previously he stated 40% of "revenues" would be going to the local community: 10% to schools and or the women's council (because women won't take bribes and kick-backs, but men will); 10% to another local problem like fire or police (speaking of bribes); 10% to another city in America; and 10% to some international problem.

Obviously, how much of what goes where isn't really important. All that's important is that 40% of the stockholders earnings from administering taxes paid on medicine by the sick and dying will go to some charity somewhere. No doubt medical marijuana patients will get a warm glow knowing their disability stipend is going to increase the supply of female millionaires in third world countries.

Among a nebulae of disconnects is that it never occurred to Medical Marijuana Inc. that there are medical marijuana patients that can't afford medicine, that are losing their jobs and their homes, that can't pay lawyers and court costs. And a lot of them are men.

Perlowin says he doesn't smoke marijuana, except rarely.

My prescription's for insomnia. And I don't know if I have insomnia, I'm so excited about what we're doing I can't sleep at night so I jump up and email. I go to sleep. I wake up. I email. And so I'm thinking, 'I really want to go see these dispensaries but you can't get in without a medical condition and I don't want to lie about a medical condition. I won't do that. I'm CEO of a public company, I've got to keep everything really straight. So, I'm thinking, 'wait a minute...' and if I don't have my computer I'm sitting there awake all night, just thinking. So that's clinical insomnia. That's insomnia. So I got my medical marijuana card for being too excited. But I haven't used my marijuana medicine yet because if I do I won't answer my emails all night.

As for the morality of taxing medicine? As for what happens when The Medical Marijuana Patient Protection Act (HR 2835) is passed? As for the fact that you don't get a "prescription" for medical marijuana, you get a "recommendation"?

HR 2835 will move marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act's Schedule I to Schedule II. Among other things this will mean marijuana will meet the legal definition of medicine and that doctors can prescribe it the same as pharmaceuticals. And this means it will not be taxed in states such as California where the people think there's something sleazy and just plain wrong about taxing medicine.

Well, maybe by then Perlowin will have his upscale pot emporium in some swanky Las Vegas casino.

Source: http://www.examiner.com/x-14883-Santa-Cruz-County-Drug-Policy-Examiner~y2009m9d2-Agonizing-over-Medical-Marijuana-Inc


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