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 Veritas
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 Who Are You?
#9564705 - 01/07/09 12:59 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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There's been some controversy here regarding the use of personalisms during debates/discussions. I agree that they tend to disrupt/degenerate the discussion into a mudslinging match, yet I also agree with the point that our philosophy is based in WHO we are.
The Political forum has a stickied thread which asks posters to describe their background & perspective, and it garners many interesting responses. In the interest of both the need for civilized discussion AND an appreciation for the roots of one's philosophical/spiritual perspective, I'd like to create a similar thread.
You are free to frame your response in any format which makes sense to you, but if you are stumped, here are some questions to answer:
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I'll post my own "profile" in a bit. 
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 flangenips
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 Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9565084 - 01/07/09 02:04 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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MY childhood had many influences. But only pseudo-religious. In the sense i was taught values of christianity, but not taught gospel in the sense that there was historical value in christianity. My mother was an advocate of these values, though not a practicing christian herself. Her mother was catholic (by blood) and her father, it seems, a long line of atheists. My father is an atheist/agnostic as is his parents too, but anglican christian by blood. My family have never been rich, bouncing between poor and middle class their entire lives.
So i was more or less raised an atheist with some christian morals. (though alot of these aren't all that different to most morals)
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I enjoyed primary (elementary) school, and became disinterested in high school, but completed it. After high school I did a Certificate in live sound and event production, after that i completed a BA in philosophy at Uni, and now i'm doing a Diploma of eBusiness. Upon realising that i'm addicted to the student life, yet totally sick of being poor, i think i will get a job when this is completed.
Does philosophy have much application in my daily life? Maybe, with making ethical decisions, but otherwise, not really apart from improving my previous poor english skills.
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I'm interested in eBusiness, not sure how long that will last though. I have no realised career ambition apart from making a good amount of money to pay rent, eat, power, and purchase a guitar or computer or dvd or game every now and then, that and afford to go out for drinks or dinner occasionally, i would like that too.
If i did not have to earn money i would be a lazy bum who does alot of art and music. (heck i should make a career out of that, but alas, its a hard, luck-laced, road)
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My philosophy/spirituality has changed a little over the years. I've generally always been an agnostic, considered religion a few times, dabbled in hedonistic philosophy (including some satanism philosophies when i was younger), but am now more into more collective utilitarianism and am interested in altruism, but do not practice it. This will change, I swing from here to there alot, finding everything imperfect. But to me thats the beauty of life, i find the answers allusive. What works best for everyone? I don't fucking know, and doubt i ever will.
In my daily life:
I do my best to try to be a good person by myself and to those close to me. I have a tendency to not give a shit about most other people, apart from empathy/sympathy. I sometimes get a kick out of disturbing and pissing off random people, particularly when i'm drunk or trippin, hedonism can certainly shine through in me. But naturally i consider myself considerate. heh
I became interested in philosophy around the age of 15 or 16.
Thats all i can think of, i'm probably missing something important, but, bleh.
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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce
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Veritas
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Thanks for posting!  It's very interesting to hear more about the people who post here. Do you really live in NZ? I've been thinking about moving there once my kids are out of the house.
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Re: Who Are You? *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
#9565323 - 01/07/09 02:35 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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flangenips
Batshitinsanse
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9565357 - 01/07/09 02:39 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah, its nice here, a typical westernised country with lots of countryside still in tact. Its a very safe place, though where i am is the current crime capital. (christchurch), only a few murders and savage beatings a year. heh.
This is a great place to retire, but then again so is Australia.
If you want adventure tourism though, this is definately a good place for thrillseeking at your doorstep. with mountains, rivers, and the sea, literally no more than 2-3 hours drive from anywhere its not really all that hard to get out and do shit.
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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce
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OrgoneConclusion
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I would also like to visit, but would have trouble with the language. 
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Veritas
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Lion]
#9565411 - 01/07/09 02:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It sounds like you might have done well with home learning. It's too bad that school was so difficult for you. 
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flangenips
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OrgoneConclusion said:
I would also like to visit, but would have trouble with the language.
slack-tongued informal english? surely its easier to understand than irish, scottish and welsh accented english? :P
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All are lunatics, but he who can analyze his delusions is called a philosopher. - Ambrose Bierce
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Silversoul
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9565515 - 01/07/09 03:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. I was brought up in an upper-middle class family in California. Religion wasn't discussed much in our house. We only went to church on Christmas eve when we would visit my grandparents. My grandfather is a theologian, and a rather progressive one, but I didn't really become interested in his ideas until rather recently.
2. Went to private school my whole life. Went to a Catholic High School because that's where everyone from my middle school went. Went to a mid-sized liberal arts college and got a BA in Sociology and Anthropology. My attitude towards school was essentially always the same: loved learning, hated homework.
3. I'd really love to be some sort of public intellectual. You know: publish books, deliver lectures, do interviews. Sort of an academic celebrity who you wouldn't see in People magazine, but might see giving a TED talk. Maybe it's a pipe dream, but it's the one career I can really see myself being truly satisfied with. Maybe I should pursue a PhD in something and try to become a professor, but I'm not sure what subject I'd want to teach. Basically, I'm someone who's in love with ideas, and I'd really love to find a career that allows me to put that to use.
4. My philosophy and spirituality are constantly changing and growing. I think I first became interested in philosophy around age 8 or 9 when I began to wonder if life was just a dream from which I was going to wake up someday(and I hadn't even heard of Plato's allegory of the cave). I guess I discovered spirituality shortly after that. The first spiritual idea that attracted me was animism, the worship of nature. I later explored Druidism, Wicca, and Buddhism. In college, my spirituality waned for a while, especially after taking my first philosophy course. I can't say I ever became an atheist or agnostic, but at some point I could describe me as a naturalistic pantheist who dabbled in Buddhism and Taoism. All along this spiritual journey, I held a certain contempt for Christianity. It seemed like such an arcane and backwards religion that missed the point. That started to change for me when I got into LSD. I had a religious experience in which Jesus Christ appeared before me, and I felt his infinite compassion radiating throughout my entire being. I accepted him as my personal savior that day, though I wasn't quite sure what I meant by that. I continued to have problems with mainstream Christian doctrine and still do today. I initially considered myself a Gnostic Christian, so as to distance myself from the rest of the flock. But I later discovered the mystical heart of Christianity had been there all along and dropped the gnostic label. I've since become interested in philosophers such as Ken Wilber and Alfred North Whitehead who have sought to bridge faith with science and modernity.
5. I guess if there's universal value I could describe, it's balance. Most virtues I could describe can become vices if absolutized. Humility can become complacency, justice can become vengeance, confidence can become narcissism, generosity can become martyrdom, and so on. That's why virtue is generally about finding a balance between two extremes. I'm still searching for that balance.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9565844 - 01/07/09 03:49 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm just a guy who likes to have fun.
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Re: Who Are You? *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
#9565856 - 01/07/09 03:52 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: mr_kite]
#9566215 - 01/07/09 04:47 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's a dream life, I get to make my way from what I love doing most in life
Wow! I love to hear that!
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Veritas
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Basically, I'm someone who's in love with ideas, and I'd really love to find a career that allows me to put that to use.
Based on what I've seen from you in these forums, I think you have a real shot at that! Is there a field you're most interested in? There seems to be an increased focus on ideas which synthesize spirituality and science, so perhaps you could share what you've already been studying?
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WhiskeyClone
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9566273 - 01/07/09 04:55 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great thread!
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Raised in Manitoba, middle class. Offspring of a science teacher and a salesperson. Both parents were nonreligious, spirituality was rarely spoken about. They were very conscious about letting us discover our own beliefs. My dad was raised catholic but rejected it.
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I went to public school, where I was always identified by the adults as gifted and 'special' (in a good way.) This led to an unfortunate sense of superiority and entitlement that caused many problems for me. Everything was too easy for me; I did not encounter anything I didn't know how to do until high school, where I flunked out of honors courses because I didn't know how to work hard or ask for help. This began a long slide into depression and serious self-esteem issues.
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After bumbling through community college in computer science with shit grades, I abandoned that field shortly after graduation and began again in geomatics/civil technology. This new field was much more interesting and I am now a surveyor and engineering tech. I do enjoy the work, but I don't quite feel it is my calling. I use it now as a vehicle for improving interpersonal skills and examining my bad habits. If I did not have to earn money, I would employ myself helping people learn how to enjoy life. I suspect I will earn my living this way in the future.
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When I was suffering through life in my early twenties, I began to try and figure out what was happening to me. I knew I had every material thing I needed, and every opportunity to be happy, but something was in the way. This prompted me to start reading books on how to be happy, which led to reading about spiritual traditions and philosophy. I slowly accumulated skills of thinking and living until I could actually bear my existence most of the time. About a year ago I experienced a major epiphany and my quality of life has improved about a thousand percent.
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My core values are:
Skill in dealing with one's thinking; compassion; nonjudgment; unconditional love; self-knowledge. My daily life is much easier now because I can always figure out what is upsetting me. I am still far from masterful at being calm or nonjudgmental but I have reached a point where I understand the reason for every instance of suffering I experience. From what I can see, my values are not represented by the majority but I find they are ubiquitous in almost every spiritual tradition if you are able to look past the romance and mythology.
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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Veritas
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 you, WC. Thanks for letting us know you.
I have to give credit for the thread idea to Redstorm, who started the stickied thread in the Political forum. He's a smart, smart man. It's way too easy to dehumanize people when you view them as "against" you in a debate, and when you don't interact with them IRL. Debates between friends may get heated, but you both always know that the other person is someone you know & care about.
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 Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9566291 - 01/07/09 04:58 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm just one of infinite cells in the body of the Universe.
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Turn off your mind, relax and floatdown stream. It is not dying. Lay down all thought, surrender to the void. It is shining.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9566308 - 01/07/09 05:00 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Welcome evermore to gods and men is the self-helping man. For him all doors are flung wide: him all tongues greet, all honors crown, all eyes follow with desire. Our love goes out to him and embraces him, because he did not need it.
~ R.W. Emerson, "Self-Reliance"
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Silversoul
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9566464 - 01/07/09 05:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas said:
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Basically, I'm someone who's in love with ideas, and I'd really love to find a career that allows me to put that to use.
Based on what I've seen from you in these forums, I think you have a real shot at that! Is there a field you're most interested in? There seems to be an increased focus on ideas which synthesize spirituality and science, so perhaps you could share what you've already been studying?
Well, I've been reading a lot of philosophy and theology lately. I've been particularly interested in the mind-body problem, as it seems to be the central battleground between spiritual and materialist metaphysical views. I recently started a journal where I write down my views on everything from theology to metaphysics to ethics to politics and economics. I kind of want to cover them all.
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Veritas
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Sounds interesting! Maybe exploring the underlying issues which are common to all your subjects of interest could be your "niche"?
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supernovasky
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9566752 - 01/07/09 06:12 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yup. This is a very cool idea.
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was brought up in a very poor family. My mother was a stay at home mom, and my dad was a truck-driver when I was born. Because of an accident that was my fathers fault, he split up with my mom so as to avoid bankruptcy, because he was going to get sued by the other driver. It was understood that it was going to be a fake divorce, but that was simply not the case... he was never going to get sued, and the divorce was real.
After the divorce, both became very religious... I was only 7 years old, so I was forced to go to church every day. My father attended a church that he called the "ah gah pay" (I don't know how it is properly spelled), but was only a marginal member. The church was disbanded when it was discovered that the pastor was money laundering, and when a dead baby was brought in and kept on ice so that they could "resurect it in the name of jesus." (I only wish this was a lie. My dad was not there for the incident and left the church before it got that bad)..
My mom was more of a liberal christian. She went to one of those community churches where they were very open and nondenominational. I preferred her church, there was no speaking in tongues or crazy people like in my dad's church. All the same, religion, especially christianity, left me dissatisfied early on.
I think the major reason that I left the spiritual and become a STRONG atheist in my teenage years was the internet. I was always naturally curious, so I researched everything online often. I found this website, godisalie.com, and was so afraid to type it in... but I did anyway, read it, and thought, "Man... this makes sense. I am ... an atheist." I said, a little fearful, haha. Eventually in my later teenage years, my parents learned about my views on their religious belief. At first, I was disowned, but they gradually came to accept me. My dad is now a "good christian" who does not force his views on anyone else, not like he used to be... he used to be kind of an asshole about it. My mom is still a liberal christian who is just trying to make her way in the world.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I had an amazing educational experience. At grades 1, I was determined to have a 7th grade math level, and a college reading level. I was very, very motivated when I was younger. That changed upon me becoming a teenager. Teenagers in the 90's were not concerned about academics, and if you seemed to be excessively concerned with academics, it was a bad thing that got you teased and bullied. I also was a bit fat because I ate way too much junk food, so things were bad for me back then.
However, in the 10th grade, I lost a LOT of weight, because I had a major stomach surgery for congenital defects. I also opened up, and joined debate, although nobody was any challenge back at my old high school. I left that school and went to a residential high school for the gifted taught completely by college professors, and got out of 28 hours of credit because of it. Being at a new, residential high school, I completely remade myself, became very outgoing, and very sociable. I also flourished in this environment, because I learned so many new things and met so many smart people. I found my wife there and married her, and we have been married for 3 years. I also tried marijuana there for my first time.
College is a new story. I focus on sociology, although I am about to apply to medical school.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
My ultimate goal is to work in neuropharmacology. I want to study the effects of drugs on the brain, especially for augmentation of cognition. I am well on my way on going to medical school, and I would quite honestly still pursue this line of work if I did not have to earn money. However, my backup plan and something I still will pursue even if I graduate medical school is obtaining a Ph.D. in anthropology. The origin and direction of man is a topic that I have strong opinions and ideas on, and I would love to write someday about it.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
My philosophy/spirituality has changed enormously. My very first rude awakening/epiphany came right before I searched that www.godisalie.com site. I was in a church, a sunday school, and they brought in this man who used the hand-on-forhead thing and said "HEEL!" to make you fall. Each of the other kids fell, and he got to me. I closed my eyes and he did it. I felt nothing. But I fell anyway... Upon falling I realized that each of the other kids probably did the same thing, because they didn't want to appear embarrassed. I was embarrassed to be human because of this. Its what originally led me to atheism.
My second epiphany came as a result of my STRONG atheism. I was what you would describe as a militant atheist. I reveled in showing christians how stupid their ideas were. I threw science at everyone, hated anyone who had any degree of faith in any religion, wrote everything religious off, and fiercely debated anyone who disagreed with my worldview. Upon going to my residential high school, I was exposed to a much more diverse range of viewpoints. Smoking marijuana chilled me out, and I reevaluated my militant atheism, and came to the determination that it was simply not for me. I became an agnostic.
I still maintain agnosticism, because it would be dumb for me to claim that I know anything with certainty. LSD has changed my spiritual views profoundly, though. I've seemed to merge spirituality and science in my own mind, and I have taken on a worldview similar to pantheism, deism, taoism, and humanism.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Waaay to deep to sum up. Let me do a quick copy and paste of the best attempt I've made on these forums so far at summing up my worldview:
I don't identify my "self" as flesh and bone, anymore, but rather the series of actions that my flesh and bone create. The mind, to me, is different, though caused, by the brain, a mass of neurons interacting with one another to produce actions, and the sum of those actions are my mind. Every mind is merely a form of collective consciousness, just as an ant has neurons that all secrete chemicals leading to the greater organization of thoughts in the ants brain, as simple as those thoughts may be, an ant colony is made up of a bunch of ants doing exactly what their neurons are doing, secreting chemicals and complex interactions leading to the formation of a greater mind than each individual ants. Humans do the same thing, secreting words and ideas, leading to the formation of societies and cultures that seemingly make decisions as a whole. I believe that galaxies, seas of stars and matter do the same, secreting light, gravity, and other forms of information transfer leading to a superstructure that is just like many of the structures far smaller than it. The universe works like a sea of neurons, relaying information down the most efficiently conductive channels through natural laws of physics.
I recognize that my mind is but one of an unimaginable number of these channels through which the matter in this universe has passed. I recognize that my living form, as I am today, is only a small blip in the history of my self, the series of atoms and energy that has come together to form my body, all of which come from an initial singularity, all of which come from the heart of a star, and all of which will end up where everyone else in this universe will end up.
Death of the physical body is not the end, in my opinion. It is simply a return to the state of being that I was in for the vast majority of my existence. In life, I was just as much a child of the universe as I will be in death. Every action that I made in life, as much as we like to believe in free will, was caused by a series of actions that happened before I was born. Even my deepest morals, my deepest feelings come from the influences that affected me during my life... I think its pretty pointless then to see self as something independent of everything else... So if I am not independent of everything else, if I am part of everything else, than my death is not the death of self, just the death of one of many manifestations of a greater self, a sea of influences.
I hope I'm not rambling too much... I guess I was called out to explain what I believe in. I know not all of this is taoist in nature, but much of it was formed through my readings of Taoist literature and practicing taoist traditions. I am not asking anyone to subscribe to any of these thoughts and feelings, and like always, I believe that much of what I have said above is not fully comprehensive of the greater picture, and like my own life, it is a work in progress.
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Veritas
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9566770 - 01/07/09 06:14 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Vital Stats: 36 y.o., caucasian, single mother of two sons (15 and 8), servant to two cats (both 8 months old), Pacific Northwest resident since 1974, very small carbon footprint.
1. Raised below the poverty level by a single mother. She was a lapsed Catholic, and tended to follow the "Guru of the Month." She discussed whatever new beliefs she had adopted at the time, but the constant shifting led me to become very skeptical of whatever quick fix she had discovered.
Her group of friends was very artistic and intellectual, and we held Sunday salons for years to view their art, hear their music & listen to their poetry. I was invited to join them & share my art, music & poetry, and they never talked down to me.
My favorite places were outdoors...our yard, in a tree, wandering in acres of BLM forest. Since I was homeschooled, I could spend the entire day among the fascinating bugs and flowers and trees, soaking up the sunshine.
2. I attended kindergarten, first grade & part of second grade. When I began having anxiety-based stomachaches every day, my mother decided that public school was not for me. She had not wanted to send me to school in the first place, but I insisted. My fantasy was that everyone at the school would be in love with learning, as I was, and that we would spend our days immersed in knowledge, smiling in glee. 
Homeschooling was perfect for me. I could be involved in the community AND have time alone, plus I could always work at my own pace. I started taking college classes when I was 14, and it was thrilling to talk with the professors about their subjects. Many of them seemed to love learning as much as I did, and it felt like meeting kindred spirits.
3. I'd like to pursue a career as a counselor, but cannot afford to take the time off work to complete the requisite hours of supervised internship. I plan to do so once my boys are out of the house, so that I can reasonably down-size my expenses while I put in my 800 hours.
Right now, I'm working full-time as a Broker's Assistant while I study to become a registered Financial Advisor. I'm also the owner of a bookkeeping service, but have scaled back my client load while I am working full-time as an employee.
This is partially a paycheck job, but also a way for me to be paid to learn about wealth-building. I spent years preparing tax returns, and seeing the technical details of wealth. I realized that there was nothing mysterious or lucky about it, and that I could learn to be wealthy, too.
So, now I get paid to learn & I can make all my investments without paying sales charges. Since these charges are usually between 4% and 6% of the total purchase, this is a significant benefit. I plan to build a great portfolio & have the financial means to pursue my deeper interests later.
4. I first became interested in philosophy & religion when I was 14. I went through an identity crisis, and felt very undefined. To the library I went, and read through every religious text, philosophical treatise & psychological work I could find. I found many similarities between the world's religions, and realized that they were essentially promoting rules to help humans to cooperate & live peacefully.
I couldn't get into the idea of God, though it was very attractive. The idea of a being who is all-powerful & loving was very appealing, but I could not see nor feel any evidence that such a being existed. My awe was reserved for nature and ideas, and I decided that that was OK.
Reading the complete works of Jung and Freud inspired me, and I signed up for my first college psychology class. My interest has not waned in the 20+ years since then.
5. My core values include rationality, non-attachment, compassion, ecological responsibility, facing my fears, achievement and love. My sons are the most important way I contribute to this world, and I push myself to give more to them every year. My values seem to be very different from the majority, and I often feel alienated when faced with blatant disregard for what I value. It's my work to accept that there may not be a "one size fits all" way to do this human thing, and that they are just doing it their way. 
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supernovasky
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9566789 - 01/07/09 06:17 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas... One of my most valued theories is Jung's theory of the collective unconscious mind. It has quite literally shaped my worldview over the last year.
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Veritas
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Yes, it's a fascinating theory. I've come to think that it has more to do with empathy and basic similarity than a true collective unconscious, but I still like the idea.
We are all much more alike than we are different, yet the nature of perception creates the distorted idea that we are unique and alien. IOW, we may not all be "one," but we are very close to the same.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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I'm not going to bore any of you with a life story here so I'll just wrap it up.
I was raised in a very religious home,
started life as a catholic and became an evangelical
due to my fathers disagreements with the Vatican.
As a child I scored relatively high on standardized tests
and was put into programs for "gifted" children, but by middle school
I lost interest in academics and began to get into "trouble".
I was sent to a few alternative schools most of which were evangelical run.
At these schools I learned Christianity inside and out and came to
recognize all of the logical traps that the religious fall into.
I graduated from high school and went to work and after a year
began college and I currently plan to get a B.S. in biochemistry.
I may come off as hostile from time to time, but I have seen first
hand many of the problems which unsubstantiated belief can cause.
I rarely beleive that I am right so dont take anything I say too personal.
Oh BTW I'm 19 years old.
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Mr. Cypher said: "I just tell the girls how sexy I am and their panties melt."
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Don't be too quick to assume that your life story would be "boring." It sounds like an interesting life, from your Readers' Digest version.
What attracts you to Biochem? I considered scientific majors, but I hated being in the lab. Same with computer science, though my profs practically begged me to change my major.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Lion]
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As far back as I can remember, I always loathed school.
Yeah same. My priority was always to enjoy myself, I hated the idea of being a slave to the teachers and their homework... even in my earliest years. I did whatever I needed to get by, which wasn't much. In grade 11 I got into psychedelics and quit going to half of my classes, but I passed. In grade twelve I hardly went to school as my parents worked full time and the teachers or principal didn't seem to mind that I skipped so much. I failed grade 12, but graduated the next year doing school from home (virtual schooling).
I couldn't understand my brother who would go to every class and do his homework during almost all of his free time outside of school.
He's now depressed, addicted to alcohol and rarely thinks for himself. I'm guessing it's an accumulation of all the stress he went through in school... taking it too seriously and all. Quite the rut he got himself into.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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What attracts you to Biochem?
My goal ever since I was young was to understand the universe around me.
In order to understand anything I thought I should first understand myself, both psychologically and as a system.
I have always been very interested in biology so I figured that was the route which I would take.
This is also why I am into psychedelics.
For awhile I wanted to major in psych but IMO it is based mainly on assumptions.
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Hey, it sounds like we have a lot to talk about! 
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Mu
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But seriously (or at least less brief),
"1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you? "
I come from a family of misers. Middle class, but we live at or below our means. I went to summer school at a church as a kid so my mom could get me out of the house, but going there did help me realize that people have different beliefs. The only philosophy my parents ever discussed with me was A) how to not be worthless, and B) how to do my best, neither of which you will find in books.
"2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?"
I hated myself and high school, then I got to college and loosened up, became a lot less scared. I was always a nerd, but I liked to do puzzles and study things like biology for fun, I liked the animals and plants. I apply every day of my life to every other day of my life.
"3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?"
I would like to live in a place that was warm all year round in a field of berries. If I must work, I'll be going for a tenure track job as a philosophy professor. Key word: Tenure. Right now I am a dishwasher at Bob Evans. I love it. If I could do any job I wanted right now for no money I would be a priest.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I used to be an athiest, but then I realized it was stupid to say that I believed in anything. Right now I'm a firm believer that I am. That's about it.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?"
Judge not lest ye be judged.
Be Honest.
Forgive people, and ask for forgiveness (Say "Sorry")
Treat others as I would like to be treated.
Other people have these values, but sometimes they forget. No one ever seems to be offended by my values.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9567627 - 01/07/09 08:25 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Good idea. This should be interesting.
22 year-old male, caucasian, leading a somewhat pointless-feeling existence at the moment, slave to one cat.
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
My upbringing was pretty middle-class and very liberal. My parents are not rich, but well off enough to afford luxuries. My mom is atheist and my dad was pretty agnostic up until a recent joining of Asatru; they occasionally spoke of what "some people believe" when describing religion to me.
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2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
Terrible. I hated school from the first day of preschool, never developed much of a liking, shirked homework whenever possible, skipped as often as possible. In the earlier years the anxiety of being stuck in school often made me feel sick and panicky. Though I got over this in the later years, I can count the number of classes I did well in on one hand - Journalism stands out. I managed to get onto the high school paper despite my dismal grades because my English teacher thought I stood out (even though I got a D in her class, like most other classes), and I actually did very well there.
I also got mostly A's and B's during the two years of high school I spent in an "Independent Study" program, where I would meet one-on-one with teachers once a week and be assigned my workload in the form of homework, tests done in-school.
I've had several fucked-up years of junior college as well. Shitty grades, lack of motivation and direction. I am going back this month to study journalism, though. I plan on seeing the campus therapist to help me with my organizational problems and issues with focusing.
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3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
In the long term, journalism. At the moment, I'm a semi-employed barista. I really enjoy working with coffee and with people but I'm currently waiting on my boss to open shop.
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4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I have never been very certain about my reality. I remember at age three asking where my thoughts came from and what they were; when I was told they came from my brain, I asked how my brain did it. Nobody could really answer that one. And so I've always been fascinated with the multitude of different ways people have formulated to answer, approach, or avoid this question.
I was especially fascinated with Buddhism when I read about it in sixth grade history, and I have been sporadically practicing meditation ever since.
Psychedelics had a large impact on me, shaking my ontological perspectives to their core. LSD convinced me of the fluidity of consciousness, showed me how Mind may truly be the central point of the entire universe, made me genuinely consider, for the first time, that my body, personality, and self may be a temporary vessel for an eternal consciousness, expressing itself in infinite terms.
I stopped trying to address these ideas eventually, as I found that in the anxious moments of my life they would exacerbate my fears. Now I appreciate them as being part of the mystery of life, without which we would enjoy no sense of meaning or excitement in our existence. This holds true regardless of ontology. In the meantime I've realized that there are more pressing things to worry about within my own life.
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5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
At the moment, I have a hard time answering that. I want to enjoy my experience of life, I want to live peacefully and harmoniously, and I want to share it with people I love. I feel everybody deserves this equally, and that the "worst" among us are ultimately victims of circumstance. Nobody deserves to suffer for any reason IMO. I don't know how many people feel the same way as me on this.
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Nobody deserves to suffer for any reason IMO. I don't know how many people feel the same way as me on this.
Me, for one. It's part of what draws me to a career in counseling. I see people causing themselves so much needless suffering, and I wish that they could understand what they are doing & how to stop.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9568297 - 01/07/09 10:22 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
My dad was director of several publicly traded companies, as well as a geologist.
He also had his own private management company. So yeah, we had money, but he has never given me any of it, nor did I want any. I always felt like getting money and not working for it was cheating, so me and him have always been pretty separate and I guess not very close. He is extremely intelligent.
My sister, who just finished her degree in nursing, did so with her own money and without having to get student loans. I don't think the degree would have meant anything to her if my dad had just paid all her tuition. It's weird how my family members are all really independent and all want to "make it" on their own.
My dad has a lengthy criminal record, all drug and drug trafficking related. However, this all occurred before I was born, he has been totally clean for over 30 years now. I am sure his former heroin addiction had lasting effects on his brain.
Both my mom and dad were not religious, and we rarely ever discussed philosophy or spirituality at home. I guess other than my dad's unnatural wealth it was a pretty normal childhood, and we lived in a modest house and never went on any extravagant vacations or anything like that.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I did well in school but spent most of my time reading encyclopedias, history and any non-fiction I could get my hands on. I did best in Chemistry and Physics, getting all the awards in these subjects in high school. I actually got 100% on my final departmental exam in Physics, which only a few others did in my province. I wouldn't say I studied very hard at all, which is why I never did as well in subjects like English. I would say school was pretty fun.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I have always done very high paying jobs, mostly in the mining and oil industry. I guess I have the advantage that I am well versed in these areas, so it isn't as hard for me to get a job as someone who wasn't brought up around geology and geological exploration their whole lives.
Now, do I like this kind of work? Not really, but I am good at it. Like for example I have cut down probably hundreds of acres of forest with heavy equipment... but I am a person who likes trees and natural ecosystems. But that was my job, to cut them down so I did it. And because I did something that most people wouldn't want to do I got paid a lot of money.
However, the work is hit and miss, totally unstable but lucrative when available.
What I actually want to do is grow food for a living, being a farmer. However there is pretty much no money in this and the startup costs are enormous.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I have pretty much always been interested in philosophical questions, since age 7.
I have had several epiphanies over the years, which occurred as I studied this world through non-fiction and actual experiences. These have been consistently negative, as it seems the more I learn about the way the world works, the more distasteful the overall picture becomes.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I don't really have any values, I am willing to do just about anything, including things which are illegal. The only reason I don't do them is there is no reason to and the repercussions if caught would be horrible. Otherwise there is no morality guiding me. I wouldn't say I am a sociopath because although I find it easy to control others I find no motivation to do so. In general people bore me. 
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9568346 - 01/07/09 10:34 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Veritas, why are your sons so important to you?
Also, what do you mean by "building a portfolio" for yourself?
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9569181 - 01/08/09 04:04 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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\When I began having anxiety-based stomachaches every day, my mother decided that public school was not for me.
I gotta say... you're lucky. I had the same experience and my parents told me to "grin and bear it." I had a couple years in HS which were less orthodox and excelled academically in that time, but the majority was typical public schooling, which I simply could not deal with. It was just an ongoing struggle with pitiful results.
I also have an interest in psychology and counseling, but that's not really what I'm aiming for in my career, simply because I don't feel I understand myself well enough to help others understand themselves.
I plan to base my career in journalism, though I hope to be able to get involved in the psychology community through that basis. I feel I have a lot to say on the subject, even if I would not prefer to be a therapist or counselor myself. The only classes I've really succeeded in with JC so far are psych classes.
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Veritas, why are your sons so important to you?
Also, what do you mean by "building a portfolio" for yourself?
My sons are important because I love them, and want them to have the best life experience they can. They are also important because they are one of my contributions to the world, and will cause a ripple effect (positively or negatively) that starts with me.
I was referring to building a portfolio of investments, stocks/bonds/mutual funds/other, which will appreciate in value and generate income during my retirement.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9569600 - 01/08/09 07:37 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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That certainly is a noble goal you have.
Myself I was conceived while my mom had her tubes tied, and a super intelligent sperm somehow navigated through it. I was a completely unplanned accident. And although my parents I'm sure had the same goal as you do, I can't help but wonder if it was really worth it? I think if I had the chance I would tell that rogue sperm to turn back... but since I'm already here I might as well keep going in case something interesting happens.
So far not much interesting has happened, and all I see is a natural system designed to produce more DNA, with epic battles between individual, unthinking genes over millions of years... and we just happened to come along and fit into the design, so we're here.
Well, it certainly is a noble goal you have.
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"So far not much interesting has happened, and all I see is a natural system designed to produce more DNA, with epic battles between individual, unthinking genes over millions of years... and we just happened to come along and fit into the design, so we're here."
Same experience here, pretty much, only minus the "we". "we" is just a label for something that is always changing..
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: xFrockx]
#9577183 - 01/09/09 01:06 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Great idea, Veritas!
I might add something about me shortly, but it'll take some time to concisely frame my views.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: deCypher]
#9577295 - 01/09/09 01:29 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Credit for the original idea must go to Redstorm, who started a similar thread in the Political forum a while ago.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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Probably the next best thing to sitting in the same room Born in St.Petersburg, Fla. Father was Union official/ politician Mother was biology professor Both parents were Democrats, Greek orthodox,Catholic Both parents were very strict, and didn't talk about sex or religion but did talk politics. My Mother's father was an Admiral, and was banished when she married my Father. My Fathers family were fishermen, and banished him when he married my Mother. I went to a private Catholic school that was year round, and graduated when I was fourteen. I was in a band called The Emotions and we went to L.A. when I graduated. The band disbanded when our lead singer died, and I stayed in L.A. 1) Spent two years at UCLA, and the summers at Berkeley 2) Spent two years at U.of Fla./ and the summers at Stetson 3) Spent four years at LSU/Shreveport 4) Spent five years in the Peace Corps./ Africa 5) Joined the Air Force/ transfered to the D.O.E./ State Dept., Spent eight years in the Lavant. 6) when I got back to the U.S. I had a business for ten years, but sold everything when my Wife passed away. 7) Decided to get back into music/ built a studio and started a small indie label. ( Crow Magnum Mann ) Last year I added a video/film production studio. I play guitar,piano,cello,sax, and some others a little. ----------------------I like all kinds of music but play rock/blues, and listen to metal/Pantera. ---------------------When I was twelve I joined a band with much older guys. They slipped LSD into my kool-aid, and that was my epiphany. I don't like commercialism, materialism, or anything that is ego driven. I do psychedelics about once a month, and smoke reefer almost every day. I don't smoke or drink or do any other drugs. 8)I am an addicted professional student, right now I am taking chemistry and psychology at U.F. I'm probably going to drop psychology, and maybe add physics. 9)I have two sons in their early twenties, and a daughter who is thirty . 10) I have been a conservative since Berkeley, I try to be a good neighbor and a productive citizen. 11) I live in the woods with nine cats, and a golden retriever.
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May i ask what your major epiphany was Whiskey Clone?
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It was a weird moment. I went down to a beach to sit quietly and watch the ocean and when I got there I found myself profoundly annoyed by a few little details... a piece of garbage in the water, some horse poo piles up and down the sand, and some bratty kids nearby. It almost seemed like these little annoyances were conspiring to ruin not just my walk to the beach, but that every moment in life was at risk of being tainted by imperfections like that.
I remember getting really worked up internally, very angry thoughts. Then suddenly I was startled by something my mind said, like somebody else had broken a precious silence to shout it right in my ear, except it was my own voice. I almost jumped, it was so rude and unexpected. And my babbling mind just switched right off in that instant and the rest of the moment all hit me at once, the sky, the water, the smell of the sand, the heat. I was blown away by the stunning detail in everything around me. Every detail of it was a masterpiece. I sat there for a while and my mind didn't utter another word the whole time. It was the most comfortable and happy I had ever been.
After that everything became a lot easier, nothing ever seemed as dire and urgent as before. The actions of other people bother me much less, I don't get self-conscious nearly as much, the world does not seem threatening to me anymore.
I learned that my thinking is really the only thing that can make me feel bad. I had known that that must be true for a long time, but this was the first time I ever really saw it happening.
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Wow, that is great story! Hearing other people's epiphanies/wisdom is always so hollow untill you actually have that "aha!" moment for yourself, it's a brilliant feeling.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9592280 - 01/11/09 09:40 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I am a Mexican-American born here in the US, brought up and baptized by the Roman Catholic church, which some of my extended family still consider themselves a part of. I was raised in a pretty small town in the SF Bay Area, which is, and was much more so in the past, poverty stricken. But my father owned(s) his own electrical contracting business (a small business), and therefore my family was relatively well of, financially speaking
I wouldn't say that my parents were too religious, but, IMHO, they are spiritually powerful beings. I always talked about whatever came into my mind with my mother as I was growing up, but I don't remember philisophical/spiritual disucssions being something that was regular.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
Although I grew up in a poor town, I had the blessed fortune of being able to attend some of the richest, highly-renowned schools in the state of California, which was one town over. I enjoyed, and still enjoy learning, but I never really liked school itself. Never had any stable freindships, never had a girlfriend, and basically never really liked the way people were.
I think that if I didn't go to the schools that I went to, I'd probably be in jail, or even worse, dead, because being raised in the town I was raised in, I wouldn't have lasted very long. Therefore, I think every second of my life can be thanked to my educational background, whether or not that is altogether a good thing....
I dropped out of high school within the first week of my senior year, in which I attended a continuation school because I failed my junior year due to, well, drug use.
I also attended community college, twice, but dropped out mid-quarter, both times.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
Honestly, I want to be the best of the best in whatever I do. I absolutely refuse to be under anybody in whichever career I choose, and, since I'm such a Huxley fanatic, being the "Resident World Controller" sounds most appealing to me!
I don't work anywhere right now (I'm only almost 20) because I am having some troubles in my life, but I am getting shit together and I plan to continue my education and get some sort of job to supplement this. If I did not have to earn money, I would probably just lie around all day on a warm, comfy couch or bed. I would absolutely not do any sort of work if I didn't have to.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I think the way I go about or the general method I implement towards philosophizing hasn't changed much during my whole life, but I seem to go through different phases in which I mainly concentrate on specific aspects of philosophy/spirituality. I'd say that any rude awakenings or epiphanies I've had never shook my foundation, but they sure did make me feel foolish whenever they occured! I was Atheist for like two or three years (before believing in God "just incase"), but I think that that was the result of me reading into the Bible too literally.
I've always been interested in reality, philosophy, and spirituality.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
My core values, or my core beliefs? I think that, maybe, at all of our cores, our values are the same because each of us experiences this life through a soul, mind, body and its senses, so therefore we equally sympathize and feel empathy towards one another, even though that nature seems to compel us to, at times, act wrongfully towards ourselves.
Was that too much or too little?
Edited by Poid (01/18/09 10:24 PM)
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Poid]
#9601277 - 01/13/09 11:50 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am the love child of a hippie. Was born in So California but have spent about 1/2 my life there and the other 1/2 in the rural Southeast. My mother eventually bought a bunch of land and moved a bus there and lived there for a few years w/o running water and elec. I stayed with her until she passed when she got cancer. I've seen both sides of living. From having very little and making do to having plenty and living well. The time of having very little taught me alot more than the time of plenty.
Most of my education was public school but due to some extreme circumstances I was put in a Christian private school for high school. The Bible was studied every day like a history class. While I've always believed in a higher power, my beliefs wouldn't necessarily be considered Christian. I feel Christians limit what is. I have never found a religion that fits me.
I help run a non-profit org. that's agriculturally based and love it. That's where I feel I "fit". As I'm someone more comfortable (and happier) alone in the woods or working with the land than surrounded by people.
My core values would be integrity, honesty (especially with oneself which is the hardest to keep) and just trying to be nice. I have many friends who've told me over and over again I am too nice, but I don't want to change.
Most of the observations I make on this forum are from personal experience rather than from a book I read. Although I do read alot. Or rather I used to.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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Guess I've been around the P&S long enough, I'll let you all know some stuff about me. Although if you ever read my journal on this site you'd probably learn much more than you ever wanted to know haha.
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Well I was raised in the Rocky Mountains. My parents owned 5 acres of forest land. Definitely spent a lot of time exploring nature as a kid. Climbing trees, walking in the forest, climbing mountains, etc.
I attended Sunday school until the age of about 8...and I remember I was always the kid questioning my teachers about their so called "facts". It didn't take me long to figure out religion was too good to be true.
My brother (6 years older than I) was very intelligent and I would often have philosophical talks with him, usually science related but occasional we would delve into religion. He considered himself agnostic, while I considered myself atheist for a long while.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I wouldn't say I enjoyed school, more simply I just accepted it. I knew I had to do it, and so I did it without complaining. School work was always very easy for me, and I never really had to push myself. Several of my english teachers said I should go to college for journalism, but my interest always laid in science. My graduating high school class (280 people) actually voted me "Most Likely To Be the Next Einstein".....I guess I was honored, haha.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
Well the term "career" doesn't interest me at all. I don't think that far ahead.
I'm in college earning an environ. engineering degree...but that is purely because I find it interesting and I think it offers a chance for me to make a difference in society. But I don't have any long term career plans, I live in the moment too much for that.
If money didn't exist, I would just travel around the world and help people build stuff.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Actually, yes. Dramatically! My sophomore year of college I used psychedelics for the first time (mushrooms), and it changed my world. All it took was one trip for me. I used to be quite outgoing...I would even have called myself an extrovert, but afterwards I became very quiet and reflective for quite a long time. I've taken those MTBI personality tests, and they say i'm very weakly an introvert.
At this point in my life, I questioned all of my spiritual beliefs. I began to furiously search for answers, mostly on the internet. That is, of course, when I found the Shroomery and this very P&S forum!! I brought many of my questions and thoughts here, and you have no idea how much you all have helped me. There was a time when I was so lost and confused that I had suicidal thoughts. Luckily those didn't stick around for long.
My outlook on life was changed significantly. I was always interested in space, and I wanted to devote my life to helping mankind explore space. Well, now I see that there aren't really any answers in space....and its the ANSWERS, i realized, that I was truly looking for. Once I saw that no one had the answers I was looking for, I began looking inward instead of outward, and it has changed who I am. Its still changing who I am.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
The things I value most are simple: Love, friendship, peace, happiness, humor, goodwill.
Maybe I sound like a hippie, but if theres one thing the hippies have right, is that peace & love should rule the Earth....not hate/control/fear/arrogance.
I feel like the "reality" of the world presses harder upon me than it does for most people. I think that was part of my awakening that happened when I took mushrooms for my first time. I realized all these harsh truths about the world that before I had been averting my eyes too. It took me over a year to really get over this I think....but even now, I believe I still "sense" the reality of the world more deeply than most people. I'm not always sure how to express the feelings I get, but they are definitely there.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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I was born on a farm and raised inner city,family religion was Pentacostle and babtist,I went to the Church of Christ as a youngster and was a member or the Royal Rangers sort of a christian Boy scouts group,the written word of the bible was the law of the land,Most of the time my mom raised us,I have two brothers and a sister of which I am the oldest,as far as school went I had problems with math and grammer obviously and I beg your pardon,In the subjects that i liked i went beyond the college level at a very early age,wore out the school library on variouse subjects,we struggled as far as money went,not the best of things but they could have been a lot worse,I am pretty well read and have very good comprehension,as far as a career,I am a pretty good cook but my chosen profession is Native style Flute making and playing,as far as money goes its convenient when theres enough to pay the bills and keep my shop going but I could care less about riches,I like things as simple as possible,as far as my phylosophies go I still believe in The father The Son and The Holy Spirit but I dont believe in Hell Per say,I think we are loved unconditionally and this life is a gift and while god may advise us on a course of the lesser of two evils its up to us to decide to take it,we are all the sons and daughters of God and when we die we go home,all of us,the good the bad and the ugly,when you get there your life is laid before you and you get to see with the eyes of unconditional love what youve done,thats the only hell that i know,and for most it will be more than enough,thou shalt not kill does not mean thou shalt not kill unless,its gods gift to give and its gods gift to take away and in the words of the riddler if you kill them they wont learn nothin,I've always been interested in learning the truth,the problem with that is I dont believe everything I read or hear,it has to make sense to me on a personal level,I'm open to other opinions I'm just not open to manipulation or coersion,as far as my values,I am trying to mix shamanism and the trinity,I think you cAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT AS LONG AS IT DSOES NO HARM TO OTHERS,but harm can be far reaching,I still struggle with being outspoken when I should be listening with an open mind,when I was very young I asked god to grant me the power of wisdom,well let me tell you,be careful what you wish for,you kinda have to make every mistake there is and live through it,I'm still learning and listening and some day I hope to be wise,if I live long enough.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9614517 - 01/15/09 11:53 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm an observer, a listener, an analyst. I live most of my life in my head; most of my true beliefs go unsaid.
I think I'm clever, but I often lack common sense. Sometimes I wonder if I'm slightly autistic.
I try to foster awareness: the present moment is of utmost importance.
I'm a procrastinator -- a beginner of many projects but a completer of few.
I'm a rationalist. I need evidence to believe, and my analytical mind constantly asks, 'How can you know that?'
How I came to be this person is of little importance to me. My focus lies in how I can use what I've already got. Onward I go.
(Great thread.  )
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9620018 - 01/16/09 08:21 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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How about guessing each others' bios instead?
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Isn't that what many of us do already?
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I saw a video of you playing violin a couple months ago...From my dim recall I estimate 26, dark brown hair, white, 6'0, 150 lbs.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Lion]
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ah,
that wasn't me, that was someone who played some tunes i've worked on
i'd be more jolly and less morose than him, i hope
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Hello and welcome to the shroomery.
I am not too sure of anything anymore.?.
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Initially I grew up in rural Ontario, the son of a municipal I.T. worker and a fitter welder. We didnt have much money as my dad was an alcoholic, which led to my parents divorcing when I was between 10 and 12. They were not religious, my dad's never spoken a word regarding God to me, and I know that "technically" my mom is a Protestant, although never went to church.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
Initially I did well in school. I enjoyed it well, I got great marks, and all seemed well. Then my parents divorced and we moved away into a town which was close by. I gradually lost interest in school, and ended up graduating with fairly mediocre marks. I'm currently enrolled in a Library Technician program.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I have no real aspirations. I will try to work in a library upon graduation simply due to the fact I will have a diploma which will qualify me for that.
If I didn't have to work for money, I would learn a trade and eventually build my own house.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I had no real religious feelings for years. In grade 12 I dreamed I met God, and have been working through what that meant for some time. I guess now I simply believe that there is a feeling which one can feel which they will associate with God. I imagine this is the same feeling some have during different practices thought to bring on "Revelation". I'm not sure I buy the idea of there being an external deity. At best I'm more of a pandeist.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I'm not sure what my core values are. Try and understand others without judging them, I suppose. I would also like to have a family some day, and I plan on building a foundation which will allow that.
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"currently enrolled in a Library Technician program"
iow, you're going to be a librarian-?
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I don't know what iow means, but no, I'm going to be a library technician. In order to become a librarian, one has to go to University and get a Masters in Library and Information Science, I believe. I think how that works is one gets a normal 4 year degree, then goes to "Library school" for an additional 2 years. I don't have the kind of money to be in school for that long.
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in other words
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Re: Who Are You? *DELETED* [Re: Veritas]
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9643907 - 01/20/09 05:05 AM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Hopefully science prooves undoubtedly meaning for life after death. Something we can all feel comfortable with especially since natural deaths or survival instincts for food etc is a beuatiful thing we are just cursed with complexity for the love to live as any creature naturaly but our minds differ I think since we have some unique thingy in brainy making us fear death we love with worry we are spiritual beings we were meant to question these things dont you just hate not knowing what happens when you are dead?
If your burried in a casket darkness covers you so in hell.
Sun light...energy life supposed big bang...gases...chemistry...molecules...so would it be better to give your corpse to give life thus tranferring your essence into life which also provides some sort of life which the chain goes on for how long? Will the universe ever.....die out?
Supposedly humans have an aura around the body which isnt body heat rather a invisible energy that surrounds our bodies...dunno if thats all true but if it were well maybe when our body decays that aura transforms or something similar.
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Different people different faces.
I grew up an LA punk from Hollywood.
I went to Maharishi U in Fairfield when 17.
I did some extra work in some famous movies.
I moved to NOLA
I have been a chef for 20 years
having done the whole fucking thing.
I meditate daily.
I am a druggie without good druggie friends.
That's me.
Hope you liked it.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9654297 - 01/21/09 05:53 PM (3 years, 4 months ago) |
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Firstly, it was an excellent idea to take this idea to P&S, Veritas, and I think this is somewhere it could really be useful. Also, this is my first post since I found myself internetless so: Hello.
Sorry if this is long, but I can just reference it if another thread like this arises.
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was born white into a middle class family with three older brothers from a different dad and an already unstable household. Around the age of five or six my parents divorced, which except for during a couple moments didn't and hasn't caused me much distress. I always figured that they don't get along so they shouldn't be together.
Both parents were religious but neither to a great extent, I was taken to church and programmed as a Christian for the first twelve years of my life. I had never really understood it (and for good reason), and I didn't partake in praise and worship despite an already present love for music, and rarely in anything else.
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2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
School was not an enjoyable experience per se, from sixth to tenth grade I was gaining weight, and with that came the privilege of not enjoying any middle-highschool romances. I gained alot of insight into people and relationships through this, being the guy who would talk and fall in love with girls but was never satisfied due to unattractiveness. At the time this irritated me greatly, though I now understand this is simply as humans are. I feel sex is a very important part of a committed relationship and I hold nothing against these ladies.
I can pin point one of the best turn arounds in my life being a direct result of getting a job at a pizza place. Exposure to great people, music, and drugs ensued. After some personal researching and a few months of consistent peer pressuring on the job, I smoked some pot. This got me thinking. Smoking pot after working late most school nights contributed to me sleeping through most classes (which was not unusual anyways), skipping the others and making up for all that ignored homework in the last week before exams. Thankfully we have school systems catered towards apathy. Sadly, this apathy is in the entire system and not just the students.
I did drum in a the jazz program grades 7-11, and my love for music prospered throughout. My love for my teachers, though...
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After trying to get into a few better paying industries I fell back in a slump to a nice kitchen job where I cook lunch for folks six days a week. This is an atmosphere I quite enjoy.
I haven't been able to decide on any specific career, ideally I would make music out in nature and get paid slightly less than a professional athlete for it. Realistically though I can't think of any career in the music industry I would like to pursue, but have currently come up with a back up solution of taking a two year course in Massage Therapy. I feel that if my work were to make someone else feel good I would find alot more motivation in it than I would in another. The course would also satisfy my growing thirst for knowledge of the human body.
Ideally I would also go to university around the age of 30 with enough money in the bank to pursue educational interests without focusing on career choices. The only problem I see with this is that I've never done homework unless it was absolutely neccesary, and this is a habit that I'm certain a decade and bit of doing nothing about won't fix.
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4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I've mentioned this in these forums before several times but I was raised in a Christian environment, but I could never really dig it, too many plot holes. Due to being raised around the idea, it was very hard to shake the feeling of God though. The idea had never settled in my mind, but there was an uncertainty of the world around me, having been told the cause for everything around me was God. The feeling to pray for protection when I was scared or for mercy when I was hurting, or rather, the feeling that resulted is what I felt of this God. The feeling I mentioned is the feeling of blind hope that everything would be made better by an unseeable force, this is a feeling I came to less and less very quickly.
Around the age of twelve I dropped the tag Christian because I really did not like the associations I had with it. A few years, friends, and drugs later I found P&S and I started questioning alot harder. I slapped on the tag Agnostic, the belief in God was no longer present, but Agnosticism was the easiest solution while still under a Christian roof.
I could not be more thankful for Shroomery's Philosophy & Spirituality forum, I found it was just the right time in my life during a crisis in my belief system and a coming of age with psychedelics. I have learned from many on here but I must say that some key catalysts in my thought process were Icelander's posts. They resonated very well with me and held a sharp and satisfying accuracy that I had never observed before.
I'm not exactly sure what happened when, but reading the opinions of others and having these view points expressed logically and thoughtfully started to pluck strings out of the ball of yarn (that was my mind), and then I could start to unravel my thought process and analyze myself in a way I had never before. Progress has ensued, it's only been two and a bit years and I feel like I am inside a new mind, one I enjoy much more.
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5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I really don't know what my core values would be, this life is absurd and scary and embracing and loving and hurting and all of it is equally valuable in the sense that other than what value I apply, everything is irrelevant. But I do value beauty, which is yet again subjective. And I find this beauty everywhere in this life, the whole concept is beautiful, ... and this is when I no longer have words for what I would like to express. But if I could communicated this feeling it would be beautiful, I promise you.
I suppose I feel mostly like an observer. That is to say, yes, I enjoy the feelings of love and happiness but I also understand these would not be here without the lack there of. I do not feel any drive to create happiness or fight suffering, it is all very essential yes but I would much prefer to simply watch and feel the beauty. I don't fight unhappiness or cling to good feelings, I bob on top of the wave that is the human existance.
I have started to notice more and more recently that I easily get defensive around the subject of age. I am 17, but more often than not I cannot relate to a 17 year old. I have always prefered older company, and through observation realized other than intentional refining of the thought process humans aged 17 to 55 share the same method of thinking I do, confirming that just because someone is older it does not make them better. If you see me getting defensive, please let me know.
You are all a part of my story.
Edit (More!?): I should mention that I find alot of value in awareness. Not neccesarily how the word is used around these parts, but knowing and understanding the root of action and emotion is how I use awareness; being aware of the cause of the observed effect. This results from introspection, nearly my favorite pass time.
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I and I am I am.;)
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Bernackums
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Axiom420]
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I wish I understood.
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objective and subjective are always in motion
and if i just look at the me sometimes it seems foreign, like maybe that's not really me at all.
I would like to get to a place where the me isn't participating so much, so i can just look at things without me getting in the way with all his concepts and ideas and internal models.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Freedom]
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I would like to get to a place where the me isn't participating so much, so i can just look at things without me getting in the way with all his concepts and ideas and internal models.
Me too.
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I would like to get to a place where the me isn't participating so much, so i can just look at things without me getting in the way with all his concepts and ideas and internal models.
Me too.
Its easier than you think, the 'me' is only an idea
If you see that this 'me' is nothing but an idea then how long can the idea trouble you?
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I am not troubled by the ego, I think it is a very functional mechanism.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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i grew up, then i grew sideways
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I am not troubled by the ego, I think it is a very functional mechanism.
....but doesn't it ever bother you, or make you slightly nervous at least sometimes?
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: sleepy]
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i grew up, then i grew sideways
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Bernackums
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Poid]
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I am not troubled by the ego, I think it is a very functional mechanism.
....but doesn't it ever bother you, or make you slightly nervous at least sometimes?
Things I find bothersome don't usually make me nervous so that feels like two questions, but not really, no.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9750948 - 02/06/09 03:48 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. I was raised in a poor part of an economically failing city, I was permitted to do as I pleased which led to a stunted maturation. My family had no money or showed any desire to work. My mother was “religious” with an anglican backward concept of God, she never discussed religion or even school work or my life but provided what a child fundamentally needed, displays of affection.
2. I failed in every measure of secondary education due to experiencing a difficult childhood. I have only just began to remember some school days, I am 31. So therefore I blocked out all of my high school days, Prior to my abusive experiences (age10) I was very academically sighted. But since my "impressive" curriculum days have passed while i was not "there" - I left school with no formal qualifications, my life has only really began in the past 5 years.
3. I have an innate need to help other people, so I am driven to service oriented jobs, I am currently out of work, taking time to participate in intensive therapy to remake my life. But when I do work, I love my work, the action becomes a display for the love I can have for my life and the things in it. My Ideal job would be to volunteer my time abroad in third world countries; I am starting my app process for VSO in May.
4. My philosophy has changed dramatically over the past two years, vast knowledge has came my way and my beliefs have elevated me from hell to living heaven on earth. My old philosophy on spirituality was distorted due to my mother and my own willful ignorance, It has taken a total reconstruction of the structure of beliefs I held on life, myself and God to arrive at the conclusions I have today. I genuinely became interested in spirituality and philosophy at age 29.
5. My driving value is: I am a happy person today and it is only natural for a happy person to see other people happy, I try to cut out motives other than altruism, I make this happen by being open and honest with folk. I think too many people are living in maya and so people may not have thought about certain things before;
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Like those who see others dying around them, yet forget they must die one day likewise, he had seen other people's domestic tragedies take place, but never for a moment imagined that tragedies of a like nature could ever happen in connection with himself. And that being so, he had never given an instant of thought as to how he should act under similar circumstances, so that when the blow fell he was like a child thrown into troublous waters and quite unable to swim.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9755730 - 02/07/09 03:33 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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How about guessing each others' bios instead?
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Isn't that what many of us do already?
If the Off-Topic Discussion forum weren't the way it is right now, we wouldn't have to be guessing each others' bios. We would be able to freely get to know each other more intimately, without having a bunch of fools play their silly little pointless ego games.
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I am not troubled by the ego, I think it is a very functional mechanism.
....but doesn't it ever bother you, or make you slightly nervous at least sometimes?
Things I find bothersome don't usually make me nervous so that feels like two questions, but not really, no.
It was two questions.
So you never feel nervous? I doubt that....
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9758646 - 02/08/09 01:07 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm me. And I'm here to feel smart.
Other than that, I'm 22 and about to graduate a community college. I'm all set to transfer to a four-year school in the fall, and I am still shaky about what direction I want to aim myself in life. I'm fairly certain that I'd be happy with a biology degree. But part of me still isn't tame to the idea. And I can't quite put my finger on it.
I don't really have any passions, so I tend to feel dead at irons.
I work at a hippie mart, which is ok. The store's not doin' so well, which is not ok. So, boss lady is being uber bitch. But I make good money for what I do and I can't really lose that at the moment. Beyond the thinking skills that school work gives me, I don't use my education on the job. And, no, just because I work at a health food store does not mean that I eat healthy. Being more aware of what I eat is the lesson learned.
I firmly believe in the power of 'stillness.' Being still has opened doors for me. Yet, I've been avoiding tranquility. Something's bugging me and I don't know what. I want a definite way to bring it out in the open. Spontaneously, preferred.
My core beliefs change from moment to moment:
I love my cat. She was an adult adoption and loving her has taught me patience.
I love my family. Each and every one of them has been an inspirational individual.
I believe in love. I believe that I'm worth something. I believe that everyone is worth something.
I'll see what I believe tomorrow. I believe I'm sorta cynical....
Good idea V. This is a nice way to vent without fear of reprisal.
I believe that a good speaker knows when to stand up, speak up, and shut up.
edited 'Reply to' line and indefinite verb. and to post content that doesn't make me seem like too much of a jackass
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So you never feel nervous? I doubt that....
I didn't say this, I said I'm not made nervous by the idea of the ego. To be nervous at all is for the ego to be nervous, I thought we were discussing the ego being nervous about the ego.
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So you never feel nervous? I doubt that....
I didn't say this, I said I'm not made nervous by the idea of the ego. To be nervous at all is for the ego to be nervous, I thought we were discussing the ego being nervous about the ego.
Yes, you're right, my mistake! 
I guess a better question would be, "Don't you think that it's strange that we even have egos at all? ".
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9780711 - 02/11/09 07:14 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
my lower middle class family tried to encourage me to be Jewish; were unhappy to find me secretly meditating cross-legged at 15.
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2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
hated school - did very well in english and languages and maths and science.
just history mixed me up. (I have trouble with people's names, never knew who they were talking about, or why they bothered, the stories seemed so fake)
mostly english has been of value in daily life, I did learn to precis in grade 11, and that ability to go over a paragraph and remove what is not necessary and combine what is left is still my favorite skill.
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3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
my paycheck job is interesting but if I did not have to earn money I would just paint and sketch.
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4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I am always having rude awakenings to what is happening already.
I became interested in this stuff early. probably from being injured seriously as a youngster and then breaking my leg and having leg perthes disease.
I was fascinated when my brother said that when people see red objects, they do not see the same color, but call it the same color.
that was so wigged out (I was about 10 yrs old)
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I value wisdom and find it in unexpected corners from unexpected people.
this is great 'cause usually i think everyone is dumb like me, but then they come out with greatness.
I don't think other people are oriented to this but i think they would be if left unmolested - it's basic and exciting.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9781000 - 02/11/09 07:56 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been posting more than usual lately, and it might keep happening (you just never know), so I figured I'd just do this now.
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
My family is about as middle class as you can get. I never got everything I wanted, but it wasn't often that I'd get nothing. That sort of thing. My family went to church every Sunday (Episcopalian) until we moved to PA. We went a few times while we were there, and my brother and I had to attend bible school for a little while. I was too young A. for anyone to have really gotten into the actual religion with me and B. to pay attention anyway. I almost got held back in 1st grade because I'd always play with action figures instead of doing my work. As it turns out I wasn't developmentally challenged, I just didn't feel like doing busy work all day. My parents never really talked about philosophy, spirituality, or religion with me though. I'm sure they would have if I had asked, but I didn't (by the time it was something I actually thought about I was already in the habit of keeping everything to myself and figuring things out on my own).
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I never really liked school, but that's mostly because I was one of those "everyone but me is dumb, I hate people" teenagers. I wasn't goth or anything, just disappointed with people. Most of my peers were very immature and disrespectful. And they acted like simple algebra was incomprehensible magic. The subjects sucked too, mostly. I liked some classes, and not others, but I've always been a fan of googling things that interest me. I did and continue to do well in school. The only C I've had was in high advanced Ap calc, and it was because I never took trig, which is kind of important in calculus. The only thing aside from basic math that I've found applicable is what I learned about writing because that's what I'm in college for and it's something I like to do.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
If I could have any job, it would be a toss-up between musician, writer, some kind of visual artist (painting, photography, w/e), someone who grows plants, or the sole night-shift janitor in a large building.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
My philosophy has changed drastically over the years. Rude awakenings are just unpleasant epiphanies. I've realized a lot just by sitting around and daydreaming. I've realized a lot just by sitting around and daydreaming while on drugs. I've realized a lot through rude awakenings as well. Probably the worst was when a girl I was (at least I thought I was, I'm not so sure now) in love with cheated on me, lied about it (a lot), and then she broke up with me over the internet. That wasn't even the end of it, but this post is already too long. Anyway, that particular incident eventually resulted in a near-total overhaul of myself. It pretty much pointed out everything about me that I didn't like, and it taught me a lot about other people and life in general.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I don't know. I don't really have values. I mean, I don't go around robbing people or anything, but it seems to me that nearly, if not actually, 100% of the time values change with context and depend entirely on the person in question. Right and wrong are made up. And "core values" kind of implies some values are more important than others, and I think that's wrong on a number of levels. I just try to be happy, try not to make others unhappy, and when the opportunity presents itself, try to make others happy. If I ever say something that seems arrogant or mean or douchey or whatever, it's probably just my lack of ability to accurately represent the intangibles of communication through the medium that is the internet. I'm never a dick on purpose because it makes me feel like shit.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Poid]
#9781212 - 02/11/09 08:29 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Don't you think that it's strange that we even have egos at all? ".
All concepts of normal and strange are held within my ego, I can't label the device I'm using to label, if you catch my drift.
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"Don't you think that it's strange that we even have egos at all? ".
All concepts of normal and strange are held within my ego, I can't label the device I'm using to label, if you catch my drift.
You're right. 
But if you compare your childhood to yourself now, wouldn't you say your understanding of yourself has drastically changed?
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9781405 - 02/11/09 09:04 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Not so good on the psyche.
2. Did your family have money? Yes
3. Were they religious? No
4. Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you? Not really, mostly politics.
5. How was your educational experience? Not very good public school and now I'm in college as a philosophy major. I participated in competitive policy style debate in high school. In college I participate in the National Parliamentary Debate Association league. I am also doing a model united nations at the united nations for the second time this year.
6. Did you enjoy school? No, except for debate.
7. Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? Interested
8. How much of your education has found application in your daily life? My life has revolved around education since I was a child. Outside of school I kayak and camp in the summer. It helps because I learned a lot in science classes.
9. What career interests you? 1.Guiding rafts for a living but...2.I'll probably end up joining the peace corps after I get my undergraduate degree. After that the military. Then graduate school then a career in who knows what???
10. Are you working in this career now? Yes, hopefully again this summer too.
11. Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? The money is shit, its all about the job when you guide.
12. What work would you do if you did not have to earn money? Instructing beginner kayakers, i do that for pretty much no money.
13. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Yes, I am now pretty much completely atheist.
14. Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? No it was a building process.
15. At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality? As early as I can remember.
16. What are your core values? You control your life in an absurd world.
17. How are these values expressed in your daily life? I am more a product of my society and culture than I am of my personal philosophy.
18. Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority? Similar.
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"Life's a bitch and then you die that's why we get high cuz you never know when you're gonna go." - NAS
"When people don't know what you're about they put you down and shut you out" - Black Sabbath
"An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" - Gandhi
"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
"Don't question my reality." - Me (as far as I know)
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Poid]
#9781476 - 02/11/09 09:18 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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"Don't you think that it's strange that we even have egos at all? ".
All concepts of normal and strange are held within my ego, I can't label the device I'm using to label, if you catch my drift.
You're right.
But if you compare your childhood to yourself now, wouldn't you say your understanding of yourself has drastically changed?
No, for me it's only developed. I'm still a little upset it's taken me seventeen years to start paying attention to myself and the world around me. 
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9786376 - 02/12/09 04:49 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
My upbringing was fair. I had parents that were there for me if and when I ever decided I had to talk to them about something (which I rarely did, and still rarely do). I had a tight-knit group of friends during my first couple years of school, but once they all started moving away I lost contact with them, and have struggled with relationships since.
My parents had money, but not lots of it. We could pay bills, buy groceries, support ourselves and still have a little bit of money for the odd occasion. They mostly saved their money for retirement, paying off credit, etc.
Religion and philosophy/spirituality was never really discussed in my household. From time to time there would be the odd talk about the general situation in the current world, being a good person, getting work done ahead of time, the good ol' stuff. My folks really never knew of my views on anything, life, religion, or philosophy until recently. From the way I always understood it, I was by myself in this hodge-podge, and that thought has seemed to stick with everything I do. I can't do teams, and most of the time I would rather be alone. Go figure.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
My educational experience was hell at the start. In grades 1 and 4 I got picked on severely. Essentially, all the "popular kids", the one group that all dress nice and talk about hockey, commercials, and what-have-you would gang up and chase me around the schoolyard. If they ever managed to catch up to me I was pushed to the ground and kicked in the shins, sides, legs, and arms, until I could scramble away again. I pushed through though, eventually stopped going near those people, and continued being myself.
In grade 5 I started getting interested in skateboarding and BMX. Boarding never lasted; I could ollie but wasn't determined to learn any more tricks, for fear of hurting myself. The BMX stuck though. After a few years I was getting pretty good, I could double-peg and feeble grind most moderate height ledges, could do flatground tailwhips, and flow around parks.. then my bike got jacked.
Around the same time I picked up guitar. This was another major turning point in my life, as music like Blink-182, Gob, rap crap, Limp Bizkit and the like immediately stopped interesting me. It was then that I discovered Grand Funk Railroad (thanks Dad!), Hendrix, the Who, Zeppelin, Floyd, Little Feat, and other great bands.
Come high school I started noticing just how different I was from other people. It was probably this that lead me to my confused mentality and a search of self. Right around this time, or maybe before grade 9, I began finding out new music. It was this amazing new magic, a giant well of music that I had accidentally stumbled upon. Bands like Electric Wizard, Sunn, Earth, the Melvins, and Bongzilla forever changed me (oh, and psychedelics.. but later).
It was those bands that first drove me to smoke weed. It wasn't people, image, or a reason to rebel.. it was just purely to see how I could enjoy music that I love under the influence of cannabis. Let's just say I'm still smokin'.
Now I'm done high school, but I haven't even done anything with my life. I'm slaving myself just to keep my place, feed and clothe myself and buy weed. Doesn't that sound all too familiar?
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I've been thinking of going into the music recording field. It's expensive, but I'd be doing something I really enjoy. I always love hearing new music, and to be the guy who records that music and makes it sound the way it does seems like the dream. If I can't do that I was thinking of taking a baking course in community college, get an apprenticeship, and maybe start my own bakery. Hopefully by that point cannabis will be legal 
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I'm still very young, so philosophy and spirituality haven't been a part of my life that long, maybe 6-7 years, when I was around 15. I've thought about my place in the world, how I can make a difference in either myself or other people, but as far as leading a good life and being the best person one can be.. fuck me. I ain't knowin' that.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
My core values are like most sane people's. The only thing is I seem to keep them to myself. I don't have a problem with others doing what they please, as long as it doesn't interfere with me. I feel distanced from the majority of yesteryear. I feel distanced from my own generation even, but there's a sense of.. unity almost.
I'm extremely tired, forgive me.
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"I suppose my first MDMA experience was an epiphany, as it allowed me to finally accept myself and feel free.
I believe everyone is doing the best that they can. "
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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Hello friends. I'm a truth seeker who wants to learn from you, as I am always seeking the truth. I am in a love affair with life, in and of itself; it is a love that never dies. Life is completely fulfilling, and I will always have everything I've ever wanted. I consider myself a spiritual being, one who sees himself in everyone, and therefore loves everyone. I consider myself a psychonaut, one who has seen beyond himself and learned a great deal from psychedelics. I am here to share with you what I have found on my path to seek the truth.
Some of my hobbies include playing guitar (rhythm, acoustic), singing, and performing. I gain most of my inspiration from The Beatles. I connect with lyrics; I become music. I also practice yoga and I enjoy riding my bike (weather permitting).
I am here to spread my love unconditionally, and I hope you all can learn from me as I seek to learn from you.
I look forward to seeking, spreading, and defining the truth of life with you all.
Other than that, I'm a university student majoring in psychology. Cheers.
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"Don't you think that it's strange that we even have egos at all? ".
All concepts of normal and strange are held within my ego, I can't label the device I'm using to label, if you catch my drift.
You're right.
But if you compare your childhood to yourself now, wouldn't you say your understanding of yourself has drastically changed?
No, for me it's only developed. I'm still a little upset it's taken me seventeen years to start paying attention to myself and the world around me.
only when you get through adolescence can you start to better understand what you are in the world, and only then can you start to pay attention to it
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1. My family is pseudo-religious. They just don't seem to have time for spirituality. And there also is lack of belief. That means: They believe in god and in the words of Jesus and still they don't
I tried to talk to them about spirituality but it only worked a bit.
2. I still am in school and no it's not very useful to me. I don't learn anything that helps me in any way. But I'm fine with that ;D
3. There is no career (anymore) that really interests me. But before my life went through a gigantic change I was very keen on becoming musician.
4. Since I can remember philosophy was a hot topic for me. Well okay, not since I can remember but since I was 9 
It became more and more important over the years and when it almost got unimportant the change came over me. But that's not for now to be told :P
First I didn't face the topic of religion, I was pseudo religious. Then I was atheist. Now I'm trans religious spiritual.
5. Honesty, love, friendship, etc.
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I am a holographic representation of ALL that is, the life force energy of THE universe, ALL life with a conscious of God.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Hubbub]
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I am a jack of all trades, master of none, overseer to the wise, the pilgrim of pride, and the master of my own demise.
That and I attempt to coherently blend nihilism with mysticism in my personal philosophy. 
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: deCypher]
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what does YOU mean? 
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Self, I dont buy it. And you say to yourself, "Self" and Im like. "Yeah Who's?"
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Hubbub]
#9854900 - 02/24/09 08:17 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm the dude.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Icelander]
#9854991 - 02/24/09 08:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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My family was never rich or poor. my mom is religious, my dad is extremely anti religion. my dad kind of discussed philosophy, my mom never really talked about philosophy.
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the only time i liked school was in grade 1 the rest was just boring bullshit. the only class that i truly liked and use today was English.
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careers go through my mind all the time one week i'll be interested in being a an archeologist next week it will be totally different. right now im looking for a job.
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my philosophy and spirituality is in a constant state of change any time i think of something new my philosophy changes. i usually only have epiphanies while on drugs. i first became interested in philosophy when i about 13.
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i dont know what my core values are i never really thought about it. i guess i just do what i want. that would be my core value.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9869463 - 02/26/09 11:57 AM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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1 no my family was not rich father sort of generic proadstin mother southern baptist we went to her church no they didn't talk about it to me
2 I was board out of my gored the whole time at school the math and reading is useful not much else from school is
3 the trades and maintenance would like to work on computers but I don't have the paper to prove any knowledge about them now it's just a job it was a source of pride but not any more
4 I'm a hippy and as such extremely liberal
I always was spiritual because of a feeling that something in my mind was missing as far back as I can remember
when I was told that all I have to do is believe it set off an alarm in my 6year old head such that I was driven out of the Christan church by it
5 my spiritual path demands that I live it from the level of every thought on up to every action in life I try real hard to do it
the state of my path on the web is such that I would rather not say what it is
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9879336 - 02/27/09 05:02 PM (3 years, 3 months ago) |
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Life long Atheist...never believed in fairy tale's.
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the day you were born you were an atheist?
thats EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEME to the max!!!
fuck why am i in this forum...gotta go
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: just me]
#9889584 - 03/01/09 10:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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just me said:
the day you were born you were an atheist?
thats EXTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEME to the max!!!
fuck why am i in this forum...gotta go
Well yes of course. No one would or could believe in good unless you are brainwashed. As I grew up, I saw the natural world...and someone who was not brainwashed could never come up the the whole god delusion by themselves.
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well then God brainwashed me. i rebeled against everything religion, till it found me.
to each their own tho, im not going to tell you youre wrong. please dont tell me i am. when i know FOR ME, that im right
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: just me]
#9890745 - 03/01/09 01:33 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's all good. I really don't care which of the 1000's "the one and only true god" they decide believe in with no evidence. Reality is just to cool for me to make things up.
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1.Raised in northeastern Ohio. Practically poor it seemed. Lived in the outskirts of the ghetto of a small town til I was around 9. Extremely vigorous christian style upbrining ( presbtyrian) I was an acolite......Sunday church.....chrstmas mass....the whole nine yards.........Hate my mom for it honestly.....installed quite a bit f fear and anxiety in me as a person, and made it harder to understand life as it really is.
2.Apparently test scores showed I was a gifted student, but my grades showed I was practically mentally incapable. up until age 9 I couldn't care less about school, and had quite a fit of temper tantrums throughout school being forced to take ritalin daily ( around 80 mg I remember ). at 9 I was put in a class called I.P.E.S.I and I started getting A's. Some weird gifted class ( a different approach to teaching brilliant children with too much energy ), and I loved it........
....However my mother didn't seem to love the police officer of a step father I had, so she left him and moved to a shit whole town with a shit hole education system, and I fell through the grid of popularity contest, and at age 10 was lost to commercialism and ignorance. I continued to suck at grades, and only worry about friends, keeping myself quite in trouble constantly through the move of 5 more schoos through my child hood til at 17 I dropped out.......
( my father is MIA so far in my journey through the physical abyss )
3. My job consists of telemarketing. I sell magazines all day. I make slightly under 15 bucks an hour doing so ( I'm not terrible at talking ). I have ABSOLUTELY no clue what I want in life, however the path I'm on now is a very well thoguht out one, and I will be forgoing school in the fall, and I will find career options suited to my needs.
4. I used to be a god fearing moron. Now I feel though I have transcended the vileness of the world at times into utter chaos and bliss all at once. I have realized the good is as useful as the bad, and they both ensue to ensure a balanced atmosphere. I knwo if one out weighs the other too much you will lose focus on life. I have no clue what came before......or after me......or what will become of me......
5. I feel as a person I can skip ahead in time.....and back in time, without going through the motions. I can do math in my head like a virtual demon.....and I guess I do life the same way.......everything adds up.......and I can always count backwards and get to number one......so I always find reaosn in everything.....and I always understand NO MATTER WHAT......I hate it sometimes......and love it others.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: vandago]
#9898288 - 03/02/09 04:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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20 y/o Caucasian Male.
1) I was born and raised in Illinois and moved to Michigan around the fifth grade. My whole childhood I always wanted to become and "Indian"(Native American). I thought if I were to walk around barefoot outside long enough my feet would harden and that would be the first STEP to becoming an "Indian" (pun intended). Around the time of my birth my family was definitely a lower class but has gradually made it to more of a middle/upper-middle class family. From day one to right around the age of 16 I was a firm Catholic, and was proud of it. I would spend at least four hours a week at the church: Sunday mass, youth group, religious education, hell I even went on some mission trips to help disaster victims.
2) Up through high school I never had to try in school to get good grades, but the last couple of years of high school my interest weaned as well as my grades.
3) I am currently working on getting a bachelor of fine arts degree. I love drawing and painting: conte crayon, pastels, acrylics, graphite, digital painting, spray paint, etc. If I didn't have to earn money I honestly think I would be on the same career path, its what I love to do and hopefully will always have to ability to do so.
4) At the age of 16 I decided that enough was enough and told my mom that I no longer wanted to join the family at church on Sundays. At that point I really thought I had disproved the existence of God with the problem of the existence of evil, now I don't believe that argument really proves much but am glad I was able to start to question what had been for so long pounded into my brain. Ever since then I have been completely intrigued by philosophy and haven't stopped contemplating. I have always been consumed by the thought of death, not in a sad way but more like I'm bewildered by the thought. My first (and so far only) acid trip was amazing. Three blotter tabs and about three hours later I experienced complete ego death and then rebirth with heavy emphasis on the child-like stage. That experience taught me so much about my self and existence that I feel it would be unjust to try to put into words.
5) Above all I seem to value existential ideals. I've been reading a lot of Nietzsche, Sartre, Camus, Heidegger, etc. I love how it is more of an anti-philosophy and preaches the absence of any objective truths. I love the thought of freedom in this sense. I semi consider myself an Atheist, I don't mind if someone has a truly subjective relationship with a god or gods but if someone subscribes with some sort of organized religion and believes they are right, then I have a problem with that person and am horrible at hiding what I think about them. I loved my childhood and make it a day to day goal to never grow up. When I was young I believed that I could do anything, including actually becoming a Native American. Now-a-days I could devote my life to Native American studies or move out west to a reserve and eat peyote but I know full well that I will forever remain a Caucasian American. I now wear moccasins all year round (except for the dead of Michigan winter) just to pretend that I could one day become a Native. In that sense I never will let go of my childhood.
I do feel my views vary significantly from the majority. I want people to realize that even if a god exists there is still no point dedicating anything (time, intellect, or anything else) to it. I want people to realize that we don't need religion to define morals and instead must recognize a deep underlying humanism that I believe we all share.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9904300 - 03/03/09 02:38 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was brought up in a middle-upper class family. In my opinion my parents did a great job raising me. I will admit my mom was quite the giving person and would spoil me a little, but nothing crazy. I was raised as a greek orthodox christian which is similar to being catholic. Both of my parents are religious and I always have been until I was about 16. Around then is when I really started thinking about it. I still remember watching zeitgeist and it convinced me against religion and for about a full week I was athiest. I then showed my parents the video and my dad talked with me after about it, and I'm glad to say he used some pretty convincing info to convince me back to believing. Right now I dont really believe my religion is the only correct one, but their is a god and shrooms only strengthened my view of this. My parents never really discussed philosophy or spirituality with me.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
Since I was a kid I had always loved science and I would read books about volcanoes and such. From about grades 3-8 I was picked on alot and I often hated going to school every day because of it. My parents and close friends provided good support which helped out. Once high school hit maturity was better and I never really got picked on. I always had a very difficult time learning in school until my parents took me to a psychologist my sophomore year and I was diagnosed with ADD. No matter how hard I tried I couldnt pay attention until I had been prescribed concerta. I went from straight Cs to As and didnt need to put in as much effort. Math went from being my worst subject to my best. Now I'm a computer science major at university and love it. I had loved computers since freshman year of high school so it wasnt hard to choose. I really do love learning and read pretty much everything online, but I just hate homework.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
A career in computer science. Im going for my undergrad now, but I plan to go on to a masters, possibly a Phd. This is what I love to do and if I had to do a job for free it would be what I'm studying now.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Yes my philosophy/spirituality has changed a whole lot over the years. I have learned alot from the internet and credit it with most of what I know about the world. If it werent for the internet, I would have never tried pot, let alone psychedelics. I have thought about what life is for as long as I can remember. In fact I'll never forget one night as a child I was laying in bed attempting to sleep, I was probably in 3rd grade, and I called for my mom to come in the room and asked her "why are we here?" and she was pretty much speechless. At that age you look up to your parents thinking they know everything, but now I look back and see that they still have no idea, as we really all have no idea. I think you can begin to understand life through the use of psychedelics. A huge epiphany I had was my first shroom trip, as when I tried it I didn't know anything about it other than you hallucinate. It pretty much smacked me in the face and I wanted to learn more and these forums helped alot. At one point in the trip I felt a very strong connection with something greater and felt "at one" with everything and realized alot of the stuff we talk about on these forums all the time.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I feel that as humans we are incredibly powerful beings, but we have so many faults that I see on a daily basis. I think most people are too egocentric and only concerned about their life that they forget about the bigger picture. Most people go on with life thinking what they can do to be successful, they want to live a fulfilling life so they are happy. Often times as long as that person is happy, they dont care how the happiness came to them. People keep polluting the earth and causing wars for their personal benefit. They dont care that someone else's life is or will be ruined, as long as they are fine now. I ask people on my campus all the time about polluting the environment and most people dont care because "they will be dead". I feel it is this mentality that will eventually lead to the end of humanity. We are willing to kill in war so that one side "wins", when really it is not helping the world as a whole unless both sides benefit. Life beyond earth is bound to exist and people must realize that our life on earth is not everything. We can barely imagine 50 years into the future, let alone 50,000. If life on earth formed billions of years ago, we are still infants of evolution. Maybe a million years from now if humans still exist we will have evolved to be able to comprehend life's mysteries.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9904326 - 03/03/09 02:42 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
As a child, I was brought up by a very strict father, and a passive, lenient mother. Both of my parents were immigrants from Taiwan, so they upheld many traditional Chinese beliefs. They also stressed the importance of hard work, diligence, and education. They believed that the only true path to success was to go to a prestigious university and graduate school in order to enter the workforce as a income-generating machine.
In maintaining the stiff structure within our family, my father became the self-proclaimed totalitarian of the household, enforcing his every wish by fist, belt, bamboo stick, metal rod, wooden spoon, etc. Though my childhood lifestyle was the least bit enjoyable, my family was not poor, but they we were not well off either. My father, graduating from Columbia Business School, held a decent occupation in a government housing firm. Though he never seemed to enjoy himself at work, his mood would worsen at home.
Both of my parents are self-proclaimed baptists. My father also held many Buddhist beliefs as well, since his father was Buddhist. I would often go to church on Sundays as a child, but I never fully took on any Christian ideals.
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2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
In elementary school, I was always top of the class; always. There was no test I did not score the highest on. My parents would occasionally take me to educational institutions to take intelligence and comprehension tests, such as a Johns Hopkins-based educational facility in LA. I would always score high on these tests, showing my scholastic potential; I never enjoyed it. Even though I showed academic inclination, I often strayed towards the loftier ideals of childhood life; I would frolic in the playground with friends and observe the bugs around the fields.
But because my parents were so ardent on my academic success, I no longer felt like I was doing it for myself. Slowly, semester by semester, I would lose focus and determination. And by high school, I no longer had motivation, and I had the grades to show it, graduating with a 1.9 GPA. But Junior year was the peak of my adolescent rebellion. I was arrested on my 16th birthday and was sent to Los Padrinos Juvenile Hall. I was convicted for felony arson, burglary, and vandalism. Consequently, I was expelled from my high school, and was forced to find academic solace at a nearby continuation school for rejects or delinquents. By that time, I was on house arrest and probation, and had no intention of going back to LP. So I focused on my studies, which consisted of bullshit essays and playing Oregon Trail in the computer lab. Luckily, I did well and my old high school allowed me to reenter and graduate from there.
But I didn't want to stop there; I had dreams of going to college and living my life. So I applied to all the University of California campuses, and even though the minimum gpa for acceptance was a 3.0, I still got in to both the Santa Barabara and Riverside campuses, solely due to my seemingly exceptional SAT and SAT subject scores; 2100 on the reasoning, 780 on the biology subject test, and 800 on the mathIIc subject test.
I chose to go to UC Riverside because they gave me a decent amount of grant money and financial aid. There, I academically flourished. I still got terrible grades, my Freshman gpa was 0.0368, but my mind and conscious expanded beyond reason. I was open to any and all new things; I had the hunger for more and the thirst to learn.
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3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I have yet to have a legitimate job, though I did work in a Chinese factory under-the-table. But since preschool, I have always wanted to be a doctor of some sort. I first wanted to be a neurologist, but later I realized the excitement and accomplishment of being a research doctor. Now, I am working hard as a Medical Biological Sciences major in hopes of getting into a good medical school. Although I don't work, I receive a monthly check from the U.S. Navy of around $4,225 to pay for my housing, food, and school supplies. They are also paying for my tuition, and will be paying for my medical school. The downside is I have to do 3 years of active duty after I graduate from medical school.
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4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I always held a relatively uniform philosophy on life: Do what you want because you only live once. But after being incarcerated, I realized the importance of self-fulfillment. I also realized that in order to do what I truly want to do in life, I would have to excell in school beyond belief.
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I find virtue in life, but not exactly humanistic life. I see the importance of biological equilibrium within our world and how every living organism is a major component to the complete infrastructure. Humans are no different, but we like to think differently. We like to believe that just because we have a conscious, we have some sort of divine right and purpose on this Earth. Though we do have an ecological purpose here on Earth, which is to maintain it, our right to live here is no more righteous than any other sentient being's right to live here. But so far, the human race in the larger spectrum has just been a cancer to this Earth. We barely do anything to change that, yet we have the intellectual potential to.... Grasping that mentally has always been a difficult task for me.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#9904662 - 03/03/09 03:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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1) I was brought up Christian fundamentalist. My dad sure gave me the impression that he resented and disliked me. My mom was depressed and emotionally unavailable and scared. They were lower middle class and rarely even talked to me.
2) I had severe anxiety in school I was friendless and scared and hardly remember anything.
3) I'm retired now but my favorite jobs were as a Martial arts instructor and a dog trainer. I worked in the Natural Foods industry the longest. (20 years). If I could do anything I think I would write articles for sporting mags on fishing/hiking and dog training.
4) Unfortunately I have lost my faith in the human experiment. I think mostly we are insane and dysfunctional. I used to believe that we might someday work it out and become one tribe but I have totally lost hope. I'm waiting for them to pollute the last fish and tear down the last tree and kill the last enemy. Fuck I'm so sorry to be saying this.
5) My core value is loving kindness believe it or not. I'm just no good at it. I really am heartbroken about all the emotional and physical suffering in the world. I also believe that we should take much better care of this beautiful earth and the animals that are trying to share it with us. I guess the only way I express these values anymore is to go into the back country and just take it in and love it. And say my goodbyes. I also consume very little and live on, voluntarily, what most people think they would starve on. I have a car but maybe put a thousand or two miles a year going camping. I almost never drive it in town. I ride my bike or walk and really love that. I feel my values are really out of line with most of the human race. I feel almost totally out of touch with my fellow humans.
Now wasn't that a cherie bit of work. I guess I just had to get it out.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Icelander]
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4) Unfortunately I have lost my faith in the human experiment. I think mostly we are insane and dysfunctional. I used to believe that we might someday work it out and become one tribe but I have totally lost hope. I'm waiting for them to pollute the last fish and tear down the last tree and kill the last enemy. Fuck I'm so sorry to be saying this.
5) My core value is loving kindness believe it or not. I'm just no good at it. I really am heartbroken about all the emotional and physical suffering in the world. I also believe that we should take much better care of this beautiful earth and the animals that are trying to share it with us. I guess the only way I express these values anymore is to go into the back country and just take it in and love it. And say my goodbyes. I also consume very little and live on, voluntarily, what most people think they would starve on. I have a car but maybe put a thousand or two miles a year going camping. I almost never drive it in town. I ride my bike or walk and really love that. I feel my values are really out of line with most of the human race. I feel almost totally out of touch with my fellow humans.
Shit its depressing to hear people say this sort of stuff. However, I don't think you should feel the need to apologise, its not your fault. However, you don't seem out of touch, expressing you values is something a lot of people are hypocrites in practice.
You're just another type of human. So no apology needed, not to other humans anyway. If you truely believe that the road ahead for humanity is fucked, then you might as well take in what is good and great now while its still here - which sounds just like what you are doing.
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I do what I can.
I apologized?
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Icelander]
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I apologized?
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Fuck I'm so sorry to be saying this.
Don't be. The world would be even worse if people didn't speak out.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: just me]
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Childhood: Not so good. Abandoned and reclaimed later. Abused emotionally, etc. Father died when I was nine and we were left almost destitute.
I loved school except for when I was expelled for something that I didn't do and was later exonerated for. I was one of three people of that class to get a B.S. and the only one to go beyond that in education. I totally enjoyed everything beyond the B.S. Of eight female cousins, I was the one of only two to complete high school and the only one to get further education.
I became a university teacher of my field, including working within that field. I loved it and had the ideal profession! I miss the students very much!!
As for spirit and religion: that has changed over time. Through high school, I was active in an Episcopalian-Methodist church. In college, I joined the Episcopalian church and prayed all the time. Throughout that time, I was exploring other religions. In my thirties, I became a theosophist and am not what is described as New Age.
My values are for Mother Earth and survival of "good" and people on earth. I highly value kindness, friendliness, helping, and compassion.
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Welcome. Sounds like you've had the all american childhood. Sorry about that.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Magnus Maximus
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I AM HIM WHO IS CALLED I AM!
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Icelander
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Nice try, you are called Magnus Maximus. Just what we need here, more delusions of grandeur.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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littlebirdie
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10037799 - 03/25/09 08:58 AM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi, everyone! I'm new to this portion of the Shroomery, and have been enjoying reading the discourse. I'm on the quiet side, so I'm not sure how often I'll jump in, but wanted to add my particulars to this great thread.
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I am the daughter of a man and woman who met in Kentucky. My dad was stationed at Fort Knox, a devout Catholic. My mom was a Native American, Cherokee, woman who didn't know her own father and who was raised by her Grandmother. The marriage lasted, but they both died much too young.
I attended Catholic church nearly every day of my life until I left home at 16. That was so many years ago. I haven't attended church since. I didn't want a decaying group of old men deciding my fate.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I have a masters degree in physics. I loved school. I still love school, and am currently taking fourth year Spanish. Hope to be fluent within the next couple of years. I worked in physics for some years, but now am a writer as well as a professional in the area of arts and culture. I love my job and every once in a while find myself doing partial differentials just to keep on top of skills I most likely will never use again.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I love my job. I work for two non-profit organizations and feel my work is fulfilling, meaningful, and a help to my community. I am also a writer with two published novels and another "on the way." If I didn't have to earn money I will do exactly what I am doing now. I was doing this job without pay for several years, when I was offered an official paying position.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
When I left home, I left the Catholic church. I had no small measure of guilt making that decision, but over the decades the guilt has dissipated. I consider myself spiritually oriented. I enjoy spending time in introspection, wondering what might be out there, wondering what the meaning - if any - of our existence is. I feel that I have been this kind of a wanderer my entire life. I can't imagine stopping the exploration.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I believe in the power of honesty and compassion. I don't feel this is at odds or different from any other human.
Thanks for posting this survey.
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Magnus Maximus
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Icelander said:
Nice try, you are called Magnus Maximus. Just what we need here, more delusions of grandeur.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the ying and the yang, an avatar of God.
Edited by Magnus Maximus (03/25/09 07:37 PM)
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Icelander
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But I am the Icelander.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Huehuecoyotl
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10068469 - 03/29/09 04:49 PM (3 years, 2 months ago) |
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No one of consequence.
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Maybe there is no Heaven. Maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whiskey, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested...
--HST
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OrgoneConclusion
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I am even more humble than Hue.
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Icelander
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Huehuecoyotl said:
No one of consequence.
He's so humble you can see ego written all over it.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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PsyAlien
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10151309 - 04/12/09 09:30 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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this thread is very arrogant>
i mean... to tell a story about your life, only gives to the ego of someone else haughtily to rise above someone else!
it's like... if x had a bad life and he talking about it, then y is mercifully hearing his story and thinking... oohh thank god i don't have this shit in my life, and z looks at the compassion of y and think... ohh look at this merciful fuck face... he think he better then x because x had a sorry ass lowlife suffering life.
this is ego speaking... i think i'm better then you all, by humiliate, by showing my glory, by rising above all, by hearing others lowlife story, by telling my glory, compassion to others, kind, how i help the weeks and poor and lowlife people, i'm best of the best there is no better then me!
arrogance--arrogance--arrogance--arrogance--arrogance--arrogance blah blah blah...
to the question of this thread> Who Are You? > nothing! empty space!
God is the most humble, modest, meek, lowly and like a human he is nothing an empty space.
but people don't agree with it because they don't want to be nothing they want to be something, we can rise above others, our self and even above God!!!
WE ALL A BIG NOTHING!!!!!!
Edited by PsyAlien (04/12/09 10:56 AM)
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Icelander
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I vote for this as the dumbest post I have seen in six months. Talk about an ego trip.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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PsyAlien
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why dumb?
you think you are something?
and if you do.. what exactly you represent?
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spyder
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He is death anxiety embodied.
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PsyAlien
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: spyder]
#10160039 - 04/13/09 05:40 PM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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and what you represent?
his lawyer?
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spyder
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I am a concerned citizen.
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Icelander
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Quote:
PsyAlien said:
why dumb?
you think you are something?
and if you do.. what exactly you represent?
I represent the guy who thinks your opinions are self-centered crap.
Who cares about you?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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PsyAlien
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Quote:
Icelander said:
Quote:
PsyAlien said:
why dumb?
you think you are something?
and if you do.. what exactly you represent?
I represent the guy who thinks your opinions are self-centered crap.
Who cares about you?
why you asking?
you want to take care of me?
it seems like you represent the guy who care about society,
that's exactly what i'm talking about, arrogance.
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Icelander
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That's nice.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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mr.bixby
Routine waxes cold
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Hmmmmm.....
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PsyAlien
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Quote:
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That's nice.
it is not nice it's insulting.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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mr.bixby
Routine waxes cold
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I'm still wondering if I can put Icelander into the Decypher catorgory....?
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MushroomTrip
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Quote:
PsyAlien said:
why you asking?
you want to take care of me?
it seems like you represent the guy who care about society,
that's exactly what i'm talking about, arrogance.
There's a wonderful thing called grammar, you should check it out some times.
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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PsyAlien
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Quote:
MushroomTrip said:
Quote:
PsyAlien said:
why you asking?
you want to take care of me?
it seems like you represent the guy who care about society,
that's exactly what i'm talking about, arrogance.
There's a wonderful thing called grammar, you should check it out some times.
excuse me man but i'm not very good in that.
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mr.bixby
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"I say potayto, and I say potayto
You say tomayto, and I say tomayto
Potayto, potayto
Tomayto, tomayto
Let's call the whole thing off.
But, oh, if we call the whole thing off, and we must part
And, oh, if we ever part
Then that might brak my heart.
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flangenips
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argh musical planets aligned.. almost
Listening to dream a little dream (louis and ella) when i saw that. though could've been spot on half an hour ago 
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Just hanging out . new to the forum, Canada here. !
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PsyAlien
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Quote:
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"I say potayto, and I say potayto
You say tomayto, and I say tomayto
Potayto, potayto
Tomayto, tomayto
Let's call the whole thing off.
But, oh, if we call the whole thing off, and we must part
And, oh, if we ever part
Then that might brak my heart.
tell that to Icelander he cares about it.
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Icelander
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When did I say anything about your grammar?
Don't you even have a clue who you are posting to?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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zen buddy
not a buddhist
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Quote:
Icelander said:
Quote:
PsyAlien said:
why dumb?
you think you are something?
and if you do.. what exactly you represent?
I represent the guy who thinks your opinions are self-centered crap.
Who cares about you?
I didn't know that opinions could have a self! 
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zen buddy
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HydroCan said:
Just hanging out . new to the forum, Canada here. !
Welcome.
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Icelander
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What happened to your ratings? I removed mine.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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zen buddy
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A question for a PM maybe?
What about the opinion with a self?
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Icelander
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Not sure what you mean?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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zen buddy
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An opinion cannot be self-centered because opinions do not have a self.
I'm not going to insult anyone here by posting the dictionary definition of 'self' as I'm sure we are all able to use the Internet!
Only a person can be self-centered.
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Icelander
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Oh that? who cares?
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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PsyAlien
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When did I say anything about your grammar?
Don't you even have a clue who you are posting to?
daa
because his heart break..
that's why he should post that post to you and not to me.
you care about society aren't you???
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zen buddy
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Quote:
Icelander said:
Oh that? who cares?
I should've guessed!
People who wish to communicate effectively usually care about the words that they use.
I thought that was what language was all about, maybe I'm wrong.
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Icelander
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If you knew me at all here you would laugh at your statement.
I knew, for one, that the brother-killer had put on the Shaper's idea of the hero like a mask, had seen it torn away, and was now reduced to what he was: a thinking animal stripped naked of former illusions, stubbornly living on, ashamed and meaningless, because killing himself would be, like his life, unheroic.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Icelander
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Quote:
zen buddy said:
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Icelander said:
Oh that? who cares?
I should've guessed!
People who wish to communicate effectively usually care about the words that they use.
I thought that was what language was all about, maybe I'm wrong.
Well at least you admit it.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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PsyAlien
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Quote:
Icelander said:
I knew, for one, that the brother-killer had put on the Shaper's idea of the hero like a mask, had seen it torn away, and was now reduced to what he was: a thinking animal stripped naked of former illusions, stubbornly living on, ashamed and meaningless, because killing himself would be, like his life, unheroic.
what ta fuck is that mean?
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Icelander
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you have no idea
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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zen buddy
not a buddhist
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Quote:
Icelander said:
you have no idea
Do you?
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Icelander
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yes
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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zen buddy
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Quote:
Icelander said:
yes
Is that why your post does not include an explanation in your own words?
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Icelander
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If you knew me at all here you would laugh at your statement.
This was my explanation and allowed him do do a search of my posts to find out the answer for himself. The rest was for fun.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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zen buddy
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When is that guy in your sig gonna pull his head out of the sand?
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MushroomTrip
Dr. Teasy Thighs
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When other morons will stop being butt-hurts.
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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zen buddy
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When other morons will stop being butt-hurts.
Wow, to imagine that anybody could get their feelings hurt because of a debate in P&S is kinda weird.
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Icelander
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Actually "choose to have their feelings hurt" would be the correct way to put it IMO.
We all get upset from time to time. That's human, some more than others. Depending on your state of "enlightenment".
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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I'm not a first time poster, but I haven't formally introduced myself. So, I'll begin by saying I'm 34, went to a small private liberal arts college where I majored in Psychology and minored in Art and Music.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10188530 - 04/18/09 06:42 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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life and death are illusions. i live here but it's not my home. i am desire working itself out
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b0red5tiff
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: sleepy]
#10188645 - 04/18/09 07:38 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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relax, i'm here
my name is jack burton but some of you know me as b0red5tiff
i'm pretty cool and beautiful and well versed in irony & sarcasm & the mystical arts (getting a woman to like you).
my family has never been religious or interested in anything spiritual or philosophic. they are materialists and i got into mysticism or whatever by myself.
i hated school, got into the university, dropped out after a few months because i wanted to live without it. i believe in natural intelligence, meaning some people are born with the ability to learn no matter what they do & where they do it. i'm a writer and i like to learn about the world on my own terms.
careers don't interest me, i just wanna do what i do well. i'd like to do whatever i like and enjoy it. of course it would be cool if it brought in some money.
my interest towards P&S roughly went like this: people seemed to follow some behavioural patterns they didn't notice so even as a kid i saw how people bend to the will of others and are easy to manipulate without them even knowing it. that lead me to look up witchcraft, because i thought power like that HAS TO BE hidden and mysterious. then i went to general psychology, then i discovered laveyan satanism which unites pop culture mythology with basic psychology. i quickly took what i wanted from it and found it lacking. somehow i stumbled unto discordianism/chaos magick (probably through crowley, unto whom i tripped while reading up on satanism). that really blew my mind and gave me a lot to think about and practice.
in the end i've kind of taken something from everything and made up my own metasystem that is like water: no matter what shape i may take it fills me up perfectly. it has no value in itself or without me and it can be cast away like worthless piece of trash if i wanna.
my core values are awesomeness and powers of providing egoless self-descriptions! actually i don't think i have any core values, why should i?
anyway i am SUPER SPECIAL
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relax, i'm here
my name is jack burton but some of you know me as b0red5tiff
i'm pretty cool and beautiful and well versed in irony & sarcasm & the mystical arts (getting a woman to like you).
my family has never been religious or interested in anything spiritual or philosophic. they are materialists and i got into mysticism or whatever by myself.
i hated school, got into the university, dropped out after a few months because i wanted to live without it. i believe in natural intelligence, meaning some people are born with the ability to learn no matter what they do & where they do it. i'm a writer and i like to learn about the world on my own terms.
careers don't interest me, i just wanna do what i do well. i'd like to do whatever i like and enjoy it. of course it would be cool if it brought in some money.
my interest towards P&S roughly went like this: people seemed to follow some behavioural patterns they didn't notice so even as a kid i saw how people bend to the will of others and are easy to manipulate without them even knowing it. that lead me to look up witchcraft, because i thought power like that HAS TO BE hidden and mysterious. then i went to general psychology, then i discovered laveyan satanism which unites pop culture mythology with basic psychology. i quickly took what i wanted from it and found it lacking. somehow i stumbled unto discordianism/chaos magick (probably through crowley, unto whom i tripped while reading up on satanism). that really blew my mind and gave me a lot to think about and practice.
in the end i've kind of taken something from everything and made up my own metasystem that is like water: no matter what shape i may take it fills me up perfectly. it has no value in itself or without me and it can be cast away like worthless piece of trash if i wanna.
my core values are awesomeness and powers of providing egoless self-descriptions! actually i don't think i have any core values, why should i?
anyway i am SUPER SPECIAL
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relax, i'm here
my name is jack burton but some of you know me as b0red5tiff
i'm pretty cool and beautiful and well versed in irony & sarcasm & the mystical arts (getting a woman to like you).
my family has never been religious or interested in anything spiritual or philosophic. they are materialists and i got into mysticism or whatever by myself.
i hated school, got into the university, dropped out after a few months because i wanted to live without it. i believe in natural intelligence, meaning some people are born with the ability to learn no matter what they do & where they do it. i'm a writer and i like to learn about the world on my own terms.
careers don't interest me, i just wanna do what i do well. i'd like to do whatever i like and enjoy it. of course it would be cool if it brought in some money.
my interest towards P&S roughly went like this: people seemed to follow some behavioural patterns they didn't notice so even as a kid i saw how people bend to the will of others and are easy to manipulate without them even knowing it. that lead me to look up witchcraft, because i thought power like that HAS TO BE hidden and mysterious. then i went to general psychology, then i discovered laveyan satanism which unites pop culture mythology with basic psychology. i quickly took what i wanted from it and found it lacking. somehow i stumbled unto discordianism/chaos magick (probably through crowley, unto whom i tripped while reading up on satanism). that really blew my mind and gave me a lot to think about and practice.
in the end i've kind of taken something from everything and made up my own metasystem that is like water: no matter what shape i may take it fills me up perfectly. it has no value in itself or without me and it can be cast away like worthless piece of trash if i wanna.
my core values are awesomeness and powers of providing egoless self-descriptions! actually i don't think i have any core values, why should i?
anyway i am SUPER SPECIAL
fucking double and triple posts. Get it together Shoomery.
Dude, that's great! I have been watching you. I like what I see and I love your posts. At the end of the world look me up I've got a job for you.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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There's been some controversy here regarding the use of personalisms during debates/discussions. I agree that they tend to disrupt/degenerate the discussion into a mudslinging match, yet I also agree with the point that our philosophy is based in WHO we are.
The Political forum has a stickied thread which asks posters to describe their background & perspective, and it garners many interesting responses. In the interest of both the need for civilized discussion AND an appreciation for the roots of one's philosophical/spiritual perspective, I'd like to create a similar thread.
You are free to frame your response in any format which makes sense to you, but if you are stumped, here are some questions to answer:
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I'll post my own "profile" in a bit.
I decline to answer any questions regarding my personal life. To do so on a message board like this is silly. I thought that about Redstorm's thread as well. I don't need to explain who I am in order to be civil nor do I need it for others to be civil toward me. Nevertheless, while I disagree philosophically with this idea, I think it's intention was well meant.
Besides, collecting information on your enemies is fun. Who knows when you'll need it.
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Besides, collecting information on your enemies is fun. Who knows when you'll need it.
Spoken like a true Christian.
You know we have a file on you as long as your leg.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Besides, collecting information on your enemies is fun. Who knows when you'll need it.
Spoken like a true Christian.
You know we have a file on you as long as your leg.
1) You have nothing "on me."
2) If you have evidence I am a Christian, produce it.
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There's been some controversy here regarding the use of personalisms during debates/discussions. I agree that they tend to disrupt/degenerate the discussion into a mudslinging match, yet I also agree with the point that our philosophy is based in WHO we are.
The Political forum has a stickied thread which asks posters to describe their background & perspective, and it garners many interesting responses. In the interest of both the need for civilized discussion AND an appreciation for the roots of one's philosophical/spiritual perspective, I'd like to create a similar thread.
You are free to frame your response in any format which makes sense to you, but if you are stumped, here are some questions to answer:
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I'll post my own "profile" in a bit.
I decline to answer any questions regarding my personal life. To do so on a message board like this is silly. I thought that about Redstorm's thread as well. I don't need to explain who I am in order to be civil nor do I need it for others to be civil toward me. Nevertheless, while I disagree philosophically with this idea, I think it's intention was well meant.
Besides, collecting information on your enemies is fun. Who knows when you'll need it.
shiit... i'm so so naive.
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Nobody's forcing you. Go away.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Besides, collecting information on your enemies is fun. Who knows when you'll need it.
Spoken like a true Christian.
You know we have a file on you as long as your leg.
1) You have nothing "on me."
2) If you have evidence I am a Christian, produce it.
Learn to read, I said spoken "like" a true christian.
And learn to take a joke.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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An opinion cannot be self-centered because opinions do not have a self.
I'm not going to insult anyone here by posting the dictionary definition of 'self' as I'm sure we are all able to use the Internet!
Only a person can be self-centered.
our opinions can have elements of self-centeredness. they would be based more on ourselves and our own personal interests and belief systems instead of considering the interests of others and what they get out of this forum.
you fail to understand where he is coming from.
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this thread is very arrogant>
i mean... to tell a story about your life, only gives to the ego of someone else haughtily to rise above someone else!
it's like... if x had a bad life and he talking about it, then y is mercifully hearing his story and thinking... oohh thank god i don't have this shit in my life, and z looks at the compassion of y and think... ohh look at this merciful fuck face... he think he better then x because x had a sorry ass lowlife suffering life.
this is ego speaking... i think i'm better then you all, by humiliate, by showing my glory, by rising above all, by hearing others lowlife story, by telling my glory, compassion to others, kind, how i help the weeks and poor and lowlife people, i'm best of the best there is no better then me!
arrogance--arrogance--arrogance--arrogance--arrogance--arrogance blah blah blah...
to the question of this thread> Who Are You? > nothing! empty space!
God is the most humble, modest, meek, lowly and like a human he is nothing an empty space.
but people don't agree with it because they don't want to be nothing they want to be something, we can rise above others, our self and even above God!!!
WE ALL A BIG NOTHING!!!!!!
see, some of us are friends here and we like to know about one another, because that is an aspect of friendship. our lifestyles, backgrounds, and beliefs are interesting to some here, especially those whom are close friends, or enemies. if you've ever had a close friendship you would know. the only way to become close is to know.
i have enjoyed reading this thread, especially the threads with the posters i am most engrossed by. does that make me arrogant? perhaps, but it makes me more of a lover.
 Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see. 
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: sleepy]
#10205517 - 04/21/09 03:57 AM (3 years, 1 month ago) |
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Who iam...
People say im quiet some think im outgoing...
Really do you have to be one sort of you at a time? geez dont judge so fucking fast you douche groupie freeloaders. Buy your own posion and you wouldnt need to worry about how the provider feels...
Im actually very mellow and I hate idle chit chat so yes some times im very quiet...Why would I need to say something if it didnt call for it every minute? I mean shit if I wanna sit back and think to myself starring into space far from everyone here on earth for a good 40 min with a 40 in my lap and a full blunt being passed every 10min for the next 30min then fuck you I will and if I come out strong over your stupid remarks on how I feel think about it after you ask me for the 40th time a-otta. Shit that bothers me when close friends judge you when your drunk and not sober is retarded...drunk im very spontaneous and shit ill do cartwheels in wheelchairs then jump at you 3 feet in the air laughing. Ill blackout 3 hours before I actually stop moving and talking to you. By that I mean I will ride a motorized skooter 40mph perfectly in traffic without even remembering it or have full on conversations that come out clear no slur without even knowing it. Then 3 hours later finally realise unconsciously that im not really present and stumble on a coffe table nearly driving a nail into my arm and put to bed in a girl friends bed with no idea how I woke up there and suddenly have the runny shits end up going in a plastic bag outside my sisters locked apt. rlly hoping our mother was up...
Normaly im mellow dont really start talk but will definently lead one if started.
I was a very hyper kid in my youth was given codeine cough syrup by my mother most nights. I often blurted out odd thing most kids wouldnt dream of saying without a odd look or cold glare. I often went overboard in fitting in with any crowd in last years of my elementary education. I got into alot of trouble but rarely I was smart enough to ditch and comeback b4 class started again I didnt care either way because my friend thought it cool of me and he actually looked up to me in that respect which years later I regret. I broke windows and other troublemaking things in my late elementary ed. and early middle ed. but during the middle ed after switching from 4 schools already from old friends to new to old. After a year in mid school I became more of a loner not because others disliked me no I had many many friends from over the years its just I didnt like socialising because it made me feel uneasy in my later years because I felt socialising was more of a job then a fun pass time. I made friends with more of the odd kids who didnt have many friends and that was most comfortable. They were mostly teased often and others assholes would use me as a better rolemodel towards them by saying how I keep up with styles with well kept hair that looked like it took a whole 15min to do. They didnt usually even fix theyre hair some of them were very poor and my best friend came from a richer area to visit his dad who was getting out of jail soon. He lived in the downtown bulldog projects with the spicks and drug dealing koreans. I remember when visiting we got weed from this one asian who I thought was a herm because she looked pale with male features but had the slender body of a girl along with the feminine voice that had a strong accent when pronouncing words as "axe" instead of "ask" or "yeeeAH maing". That was sortve funny comming out of her mouth...odd thing is I really felt sexually attracted to her after finding out she was a girl which wasnt too hard lol. She brought huge bamboo pipes and bongs to us which were nice decorations.
I never enjoyed life too much because everything felt wrong or regretable. I started feeling like that when middle school maturing was a competetion. Ugh I remember my terrible acne too lol damn it sucked going into the gym locker room since the lighting was very floraescent on my red pimples and white skin. I never liked sports except soccer and football...lol ok so I did but wasnt a huge fan. I despised b-ball hated it so much. I played soccer in elementary and football in middle school. Niggers always had racial remarks towards me for being white so I think nigger suites my idealogy of those african americans who acts like racial garbage and expect unequal rights over those white people they discriminate against openly. Though...that nigger was my friend for 5 years but I never liked him and to show im not entirely backwards most of my friends werent white since whites are minority in Fresno, CA. I grew up with nothing but hispanic, black, and of course some whites. I consider myself to be a little bit of hispanic upbringing but technically white.
My life at home from age 5 was always hell at some point. Violent remarks towards both parents most nights leading into a call from a rat-bastard neighbor who knew a some powerful people in law. His name was Chet and he made sure there was trouble to those in the area that didnt agree 80% of what he did. Luckily my dad was a strong person he was in his late 30's when he had me just got clean from crank and dealing crank. My mom smoked during pregnancy and mightve done a drugs mostly weed I feel she did some drinking and meth cus she's the need her drugs type or she wont function right.
Had to deal with 5 break ups 2 step mothers and the stress put on me to go with my dad since my mom commited suicide but lived. I actually loved my mom more because she was fun my dad worked all day did vicodin for pain and crashed for 3 hours after comming home and woke up to either visit us or argue with my mother or us. I love him though hes the type I can count on no matter what. He doesnt say much when it comes to expressing feelings but he shows them when it counts.
After the attempt at suicide my life turned around my mom was now the enemy. She was hospitalized for 4 weeks. She changed drasticaly from a caring mother to a have sex in open knowing we were over but out at a friends possibly returning at any moment....
I stopped to grab my 40 baggy and a 15mg morphine tab from my connect.
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On that note fart in public and grin.
Hail Shroomery!
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see, some of us are friends here and we like to know about one another, because that is an aspect of friendship. our lifestyles, backgrounds, and beliefs are interesting to some here, especially those whom are close friends, or enemies. if you've ever had a close friendship you would know. the only way to become close is to know.
i have enjoyed reading this thread, especially the threads with the posters i am most engrossed by. does that make me arrogant? perhaps, but it makes me more of a lover.
if you interested in other people it's becouse you not interesting your self by your self
and it's not possible to know human and your self becouse.. like living organism we can be changed either we want or not sometimes we change and we not aware of it, and same as life or even as God, we are unpredictable, one day we kiss and love each other and other day we want to fuck and kill each other, so like i said we are an empty space.
it's always like this, people who are arrogant it's becouse they feel good, free and comfort, but if to put them in sorrow and pain, they will be humble and lowly.
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if you interested in other people it's becouse you not interesting your self by your self
you think this is true for the whole of humanity?
man what an assumption!
your definition of arrogance also seems to stem from your own personal opinions and belief system more so than that of what the word actually means. this makes your logic a bit skewed.
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it's always like this, people who are arrogant it's becouse they feel good, free and comfort, but if to put them in sorrow and pain, they will be humble and lowly.
how are we supposed to work with this?
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if you interested in other people it's becouse you not interesting your self by your self
you think this is true for the whole of humanity?
man what an assumption!
your definition of arrogance also seems to stem from your own personal opinions and belief system more so than that of what the word actually means. this makes your logic a bit skewed.
i think what true about me it's true about others and what true about others it's true about me, we all humans you know.
it's like if i shit a brown shit i don't have to look others shit you know, becouse their shit also brown, and if someone have a green shit, so i can do it too you know.
but what is true, how you define what true?
if your government lie to you and you believe it, it become to be true,
but if someone tell you some truth and you don't believe it, then it is lie.
lies are true and truth lie!
of course it's my opinion and what you said it's not your opinion.
so what is your point?
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it's always like this, people who are arrogant it's becouse they feel good, free and comfort, but if to put them in sorrow and pain, they will be humble and lowly.
how are we supposed to work with this?
don't work with this live with this.
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of course it's my opinion and what you said it's not your opinion.
so what is your point?
yes it's my opinion but the difference between mine and yours is that you are basing your opinions more so around definitions you create in your head.
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this thread is very arrogant>
according to the definition of arrogance, this thread isn't very arrogant. we're just giving our life stories. sure some may be arrogant about it but it doesn't make everyone else here arrogant nor the thread arrogant.
ar⋅ro⋅gance
/ˈærəgəns/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [ar-uh-guhns] Show IPA
–noun
offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride.
i just disagree with your general view on all of this. there is some truth in it, but it's mostly biased IMO.
shit, i am arrogant, i can admit that. but to call this whole thread very arrogant is biased.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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Who are you?
I don't know.
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of course it's my opinion and what you said it's not your opinion.
so what is your point?
yes it's my opinion but the difference between mine and yours is that you are basing your opinions more so around definitions you create in your head.
you stated this -
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this thread is very arrogant>
according to the definition of arrogance, this thread isn't very arrogant. we're just giving our life stories. sure some may be arrogant about it but it doesn't make everyone else here arrogant nor the thread arrogant.
i just disagree with your general view on all of this. there is some truth in it, but it's mostly biased IMO.
shit, i am arrogant, i can admit that. but to call this whole thread very arrogant is biased.
and your opinions not created in your head?
what... your posts being quoted from books or what?
you disagree and there is some truth? you disagree with the truth...?
of course it's biased.. i mean look at the title of this thread
Who Are You?[/b] first think that came up in the head is... hey.. whata fuck... there is people who want to cut my body and investigate my organs? whata fuck.....
a patient come to a doctor and said.. doctor doctor my ass is hurt,
doctor looks and said... well i know what is the problem, you have a huge carrot sticking in your ass. patient said... can you help me? doctor said yes of course i can help you i'm a doctor i always help people. doctor pull out the carrot from his ass and the patient go home free and happy.
then he think about the all thing and say... white arrogant fucking shit, he think if he can role his ayes at the places where the sun don't shine and my face won't smile it makes him better then me? then he thought about it again and said... yes
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Let's please keep the conversation in this thread on-topic. If you have an opinion on why asking the question "Who Are You?" is arrogant, you're by all means welcome to create your own thread on the topic. This thread is for telling us a little bit about yourself if you want to; if you don't want to then don't post.
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and your opinions not created in your head?
what... your posts being quoted from books or what?
of course my opinions are created in my head. you say this thread is very arrogant, which is a biased statement and revolves around your self-interests. it is no objective fact that this thread is arrogant, it is your opinion.
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who are you? am i the me at my worst? or at my best? or all in between? and if so where does my desire to get rid of the worst fit in? who am i? i am not even sure? ask someone else and they would know me better than i know myself...
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and your opinions not created in your head?
what... your posts being quoted from books or what?
of course my opinions are created in my head. you say this thread is very arrogant, which is a biased statement and revolves around your self-interests. it is no objective fact that this thread is arrogant, it is your opinion.
yes my opinion is a biased statement and yes they revolve around my self interests
i don't say you wrong you just don't want to admit that all our opinions comes from our self interests
and if you say that your opinions don't come from self interests then... you will be hypocrite!
what is objective fact? if you look at the clouds and you say.. they are white, this is an objective fact?
and what if i look at the clouds and i see them gray, what will be an objective fact your point of view or my?
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Let's please keep the conversation in this thread on-topic. If you have an opinion on why asking the question "Who Are You?" is arrogant, you're by all means welcome to create your own thread on the topic. This thread is for telling us a little bit about yourself if you want to; if you don't want to then don't post.
as long as people post in this thread their opinions, and it doesn't matter about what the argument is, it will be on topic and it will answer perfectly to the question of this thread.
this is the best way to know people, by arguments and not by babbling stories about your past, like... in what age i stop pissing in my bed.
"two people watched at each others face and saw how beautiful they are, they were in love and happy, passion boiled in their soul, and then.... one of them open his mouth and said... i love you! and the other one puked his guts off."
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And never known your face
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Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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yes my opinion is a biased statement and yes they revolve around my self interests
i don't say you wrong you just don't want to admit that all our opinions comes from our self interests
and if you say that your opinions don't come from self interests then... you will be hypocrite!
everyone's opinions stem from their own self-interests, some just more so than others. just as we could all be considered selfish, some are more so than others. but that's just my opinion.
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We know all we need to know about you, and it's more than enough.
you mean enough like.. welcome and talk more, or enough like... fuck off!!!
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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Who am I...?
I started writing about myself, but it's getting pretty long. I don't know if I should post it
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Who am I...?
i can solve your identity crisis: you are a potential attention whore 
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10367658 - 05/19/09 11:51 PM (3 years, 12 days ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Fairly well, parents stayed together until 14, which was a healthy age for them to divorce. Started smoking dope with them shortly thereafter & we all get along good. My mom is a Catholic & would always teach me about God & appreciation for life, my dad was more neutral/agnostic and didn't talk much about it.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I got by, there was nothing I really ever had trouble with, but I never bothered to be at the top of the class either. I had a bad attitude about doing any work out of class, so I'd just do whatever I could while in school and never hand in any homework, always just passing. I graduated highschool and took a welding course at my local college, and I get good marks in the trade school I attend for my current apprenticeship, but after I'm done with this I'd like to upgrade my science credits to try to start looking at studying neurology at a university.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I'm interested in a career in either neurology, or to write music for a living. I'm a boilermaker apprentice now, almost a journeyman. It's awesome money and I plan to do it off/on for the rest of my life, but not all the time.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I had always believed in God, or at least been agnostic most of my life. Stuff like black metal & shit got me interested in more pagan religions, then I had this life changing mushroom trip that intensified that, and I was in la-la land for a few years with my head in the clouds, then I started becoming interested in biology, astronomy, & physics and saw how ridiculous I was. I'm... I'm an agnostic now I guess.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Pretty lame, but here it is: Be nice.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: CMACD]
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interesting to see the people that visit here, new here, but a bit 'bout myself...
raised in a fairly upperclass family and community by two accountants who tried to keep us (the kids) from excess and arrogance. Kinda a typical Christian family, church on Sundays and such. Didn't due much in school 'till the end of highschool, had fun runnin' wild 'till then, couple of arrest, never anything that major tho. Near the end put forth some effort, got into a nice school and studying neural engineering. Degree's nice 'cause outside the science I read nearly any philosophy or fiction I please, work as a tutor during school. Got interested in philosophy/spirituality when I was 'bout 16 (after reading "Brave New World" got into some of Huxley's other work like "Island" and cascaded from there). Don't really have a religion now, sort of happily agnostic, core believe would be that perception determines reality and freedom to do as one pleases as the mood strikes, an embrace of living and the emotions that go with it (see below).
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10443813 - 06/02/09 06:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think of myself as basically one of them who attempt to perceive patterns. I'm wondering if the mapping of the human genome is serendipitous with 2012, in that Japanese mothers could get the traits they want in their children.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10577641 - 06/26/09 03:14 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
We were lower middle-class. I was never injured by poverty, neither was I spoiled by wealth. My dad is eclectic and rational, my mother imposed a Christian background on me, which I have since rejected. My spiritual/philosophical beliefs are a result of my own research and experience.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I have always been at the top of my class. I prefer History and English over hard sciences and math. I apply my education in personal creative writing. I just recently graduated high school and will pursue a psychology degree at UC Santa Cruz in the fall.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I have been more or less a full time student my entire life, save for a summer job as a coffee vendor. I want to become a psychotherapist/researcher and do pro-bono counseling in troubled areas.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Immensely. The film Waking Life sparked my initial interest in such matters, and I have pursued philosophy ever since. I have a propensity for eastern religious thought. Many times I have questioned and altered my views (experimenting with all religions as well as atheism and nihilism), but more or less always returned to eastern thought. Psychedelic experiences have, overall, strengthened my devotion to a blend of altruistic humanism and personal mysticism. Many times I have questioned and altered my views.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I greatly value personal freedom and responsibility, which are contingent upon open-minded/civil discussion and free, uncensored dissemination of information. I despise governments for striving against these values by their mere existence. Compassion/kindness, generosity/charity, honesty and creativity are also extremely dear to me.
I manifest these values by picking up garbage where I can, making my personal writings available to any and all for discussion and criticism, doing favors for friends and trying to make people laugh.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: deCypher]
#10580647 - 06/27/09 06:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Let's please keep the conversation in this thread on-topic. If you have an opinion on why asking the question "Who Are You?" is arrogant, you're by all means welcome to create your own thread on the topic. This thread is for telling us a little bit about yourself if you want to; if you don't want to then don't post.
In not wanting to tell us about himself I believe that he has unwillingly told us a lot about himself...lol. ... I would agree that enough is enough and commenting on his comments only helps in pulling this thread off-topic... oops, I'm doing the same thing.
I'm sure that everyone will get to know me fairly well through my many posts in this forum.
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Life's still good
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10595877 - 06/30/09 12:37 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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My upbringing was quik and medicated. The fact that we never had money and I was crazy and made my two stepfathers( ) go in to debt has bothered me.
My uppbring was pathetic religous as my people never taught me anything except sayings and songs about God.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10620621 - 07/04/09 11:10 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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"I am a Strange Loop"
While not a full answer, a fantastic novel on the subject of consciousness. Hofstadter never disappoints.
Also reminds me of The Who before Pete Townshend began to suck.
~Monk
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: numonkei]
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Godel, Escher, and Bach was much better,
I've heard that "I am a strange loop" is a weaker book because he was affected by the death of his wife.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: xFrockx]
#10622020 - 07/04/09 05:17 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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I don't really know anymore.
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Maybe there is no Heaven. Maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whiskey, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested...
--HST
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: thatiAM]
#10900913 - 08/20/09 08:52 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Who am I??
I am Sancho.
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MushroomTrip
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10913266 - 08/22/09 02:27 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Me.
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rootbark
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10913484 - 08/22/09 03:02 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Born in a small family rich enough not to worry about what will we eat tomorrow, I was raptured by the Internet since a young age. Being it so, it's kind of an unspoken agreement ( which sometimes comes to surface as outraging rants ) that discussion between me and my family about anything deeper than "what's up, how have you been" etc. is not possible.
Thus, I developed a value system totally independent from my family and my immediate environment as a matter of fact.
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My educational experience have always been tricky and cumbersome since kindengarden. I won't say that I was too smart for school, but at least I was too weird for them to handle.
Outside my school hours I studied intensely, injuring my health and social life outside the virtual world.
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I began to learn languages out of fun, but as I immersed myself into it I wondered about becoming a professional translator and interpreter. It's a freelance job carried mainly over the Internet, and I don't know what I would be working on if I weren't doing this. Maybe devoting myself to computer and musical languages, as I attempted earlier in life.
4 and 5
Every child has an innate sense of spirituality, but when you are first introduced to the adult world in the West as a teenager, you must either put it into words or give up and play insane games.
My first attempt on this was cynic atheism, as an organic reaction to what was going on. Nowadays I play with an ecletic system that I developed over the years that encompasses everything from Ikkyu's koans to Terence McKenna's rants on the alien origins of psilocybin. My values are so exotic to the people around me that they are incomprehensible, and often disregarded as mad and marginal. "But my jewel is the All-Mother", as Laozi would say; and I'm happy to not so rarely find like-minded people all over the Internet.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10939023 - 08/25/09 11:50 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was brought up as middle/upper class within the Bay Area, Northern California. My father was VP of Intelsat(aerospace engineering co.) and my mother a housewife. My father is Hindu, my mother is Catholic. They've never really forced, nor discuss religion upon me.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I *hated* school all the way up to high school. I presume it was because I was under the average reading level for my age, and lacked patience, listening and reading skills, and was brought down by the negative attitudes of my peers, this ended on my high school graduation. When college came around, it was amazing. I was there to learn, as was everyone else, seemingly. The subjects were most fascinating and I immediately dove into the field of psychology. My education has found tremendous application in my everyday life, as I am an excellent critical thinker who never ceases to develop his analytical ability and deductive reasoning. My education has brought me a heightened awareness, however has made me a more critical person.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I aspire to be the CEO of a major technological corporation. I am very ambitious, competitive, and enjoy the rush of being in business. I will couple my degree in psychology with an M.B.A from a prestigious business school and work my way through the ranks.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
At the age of 14, was the time I began to think about life philosophies; why we are existing on this planet, other life entities within the universe, and the concept of death. My first mushroom experience left me with a dying urge to stimulate my brain, and I've been working hard at it ever since...Neuroplasticity is a gift.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I believe in emotional stability, trusted friendships, financial success, conservative values, but VERY democratic :P. I am HUGE on 'respect' and showing it to others. Very dependable.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#10971303 - 08/31/09 06:39 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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who are you?
I am the enchanting wizard of rhythm
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Neuron]
#11039148 - 09/11/09 07:09 AM (2 years, 8 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
working class. Father standart low income. No high education in family. No serious religious lifestyle. No philophie no spirit.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
No enjoyment in school, but interest in ethics and philosphy until the age of 16.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
i got no work atm. got enough money for everything.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
16 was the age i turned up. I really changed myself recently 22-23.
im getting more aware and thats the main thing which counts.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I give a shit on these idiots praying one thing while doing another.
The most people are like the priests. Teaching abstinence and rape a young boy.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#11285293 - 10/20/09 02:53 PM (2 years, 7 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was raised in the United Church of Canada, my father wasn't all that observant (one of those "go on Christmas/Easter" guys). We didn't really discuss it all that much, at the time (as a child) it made perfect sense to me so I didn't have much to discuss.
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2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I absolutely loathed public school, most useless crap I've ever seen, outside basic math and reading (which I could have learned just as effectively elsewhere) it was largely a chore. I wound up stupidly dropping out at 16, eventually went back to school and have a Social Services Diploma...just now working towards a steady job in that field (and discovering how thick my skin can actually be)
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3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I would have loved to go for a philosophy degree, I already voraciously eat up philosophical and religious texts, unfortunately the 4 year University course is both bloody expensive and sadly the chances of good work out of a philosophy degree aren't incredibly great. The world doesn't need any more brilliant homeless people :P
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4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
My philosophy has done anything BUT remain constant. I was a Christian until I was around 14, at that period I started getting into bands like The Doors, and through them got exposed to writers like Nietzsche. From there I drifted through various mixes of beliefs, I considered myself Pagan for a time, Buddhist, Thelemite and so on until I reached where I am now...now what one would CALL what I am now, that's a bit trickier...
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5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
How do you mean "core values"? As in my fundamental beliefs? Well...I'm an Implicit/Soft Atheist, I approach that atheism with an eye to syncretism as well often incorporating aspects of Christianity, Taoism, or whatever I stumble across into something cohesive that works for me. I tend to lean toward the Existential side of things, holding the view that people need remain fully accountable for their actions. I also lack a belief in any absolute morality which is something I view as a socially, familially or personally developed norm which depends on where you're born, who your born to, when your born and so on. As such I tend to take the context of the act over the actual act itself, murder for example I find morally reprehensible but to kill in order to protect the life of a loved one or myself I have no qualms whatsoever about. Theft as well, I'm generally against it and yet I can feel morally justified in accepting a starving man stealing bread to feed his family.
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yogabunny
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Charos]
#11365678 - 11/01/09 08:22 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
mixture of middle-upper middle class. my parents and grandparents are all pretty devout catholic, and by devout i mean follow the religion blindly like sheep. i don't mean to sound judgmental, i love my family, but it's the truth. i started to have problems with the religion myself at a very young age when i started learning about mortal and venial sins in sunday school. didn't seem right to me, and i never felt comfortable in church. when i started to question things, my parents were very supportive of me exploring and finding something that would work for me. i read "the tao of pooh" when i was in a sophmore in high school, which changed my life and introduced me to eastern philosophy which would become a huge part of my life.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I only enjoyed and did well in the subjects I found interesting: english, languages, history, performance, singing, etc etc. i left college after my sophmore year for this exact reason. i prefer to teach myself and/or learn through experience....
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
i am currently building a career as a yoga teacher and producing a comedy web series. until yoga picks up (which could take a few years) i still have to do the occasional side job, but i don't mind and am very happy with how my yoga teaching career is developing. :)
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
i became interested in spirituality around the age of 16 when i first read "the tao of pooh". after a very spiritual lsd trip in the summer of 2000 (i was 20) i decided to delve more into learning about eastern philosophies, and i picked up the tao te ching off my book shelf and devoured the thing in about 30 minutes. i discovered yoga that same summer and my personal spiritual philosophy is that the tao te ching is my path, and yoga gives me the tools to experience the tao.
i had an epiphany/moment of enlightenment (i think it was beginners luck or something) while meditating with tibetan buddhist group almost two years ago. it was the highest i have ever been.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
i would say my core values are simplicity, patience and compassion.
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Welcome yoga girl. Nice to see another fan of DJ. I hope you post a little in this forum so we can test your inner warrior.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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yogabunny
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thanks! i plan on it
maybe time to re-read the 3rd book!!
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Just finished it again for the 23rd time. I've been reading the first four since they first came out.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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yogabunny
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Just finished it again for the 23rd time. I've been reading the first four since they first came out.
that's awesome. i've read the first book twice and then the second and third once each. i felt like the ending of the third book was a very solid conclusion to the story..... should i read the fourth????
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Of all the books Castaneda wrote and he wrote a shitload, I think the fourth is the best. I think the first four make a complete unit.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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well, i will have to pay a visit to my book guys then!!
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Of all the books Castaneda wrote and he wrote a shitload, I think the fourth is the best. I think the first four make a complete unit.
But then his creative well dried up and a decade or two later he hashed and rehashed his earlier works in several entirely unmemorable works.
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So that's why The Art of Dreaming sucked so badly, i bought it for lucid dreaming not knowing who casteneda was and hated it. I always assumed the first one was the only good one, will have to buy the other 3 now.
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IMO the third and forth were the best. The first set the stage but had very little to point to the direction the other books were going in.
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Of all the books Castaneda wrote and he wrote a shitload, I think the fourth is the best. I think the first four make a complete unit.
They were all mystical nonsense. His works were debunked over and over again. Not too mention his little cult ended in the suicides of his 'close female students'.
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All mystical nonsense? That's a foolish statement IMO. While the books may have had a fictional setting a lot of the ideas in the books are sound psychology. I know this because I use some of them successfully. Of course they aren't original but he did a great job of conveying the information in a very entertaining fiction which I admit has a lot of mystical (imo) nonsense.
This reminds me I was going to mention to you the works of Albert Ellis who founded Rational Emotive Therapy. Talk about a rational way to deal with emoting. Anyway his ideas and Castaneda's dovetail nicely.
I'm wondering if you have read those four books before you formed your black and white opinions?
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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I read the first two of the books and half of the last one. So not all of them no. But since I read the first two and half of the last the probability that they were all in the same irrational, mystical vein is pretty damn high.
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would you mind giving an example of something from either book you consider mystical nonsense???
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I read the first two of the books and half of the last one. So not all of them no. But since I read the first two and half of the last the probability that they were all in the same irrational, mystical vein is pretty damn high.
So if you read that much you must have found them vaguely interesting.
But my point still stands. I don't need for all of it to be true or great to get out valuable parts that work for me. If I did that I could even find a reason to dismiss Rand. I know I could. I don't choose to live in an black and white world. For me that's not logical.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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would you mind giving an example of something from either book you consider mystical nonsense???
You know there is a lot in those books that has never be verified. For instance finding a good and bad spot to rest. Creating the double. Being able to transport oneself over vast distances instantly and a hundred others. There is no evidence that there is truth to these things.
However the idea of taking responsibility for your actions, using the idea of your death as an adviser and other ideas are sound imo.
Btw the sorcerer's explanation in the forth book is worth the total price of admission imo. Whether true or not it is very very fascinating and thought provoking imo.
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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You know there is a lot in those books that has never be verified. For instance finding a good and bad spot to rest. Creating the double. Being able to transport oneself over vast distances instantly and a hundred others. There is no evidence that there is truth to these things.
However the idea of taking responsibility for your actions, using the idea of your death as an adviser and other ideas are sound imo.
Btw the sorcerer's explanation in the forth book is worth the total price of admission imo. Whether true or not it is very very fascinating and thought provoking imo.
i know that. he said "all mystical nonsense" so i was just curious what he meant.
i'll have to go back and read over that part of the book, but i always thought that finding a good spot/bad spot to rest as kind of a lesson toward having intention. kind of a mind fuck tool for finding a state of relaxed readiness. also that in the end there is no good/bad, just wherever you are, that's your spot.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#11474260 - 11/17/09 01:25 PM (2 years, 6 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I grew up with my mom, dad, and brother in an upper middle class environment in the suburbs. My parents are both Jewish and I was raised Jewish, went to Hebrew School, had a Bar Mitzvah, the whole nine yards. They never really discussed any of these things with me. We sort of went to temple and celebrated holidays but never really talked about it.
The first time I can remember questioning God was when I first heard George Carlin's "Invisible Man in the Sky" routine. Something just clicked with me when I heard it. I felt like it was funny, but beyond that, it made a lot of sense.
After 9/11 is I guess when you can say I became Athiest. I just decided that religion didn't make any sense and could be too easily misused. I was a "militant atheist" for awhile, trying to convert everyone to my views, but that has faded into simple agnosticism. I don't particularly care much about a person's views and I don't really try to change anyone unless they demonstrate that they are looking for a change and that my ideas might be able to help them.
As far as my current metaphysics, they are identical to those of the philosopher Alan Watts.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I always did well in school and enjoyed it for the most part. Socially things were a bit lacking but they never really got out of hand. I was academically oriented and enjoyed learning, but more about topics I was interested in.
After high school I went to college and started to pursue my degree in Biology. I was distracted by my living conditions during my sophomore year and never really studied well, resulting in some poor grades that made me switch my degree to English. I loved the English major coursework and read a lot of life-changing materials, but in hindsight I wish I would've gotten a higher-paying degree with more job possibilities. I don't fully regret the switch though.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I'm not sure what interests me, but it's definitely not what I'm doing right now. Right now I work in internet marketing with some web design on the side. It's okay but it doesn't really do much for me in terms of meaningful fulfillment. I think I'd like to work outdoors or with animals, or in some way helping the world. Conservation sounds like it would be up my alley.
If I didn't have to earn money I would be a philosopher, just sitting around all day and thinking, writing down my ideas. I'm sure this would get tiresome so I'd also like to travel and expand my mind and knowledge as much as possible.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
My philosophy has changed drastically over the years. In early high school I was very depressed and caught up in the surface stress of things. I didn't really concern myself with philosophy much. I smoked some weed and that seemed to help. Around this time I had my first mushroom trip and I think that really introduced me to the general understanding that reality was flat out WEIRD, that maybe my typical surface concerns weren't so important or real, and that I might not just be this isolated ego trapped in a bag of skin.
In college I continued to explore, and became a big fan of the ideas of existentialism. Then one day I was reading about meditation and stumbled upon Buddhism, as well as the single most influential person in my life: philosopher Alan Watts. Now you could say my philosophy and metaphysics mirror his almost exactly. It's a sort of Zen outlook, but it resists the label. It's working well for me now.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
My core values are understanding, intelligence, balance, interconnectedness, and some other things. It's hard for me to pin down the way I feel with words. Most of my understanding is very intuitive and difficult to explain to others. Sometimes my values are expressed in my every day life, but many times they are stifled by the feeling to conform in some way. My ideal life is one where I am completely honest with myself, and where what I think, say, and do are all the same thing. I definitely feel like I am part of the minority.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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I'm a 20yr old canadian living in toronto.
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
My family includes an older sister, younger brother, and a mom (english/irish/scottish descent, but family has been in north america for hundreds of years) and dad (1st generation italian immigrant). We almost had that middle class dream- four bedroom, 3 bathrooms, 2 car garage house in the burbs, mom left her job as a nurse to take care of the kids while dad worked as a truck driver. Everything was looking good.
Then my dad was laid off.
Then my mom got cancer.
Then my dad was ripped off by his business partner after starting a business.
Then we had to sell the house (I was in grade 2) and move into my aunts basement in Toronto to be closer to the hospitals.
When we finally got to move back out to the same burb in central ontrio, things had changed.
We lived in a smaller house, dad worked longer hours, mom got a second job, and yet we still never had much money. I wouldn't say we were living in poverty- but we were hovering just above it.
Other than the system failing my parents, they were great at raising me. Never pushed any religion or politics on me, and instead stressed I form my own opinions. I have no problems with how I was raised.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I had great grades, that slowly got worse as I got older and realized that they meant nothing about what I had actually learnt. I still managed to graduate highschool with minimal work and decent grades.(although I did return for half a semester after) I was definitely happen to leave. I wasn't a loner, but those years were akward ones.
I'm in university now, but I don't really know why. I don't want a career, so I think I'm just wasting time.
I like to learn, but I hate the teaching and grading methods our schooling uses. I don't feel it is actually learning. But I have always been interested in learning new things, especially about organic chemistry, quantum and relative physics, eastern mysticism, and survival skills. These I use in my daily life (except the physics I guess..)
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I don't really want a career.. I plan to eventually be able to survive on very little and travel. Not sure when I'll pull it off. But if I had to choose, it would be a researcher, as my own boss.
If money wasn't a problem, I would just travel the world.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
VERY MUCH.
young: not much thought to philosophy except for realizing that I didn't seem to know half of what everyone else was so sure of. Otherwise, I was your normal kid.
teen: punk rock/ anarchy. Beginings of my anti-authority sentiments. Began smoking pot at this time, and had my first truly philosophical musings.
Decided I was pretty sure no god existed, but never made the claim to atheism. Had no sense of spirituality. But I was always logical minded, took lots of science and math courses- and only the required enlgish and arts.
Then I took mushrooms, and went through a paradigm shift. I did my best to best kind to everyone, be calm and positive to myself, and set off on the path I am still on today. Began to become interested in buddhist philosophy and meditation, but still not spiritual minded.
post highschool: immidiately after getting out, I decided to take an extend trip out to india and nepal. Worked for 9 months, and than flew out and travelled for 5months- until I ran out of money.
This had a huge effect on me, in many ways. I had several spiritual awakenings, where I became connected to shiva- and shiva consciousness philosophy.
I constantly reflect on every aspect of this trip for perspective in my daily life, and can easily say, even though I have no idea why I did it, this was the best choice I have ever made in my life- even moreso than deciding to take a psychedelic or ganja.
now: I am constantly surprised at how strong of a spiritual faith I have- I would never have thought this even a few years ago. But at the same time, I do not agree with organized, dogmatic religions- I believe that we will all come to our own personal conclusions and that these are right for each of us, relatively.
I still don't like authority, and strongly believe in self-sufficiency. I do my best to live up to this ideal. I meditate often, and dance to psytrance. But otherwise, the core realizations from my earlier years have stuck with me.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
That golden rule: treat others how you would like to be treated.
Constantly pursue new knowledge and a greater understanding.
And to exist in the state of shiva-consciousness.
I like to think the very way I live reflects these values, but I also know that I have much improvement in this regard.
I think most people would profess to the first two values, but not many would live up to it.
I think not many other than shaivite sadhus will adhere to the third value.
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you seem to have a nice middle path perspective.
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― Ernest Becker
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I have to say I end up agreeing with most of your posts.
I just have some faith in humanity still, I guess.
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There's still time.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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i wanna lurk for a while.
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i am a concept about myself, or a collection of concepts which make up who i think i am.
i discovered this heavily tripping a few times. then i started caring less and less about these concepts, and wanted them to be gone.
now they don't make much sense to me. well they make sense, there's just not much sense in them, most of the time.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#11568869 - 12/02/09 08:51 AM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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1. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by upbringing. My family did have money, but that hasn't really effected me in any clear way. It's helped not to have to take out any student loans though. I was raised catholic, my mother converted to gnosticism about four years ago, and my father is in the process of converting from Catholicism to the Greek Orthodox church. My mother always discussed her spirituality with me, and I usually disagreed. As I've read more and gotten older I've found that we think alike in regards to spirituality in a lot of ways. My father is very conservative and while we agree on some things, he tends to espouse a lot of the stereotypical conservative Christian social BS that I vehemently disagree with (i.e. pro-life, anti-gay, anti-evolution, etc.). So yes, these topics were a frequent topic of discussion in my household.
2. My educational experience has been mixed. I always hated being lectured at because I don't like being talked down to. College has been better because the seminar format (which I find much more conducive to learning) is a lot more common than straight lecture-style. I enjoy learning, but school is not always about learning, in fact, sometimes it can be downright at odds with learning. I'm academically oriented when my interest is piqued, which does happen, occasionally. My education has found more application in daily life as I've specialized, i.e. moved from general liberal-arts BS into actual I/O psychology and HR training.
3. I'm interested in a career as a Human Resources Generalist, or perhaps as an Industrial Psychologist. No, I won't be able to enter my chosen field until I complete my degree in May of 2010. School is a necessary evil to prove that I do in fact know what the hell I'm doing. Given infinite wealth I would probably think a lot more, read a lot more and play a lot more video games. I'm sure my drug consumption would increase to, as a lack of obligations seems to be correlated with more drug use for me.
4. Yes, my personal spirituality has softened from vehement atheism to a more tentative deism over the past two years. Research in this regard is ongoing. I have only recently become open to reading and thinking about spirituality, but philosophy is something that has been an interest of mine since I was in middle school.
5. I am a logical positivist, a deist, and an existentialist. My belief in the need for evidence leads to a practical need to see evidence before I'll concede a point, and I tend to lean more towards proofs that have research behind them, rather than logic. I do believe that some things can be reasonably assumed however, but I'm not a fan of the so-called 'thought experiment' as in my experience most processes in the real world tend to not work exactly how logic would dictate, if they don't outright defy logic. I think that my values are somewhat similar to most people who consider themselves psychologists, but different from society at large. I'm not sure how my personal beliefs compare to those held by the people who frequent this forum, as I've only recently allowed myself to be open enough to really engage anyone other than myself when it comes to spirituality. I think I still have a lot to learn when it comes to religion and spirituality, and I'm sure a lot of people here have been searching longer than I have. Hopefully I can pick up a thing or two as a result of posting here. 
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1200 Micrograms - pleased to meet you all.
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You're a hefty dose.
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I like the underlying meaning behind your statement, Ice.
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Death anxiety? :flirt:[/quote]
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
In my early childhood, we were an average family. But when I was in 4'th grade or so, my father lost his job and this was the beginning of poor life. I used to get regular food money daily from my mom, who still works in a same factory on a same job to this day. I never used the money for food, I collected it, that was only pocketmoney I had. So I ate once or sometimes twice a day, always feeling thirsty and tired.
One day my father died, to this day I wonder if this was an accident or not and deep down it haunts me. I feel somehwhat guilty.
Everybody in my family is baptised, but we were never religious. Father didn't believe in anything and mother is kind of spiritualist. We had free will and quite free upbringing.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
In my early childhood I feared what would happen when I go to school. When that day happened, it wasn't bad afterall, I did fine. But to my surprise, people there were totally different, I hated it. I didn't understand any of the stuff people did, I desperately tried to fit in, and it ruined my grades at some point.
There were times I was picked on, then I thought them a lesson. Some girls hit on me but I didn't feel any interest, partially because I was a poor sack, didn't have any money. Although I had very big sexual interest already in a more younger age, I don't remember if I even was to school yet.
With this mentality, I sort of distanced myself from people. In ninth grade, I rarely talked to anyone, was a sociopath and felt extremely nervous when I had to express my own opinion.
Nothing interested happened in high school. Now I am in college, studying art. Been drawing since little boy. I know I am on the right path but not sure if I have made all the right choices. Right now I feel I wan't to do something else.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
Media. I study it. But I discovered it really doesn't interest me as much as traditional art. Right now all I got to be is some sack sitting in the office creating advertises for big corporations, telling people to buy buy buy all the useless shit they don't need.
I am yet to graduate in few years, so I don't have a career yet.
I would gladly paint, and do computer art, game enviornments.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I have always been interested, as long as I remember. I am always interested how things work around me, I need to understand things, because somehow I have always felt that I don't understand any of this world. Why do people need to do things they do, how one sees the world, even in physical aspect.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Mind is a powerful thing. Person must have control over his own life and death, over his own values. Never judge too soon. Someone should ask me yesd/no questions at this point, because I don't have any particular rule how things should be.
Anarchy popped into my mind when I was 10 or something. Now its more about Utopian society, since anarchy is very abstract term.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Simms]
#11794465 - 01/09/10 04:42 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Welcome here!
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― Ernest Becker
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Simms]
#11852169 - 01/18/10 09:20 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
i was born in soviet russian and immigrated as a jewish refugee in the early 90s (score!). i was very young when we got here. my parents came up from being dirt poor and we eventually moved out of the projects into a pretty balling house. my parents are both scientists and it rubbed off on me. i didn't start to be interested in philosophy until i learned in college how little our sciences can tell us about ourselves and how insightful philosophy is.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
i've always been a pretty poor student yet everyone tells me i'm smart. 4-10 grade i did nothing in school and averaged 1.8 gpa. in 11th grade i was sent to military school and the effort i exerted there got me into university. the first couple years i did the bare minimum and my gpa reflected it. but now i've gotten used to the idea that if i don't get this diploma i won't be taken seriously in my society so i've been doing pretty damn good lately. i study mechanical engineering btw.
i can't apply my education to my daily life, but i appreciate the insights it has given me with respect to physics and chemistry.
i have a couple years of study left. after which i'll work as an engineer for a little while to save up money for the peace corps or engineers without borders and do some traveling for a good cause. after this i don't know... maybe go to school for philosophy or something. i just don't want to be trapped in a 9-5 wearing a monkey suit. i'd rather spend the rest of my time on this planet in school.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
would like to apply my skills to a humanitarian effort. i don't need/want to make money to save up for a bull shit house/family in america.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
drastically, and the shroomery has been a great aid in that. before i took philosophy in school i never gave the subject much thought. philosophy got me interested, DMT changed my life. the last few years have been transformative to say the least.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
been a good person. love and be real. if you can't be real to yourself, you can't be real to anyone else. change starts from within.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: dummy]
#11876247 - 01/21/10 09:54 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Whatever we are, we are the same. Everything else is ego and illusion.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Pandorok]
#11877076 - 01/22/10 04:48 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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says you
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― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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When asked the question, "Who are you?" One cannot give a different answer without it being ego. That's why I said, "Whatever we are, we are the same."
By the inquiry "Who am I?" It should then be inquired "To whom has this thought arisen?". The answer that would emerge would be "To me”. Thereupon if one inquires "Who am I?", the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will become quiescent. With repeated practice in this manner, the mind will develop the skill to stay in its source. When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the sense organs, the gross names and forms appear.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Pandorok]
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It should then be inquired "To whom has this thought arisen?".
no.
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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
And searched this human race
Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
Bathed in your sighs
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Pandorok]
#11878327 - 01/22/10 10:37 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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When asked the question, "Who are you?" One cannot give a different answer without it being ego. That's why I said, "Whatever we are, we are the same."
By the inquiry "Who am I?" It should then be inquired "To whom has this thought arisen?". The answer that would emerge would be "To me”. Thereupon if one inquires "Who am I?", the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will become quiescent. With repeated practice in this manner, the mind will develop the skill to stay in its source. When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the sense organs, the gross names and forms appear.
Get off the high horse preacher.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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It should then be inquired "To whom has this thought arisen?".
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Lion]
#11881679 - 01/22/10 07:20 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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Finally decided to respond, I'm super bored... hopefully someone will read it.
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Middle class white people. They were Christian when I was younger (forget which specific Jesus cult), and I went to church, but now they're not as serious about it. They didn't really discuss these topics with me, at least as I can remember, but they answered my questions and have given me good advice.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I absolutely loathed high school. I didn't really "fit in" but I did hang out with some stoners/video game nerds. I slacked off but managed to get into college thanks to a pretty nice SAT score. Now I am a sophomore in college, majoring in psychology minoring in philosophy, and I'm excited for what the future might hold for me.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
Hmm, I'd like to be a guidance councilor or a social worker, but really I dunno. These jobs aren't really ideal, but I'd be content with them. My ideal job... hmm, probably research of some sort, especially with psychedelics (working for MAPS would be a dream) but I don't think it will happen unless I go to grad school which I'm unsure of at the moment.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I've always been somewhat interested in philosophy and spirituality. Seeing "the big picture" and how everything is inter-related. I didn't really get serious into philosophy until the end of high school, spirituality at the beginning of college. I am an agnostic at heart, but I do believe in the power of language and education to breathe life into subjective values/belief that makes it radiate true (or true enough). I'm quite influenced from the Buddhist values and philosophies, especially Zen Buddhism which emphasizes experiential-meditative, rather than dogmatic, knowledge. I also am somewhat of an existentialist, believing that the essence of life is subjective and does not precede existence. I think this goes with the Buddhist idea of "emptiness", but I see nothing wrong with projecting inherent value in certain concepts/general phenomena (nature, love and compassion, mindfulness, etc. - although these are central to Buddhism despite the underlying idea of emptiness). I've been meditating for about a year now, maybe a bit longer, and I've been trying to start a yoga routine although I think I need more lessons first. I'd love to travel around the world some day (hell, I'd be blessed to travel within my state and surrounding states for a while), gain more self-knowledge, eventually settle down, etc. etc.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I don't believe in god as a separate deity, but my concept of god is basically synonymous with "everything." So for this, I'm somewhat of a pantheist, who believe nature either is god or a manifestation of part of god. Since I'm agnostic, I think it's very likely that there is a lot of stuff, on a large and minute scale, that we cannot begin to comprehend, perhaps other universes or parallel universes and such. I believe in the beauty, intelligence, and power of nature and think humans should be much more conscious of nature, as it is our True Mother and we cannot live without her. I also believe that all drugs should either be legalized or decriminalized. I think there needs to be radical worldwide political change and a greater effort to reduce patriotism and increase transnational compassion. I think for this reason, I might be considered "extreme". I'm definitely a libertarian, and I think social democracy - or at least some balance between socialism and capitalism - should be strived for. I hope that in a hundred years or so, my "extremeness" will be the norm, or even considered conservative! Who knows, though.
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Well my parents split when I was two, and I was raised primarily by my mother for the next twelve years. We didn't have a lot of money but we had a roof over our heads and food on the table. She got remarried when i was 7 which lasted 3 years, and produced my sister and since she has had several boyfriends. I have been confirmed in a catholic church, however the main reason I did it was because my mom said i wouldn't have to go to church anymore. I have abandoned the catholic church in search of my own truths although I sometimes help them out because I really like the priest there. We never discussed that sort of stuff in my early child hood, but my mother has recently become more spiritual, and a lot less catholic.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
Well I graduated high school a couple years ago and went into journalism without thinking about it because my writing was decent. I realized early in the first semester that this was a bad idea. Then on new years during that Christmas break i took LSD for the first time and i realized these types of chemicals hold a lot of potential so i took the rest of the year off so i didn't waste anymore of my parents money, and now I'm back in high school getting all my grade 12 science credits and next year I'm going to start studying chemistry. In short, I want to be Alexander Shulgin when i grow up.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I don't have a career. I don't even have a job. I just moved back to my mom's house and I've been looking since we got here. Before i made this decision i sold and delivered TVs. If i dint have to earn money, I'd want to do the exact same thing I'm on my way to now. Money doesn't influence my choice of profession. If you find our element, your element will support you, that is to say, if you do what you love, you care enough to be good at it, and if you're good at it, someone will pay you for it.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Well, when I was fourteen, my mom kicked me out and sent me to my dad's, where i had to go to a catholic high school. It was there that i started to question my beliefs, and realized i had none.I really think it's too bad religion and spirituality is kept completely out of public schools. I can understand why, but if we don't teach the children about these things they wont understand them, which will lead to more of what we have now. High school philosophy class was cool and started to get me actually thinking about stuff, but after doing LSD i really got into the spiritual side of myself a lot more.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I think my core value would be live and let live. I think interfering in some body's life on purpose isn't right although I'll answer all questions and defend my lifestyle if need be. I never try to force people to do things that i like, but I'll offer and if they get offended or look at me like i want them to kill some one i just ask why. I never turn my back on anything i dint understand for fear of missing out on something great. I am interested in nearly everything.
I'm still not sure on the god ting, but i am definitely opposed to organized religion, especially radicalized religion.
I am a communist.
In my current situation, I am very much the minority, and within my family it seems like it even more, with the exception of my mother (thank goodness for her). But I know there are people like me, open minded and free spirited. It's a shame that it has to be a counter culture.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: JBrad]
#11890600 - 01/24/10 10:20 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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All good! Welcome
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Pandorok]
#11913540 - 01/27/10 05:12 PM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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When asked the question, "Who are you?" One cannot give a different answer without it being ego. That's why I said, "Whatever we are, we are the same."
By the inquiry "Who am I?" It should then be inquired "To whom has this thought arisen?". The answer that would emerge would be "To me”. Thereupon if one inquires "Who am I?", the mind will go back to its source; and the thought that arose will become quiescent. With repeated practice in this manner, the mind will develop the skill to stay in its source. When the mind that is subtle goes out through the brain and the sense organs, the gross names and forms appear.
I guess you just realized that not everyone is a fan of Sri Ramana Maharshi. I however, am partial to Advaita, but I'm more of a Panentheistic Non-Dualist (don't look it up - I made the term up for myself just to be unique) .
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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Sauton - Know Thyself
Edited by MarkostheGnostic (01/27/10 07:02 PM)
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Icelander
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This thread was designed for people to get to know each other as separate egos. If you are so fucking egotistical about your beliefs that you can't get that, well that's just funny.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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MarkostheGnostic
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Well, thank you. It was supposed to be funny. 
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I was talking about Pandorok actually.
His post was very silly imo.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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that kid reminds me of an annoying, self-proclaimed guru. his mannerisms are very irritating.
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[quote]Oweyervishice said:
[quote]Icelander said:
What is at the bottom of it?[/quote]
Death anxiety? :flirt:[/quote]
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#11916685 - 01/28/10 08:16 AM (2 years, 4 months ago) |
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i am the universe. Consciousness is how the universe looks at itself.
THE REST IS PURE intellectual masturbation....
mmhmm I want some food and sex now.
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“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is just energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves.” - Bill Hicks
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#12146165 - 03/04/10 11:29 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was raised in a decently wealthy family. They were not religious but were very keen on psychology and figuring how and why people did what they did.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
From K-3rd grade I attended a private school, but was later moved to public school, a FAR better choice. I found that not only was the education better but the kids were more diverse and interesting too. I was a straight A student for the most part and graduated with a weighted grade of 5.1 and unweighted of 3.8. Education has been a basis for the things I chose to learn and what I know today, but I can't entirely thank the schools for a lot of the stuff I know.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I am currently going to school for Graphic Design and love it whenever I do it. I have worked retail for close to 4 years and worked at a zoo for 3 years prior to that. If I didn't have to earn money I would definitely own and operate a cactus nursery.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I became most interested in philosophy/spirituality in my senior year of high school. Although my views haven't drastically, I have seen many new ways of going about things and consider myself an open-minded individual.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Life in all it's entirety is spectacular. The good and the bad, it is amazing how we are always constantly growing and learning. And only with an open mind can we see this and accept it for what it is. Miraculous.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#12159772 - 03/07/10 02:50 PM (2 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was brought up in a middle class, suburban, God-fearing Reaganite home. That's as best as I can describe it. I was taken to church, sent to catholic school, and taught to believe unconditionally in the "word of God." I'm sure they had a few talks with me regarding that faith, but never anything that really stuck with me. As I got older, though, it seems like my parents just straight up dropped all that, to a point where religion pretty much plays absolutely no role in almost any part of my life anymore.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I've always been able to just scrape by with minimal effort. Don't get me wrong, the few classes along the road that truly engaged me had a grip on me as tight as any drug or woman, but most of what I know I've taught myself. I keep my grades up just 'cause I understand that sometimes you gotta play by their rules to achieve your own desires, but the experience has just been an ongoing drag.
School's always been too systematic for me, and truth be told, most of the stuff I was "taught" I've long since erased in order to make room in my mind for anything more...practical.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I want to write. I went through a phase where I was deeply interested in film, screenwriting in particular, but that just waned over time as I came to realize that the entire process was a lot more stressful than it was pleasurable for me. In other words, I got tired of spending three hours cranking out a bunch of small-talk only to grow frustrated with my characters and destroy the page in a half second.
As far as writing goes, though, no I'm not working in anything even related to that field right now. I'm not working at all, actually. I applied for a job in a headshop recently, but I just want that for the short-term monetary boost and the experience.
If I didn't have to earn money, I'd spend my life traveling the world, taking all the drugs I could get my hands on, and leaving the stories behind for the rest of y'all.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
It has. I've gone from a deeply religious youth to an agnostic adolescence. Religion just isn't something I can get around. I'm not much of a faith person. I need solid truths.
Now, a perfectly mixed cocktail of psychedelics and newfound maturity have opened me up to new interpretations of what God could be, if not some ever-loving eye in the sky with an ocean of unresolved ego issues, but at my core I still remain the same unwavering skeptic I've come to know and love.
I do, however, have enough interest in all this to be packing my semester courseloads with classes like "Myths, Rituals, and Mysticism."
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Freedom, individuality, creativity, love, and respect. Those are my core values.
-- Freedom because I feel no one is truly human until they give their petty fears a swift kick in the ass and live to seek out all the experiences they truly desire with absolutely no regard for repercussions.
-- Individuality because in the end, when I die, it's only me that goes. There's no person, entity or institution powerful enough to overcome the one and only certainty in life: that it's mine and mine only.
-- Creativity because what's the point of living if you can't achieve a little immortality in the process?
-- Love- be it love for a friend, a family member, a girl, myself, a book, a song, a drug, the universe or whatever else is out there- because that's what keeps me grounded. Love, and the never ending search for more of it, is what drives me to be the best person I can be. I'm a big believer in "you reap what you sow." This one's come along pretty recently, though, as I've ditched a good bit of my bitter cynicism in exchange for a brighter sun.
-- Respect because if psychedelics have taught me anything, it's this. Everyone needs to have, first off, respect in themselves to live, laugh, and love in freedom. But as overwhelmingly awesome as it is to keep the outlaw fire burning eternally, every situation still has to be walked into with a measure of respect for its power, too. Recoil can kill. Kick a snake and see what happens. Pop seven grams of mushrooms in your living room two hours before your parents are getting home and see what happens. Get it? Again, reap what you sow.
Just based on a lot of the people in my life, no, I don't think these values are in line with the majority. Most people still seem to be too scared of a lot of nothing (hell, prison, death) to want to live in happiness.
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I grew up with 2 sisters and 1 older brother, whom I looked up to alot and always wanted to play with. We had a nice little house in the country, and plenty of food, but not really any extra money. I was raised a catholic christian, though I don't think I ever believed in it, and thought of church only as a place to goof off with friends. My dad said christian prayers with me at night, and I remember my mom talking to me about Zen a few times, but other than that they did not discuss much spirituality with me.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I was a smart kid. I got straight A's effortlessly until the 6th grade when I decided it was cool to not care about school and rebel with my friends instead. From then on I barely squeaked by, and ended up dropping out of highschool in my junior year. I got my G.E.D. and then went to college mainly because I wanted to live off of student loans and not get a crappy job. I got a bachelors, and then decided to get a master's as well studying 3d graphics, and now I am working in that field.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I am highly stimulated by creating 3d environments or worlds, geometry, form, texture, lighting. I'm doing that in my work now and I think I must enjoy it because it does not feel like work, more like a series of puzzles that I love to figure out.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Yes. I think so. I don't think I thought about much until highschool, when I became depressed, and loneliness, fear, and longing enveloped my life. You could say I began to feel like I was in hell and wish for things that would bring me to heaven maybe. Mostly I was sad. I did LSD when I was 17 and it felt as if a million layers of my life were peeling off revealing fresh and brilliant colors. I started thinking about "spirituality" alot in a pretty cliche hippy sense of the word. I clung to it for a few years until I saw all of those beliefs as ugly, heavy, and misshapen and discarded them. I don't know who I am now or what I believe. I like walking in forests and eating good food.
I kind of want to trip again.. its been a few years.
thanks that felt good to write
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straycatphizzle
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Grav]
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1. My parents gave me a lot of freedom to become my own person. The only influence my parents had willingly on me was advocating compassion. We were middle class, had enough money to get by and a bit more at that.My family was not religious whatsoever and I think I discussed philosophy and spirituality more with them then they with me, I had my own interests and they sometimes elaborated on my ideas.
2. Well I educated myself for the most part, studying subjects I was interested in outside school. But school was more a chore that was necessary to go to college where I could study what I wanted to in a communal environment. School was never hard for me, at times I could be a bit disinterested but I could do the work with little effort and get good grades. My schooling up until college has come in handy in discussions that include historical events, but thats about it. My extra-curricular education has created the foundation for my personality and reality.
3. Butterfly catcher. Catch exotic butterflies for researchers & etc. Travel to many exotic places,and taking the road less traveled when I get there.
4. My beliefs have varied greatly in my years, and have gone from paganism to bhakti hinduism in a matter of months. I can sometimes get carried away in new and interesting material, but quickly remind myself to take it with a pinch of salt. At a certain time in my life I realized that although life may seem unreal and dreamlike, I have practically infinite freedom in this reality and now utlilize it. i first became interested in philosophy and spirituality at 13 years old
5. Compassion,curiosity, and learning. I do my best to try to help people, and am always trying to absorb any possible information from a situation. I'm always thinking about some issue I'm dealing with whether I'm fully aware of it or not. I feel that my ideals are a bit out of the ordinary in comparison to most people I know, but I do know there are many out there with beliefs similar to mine.
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maddogblues
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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There's been some controversy here regarding the use of personalisms during debates/discussions. I agree that they tend to disrupt/degenerate the discussion into a mudslinging match, yet I also agree with the point that our philosophy is based in WHO we are.
The Political forum has a stickied thread which asks posters to describe their background & perspective, and it garners many interesting responses. In the interest of both the need for civilized discussion AND an appreciation for the roots of ones philosophical/spiritual perspective, I'd like to create a similar thread.
You are free to frame your response in any format which makes sense to you, but if you are stumped, here are some questions to answer:
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I'll post my own "profile" in a bit.
This is a very good question.
Question 1: I had lower middle class religious parents who did not encourage thought beyond the practical vicissitudes of the present and future from lessons of the past. In their case it was the great depression who taught them the most important lessons of their life.
Question 2: I hated school except for literature and history. I have some voluntary school in college devoted purely to journalism. I write and photograph for pleasure. School has benefited me some but only to the extent that it encouraged me to look deeper into things I already had an interest in.
Question 3: Retired. I enjoy feeding wild ducks.
Question 4: I was raised in a Christian fundamentalist family. I had no interest whatsoever in the religion but it dominated my life and warped by personality none the less. For some reason at the age of 58 after being diagnosed with incurable hepatitis I realized everything I had agreed to believe was basically unbelievable with regard to God.
I never gave up belief that there is more than I can comprehend. For me that is God. So I guess I believe in God. Not my mothers God however.
Subsequently I abandoned the Christian view of death as punishment. I've found that thoughtful contemplation of death connected with life is most productive of insights into the previously unknowable. Death is a great teacher in that regard.
Question 5: My core values. As stupid as this sounds I would like to be able to communicate how I have come to view life and death because it is the only thing I have ever conceived of that gives me no fear of death. Having understood what I came to understand anxiety and fear have pretty much vanished.
I embrace Taoist, Buddhist and Hindu descriptions of the human being as opposed to the Christian Christian Jewish Muslim description I was given of a big angry man in the sky.
Two teachers Alan Watts and Deepak Chopra have opened the universe wider for me.
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I grew up pretty much on a farm, from horses to chickens as well as going to the levee and throwing bales of hay, but never really had any money growing up. I was raised in a very strict religious but I myself am more interested in learning about all the religions. The religion I would have to consider myself in would follow neopagan/druidism. My parents were closed minded and not really open when it came to talk about religion
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life? Educational was merely ok in highschool, sicne I had previously had my parents sign the paper for me to go in the marine corps. Graduated with the top 10 of my class as well going to college to get masters in electrical engineering.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money? The career i first had agreed to would have been my MOS that was in the marine corps (Which i would have to serve more than likely four years before being able to switch to 0321 marine recon.) My time in the marine corp was cut short when my leg disease I have started to progress further up my legs destroying muscle from my calves and up one point not even being able to walk. I am currently disabled while also being a student, not that far away from grad school atleast
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality? No my philosophies have pretty much stayed the same. I was raised christian views and beliefs but it was torn between pentecostal and baptist, but the basic principals that are taught seemed a little universal at least the important ones.
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Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a constitutional amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth. - Will Rogers
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Dr.Thompson
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Re: Who Are You? *DELETED* [Re: Criss2fur]
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hydrolaw
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I had a decent upbringing Id say. We werent rich by any means but I never went hungry or cold either. My family was always trying to find a church. It seemed like we were always going to on or another. My parents discussed christianity with me. It was assumed that I believed in it without question I believe.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I like school somewhat, I wasnt a huge sports player so i went toward academics, but my mom pushed me so the harder she pushed the more I rebelled. Ended up in the military, and college, after that world crashed down on top of me. I went to college for psychology and Im currently doing NOTHING with it but thinking. Its ok with me though. I have a lot of amazing conversations with people that I believe my education helped with. Just that is worth the degree to me.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
Psychology somewhere. Im not working in it right now. Im retired at a young age atm. Last question, do the best to raise my daughter to be whatever it is she decides she wants to be. And by that I mean anything, not whatever she wants to be as long as its a doctor lawyer etc. I just want her to be happy.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Its changed quite a bit Id say. The biggest one was when I went to the military. I came out kind of a pascifist, but that has its limits. Im more of a peaceful person now I guess you could say. I am an absolute atheist. I came out of a coma and my second sentence after finding out where I was and why i was there was that I knew god didnt exist. I guess I really became interested in philosophy and or spirituality after my stint in the military.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Core values.
Just try to be what I believe to be a good person, for no other reason than just being one. I just try to be as good to others as possible ATM. I would however, kill the entire planet to get to my wife and daughter. If thats a malfunctioning pascifist then I guess im malfunctioning. I think im a little different than other people, I really dont give a shit what they do as long as it doesnt involve me. Do your thing and ill do mine. I think most people say that and walk around with a muzzle intended for others at the same time. -Hydrolaw
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Stypur
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I'm a Homosapian.
One of the many billions.
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synapsis
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Stypur]
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wow indeed a great thread, I dont think I have ever done or thought about it much...
1)I was brought up in a pretty average family, we never had much money but were not poor on the streets, we always had food on the table etc, my mum was a massive christian and brought us kids all up that way, my dad was like the"so so" believer, but didnt really care much for it, I never really questioned that there was no god etc...I was quite naive when growing up, but when my parents divorced when I was 14 everything changed, the "happy family" was over and I became an avid drug abuser and used to discuss openly what drugs I was experimenting with, and this eventually led to me also being kicked out of home as a direct effect of the bad shit I was bringing over to the house all the time.
2)I was quite a clever little kid, I got pretty good grades in primary school but in high school just basically never did any homework or had any interest in anything I was doing,I was a fat porker who got all the usual treatment that fatties do, when I was like 5 years old, my parents friends would ask me"what do you want to be when you grow up?" and I would just say...nothing, I dont know if I didnt understand their question, but I actually never wanted to be anything...just chill at home with the family..haha, my education has not played any part in any of my life...if any employer saw my report cards they would piss themselves, the one thing I did pretty well was play guitar and have the ability to listen to a song and play it, I was a heavy metalist...my dad used to get me to learn leads of the shadows and songs he liked, but I always had an underlying love for electronic music, starting with 2 unlimited and shit..woot!!
3)I finally realised after like 26 years of my life what I wanted to do, and truly believe it is what my job was to do all along, and it just so happens to be one of the hardest industries to make it in, composing music, electronicca I have like 8 albums worth of stuff recorded and counting, I look back on how I started working out the puzzle of what and who I was...I used to go out clubbing, taking speed and ecstacy and loved harder style techno or that deep trance that made u feel like awesome, I used to hear different melodys to the main riff being played and thought to myself why arent they playing the next harmony with that...so I started playing about with playstation music generator then fruity loops until I liked a program called orion pro by synapse audio, and then bought a midi keyboard, and taught myself how to play"piano" and now I have a roland fantom x8 and a roland v synth, and have had to learn to record a totally different way as in there is no more quantize etc...bblah blah...I could go on about this forever....it is where my heart and passion truly lives, If I didnt have to work for money, then I would assume that nobody else does and the world is finally cured and functional, if this wasnt the case and only I didnt have to work for money then I would work towards everybody else not having to work for money and for the world to have food on the table and a roof over their head...and also create music
4&5)My philosiphy and spirituality is always maturing, I do believe in god and have felt his spirit in me many times, as the person who posted above about jesus coming into his being...I know exactly how they feel, I do have a problem with religion in general though...as the corruption in the churches is abominable, they push people away and deny the truth to all who seek it, but that is in my opinion only. I believe in the fact that we need to love everyone like a brother and sister,the word love gets thrown around so much that I dont think that it holds much worth to say it....love is something that we should show and not say, I believe that if the world is going to survive the next decade, then we need to abolish the fear of the"bad" other people out there because they wear a turban or believe that we come back as goats or whatever...the government has alot to do with keeping us scared and keeping us insecure about trusting anybody who isnt"the same" as us...we need to think and express ourselves freely, in my humble opinion.
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teknix
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#12572410 - 05/16/10 09:56 AM (2 years, 16 days ago) |
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I refuse to take part in your psychological profiling.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: teknix]
#12574928 - 05/16/10 05:42 PM (2 years, 15 days ago) |
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lifeinallday
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: teknix]
#12574943 - 05/16/10 05:46 PM (2 years, 15 days ago) |
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teknix said:
I refuse to take part in your psychological profiling.
hmm, sounds like a reasonable idea. as for me... im out 
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a washed up crack head
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Sammy Agar
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Wow. Just came across this today and decided to read it.  Who would have guessed that some entity would be on here trying to get a psychological profile of the people who trade ideas here. 
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mogshroom
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You are free to frame your response in any format which makes sense to you, but if you are stumped, here are some questions to answer:
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I grew up very poor, and very anti-religious. My dad actually said I could join any cult I liked but was never to come home a Christian. We had lots of discussions about how we viewed things and ideas, and my mum's side of the family was very into the occult.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
Technically I am a high school drop out with only a year 8 education! I was always really really smart and really bored with school - I found if I wagged a lot it would be slightly more interesting when I went back trying to catch up on bug chunks I had missed. So officially I flunked year 9 and 10 for lack of attendance, though they put me forward to the next grade anyhow. I finally fully dropped out without attempting VCE. Later I attended Uni as a mature age student but again had problems with my attendance due to boredom and never finished my degree. I have made several abortive attempts to gains some formal qualifications but I always get too bored and stop going. I find that frustrating. I do a lot of reading and that is mostly what I use in my day to day life - the things I have learned myself through reading and documentaries.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
After a number of years drifting aimlessly I am now really happy working in the not-for-profit sector in the field of social justice. It's definitely a paycheck job but I enjoy it and feel good about what I am doing. I doubt I would work at all if I didn't need money!
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I have had several extremely profound religious experiences (unassociated with drugs) and developed my own religion when I was a child, and stuck with that for many years. These days I have a more Humanist point of view and have lost my previously Pagan leanings.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Entertainment - I can't stand being bored and have a really high value on being entertained, my friends are all incredibly entertaining people whatever else their charms may be.
Taking care of the ones I love - I am one of those people who express affection through loads of service and solicitude.
Security - I a tend to feel insecure and pay a lot of attention to getting and keeping my life as secure as I can.
Domesticity - I am a total home body and love just pottering about being domestic, cooking and cleaning etc.
Nature - LOVE being out in nature, plants and critters - it really helps to relax me.
I don't think my values are particularly remarkable.
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Hi, and now the pigeon done died and im the pigeon please put it bak now G body and reefernshrooms and bball hip hop 33 dmk25 puffyjiggy25 puffyjiggy4eva and babytiga are all the same person and is chinese. this guy is chinese i sew u not.
i brought the super nintendo to skool the kardboard one and i lost my teddybear in bushwick. i rather not type the next one due to the fact of too many faggots on the internet becuz of that. but it not might not be close to that.
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Joan
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Hmmmmmm.......faggots on the internet.....interesting....
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Quote:
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Hi, and now the pigeon done died and im the pigeon please put it bak now G body and reefernshrooms and bball hip hop 33 dmk25 puffyjiggy25 puffyjiggy4eva and babytiga are all the same person and is chinese. this guy is chinese i sew u not.
i brought the super nintendo to skool the kardboard one and i lost my teddybear in bushwick. i rather not type the next one due to the fact of too many faggots on the internet becuz of that. but it not might not be close to that.
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ReefeRnShroomS
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STFU who dong days why the fuk would i smoke wax in the bathroom for duh duh duh do you get that when i smoke a ciggarette eat food and do drugs that the girls don't look at it, yes this is true. you just did that to my buspar too you stupid fuk this is the final word of the day im talking about drugs on my cigarette you wont put it there, OH YOU WANT TO ACTIVATE IT? STFU stupid
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ReefeRnShroomS
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oh yeah and the cue ball thing, STFU. you only did the cue ball thing to one person you stupid, it's me 11 brook street.
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i use to live in new york now i live in massachusetts do you get the picture? and when i lived in new york and all those places my mom and sister didn't even look at it and now they're claiming i lived 20 some odd years in massachusetts, STFU
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ReefeRnShroomS
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I DID NOT TEACH THAT I SAID SO PUT IT BACK YOU FUKIN FAGGOT
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now this avatar bitch on cyph3r thinks that's showing off, you know what i say to that OH WOW WHO CARES, that's not showing off you stupid bitch you don't know shit, when you became the illuminati right? you didn't make it correctly. DUH!
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EL OH EL
Your posts are amazing, man. You are a modern day prophet.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: deCypher]
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I've met God across his long walnut desk with his diplomas hanging on the wall behind him, and God asks me, "Why?" Why did I cause so much pain? Didn't I realize that each of us is a sacred, unique snowflake of special unique specialness? Can't I see how we're all manifestations of love? I look at God behind his desk, taking notes on a pad, but God's got this all wrong. We are not special. We are not crap or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens. And God says, "No, that's not right." Yeah. Well. Whatever. You can't teach God anything.
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Do you feel blame? Are you mad? Uh, do you feel like wolf kabob Roth vantage? Gefrannis booj pooch boo jujube; bear-ramage. Jigiji geeji geeja geeble Google. Begep flagaggle vaggle veditch-waggle bagga?
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Counting the Waves
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Freedom]
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Indeed...
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I've met God across his long walnut desk with his diplomas hanging on the wall behind him, and God asks me, "Why?" Why did I cause so much pain? Didn't I realize that each of us is a sacred, unique snowflake of special unique specialness? Can't I see how we're all manifestations of love? I look at God behind his desk, taking notes on a pad, but God's got this all wrong. We are not special. We are not crap or trash, either. We just are. We just are, and what happens just happens. And God says, "No, that's not right." Yeah. Well. Whatever. You can't teach God anything.
~Chuck Palahniuk, Fight Club, Chapter 30
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lucydforme
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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1. I was born, adopted, and raised in an upper middle class family in the suburbs of New Jersey. My family has some wealth as we vacation every year, but we tend to conserve our cash as well. Both of my parents are roman catholics, my father served as an altar boy for his local parish while he was young, and my mom continues to regularly visit church every weekend. My parents were never big on allowing the ideals of anything other than Catholicism into my house, which led me to have a very secluded view on my religion/spirituality until i took a philosophy course in high school.
2. My school career is still in progress, and to this date I'd say it has gone fairly well. I enjoy the daily scheduling/routine, but mostly i enjoy the social interaction with others that schooling brings. As far as academics go, I would say that I have been disinterested, because the curriculum seems to be lacking challenge. A fine example of this was my sophomore year of high school, in which I failed the first 2 marking periods (intentionally), then proceeded to get A's for my midterm, final, and two other markings periods, ending my semester with a B+. As for every day life, school has helped in very subtle ways. I may know something from school, but be unaware of where I learned it. I'd say the most applied thing from school would be my Language classes.
3. I'm currently working toward my career of being a pharmacologist, with getting a Ph.D in Chemistry and either Biology or Psychology. Sadly, I have not been able to find a job locally that would enable me to practice my chemistry, but i just have to keep looking. Also, being unemployed blows. As for what I would be if money was never an issue, I would most likely stick with chemistry, psychology, or join the peace corps, all of which I would hopefully be able to help people in.
4. My general philosophy on life has changed greatly over the years. It began with a change in my religious views after my first philosophy class. From that point on, I have constantly reevaluated my ideals to what they are today, and what they can possibly be in the future. I happened to have multiple epiphanies while under the effects of psychedelics, in that I tend to enjoy simplifying things beyond what a normal person would. My first major one was with salvia in that I realized on my scale of exactly how insignificant my life is towards the greater picture of the universe. I first became interested in philosophy during my senior year of high school, in which I took a philosophy elective class, the class has led me to this point today, and I'm very happy that I became interested when I did.
5. My main value is happiness, I believe everyone should be happy, not in the sense of emotion, but in the sense of being. I am happy because I exist. On a daily basis I attempt to please others, so that they will become happy, I currently am attempting to create said happiness to my mother, who believes happiness comes from money. My values are complete opposite of society, in that I care nothing for money, fame, or power. I would consider being a happy, broke, peasant a better life than that of any thing else.
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Funny story, this whole "world" that we know everything about, well, that's all good and well, but we know nothing about the rest of that vast everything we call the universe.
Everything I say is heresay. All fiction for a fictional character.
Rule yourself, let no one else rule you. Down with government, and up with responsibility.
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Im from Ottawa Ontario. My family was kinda catholic and I went to a catholic school. After a few years in this catholic school I became a very serious catholic, more serious than my family. I was always the "smart" kid in school, spelling bees and reach ahead programs all that crap. Once I got to the age of 12 though I started rejecting my faith, slowly because I was what you might call a god fearing catholic. Felt alot of guilt and shame all those nice catholic feelings. By the time my senior year rolled around I was a pot-smoking philosophical calm person.
I'm most interested by the mind and dreams. I like to think we can shape our own destinies with our thoughts, you know the whole "The Secret" business. One thing that probably really fucked me up on this thoughts become reality way of thinking was in grade 10. I pushed carts at a grocery store and I remember for a week I kept visualizing money all shift every shift (It was a terribly slack job with no social interaction so all I did was think) and one day I found a bag with 3000$ cash in bills and rolled up coins. Eventually I realized I was being too materialistic, and this materialism sent me into a pretty deep depression.
I think I've had alooot of epiphanies, which is one of my problems I'm always searching for an epiphany some event that will reveal some secret knowledge that will change my life and send me into a world of endless happiness and abundance. Maybe Im bipolar or some shit who knows. For a year of my life I thought I was the next Jesus (privately not publicly) and one day I would save the world from chaos and its sea of troubles.
This is however one of my favourite epiphanies. It was the summer after grade 10 and I was at my cottage stoned pondering about life when suddenly I realized that trees must be the happiest of all life forms. All they do is grow and jizz (or reproduce whatever you want to call it) they accept everything and anything and they re beautiful, the lungs of the earth. They don't have the ability to cause harm. They are a natural shelter to tons of organisms. They do so much good and yet they don't really do anything at all. Got me thinking maybe the less we try and solve problems the more they will get solved and the more efficient and useful we will become. Another interesting fact A tree is in constant growth yet the growth is never visible or noticeable in the present moment. If we could all be as trees, extracting nutrients and other needed physical things from the earth subconsciously and without having to exert any physical effort we could support our consciousness and have ample time to develop our mind patiently and without frustration.WE WOULD BE SO FUCKING SMART.
Fuck I just rambled so hard but theres no way I'mnot posting this now that Ive been typing for like 20 mins
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: DizzzEAN]
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Who are you? Deep down you know precisely who you are. Whoever your hero's are influenced you to be like them. Then you have your more dominate personality traits. But who you really are is what you want in life. Your actions determine your direct reality.
Whatever you really want, is who you are. I want to be free from all that controls me negatively, so I can be happy. I suggest you take a stand against your own mind, and all the negative thoughts that are inside your mind; psychological warfare.
It's almost funny, but if you think about it so much of life is negative. Watch TV; the news is so negative. Read a news article about how most shampoo's don't have vitamins that reach your hair so you buy X brand that does. Or even better yet read a news article on the stock market about being rich buying X stocks that are going hit a downturn in the next few days which are overvalued. The world is full of people trying to bring you down, to make you suffer, make you pay. Take responsibility for your actions, control your mind, be analytical of everything you see, hear and take in.
The war is a daily battle. So many horrible people in this world. Only so many good people. Do me a favor and instead of bringing people down with negative emotions, do something to help someone. You will find that by helping someone, you received help as a direct result of that action. You can change you life into a positive reality where you can be free from negative emotions and be happy. Perhaps someday, we can cure evil once and for all.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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Alright, I've been here long enough to fill this thing out.
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was abandoned in the forest by my parents, where I was 'fortunate' enough to be raised by Ents. Just because you've watched a couple of hobbit movies doesn't mean you know shit about Ents. Not only was there no money, I was forced to believe in this 'spirit of the forest' crap, and I was always made fun of for not being a tree.
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2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
School was a joke. Ents are dumb.
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3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I work in a wood fired steam locomotive, splitting wood and putting it in the fire. Take that Treebeard!
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4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I've always known its a bunch of shit, but at the same time been irrationally optimistic.
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5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
See number 4.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#12944592 - 07/24/10 07:52 AM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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It is really interesting reading people's replies to this survey.
Here are my answers:
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
My family is jewish, my parents are religious but I am not at all. The only sign left of it is that i had half my dick chopped off...
My parents aren't educated to a high level but worked hard to make sure that my brother and I were. They didn't discuss philosophy or spirituality with us much though we both had a religious upbringing.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I was sent to a boarding school in England and then went to Oxford. I was very successful in class and was kind of fast tracked, with special classes in Philosophy from the age of 17. I was introduced to philosophy by a teacher when I was around 12 and he used to get us to write down our thoughts on different metaphysical and ethical issues. I studied Mill at school then at university studied a wide range of philosophy, Pre-Socratics, Plato, Descartes, Hume, Kierkegaard, Nietzsche. My studies haven't been directly applicable to working life but I have moved up the pay scale fast.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I am not interested in a career at all. I got kicked out of my first university for taking drugs and not doing my work so I had to go back again. It was half intentional because I really never wanted to just move into some career that takes over your life. I currently work for an internet retailer, the work can be challenging but overall it isn't something you would get excited about. I hope to write for a living eventually and work on that a lot in my spare time.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I was educated to have a very rationalist/scientific outlook on life and this remains, but taking psychedelics noticeably altered my outlook, made it wider. A girl I met at uni and lived with for 8 years studied anthropology and is currently doing a phd. She introduced me to a lot of books on small scale societies in the Amazon, Papua New Guinea and Africa with their completely non-rationalistic, magical cultures.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
My core values...Ethically, I feel that people should take responsibility for their actions as I feel everyone has the ability to creatively shape their lives. I am british and confirm to the stereotype of generally being polite, though I see this pervading into my ethical standpoint. I don't feel a huge responsibility for the lives of others but I will never actively attempt to cause anyone harm.
On a social basis, I believe in large government making sure that all sections of society have access to the benefits of that society and to prevent the accumulation of too much wealth into the hands of a few.
I believe that government should have no right to legislate on how people lead their lives as long as their actions can bring no harm to others. Therefore, I believe that all drugs should be legalised and their production monitored and checked for safety much as with alcohol. I guess this is self serving but it is stupid that I can get in trouble with the state as a grown man for doing what I enjoy and find fulfilling.
I guess I don't have a strong set of core values other than the desire to find interest in the world, to understand it and the subtle harmonies that exist even in the most mundane events.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#12946262 - 07/24/10 02:38 PM (1 year, 10 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Middle/lower class family money, christian parents, never discussed philosophy/spirituality/religion. started to intuit the idea in 2nd grade that most big religions were derailed by men to control men and so i grew up kind of atheist turned agnostic around middle school turned "spiritual" around college years (early 20s). alcoholic parents/incredibly unstable home life.
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2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
did very well in school when i tried, stopped trying in 5th grade. too easy, and intuited that something was not right with it. corporate training = no thanks. being a number = no thanks. spent all of my school years staying up all night on the computer learning how to program, make art, and writing programs to mass advertise and made lots of money, stuff like that. dropped out in 9th grade to persue these things more deeply, then got my GED and went on to college for a couple years. still feels a bit too simple and redundant and impersonal for any excitement. almost none of my education has found uses in my daily life, aside from maybe history and language. language and history are very important to better understand the bigger picture i guess, and they didn't really care about the bottom line, but more about humanity, so it made sense to me and i enjoyed them.
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3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
no career interests me, it seems like slavery and no matter how hard i try to justify a 9-5, i cant see myself ever learning how to adjust to it. however, i would feel very fulfilled and wholesome if i spent my life teaching, and helping, and mentoring, especially to kids who are in the same situation i was in.
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immensely. i first started in 2nd grade when the idea hit me out of nowhere that Christianity was possibly invented by some king somewhere to control masses of people, because people left to their free will usually just mindlessly chase things that are instantly gratifying, like quick cash (robbing) etc etc. and that some ruler somewhere in history realized that they needed to scare EVERYONE into behaving, or else groups of people will not function. but maybe that's because of the culture i grew up in (caused me to assume this was a trait of mankind, instead of our culture). so i grew up kind of bitter, and prickley. i argued with teachers a lot because i was sickened by the world i was living in, and eventually metamorphasized from an existential hopeless depressed confused young man in a strange unforgiving world to a warm, caring, and loving human being over the course of about 5 years. psychedelics quickly accelerated that process that was already happening, and really put the pedal to the metal.
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5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
my core values are obvious things that every person should automatically know, like don't do anything that hurts other people. that's about it. don't step on toes the best you can, and the rest is fair game. my values are kind of dissimilar to the majority, because of culture. government propaganda, media propaganda, all kinds of different forms of conditioning and behavior/thought control are not things i heed, and have always seen through them. i instead rely on what feels right inside, and it has never failed. this has caused me a lot of grief in life, kind of like swimming upstream the entire time. most people aren't interested in people who don't play the game.
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Enjoying the thread btw, it's fun to peer into other peoples' minds and see what you can come up with.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#13108900 - 08/27/10 06:27 AM (1 year, 8 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Born into a middle class family, only child. Named after "Matthew" from the Bible even though my parents are not believers. My mother being an atheist and my father being more of an agnostic.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I was always exceptional at school, for a while I was in a gifted and talented program that led to me being a year ahead of the rest of my peers, however the last couple of years of school went badly and I wasn't satisfied with my final grades. I haven't really made use of them either as I moved to Poland a while back, and only recently turned 18 (you must be 18 here to get a job)
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
Previously I was looking at getting a job in IT, but right now I really don't know what I want to do with my life. I feel like I'm 10 years old again, with too many possible roads ahead of me, not knowing which to pick. If I could choose absolutely anything, it would be a career involving the study or production of psychedelics - but that's a grand wish, and the chances of it happening are minimal at best. If I did not have to earn money I would pick the same thing, or any job helping other people.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I was always somewhat a believer, I believe I became a Christian at around 11 or 12, I followed the Bible, and prayed, but did not attend Church more than a couple of times ever, as I have always been against organised religion. Around the age of 15, I'm not sure what caused it, but some sudden awakening caused my to change my beliefs drastically, and I went through various belief systems before finally, when 17, only a few months ago - deciding on various beliefs, and not to follow any "religion" as such. I believe the "God/s" religions refer to are manifestations of the ego, applied to a universal "God" which is not human, humanoid, or a living being in the typical sense of the word. Through experiences with Ketamine I "witnessed" this "God" and my beliefs once again changed dramatically, my view of "God" is somewhat like the Buddhist view of all being mind, or the hermetic view of "The ALL".
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I'm going to steal a quote from the Chemical Brothers at the Coke Live Festival last week. "Love rules all" - that's my strongest belief. We are a loving, believing, beautiful race, but so often we suppress it, we suppress freedom, psychedelics, art, the mind, everything natural and true - and instead we propagate violence, greed, and lies. I always try to do my best to help people, to make others happy, and to keep myself happy. I believe the only laws of life are to love, and to abide by the laws of nature. Good/bad is all a matter of perspective, and as long as you have and give out love to others (without demanding to receive it in return) - you are a "Good" person in the traditional sense.
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I'd consider myself an artist, and I know I wouldn't be able to express my thoughts by trying to answer these questions with words, as they sometimes fail me.
i know, how contradicting.
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it truly is an illusion- your senses are just perceiving the varying vibrations in different ways- its holography; a representation.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: vulcAn]
#13277680 - 10/01/10 09:50 PM (1 year, 7 months ago) |
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First I must say that i love the feel this thread gives out. Thank you Veritas.
1) I can't really say I was brought up anywhere because we were always moving for one reason or another. It's something you get used to after awhile but I could never really make true friends to look back on laugh about good times past.
2) I love to learn. When i cant figure something out it frustrates me until i figure it out. I'm a hands on learner. I hate repetition because i have always been able to understand the material right away. although i was and am book smart, common sense often escapes me. and trust me i would trade the book smarts for common sense any day.
3) I am really interested in Ethical Computer Hacking. And yes there is such a thing. you hack into companies (w/ permission) to find weak spots and fix them before malicious hackers get to it.
4) I am agnostic. When i was little i had a strong belief in Christianity but it was because "that's what Mommy and Daddy do."
5) Because there are so many children in this world already that we can't take care of, I refuse to have my own children. I will not bring another child into this world when i can help one that is already here.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: jabber]
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My mother and father are both atheist, my father from Italy and
Is very set on family honor and my mother is from the east end.
I have been brought up with a lot of anti-religion talks and was
An atheist for 13 years. We were always poor,and I was the favored
child being first born.
I enjoyed school, always looking for something new.I discovered
Philosophy at 13 and started reading the works of Descates, Locke
and Kant early. My views were changed during thee next 4 years from
Atheist to Agnostic. I left school at 17 against my will and was
disowned by my family for it.
I studied Avo-nautical studies then and achieved a BTEC in it.
Later gaining a hospitality management and food hygine and safty
Qualifications I started a career in this sector and love it.
My philosophical beliefs have effected my life a lot, and my
Tutor who taught it me in school has become a strong friend
Who has suggested that I write my ideas down and see about
getting them published. My philosophical ideas are heavily influenced
By Decartes, Locke and Kant, taking a more of a symthosis of the two
bases of knowledge.
I hope I have made a little sence, if anyone has any questions ask.
(Just don't ask where babys come from, why the sky is blue or grass green please)
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#13413903 - 10/31/10 10:04 AM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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1. I grew up in an average middle-class, rural town in the north eastern part of the country. I believe there was a strong push for me to accept a divine entity, from various disciplines of Christianity. The Bible held no answers for my beloved dinosaurs, and I rebuked its scriptures rather violently. I suppose even as a wee lass I has incredibly fixed ideations, and that my passions were eclectic and uncontrollable. (Typical Sun and Pluto in Scorpio, Moon and Ascendant Aquarian)
2. I've often experienced a very hollow sense of belonging within my generation; I bond closely to those much older than myself and my dearest relationships have been with men. Elementary school and subsequent high schooling was dull, I was often absent, absent-minded, and difficult to direct. Currently I've branched into philosophy and film studies after years of a blossoming affection for cinema, and wanting to assert my natural curiosities.
3. Horticulture related gigs (hence a sly interest in illegal plants) have been the most prevalent. Brief spell of florist-ism, a season of green-housing, I've volunteered at food shelves, played piano in hospitals, hotel housekeeping, and currently have found a means doing respite care for the mentally disabled. I like beauty and my own species. Variety is sure the spice of life, and I feel satisfied bouncing around the line of hobbies/career. Though I would like to pursue film making, yet I don't have the finances to do so...dammit $$$
4/5. I am always fluctuating, well, floundering. I understand myself well enough that I know when I'm about ready to burst into another will-o-the-wisp-ing spell and I'll brace my body for the upcoming strain. My energy does run out, but I often forget that. I've dove off the cliff a few times, rushed off in lover's bliss, binged on misery, drank elixirs and sung in euphoria-everything so intensely. I always get a bucket of water in the face, and I always pause to ruminate and adjust my extremism. At my core I've developed tolerance and compassion for the ebb and flow of myself, and the tides of life itself. I haven't formulated any true beliefs regarding the order of the universe. My concern is more in appreciating the grandeur below our feet, and drinking what our experiences have to offer. Is it possible to have one's feet firmly planted on the ground and their head in the clouds? They must be either incredibly tall and lanky, or wise.
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"The greatest wisdom consists in enjoying the present and making this enjoyment the goal of life, because the present is all that is real and everything else merely imaginary. But you could just as well call this mode of life the greatest folly: for that which in a moment ceases to exist, which vanishes as completely as a dream, cannot be worth any serious effort." Ah! but I'm sure Mr. Schopenhauer didn't consider that the wise don't mind playing the fool...
My conscience will follow you forever if you meet me everywhere - Mr. Cat Stevens
No one I think is in my tree, I mean it must be high or low- Mr. John Lennon
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
My dad was a butcher after he finished his service in the marine corps, he also played in his and his friends' band "Just Us," (they opened for a lot of bluegrass bands). I was the first child, and after my brother was born, my father became a cop. We didn't have a lot of money. My mother was 17 when I was conceived, she went from job to job until she went back to school and became an RN. Later though, she was diagnosed with bipolar disorder and manic depression. She became very hateful (I only stopped having flash-backs a year ago), and she attempted suicide on multiple occasions. My parents divorced when I was 13. I grew close to my dad. My parents were very strict baptist christians. I went to church twice a week.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I didn't enjoy school until I started working out in the 7th grade. I got bigger, more confident, and (from what I'm told) fairly attractive. Bullying stopped being a problem after that. However, I always enjoyed learning. Physics team, first place in our region. My education has only had few applications so far. I've been paid to write in a local magazine in my home town, and psychology classes have helped me in social situations. But I'm still in college, so there's still time before I really have to focus on applying it all.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I'm very interested in audio/visual productions and nearly any field in psychology. I'm currently a student, working in retail. It's mainly a paycheck job, but I enjoy most of my coworkers . If I didn't have to earn money, I'd probably just travel, helping people that need it, meeting new and interesting people and enjoy whatever each new sight has to offer.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I was raised christian. I began to have questions of the nature like: "What about people that were born into other religions?" at an unusually young age (around 9-10). I became especially estranged from christianity when asking the questions I had would make my parents seem disappointed or sometimes even angry. I tried especially hard to understand their belief. As I grew older I kept my lack of faith in a kind of quiet shame until my lifelong friend admitted he felt the same, he told me while we both tried pot for the first time.  The internet became a necessity a while after that, and it helped me realize how not-so-strange I actually was. I remain an agnostic atheist to this day.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
My core values are:
See yourself through the experience of others.
Don't panic.
Think before you speak.
And dance. Yes. Do dance.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#13484204 - 11/14/10 05:22 PM (1 year, 6 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Pretty standard middle-class, southern family. Parents divorced when I was 10, my parents had enough money to provide but anything we wanted could be supplied by my grandfather(rich). My parents liked to say they were religious, as many in the south do, but we never really went to church. My mother and I discussed philosophy at times but I wasn't really very close to my father.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
Made good grades but hated every second of it. I am still a senior in high school so can't really comment on the last part.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I want to be a psychologist/psychiatrist (haven't decided yet). Psychology is something I have been very interested in for quite some time and I can definitely see myself enjoying it.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Yes. As a young child, I took what the church said at face value and was satisfied. As I grew older I started looking into more...unorthodox religions. I extensively researched Buddhism, Satanism, Wicca, as well as many Native American-esque religions (i.e Shamanism, gnosticism etc). I believe my first mushrooms trip when I was 15 led me to where I am at today spiritually. I wouldn't really say I belong to any organized religion but I like to think I've got "it" figured out.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Honestly, I don't really know how to answer this. I would say my most fundamental value would be to help others more than you help yourself. I consider myself a kind of "weird" guy, but in a good way. I am different from most people my age in my area, I don't enjoy going out and getting so drunk I can't speak every weekend. I would much rather just chill out with some close buds and trip or smoke some bud.
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"When shall I be free? When I shall cease to Be, no more I but We, in perfect harmony"
"All hail Discordia"
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MellowMood
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Blight]
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This is all a bit self involved.. I am me. Not much different from you... I could sit and answer and explain me...But experiencing is more relevant then explaining...
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TheKickingTree
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Quote:
MellowMood said:
This is all a bit self involved.. I am me. Not much different from you... I could sit and answer and explain me...But experiencing is more relevant then explaining...
I guess I'll just have to be you. Literally.
I'll try really hard. We'll see if that brings us any closer to an understanding.
FYI None of the posts that simply answered OP's questions were as "self-involved" as this statement.
"I am me." says every teenage girl with a myspace.
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CarolinaG
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hahaha I like that! "tired of pretending to not be crazy" its become more and more apparent that I am not sane in this "in-sane" society...
More often than not I wonder what the hay is going on... why its going on... how its going on... what is my roll in the whole "scheme" of things... i know... I like "quotations" hahaha
but just wanted to share my agreement with ya..
take care...
ps... if life suks... and is more alike to slavery... would it not be an insult to say to one "live long and prosper?" for who can prosper or would even want to live "long" in that type of a situation...
slavery is here... its just changed forms... and now were pretty much slaves to life... working to live...
we need to re-organize... badly
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[quote]Icelander said:
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Should have done this a while ago I blame laziness
First here's a bit of background on my journey from childhood to late twenties, and from what was taught to me about religion and the concept of god and my own exploration. Why did I move away from the faith system I was born into ?. Because I have belief in something more, and it's nature eludes me, and because my own belief is not enough, I need to know. Just like I need to know what is at the
fore-front of science and technology, I need to know what is possible / impossible. This is why conspiracy theories of secret tech or deity worship ping secret societies draw my attention.
I attended a Church of England primary school, from the age of four, up until the age of nine. We would have an assembly most days, where we would be told stories from the Bible and sing hymns. Other than that the curriculum was pretty normal. High school took religion out of the equation, although I made a good friend,who was a Jehovah's witness. We had some great discussions about god and religion and life. I would usually take the role of the evolutionist against his intelligent design. By the time I came to do my final exams (Gcse) aged fifteen, I had started to neglect school and was turning to drugs (alcohol,amphet,cannabis,lsd) and staying out all night with my friends. At this time the moral teachings of Christianity deserted me, but I still had my belief in something more. I was probably leaning towards reincarnation. Two years on this path, taking drugs (alcohol,amphet,cannabis,lsd,ecstasy,cocaine,crack,heroin) and disrupting society in many ways eventually came to a head and left me feeling that if I couldn't stop myself doing bad, I wouldn't do anything. So I isolated myself from all my old friends and basically lived in my bedroom at my family home with my mother and her boyfriend, and my brother and two sisters. This went on for three years, I didn't work and didn't venture out very often, but I spent my time reading books, from Erich von Daniken, Colin Wilson, Lyall Watson, David Hatcher Childress, Guy Lion Playfair, books on yoga, cabala, Buddhism, Islam, witchcraft and paganism. I also got very lost in the internet, so much information, so much disinformation, what to believe. I stabilized myself during this time of withdrawal and learned to behave in a way I chose and not that of the group, I also cultivated my individuality, something that had been neglected through my mid to late teens. Then at the age of twenty three I got a permanent full time job, my first ever and I found the changes I had made as a person gave me alot of confidence in social / work situations I continued to read about religion,spirituality, mysticism,pseudo-science and so-on, and started to experiment with psychedelics proper. I had been inspired to this when reading about Siberian shaman taking fly agaric, and about ayahuasca and peyote. I have maintained my reading and taking of psychedelics up to the present day, So I have gone from Christianity to ancestor worship and shamanism in the space of fourteen years. Am I moving in the right direction ?
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Mrbook7
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#13935467 - 02/09/11 05:36 PM (1 year, 3 months ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
My family was middle class when I was younger, but we are probably lower-middle class now as the family grew. I was raised, and spoiled, by my grandparents because my parents were "too young" to raise me. They brought me up in Christianity but it always seemed like grandpa wasn't that into it. Grandma was the moral center who led prayer and got me involved in youth groups within the church. Philosophy wasn't discussed at all and I still don't fully understand spirituality. I was really involved in church for most of my life. Up until my first couple years of college I went to church regularly and attending church events, especially youth groups. I eventually went to a church I found that was progressive compared to the Pentecostal church my grandparents went to. I became a youth leader my freshman year of college, and from then on I have become increasingly aware of the politics I've seen within the church. When my mentors are constantly changed because their word choice or political views don't mesh with the elders I feel betrayed that this good person was outcast. Since then I have probably come to call myself a scientist more than any other religious label right now.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I have loved my educational experience up until I graduated college. I was considered "gifted" from an early age and took honors through high school to earn some college credit. The best part about school was learning. I could spend hours just listening to a lecture that was interesting, or doing science experiments. The constant testing and preparing for tests ruined most of the rest of the time. I became disinterested in the future of my education when I was a junior in college. I finished a little late with a BA in Mathematics and have since spent my time trying to get by with my debt.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
The career I currently find most interesting would be a sustainable community engineer or something like that. I don't know if I really believe in careers, but I would also be interested in modeling data and information like Hans Rosling to help people see more of the world and to see it more clearly. I currently have a paycheck job as a telemarketer (a salesman) that I either loath or am indifferent to, depending on the day. If I did not have to make money I would devote a lot of work time to making electric vehicles, inventing a better battery, and trying to get as many people "off the grid" as possible. Also I'd probably teach myself some programming.
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Age: 21. I became interested in spirituality during college. I was depressed at this time because I was confused about my sexual identity and Christian upbringing. An old friend and I did mushrooms (that story is posted in the trip report forum) and I found Jesus. Well I found what I only called Jesus/God at the time because it was so magnificent I had no other words to explain it. Since then I spend a lot of time examining my thoughts, emotions, future, etc. and seeing what the rest of this world has to offer via these magic interwebs. I took a few philosophy classes in college to get acquainted with many simpler questions like mind/body, ethics/morals, and being a math major my favorite logic/reason. I would really like to go back to school but doubt I can find an affordable solution, since I also would really like to live on the smallest income possible. I think my main value is still helping people, I just don't believe everything that Christianity demands of Christians. I hope to continue to reevaluate my value system and to grow and change as I continue to learn.
I value integrity, though I really need to examine my integrity working a job I hate. I value comradery and humor. I like to be the guy everyone can count on for a smile or to make them laugh. Recently I have started to slip into nihilism though, like the rest of the world just doesn't get it. That it's all just one big joke and no one is willing or able to make a difference. I hope this isn't too similar to the majority. I would like to change my way of thinking, to be able to see the brightness even in the grimy things in life again...
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sixxy
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I was born to a midget Mexican hooker named Yolanda and sold for a pound of cheese and some toilet paper to some bean farmers when I was two. The bean farmers were kind and I spent my days picking beans and washing mules until I was 12. At 12 I joined the circus, where I was known as the amazing flatulent girl. I got my own trailer and everything, not that anyone wanted to share a trailer with me for obvious reasons.
It was a pretty lonesome existence until I met a noseless man named Bob. His stage name was "stump" due to the fact that he lost his limbs (and nose) in a freak jellybean explosion. He was just a torso and head...with the most beautiful blue eyes you've ever seen.
Bob and I fell in love and moved in together. We sold our homemade crafts on the Internet. We made fantastic star trek caricature figurines out of our own earwax and toenail clippings. You can find them at Bodyoozecreations.com
Sadly I lost my bob to a rabid ostrich who pummeled and stomped him to death as he lay in a hammock. I hope to find true love again as I wage my campaign against the ostrich menace.
that is the bio from my profile.
if you find it hard to believe I can tell you that my family were cajun drug smugglers, after a few murders and a trip to Guatemala I wound up in an orphanage then a series of foster families then a girls home, Im mostly self educated and after many different types of experiences, some painful, some liberating, all enlightening I take a shamanistic approach to my own life, an agnostic approach to religion, and a libertarian/constitutionalist approach to politics. I do a lot of conservation work, am a survivalist of sorts and a publish author and film producer, though I have done many things and havent quite found my "home".
one of those stories is absolutely true.
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deCypher
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: sixxy]
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We here at PSP are always willing to help against the rabid ostrich menace. I feel for you in these dark times. 
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ahchela
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Registered: 03/01/11
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The Giant Mole
The Village Schoolmaster
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: ahchela]
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I'm just a thought that someone somewhere somehow feels that I should be here.
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Kid_Orgo
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#14193998 - 03/27/11 06:28 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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1. Parents are lapsed catholics from poor families, agnostic and ambivalent. Both have gotten post-graduate degrees and are now in the top quintile, upper-middle class at the least. Discussion of religion was kept to a minimum, as nuns had beat the shit out of my Dad on a regular basis as a kid and felt it had done more harm than good.
2. Shitty student all the way through college round one, dropped out of college (chem major) first time (2003). Was miserable all through school, socially awkward, unsuccessful with women. Started eating lots of drugs around when I dropped out, continued on downwards for a while.
Got job in factory, went back to school while working full time for an electronics firm. Was laid off, went to school full time. Went back as a mechanical engineering student at a very difficult school. Worked my ass off, made Dean's list repeatedly. Now have great job.
The engineering outlook is my way of life and I use my schooling every day.
3. The career I've got interests me, I'll be in it until they pry my dead ass out of the chair.
It satisfies me as much as work should: it gives me plenty of money and enjoyment of my time off. If I did not have to work to earn money, I'd do a lot more cooking and fucking. I like working, though, it gives my days structure and my free time value. I would not live well or healthily if I did not have a fulfilling job.
4. I went through the same same kind of teenage nihilist phase a lot of people do, I thought I was somehow better or different. Was atheist and smug about it, thought of myself as a loner and thought I liked it.
Drugs didn't change this, just demolished some of my insecurities. My "mallrat iconoclast" outlook didn't explode, it just stopped being necessary over the years as a defensive posture. I didn't have to think of myself as a loner or an outcast once I started getting along with most of the people I met, and having better relationships
I gradually became aware that atheism was a flavor of faith, and that it wasn't for me. I'm a practicing Episcopalian now, agnostic and theist. I know God's existence is unprovable and could reasonably be presumed false barring new evidence, but I get enough benefit out of the ritual and community of my faith that I practice it anyway.
5. I want to be a good husband, father, cook, lover, and engineer. My core values, therefore are loyalty to family, professional pride, and a devotion to rational decision-making.
I can't pretend to know what the majority thinks, I care less and less every day.
The part that might not come through here but is perhaps most important is that I think that a lot of what passes for philosophy is hot air and superfluous words. I feel that if you can't explain your ideas clearly to someone that should be able to get it, they aren't worth anything.
I'm passionately against epistemological wankery: "Oh, well, nothing is certain in science because it's inductive." It is useless to speak of the uncertainty of knowledge if the rise of the sun tomorrow is subject to the same uncertainty: that is as uncertain as I need to be.
I believe that truth is what is falsifiable and unfalsified, and the degree of truth is the degree to which those things are true. That's a core belief, if not a value, but absolutely central to my being.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: elliev]
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Alright, it's about time I responded to this thread. I found the shroomery nine years ago and lurked about for a while, leaving and returning from time to time. This forum and its fore-bearers always interested me the most.
I've been posting a little bit these days, likely due to having a lack of social variety in my current physical location.
1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I grew up in the middle-of-nowhere, northern Ontario. When I wasn't at school or playing nintendo, I was out in the forest that surrounded my home. I picked mushrooms, climbed trees, built forts, rode my bike and watched strange things swim in the swamp. My most interesting neighbors were beavers.
My parents were raised on farms, thus we grew a massive garden. It always felt as though we had plenty when summer came. I brushed dirt off the carrots and radishes and devoured them. The family had enough money that I've never identified as being poor, though we were not wealthy. It just wasn't something I noticed prior to my pre-teens.
Later we moved to a slightly-less-rural area and much of my awe-full youth gave way to television and internet addiction for a time.
My mother was and is a church-lady. I attended church regularly until the age of twelve and self-identified as christian for a little while. My father didn't attend church and never really let on what his beliefs were when I was young. I never asked.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I was the smart kid, somewhat obsessively invested in school work for a while. All school-related stresses were self-imposed; my parents were supportive, but without applying any pressure.
The focus on good grades diminished proportionally to my growing interest in drugs in the later part of high school. I coasted through university to obtain an engineering degree. Half-way through, I seriously considered dropping out to study something with less practical value, though I'm quite glad that I didn't do that now. The solid footing in math, physics, logic and all things electrical is a blessing to navigating this life, and even to understanding human behaviour.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I'm working in a very isolated part of the world where I'm the only blond-haired man within many miles; part of a new career path I've taken on which is suited to my traveling ways. It is definitely not a paycheck job.
If I did not have to earn (much) money, I'd likely write and climb mountains much of the time, wandering between short-term international humanitarian jobs for the experience and to feel that I was contributing something to the world. Hey, wait a minute...
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
My philosophy is ever-evolving. I tend to lose track of who I once was... the person who made the choices that got me here.
I seek out rude awakenings and dislike periods of prolonged comfort. Having a history of delusional beliefs (don't we all?), I try to spot them quickly when they arise. This may have led to a few babies being discarded with the bathwater.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
These days I'm continually curious and laissez-faire, with the general intent of dissolving conflicts in my midst and leaving a peaceful wake. As much as possible, I want to create space for myself and others to learn and grow.
I hate to be wrong, which keeps me in my cave much of the time. This post, along with some worldly commitments and other writings which increasingly see the light of day, are attempts at clawing out of an introspective, self-editing sinkhole. Translation: I'm a loner, now trying to amp up the sharing.
My general values (ideals) are similar to those of most people I've encountered. What I recognize as valid and fruitful paths to achieve those ideals are dissimilar from many.
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mitten
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1. I grew up with my parents and siblings in an upper-middle class neighborhood outside of Detroit. Up until i was twelve, we never went to church or anything, until one day my parents just decided we were going to all go to church. I was baptized as a Catholic when I was 13. My parents are pretty religious and a little close-minded.
2. I really like school; i'm about to finish my third year of college. In high school I was an art geek and made it to the national level in an art competition. I was also in marching band and Girl Scouts (even in high school). I still like to go to school even though it gives me stress at times.
3. Right now I work as a cashier in a grocery store, I hate it, which is why I'm in college for journalism. Ultimately I would like to work for a newspaper or magazine. If I didn't have to make money to survive, I would just be an artist or perhaps move to northern California with my boyfriend and open a little sandwich shop near the ocean.
4. When I was younger I used to believe everything my parents and church taught me, however over the years I've begun to question some of it. I am afraid to question it though.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: mitten]
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this thread is a heaping mass of pretentiousness.
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[quote]Icelander said:
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Death anxiety? :flirt:[/quote]
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akira_akuma
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limestoneman
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
A: Well, I was raised into a middle class family, my mom was sorta religious for a while but that staved off later. My dad was never really religious.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
A: I hated school and I saw the flaws in it. I took what I could but they failed to teach me anything that would be of any use in a working class job. I had to teach myself most everything I apply in everyday life, or my dad taught me.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
A: I love being a working man. I enjoy working with my hands and heavy equipment almost as much as I love jerking off. Having a steady paycheck, working in a small group and using tools and heavy equipment is Ideal. I'll soon be going to college for welding classes
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
A: I've always known there was more to the universe than what they taught me in school. This became most noticeable when I thought "what if my blue is blue to me but through your eyes blue looks how I see red?" After that, my mind exploded with ideas. What ifs.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
A: Bros before hoes, don't bite the hand that feeds you, don't take shit from a government that doesn't care about you, learn as much as you can about everyone and most importantly, treat others how you wish to be treated.
All of these values came into my life through trial and error, if that makes any sense.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Was brought up in a rough community, but my parents generally had enough money. Dad was starting a Business so money slowly started to roll in. They tried to be religious when I was younger, I think that was mostly because of me and to get me into a Catholic School. They were simple people that followed the system, Dad still owes a Business and Mum is one of those General Business Managers for a large business.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
Educational experience was VERY mixed Primary School I was put into the special needs group until the end of year 6. Then I got moved into TOP CLASS in Secondary School when I went to year 7. I was pretty young still but I knew because of this one incident that the Education System is flawed! My school was full of kids that didn't care about education and were quite frankly extremely rude! I didn't and did care about education. I mean I want to learn about, what I want to learn about lol.
When ever something came along which I found interesting in class I'd be one of the top students for example Excel and Word when it came to IT.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
Business Business Business. I've had it around my life ever since I was a little kid. Business I've always seen as a game, my dad used to explain it to me as a game when I was younger so I'd understand it a lot easier. I'm studying towards my goal of owning a business. I made the decision to use most of my profit (If I make enough money) towards causes I believe in. Not necessarily "charity" as some I believe are bs. If I didn't have to earn money I'd most likely be in technology somewhere, working to help better the future.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I think life in general was my rude awakening about 2-3 years back, the news, and just everything I see in every day life. Just made me question everything and whether things could be better. I came to the conclusion that things can. But we all need to work together to do it, and whether that happens or not is a completely different question. My theory is we all die due to war and hatred or we all come together as one to make the future better for everyone! But the probability of War vs. Better future is 99% war and 1% better future lol.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I believe in Peace and Love. But I'm anything but a hippie.
I believe everyone can be helpful peaceful and loving towards everyone else. I can't be bothered to explain it but it is possible and I dont know all the answers, and I'm helping work it out in my own way lol.
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Psicodelico
Just another psycho
Registered: 01/21/11
Posts: 29
Loc: Brazil
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: JudgeDJ]
#14380711 - 04/30/11 11:56 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was born in Brazil in 1990 and lived a pretty good child-teenhood life without ever passing through major financial crisis. Although I studied in a public school for 2 years, which was extremely beneficial to me because I could experience the other side of the social 'coin', the rest of my education was in a catholic private school. My school, where I've met all my good friends, didn't emphasize much religious concepts which is somewhat surprising. My parents were divorced before I was born so my step-father, who is Jewish, my mom, who is Spiritual-'catholic', never imposed their beliefs on my younger brother or I, and that allow me to have a personal spiritual path only gaining from others' perspectives instead of following what anyone believed. I started to hated the church at a young age because after my grandpa passed away I went there wearing a hat and a T-shirt of a band called Planet Hemp and in the end I got yelled at by some old lady.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I was always one of the youngest kids in my classes because I skipped one grade, for reasons that I have not come to know lol, so I had a somewhat precocious teenhood with 90% of my colleagues smoking pot on 7th grade and psychedelics on freshman year in high school and forward. I hated 80% of my classes for I did not see practical usefulness for all that overwhelmingly amount of school work. However, today I appreciated all I've had because I know that I could easily be in the midst of the majority low classes in Brazil which have an extremely weak school experience or no education at all. I see that everything I have come to learn was thankfully to my family, so I can't complain.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I'm current taking sociology in a college with a scholarship for playing soccer. So, I'm between following my major going to a grade school deeply on sociology, and in an intellectual lifestyle, or taking further a sports management minor that I've earned on this college as well. The second option would guarantee me a decent quality of life with good monetary rewards, though no social contributions whatsoever. If I didn't have to earn money to live I'd travel around this fcking planet and meet as many people, societies, universes as possible.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
Absolutely, I can say what firstly opened up my perception of reality was the Zeitgeist movement, which I'm part of, showing me that governments and the modern-industrial-military complex is not on the side of the people. Also, people have been conditioned to believe that there are such things as democracy and economical free market trade, of course all nonsense which doesn't theoretically correspond to reality. So, since 2001 after the 9/11 governmental conspiracy, I have been developing my spirituality somewhat in humanistic ways so I can relate to the masses rather to the false propaganda in which the mainstream media tirelessly vomits into people's faces creating false needs. I try to find a balance in the midst of the current chaos in which dualities become increasingly exposed, personally I can clearly see when a person has negative or positive tendencies, but again all these are results of long term conditioning, because in fact human behavior is easily shaped and quickly changed once TRUTH is exposed. So yea, I believe that psychedelics are an important tool through this transitional socio-political path in which humanity is evolving to.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I try to stay away from consumerism, although I live in the heart of the capitalist system which is NY. I also try to live a calm life without getting aggravated or whatnot so I don't reflect my insecurities or frustration on other people. I live in a peculiar college environment with lots of different ethnicities and, in almost 3 years, it has been the most life changing experience of my short life. So in 'my' reality, my values do not correspond to the 96% of the majority. Unfortunately, we (humans) are loosing the battle against ourselves, in a sense that we have forgotten that we have a lot more in common than we'd think. We are killing ourselves for meaningless reasons driven by ego and power. I do not expose my values and beliefs as much as I wish because ppl around me hold on so tight to what they believe that it's extremely frustrating. For instance, I've tried to persuade 'friends' to try taking psychedelics and I was rapidly dismissed. It's like they are not ready to be exposed to this kind of experience, like 100 years ago any individual wouldn't be capable to understand the internet. I have a feeling that all this has a purpose of slowly evolving to a true civilization which all peoples would be seen equally, instead of judged and discriminated for physical differences.
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A human being is a part of the whole. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings, as something separate from the rest - a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison - Albert Einstein
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Blondell_Letrange
No other.
Registered: 11/08/10
Posts: 418
Loc: OZ
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#14463822 - 05/16/11 05:37 PM (1 year, 15 days ago) |
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No one special.
The specifics of my story may be constructed and ordered in a unique way, but the pieces themselves are not unique to me.
I experience the need to be an individual while paradoxically yearning to belong, just like everyone else.
I am fatigued, perhaps cynical. Life makes me weary yet I wont die, but when I do I will feel deep regret.
*edit: swapped an "and" for a "but"
amazing.
Edited by Blondell_Letrange (05/16/11 05:39 PM)
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Zpw
The looker
Registered: 05/23/11
Posts: 573
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Born to a single mom with 3 kids at 22. She did great back in the day we were always happy, now we have a nice house but no spending money. My dad on the other hand has done his fair share of drugs and drinks alot, can't keep a stable job and has kids with a bunch of different girls. One of my brothers is in foster care, so i have no contact with him. But I definately don't judge my dad at all, life is hard and idk how people do it. My family isnt very religious, goes to church on christmas and easter, or when my grandma comes down and makes people lol. we never spoke about religion or spirituality too much.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I was a troubled kid but didn't really know it, I got expelled once in junior high for pick pocketing a guy and twice in high school, once my freshman year and once my junior year when i came back, for drug related things. Education never meant shit to me but now that I am getting older I realise how much I should have payed attention and stayed in school, because community highschool is a joke. Atleast where im at.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I am pretty bi polar with everything I think but i have wanted to be a counselor for troubled and suicidal teens in the past I am not working in this career and i am not sure where im headed in life but i hope its good. If i did not have to earn money I would probably travel the world experiencing other cultures and lifestyles, and trying to help people.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I go threw alot of stages with my though patterns and how and why I want to live. Spirits and LSD make me think deep about my beliefs, I am not sure what I believe though.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
I believe in bringing awareness to everyone about how corrupt our world is and the evil that is everywhere. I try not to let it get to me but IDK. I think the majority of people are sheeple and I or we should help them truely see what's going on. I don't talk about this much to people accept when we are all drunk because people tend to judge me as stupid or crazy.
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legit27
iStoner
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Zpw]
#14505925 - 05/24/11 05:23 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Well since i'm new to this forum, as i usually post in the pub. I thought it was only appropriate to post in this thread. I am a bit high, so i won't be able to go in much much detail into who i am but i though i'd answer these questions.
I lived with my grandparents when i was small, but still saw my parents. Have always been middle class with money. When i was 10 i was living with my parents full time, and still am. I love them dearly and they give me much freedom, and have always understood me and accepted me no matter what. They taught me to be open minded and think for myself, which i learned to do over the years. Although i was raised catholic i grew out of that when i was 13, was a hardcore atheist until about 15 when i discovered all kinds of philosophy and eastern religion. I am now trying to get more in toon with my spirituality, and have been dipping my toes in buddhism.
Well i am 18 and just graduated high school, i'm taking some time off before i go to college. I never really liked school, and i barley got by. I have ADD and it's always been difficult to do much of anything without meds. Which i refuse to take. But i do have potential and am smart.
I do not have a job right now, but am looking. Just for a paycheck to make some money for drugs and the essentials. I'm very interested in psychology, sociology, philosophy, astronomy, meta-physics, and cosmology.
At about 15 i became interested in philosophy/spirituality very deeply, and have been searching for everything ever since then.
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rational
Analytic
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: legit27]
#14511888 - 05/25/11 07:52 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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I'll answer the series of questions at another time but I've only been on the forum for a couple of months but haven't posted much. I'm a girl in her early 20s born to African parents and just wants to find happiness on her own terms. I tend to let others' opinions of myself and my relationships dictate how I make my decisions. I don't want to do that anymore and just make decisions for myself that reflect my feelings and personal beliefs. I have a tendency to push people away without realizing it and I'm in love with my ex
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nikegurl192
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i think the biggest problem with people butting heads on this forum has to do with issues of equivocation and the differences between continental and analytical philosophy.. when people think of "philosophy" the knee jerk reaction seems to tend towards the continental, which is more subjectively focused and socially structured whereas analytical deals more purely with the idea of logical abstracts and debate
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Two_Swarm
1+1=3
Registered: 06/08/11
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#14582531 - 06/08/11 09:47 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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I Am Who I AM. THe I, Id Ego superness, well. What am I? I'm here then, right here right now, in this essence of existence once more experiencing saliva and taste and senstation through my body. I'm tired, on the erge of breaking through, and interested in the sociological aspect of agriculture and the edible mushroom idealism.
If organic agriculture is underfire, I can't imagine what the best of the best mushroom growers are provinding thier familys. If a person were to combine the agricultural benefits of living in the south and modern filtered water, there can be plants, animals, and bacteria/fungi in substantial ammounts.
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sigma_zero
internet Jedi
Registered: 12/08/10
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Sex machine.
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mundane
Comfy in Nautica
Registered: 08/05/09
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Loc: Los Angeles
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I was born in 1982 and raised in a very soon-to-be-affluent part of Southern California, a couple of blocks from the beach. I'm the youngest of four, and everyone went their separate ways when I was 11, 12. Both parents worked in a Catholic school, so I went there. I was raised Catholic in that way, though neither parent was particularly religious and we didn't talk about God at home. We were middle class and lived in my dad's parents' house.
I went to the Catholic school through 8th grade, and reaped many of the benefits of a private education. Then I went to a public high school in an affluent city, so the education was nearly on-par with private. Private college for undergrad (USC), a professional degree after that (UCLA). I loved school when I was going to it and wanted to keep going, but having not yet found what I want to dedicate my life to, I haven't bothered returning for a Master's. I don't currently do anything involving my degree, aside from enjoying movies (film major).
I always wanted to work with animals, and that's what I do. I love my job, and it's great because I get to spend all of my time with my dog, who's pretty much the world to me. It's not academically challenging, but I do other things to remain a lifelong student. If I didn't have to work for money, I'd travel, take psychedelics, and write about it. Maybe work on a documentary.
Catholicism never had entirely too much appeal to me, though I do think it did some psychological damage to me when I was younger (all of the repression and self-punishment). I stopped going to church when I was no longer forced to through school, but didn't totally abandon all of its ideas until in my early 20s. I had nothing for a while, but now I have faith in the unfolding process of everything that is. Call it "god" or whatever. That's come more recently, with my conversion to psychedelic drugs and meditation. I can't remember ever not being interested in ideas and philosophies, though I wouldn't say my interests are "spiritual", but more practical and logical.
My core values are to first do no harm, and to live and let live. I'm uninterested in the lives of celebrities, I don't follow much pop culture, I don't own a video game system. I'm a vegetarian and I try best to buy cruelty-free products. I vote for peace and personal freedom. But I recognize the inherent hypocrisies in these values within modern American society. I'm still somewhat of a materialist, but I make a real attempt to be decently green (yes, another loaded word). I think that my values of peaceful coexistence are shared by most people, but it's the ones who aren't into it who make all the fuss and make things worse for the majority.
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GuruBushHippie
MountainMan
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#14662738 - 06/23/11 09:34 PM (11 months, 1 day ago) |
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1. My family is in the public education system so we’ve always been middle class. My parents and most of my extended family are Christians so there were never philosophical discussions at home, but neither was there ever much talk of their Christian beliefs. I became interested in philosophy at a young age and have been a card carrying atheist for some time now.
2. I was lucky enough to be in public schools at a good time, especially under Clinton, right before public education became such a standardized and otherwise brainwashing affair like it is today. I had interests in History, Science, and Literature. At Appalachian State University I studied Sociology and Recreation Management (Outdoor Experiential Education.) Until the time I decided to get a rec degree I wasn’t using any of my sociological knowledge practically.
3. I want to be an outdoor guide to be general. I’m a dish washer now so who ever will hire me first wins, I want out of that stupid restaurant. The jobs I’m after are very much satisfaction jobs, but most of them will pay the bills as well. Outdoor Experiential Ed very similar to what I would be doing regardless of whether or not I needed money. I’ll be in the forest till I physically can’t get out there and assuming there will still be others who want to join me; I’ll be guiding them.
4. The first time I tripped really hard on acid I stopped believing in “god” as a religious entity and began believing in a “grand totality” type of idea, though at the time I had no idea what Buddhism or Taoism was about. I learned of these things in much detail in college via a few classes and outside research that continues to this day. I consider myself a zen atheist and find my “god” in the wilderness.
5. I believe in being honest. I believe in staying true to one’s word. I believe in respecting one’s self as well as others. I believe in respecting the Earth as our nurturer, not as our property. I believe one should always take time to play, up until the day you die. I believe in embracing life at all times and living it to the fullest whenever possible. I believe in always remaining respectful of the chance you could die anytime, but not living in fear of death.
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"Place yourself in the middle of the stream of power and wisdom which animates all whom it floats, and you are without effort impelled to truth, to right and a perfect contentment." -R. W. Emerson
"I was right in the middle of a fucking reptile zoo, and somebody was giving booze to these goddamn things. Won't be long now before they tear us to shreds." -H. S. Thompson
  
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Midnight_Toker
Strange
Registered: 09/26/10
Posts: 4,072
Loc: Canada
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I'd tell you who I am, but I think most of you would try to prove me wrong.
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baltazar
Quiet dreamer
Registered: 02/23/04
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1. I would describe my childhood as exactly right. My parents were not rich, but one could say that they belonged to the wealthier average. They were not overly religious, they didn't hide their religion from me, but they also didn't force me to accept it just because they are part of it. I think this was an important component in my development, since I was encouraged to seek my own answers and find my own truth.
2. I was good at school and I enjoyed learning. Over the years, I've had many different interests. I tried to make the best of them, to learn as much as I can about every aspect and field of knowledge I was somewhat more interested in. My education greatly influences my daily life, and I continue to seek new knowledge and work on my education. I don't think I will ever stop with this process.
3. Since my childhood, I have been interested in science and exploration, and that is what continues to be one of the highest priorities in my life. At the moment, I am a student, and, one day, I hope to get a chance to work in the domain of scientific research.
4. I've had several changes in my personal philosophy and spirituality over the years. I came to this community at a relatively young age. At that time I was mostly interested in the psychedelic experience. I've never had much success with growing, but I managed to get enough to allow myself to experience the "magic" of psilocybin. I think that was a very important event in my life, as it opened my eyes to peace and love in a way I couldn't imagine before. It also amplified my interest in science, which gave me a new breeze of motivation, a new aspiration and wish to do as much as I can with my life, with hope that, eventually, one day, other people could also benefit from my work (in a scientific context). However, I am not the type of person who could incorporate psychedelic experiences into everyday life, so after my initial experiments with mushrooms, I decided to leave that part behind me as I felt that I already learned the most important things that I could learn from this type of experience. After that, I continued to work on my education, and my motivation is still strong, as it was after the initial experience. I still return here from time to time, as I feel some strange connection to this site, and the people here - something similar to how I feel each time when I walk into a vast mountain forrest during late summer, a feeling of respect and wonder.
5. I would like to mentioned two important guidelines: "live, let live, and do not harm" and "don't do anything to others, what you don't wish for yourself". I try to be good and kind to all people and try to help whenever I can. Unfortunately, not many other people live by these rules, so it is sometimes hard to live by them, even for me, but in the end, somehow I always hope that maybe my behaviour will influence other people, in a positive way, so that others will also choose peace and love, over conflict and hate.
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KahTahToe
Stranger
Registered: 05/08/11
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Loc: Michigan, USA
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
#14806933 - 07/22/11 02:43 AM (10 months, 4 days ago) |
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1. MY upbringing? Upper middle class. I grew up in a pretty traditional Muslim household. My parents moved from Jordan and both of them speak Arabic. I was raised with them speaking it around me. Therefore I can speak and understand Arabic but cannot read and write. I've talked to my parents a few times about philosophy, but not much.
2. TBH The first thought that ran through my mind when I read the first part of this question was, "Fuck School." Elementary school sucked horribly. I went to a charter school 35 miles away from where I lived because of my fathers occupation location. Middle school was a drag. I hated all my teachers with a burning passion. I got all A's up until 6th grade. From then on until the end of my 2nd year in high-school, I was really slacking. The 2nd Two years of high school were a breeze and I got good grades. (Just finished my final year of HS) I honestly think knowledge is the key to life and that every bit of knowlwdge can be applied in some way. shape, or form.
3. Chemical Engineering. No. I don't work. I would work as a Chemical Engineer for free as that is truly my passion.
4. HA! Whose hasn't? I'd actually really like to meet someone who holds the same beliefs as they did when they were kids. So my answer to the first part of this question is Yes. I started to reconsider my values my freshman year in high school. ( Up until then, I was pretty much a goody goody two shoe) I started regularly smoking weed. Everyday after school I would smoke Black and Mild's with a good friend of mine. This friend later became my sober sitter for my first trip later my freshman year. I think what happened is the psilocybin planted a seed of ideas in my brain ( Sorta like inception) and as I grew older the seed grew into organized and developed thoughts on life. The sentence before this one I am not serious. There is no literal seed in my head that grows. Not that I know of at least. I'd say I got interested in philosophy when I was 14 (First Trip) and even more so when I was 15 (First LSD Trip).
5. Finally. My core values? Never trust, Never take things for granted ( I try not to), Never change who I am for another(exception: true love.), Love , Never regret (I think everything happens for a reason). Well lets see I don't really trust anyone. Except for a select 4 people. (No , they're not family, lol). I try to be very appreciative of what I have. I have not experienced true love. Though I desperately want to. I try not to regret, but I can't help but feel bad for the friendships I've lost.
For the last part of the question, dissimilar. Why? I don't consider myself "normal". I feel like my mind goes through a different thought process then the people who are considered "normal"
That was fun xD
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As if the trees, the sky, the rain were hugging ever so passionatley.
A distortion in one's perception, A bond closer than that of a baby and it's mother.
To dismiss the past, and reminisce on the present,
To seek what our purpose is on this ordeal we call life."- KahTahToe
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birdland
Registered: 07/24/11
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
Well my parents split up when I was 2 and I mainly grew up with my mum. She is pretty wealthy and money has never been an issue for us, however that's not to say it's been a perfect household. She has suffered depression most of my life and I can't help but feel this must of rubbed off on me too as I have also suffered on and off from when I was 12 to now (I'm 19). Neither of my parents have ever been religious but they never really talked philosophically with me, my mum does talk about her dislike for religion though.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I pretty much hated school and life in general from years 6 - 10 as I was bullied excessively and had near no friends at school. Not to mention life was horrible at home and I was kicked out by my mum and lived with my dad for a while. I was on the verge of killing myself as there was nothing to live for. I feel like I am a pretty intelligent person but I always found it hard to put in the work required for school. For this reason my grades did suffer and my marks would average mostly B's up until moving to my new school. This all changed however once I moved to a new school halfway through year 11 and made lots of friends and met heaps of nice people.
Once I moved schools my life took a turn for the better. I became less depressed, I took up subjects I actually enjoyed and I made a lot of friends. Throughout my final two years of schooling (11 & 12) I received many A's/A+'s and I even scored in the top 2 percent of the state for my English exam (strangely, the subject I put the least effort into). I finished school in 2010 and next year in 2012 I begin my university degree in music. It's hard to say if any of my schooling is really applied in my day to day life. I believe English did help my writing/analysing/debating capabilities a lot but as for the three music subjects I took, well not yet
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I currently work night-fill at a supermarket. No I am not satisfied with it it's a horrible job, COMPLETELY pay-check orientated. I have to ride home for 50 mins after finishing off a 9 hour shift at 2 in the morning, it's freezing cold and pouring down rain.. I honestly couldn't be looking forward to getting a car anymore than right now.
As for the future? Well I hope to teach music privately (instrumental lessons) sometime soon as I feel I would really enjoy that, and it would pay better than my current job anyway. After my studies I wouldn't mind taking up session work as well if I became a versatile enough player. Another option I have also been considering is music therapy. My two favourite things in one - phycology and music
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I suppose I first became interested in spirituality at the same time I became interested in psychedelics. My upbringing was very much non-spiritual and it is a recent interest I have yet to fully delve in to. All I can say at this point in time, is I like to question EVERYTHING. Every single opinion, fact, theory, etc. I Question it all - I believe curiosity is the key to great intelligence.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
My values have changed a fair bit over the time I suppose. Once thing that has always stuck is treating people kindly and fairly. That is probably my most important value. I went through I faze of not giving a shit about myself or society (same time I was suffering quite severely from depression) but I'm quite the opposite now. I no longer feel any need to vandalise or steal. In particular, I despise lying.
Anyway a few other core values include:
Being generous - I like to share and help others out when they need it.
Not following trends - Nothing good will ever come out of that, be yourself.
Respecting others opinions - Even in such an advanced society as today's, people seem to really struggle with this one. Chill out bro
And many many more.
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Abu
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: birdland]
#14825326 - 07/25/11 10:41 PM (10 months, 16 hours ago) |
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
My upbringing was structured around the phrase "Do as I say, not as I do" so naturally I became familiar with the word hypocrite.
My family had the ability to make a decent nest egg but always seemed to lack the motivation..its like they figured the snowball would just keep rolling from momentum without any help or even guidance. Procrastination seemed to be genetic when I was a child.
Religion was always portrayed as a societal requirement. My grandfather preached but Ill never know if he believed it. From what Ive gathered he was a survivor, a hustler of his time. Personally I consider myself agnostic. I believe that if you have to offer a reward for mankind to be decent and good then it defeats the whole meaning heaven.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
I enjoyed school and still do. I doubt Ill ever stop going, or I should say, learning new things. I'm addicted to knowledge in a sense.
I was academically oriented until they implemented the "No kid left behind" policy. It all lost its point, if I could still graduate w/o going to class then why bother? Still got into college, even graduated early, and all while only going maybe 2-3 days outta the week.
Like I said, I'm addicted to learning, and I only bother to learn info that is usable in my life so, generally speaking, I use it all eventually.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I'm currently pursuing a flight license and would like to open up a little skydiving school in the near future. I love to fly but I believe that it all come back to me just loving to travel and explore. There are so many restrictions due to suspicions and risks that the ability to fly seems pretty close to total freedom in the physical sense.
If I didn't need money I would travel. deep sea diving, mountains, jungles, space, you name it. I've got an idea that when I die I want to mummify my body, have it sealed up air tight, and launched into space so that no matter how far mankind travels into the void or how many colonies we start on other worlds I'll have been there first haha.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
I became interested in philosophy intensively in about the fourth grade when I was washing my hands in the restroom and looked at myself in the mirror. It was like a crude realization; I'm alive, this is my body, it does not define but I am bound to it. I never knew why it happened, I hadn't given any extra thought to the idea of religion or god at the time that I can remember.
My first milestone that ever made me restructure my beliefs was right before I started school. I was coming home from a daycare and I had asked my mother something, knowing the answer, and she answered wrong. It was then I realized that my parents didn't know everything. Now, of course, I realize every kid goes through this in one way or another. Of course I wanted to test it out, like all kids I was curious what my limit were. My tool was dinosaurs, a childhood fascination that's been passed on to my child. I would tell my parents random facts about dinosaurs with made up names and they would brag to their friends about how smart I was becoming and blah, blah, blah. It seemed innocent at the time, but later I realized it had only showed how easy they were to manipulate.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Values: Karma can be a bitch, religious deities are a necessity of mass psychology so its rude to discuss religion, and everything is connected in the biosphere of life in the universe.
I believe in the idea that everybody is essentially a good person. (Doesn't mean I'll ever trust you or even want to meet you)Even though everyone, and I mean everyone, acts on the ideas of self improvement in one way or another for every choice they make, they usually stem back to some basic good intention. But as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions lol.
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Abu]
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I had, for the most part, a very happy childhood. My sister was nine years older than me so from my earliest memories I feel as if I'm an only child with 2 mothers. I guess you could call my family upper middle class for my area. I never wanted for anything and was lucky enough to be one of the first families to have internet access WAYYYYY back in the early nineties so I consider myself more internet aged than most people 30ish in my area. My core family is not religious at all, the only explanation I got for this was "we had plenty of church-going as kids." But my grandmother was deeply religious and took me to many back-room snake-handling type churches as a child. You know, the kind that if you cry for any reason they drag you to the front for an "anointing." I cried only once and that taught me to never show fear in church again.
My parents aren't philosophical in the least. They treat anything of a thinking nature the same as they treat religion, they pretend it doesn't exist. They never divorced, are still married, still live in the same house so I'm luckier than most to have such a stable upbringing and foundation to return to in times of trouble.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
My educational experience was rocky to say the least. I started out as being labeled "bright" then my 3rd grade teacher seemed to fuck that up for years after. She favored extremely ugly girls and boys, all others were put in a group labeled "bluebirds" and sanctioned off to a corner of the classroom where she didn't have to look at us. I learned nothing the entire year, was paddled over ten times, and still have a math phobia.
I was sexually molested in 6th grade, so I'm told, I have succeeded in blocking out that entire year up to the point of getting a new teacher that I loved. I had to testify in court and I have sketchy memories of being terrified in a chair in front of huge audience and being asked really embarrassing questions. I also hate court rooms to this day. So that was another year of school where nothing was gained other than mistrust of male teachers.
High school was much better. I became a fundamentalist xtian though so I didn't get to enjoy it as much as I should have. I didn't even lose my virginity until I was 19 and at that point I was begging someone to rid me of it. I was a mediocre student but managed somehow to squeeze out with a 3.0. College the first time around was short lived and I joined the army soon after. I'm currently back in college majoring in social work and I'm enjoying the experience intensely. I love learning, I've even gotten over my debilitating fear of math somewhat.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
Well, social work obviously. I plan on working with mentally retarded adults when I'm out of school. I worked as a caretaker of MR adults before I decided to make it my career. It's extremely rewarding and not a sad, soppy job like most would imagine. I would choose to hang with MR adults over "normal" people any day. They don't judge and they're always happy to see me. It's a joyful job and I would probably do it even if I didn't have to earn money. I worry they're not being treated right and I know that when they're with me, they're safe and not being abused.
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
My philosophy and spirituality haven't changed as much as my various bouts with religion. I was fundamentalist xtian as a teenager, then turned into an atheist when I started having "not nice" feelings for my same-sex best friend that was also xtian. I joined the army, bought some books, and became wiccan. I remained wiccan for about ten years I believe until I started probing ceremonial magic and darker paths. I consider myself pagan, just a catch all term I guess.
In the words of Marilyn Manson or whoever he took it from, why do I need to be "saved" to go to heaven when all I have to do is be myself to go to hell? I stopped subscribing to xtian ideologies when I had the epiphany that a benevolent god wouldn't create an individual then shun that creation for being what he/she/it created it to be. Now I'm of the opinion that religion was created to control the masses, nothing more or less, so I hate all established religions for that reason. I don't need a religion to be my opiate, I can buy/find my own thank you very much.
However I do believe in a creator that transcends all thoughts and religion. Like a massive collective consciousness. I believe all deities are reflections of aspects of this creational force and valid thought-forms since so many people put so much thought toward them, my longtime favorite being Hecate. Eh, judge it as you will. Just the same as praying to some magical Jew.
My philosophy has basically remained the same, every being deserves love and respect unless proven otherwise. I'm a big pushover and let people in when I shouldn't, but I have clean conscious knowing that I gave someone ample opportunity to not be an asshole/ax murderer.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
Well, I value my family of course. I try to be the best and most stable parent I can be without losing my identity. My kids are blissfully unaware of most of my hobbies/interests/activities and they will stay that way until the age of 18. I might share some of my weathered knowledge of the world then.
I value knowledge above anything other than my family. I love to read, research, and learn. I wound up here while researching mushrooms I discovered on my lawn, not looking for anything psychoactive (I hung around and found out this is the place for me, hands down, I can be myself without having to restrain myself the way you have to on most boards, but I digress). I should have been a scientist. Anything I find out in the wilderness of my backyard I must identify and take detailed pics to make identification easier.
I also value nature. I am a tree-hugging, crying indian, activist hippie when it comes to nature. It must be preserved and respected. I am at home in the woods. I could probably live in a tent long-term.
So that's me in a nutshell I guess. I'm also 5ft 7in, a scorpio, and I play guitar when I'm drunk. I hate beans and love sushi. I'm also a girl, I forgot to mention that I guess, lulz.
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I Am you and YOU are ME and WE are ALL Together.
When someone asks Who You Are, Do not say a Word
because Who You Are is not in Words Words Words.
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A spirit on a human journey
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Post deleted by sonoffoxReason for deletion: not staying...too much negativity here.
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"Surprised, are you? Yes, I am extra, a gift, superfluous to the necessary, a proof of the generosity concealed in everything." ~Doris Lessing
"I searched for God and found only myself.
I searched for myself and found only God." Rumi
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"Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself, I am large, I contain multitudes." ~Walt
"Surprised, are you? Yes, I am extra, a gift, superfluous to the necessary, a proof of the generosity concealed in everything." ~Doris Lessing
"I searched for God and found only myself.
I searched for myself and found only God." Rumi
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When I've noticed this thread in Philosophy, Sociology & Psychology, I expected to find here a kind of philosophical discussion, not ordinary questionnaire...
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Quote:
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Muffinman1552 said:
I Am you and YOU are ME and WE are ALL Together.
When someone asks Who You Are, Do not say a Word
because Who You Are is not in Words Words Words.
loved this! is this vid you? thanks for sharing!
as an aside, as true as this is, we are all playing the game...we can quibble about the rules, but the game is worth playing if you remember it is a game, no?
No the video is not me. I felt that it applied well to the thread, and it is one of my favorite video series on youtube.
I know all the Mind games, and i have no qualms with the rules.
I am however reluctant to Play with my greatest of tools.
'Lest I misuse.
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a shell of a body...i still am not sure who.and why im here..
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Re: Who Are You? [Re: Veritas]
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1. What was your upbringing? Did your family have money? Were they religious? Did they discuss philosophy and/or spirituality with you?
I was raised by my parents but my dad was abusive and a drunk, we had alot of family problems so they divorced when I was 7, we still saw him on the weekends but I never really liked him much because I was sort of different from everyone else, being an aspie I naturally enoyed reading, roleplaying, games, etc etc. He told me I wasn't a man and that I had problems, this most likely led to my distrust in humanity, mainly in men. We were Christians and they actually made us go to Sunday school, I was kicked out though because I just couldn't take the stories seriously and would make remarks & snicker away at it. Didn't really teach me much tbh, I mean after I was older he would provide me with motivational talk & whatnot which was appreciated, but for the most part I learned all about philosophy/life on my own.
2. How was your educational experience? Did you enjoy school? Were you academically-oriented, or disinterested? How much of your education has found application in your daily life?
To put it bluntly, it was an utter disaster. I didn't like school, didn't like the concept of having to wake up early in the morning to stay at a place I didn't like with people I didn't like. I was the misfit just kinda drifting along people not really making a lasting mark. I was kind of a classclown & didn't really take it seriously, I would skip alot so I finally got kicked out in 10th grade & ended up getting my GED, now I'm starting college in May & cannot wait so stoked. I also taught myself about metaphysics, poetry, guitar, quantum physics, philosophy, etc etc. They all are essential to my daily life.
3. What career interests you? Are you working in this career now? Do you feel satisfied in your work, or is it mainly a paycheck job? What work would you do if you did not have to earn money?
I quit my job at Panera Bread because I couldn't take it anymore..way too boring & Americans are so rude when it comes to food, like people are starving does it matter if you have to wait a whole extra 2 mins for your salad prick?
4. Has your philosophy/spirituality changed much over the years? Have you had epiphanies or rude awakenings which led you to reconsider your beliefs/values? At what age did you first become interested in philosophy/spirituality?
My philosophy on life is that we must all become & act like birds flying across the sky & surviving the stormy winds & experience all we can while we're up there...I'm an existentialist, and it is very important for me to recognize that I'm the one in cruise control & noone else can stop me from pursuing my goals/passions in this absurd world we all take part in. I meditate almost everyday & I like the moralities expressed in the bible, I try to be a nice person, although sometimes its hard...sometimes I feel like we have to look out for numero uno once in awhile. I had an epiphany while high on LSD that technology has basically consumed our lives & that its sort of made us numb inside, I mean there are probably billions of people playing games/watching tv at every moment, so much creative potential lost there, everything in moderation I say..this came forth after hanging with a friend & all he wanted to do was watch tv & play stupid games on his phone while tripping, like cmon, ended up leaving after an hour.
5. What are your core values? How are these values expressed in your daily life? Do you feel that your values are similar or dissimilar to those of the majority?
My core values in life is basically learning as much as I can while I'm alive, knowledge is everything. As well as expressing your creativity in some way or another, I feel it has really helped me evolve as a person & has changed the way I see the world permanently. No, I don't believe most people feel this way, I wish they did so I had more people I could relate to, but its just not going to happen...its like noone wants to think anymore, I think too much...just trying to evolve into a better person.
Sorry for the bump btw...it seemed like a cool thread.
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I see a glass that's twice as big as it needs to be.”
- George Carlin
“I’m an egotist, but I’m not selfish. There’s a difference. I’m a neurotic, I guess. I can’t stop thinking about myself. It isn’t that I think myself so important... I simply can’t think about anything else, that’s all. If I could fall in love with a woman that might help some. But I can’t find a woman who interests me.”
― Henry Miller, Tropic of Cancer
"To care only for well-being seems to me positively ill-bred. Whether it's good or bad, it is sometimes very pleasant, too, to smash things."
-Fyodor Dostoyevsky
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