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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: blewmeanie]
    #9531542 - 01/02/09 10:42 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you ever get around to watching "a man from earth"?




I just got around to finishing it this morning. I thought it was very gripping, it really captured my attention. Good story too.

I've seen Eraserhead, it's pretty weird.

Scanner Darkly is a great movie.


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #9531878 - 01/02/09 12:06 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #9531929 - 01/02/09 12:28 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I just rewatched Waking Life again last night. What a great movie. It's more like a drug than a movie. Wiley Wiggins the movies main character is really cool and sometimes answers emails. He was also the kid who gets paddled a lot in Richard Linklaters other movie Dazed and Confused.

I highly recommend the almost impossible to find film called "Mindwalk". I think it is only on VHS tape format but is pretty engaging. It takes place in a Castle on some remote island that is accessible during low tide. Involving a Poet , a nuclear physicist and a burned out politician.


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: altershroom]
    #9532032 - 01/02/09 01:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Mindwalk is also a favorite of mine.  From Philosophical Films, "Mindwalk is a film that is so cerebral that it loses most of its audience in the first half hour."

It is only on VHS.  http://www.amazon.com/Mindwalk-Liv-Ullmann/dp/6302670306 ; New copies are as much as $135.00

For a review:  http://www.philfilms.utm.edu/1/mindwalk.htm

Like all philosophical movies or head movies, it's philosophically flawed.  Not much can be done about that with the current state of philosophy.  :ohwell:


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #9532041 - 01/02/09 01:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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blewmeanie said:
Did you ever get around to watching "a man from earth"?




I just got around to finishing it this morning. I thought it was very gripping, it really captured my attention. Good story too.

I've seen Eraserhead, it's pretty weird.

Scanner Darkly is a great movie. 




Yeah, I stumbled across it by accident, and didn't really expect much from it. I was really surprised they were able to make such a fantastic, and yet simple movie. The drama they managed to create from nothing more than simple dialog is amazing.


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9532048 - 01/02/09 01:07 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Correction:  Mindwalk DVD  14 bucks, get 'em while their hot.


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9532269 - 01/02/09 02:02 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

there is another movie i remember where some guy just walks around an island and talks with wierd people about stuff.

i don't remember the name though and to be honest it was very boring.  they were aulstrailans.

man, one thing about scanner darkly pissed me off insanely - the sound and music.  scanner darkly is supposed to be dark and depressing, but they put all these like "boing" sounds effects and general goofy shit in there soundwise, which really doesn't work considering the movie is animated.
honestly that bothers me alot about the movie, i feel i would like it much better if they got the sound and music right.  the radiohead in the film was good but they used alot of songs that were not right for the moment (but not always).

IDK, i'm hella pissed off they would do such a good job otherwise and fuck up such a relatively small but important detail of not making the sound goofy.


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
    #9537150 - 01/03/09 10:32 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Nice find. I am going to have to order that.

True some of the movies philosophies are either out of date or flawed. But not as bad as that fucked up movie What the bleep Do we Know?


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #9537434 - 01/03/09 12:01 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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scanner darkly is supposed to be dark and depressing




No it isn't.

What I like about the book is, that it is very funny, with loads of goofy moments (the bicycle scene for instance is lifted from the book nearly verbatim, as is most of the crazy broken logic dialogue between the main characters). Without it, both the book and the movie would turn into a preachy moralistic snoozefest like Requiem for a dream. The main characters of Scanner are funny and intelligent. This makes seeing them lose it all the more tragic. Depressing music would be out of character.

If you haven't already, read the book. You'll see that this is a very faithful adaptation. If anything, the humor has been toned down in the movie. Philip K.Dick was even more ruthless about making fun of these broken people than Linklater was. This is understandable. Dick had earned the right to do it since he was one of them.

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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #9538003 - 01/03/09 02:14 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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posting for threading  :hatsoff:



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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: bryguy27007]
    #9538116 - 01/03/09 02:39 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

i don't know, i never saw the book at humorous.  i saw all that being stuck in shitty paranoia drug confusion land.

so you could imagine why i would be a little pissed they made it humorous.


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #9539078 - 01/03/09 05:10 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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i don't know, i never saw the book at humorous.  i saw all that being stuck in shitty paranoia drug confusion land.

so you could imagine why i would be a little pissed they made it humorous.




I always found it to be hilarious. Junkies are actually pretty fucking funny, if you view them from an absurdist standpoint. Dick and Vonnegut wrote about many of the same themes, especially the theme that comedy and extreme suffering are bosom buddies. Read Breakfast of Champions. Or Slaughterhouse five. Or better, Catch 22. Dick intended the novel to be funny, because the incredible energy of young people on fun drugs generates some whacky humor (among other things, of course).


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: kriminalelement]
    #9540707 - 01/03/09 10:11 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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Dick intended the novel to be funny




I sure as hell hope so

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I kind of based my life round that fact


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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: Ferris]
    #9542671 - 01/04/09 08:55 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

nah i think you guys are pretty wrong it wasn't meant to be funny.  All those junkie scenes are supposed to be dark and confusing/paranoid.

the scene where the guy is read his sins for eternity is supposed to be matter of fact suffering...

look at the little thing he wrote at the end of the book.

  look at this wiki quote

"Because of its semi-autobiographical nature, some of Scanner was torturous to write. Tessa Dick, Philip's wife at the time, once stated that she often found her husband weeping as the sun rose after a night-long writing session."

and i'm pretty sure i've read an interview where he says its his darkest novel.


lol, funny that you guys would interpret that as humor.

thanks kriminal, all those books are some of my favorites.

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the movie would turn into a preachy moralistic snoozefest like Requiem for a dream




the book is supposed to be preachy and moralistic.  he specifically states that in the epilogue or prologue i forget which.
and requiem for a dream wasn't about drugs or moralistic.  there was actually a thread about requiem for a dream recently where i mentioned the same thing and found a quote from the director that explicitly stated as such to back up my interpretation.

i find it pretty startling at how people can miss interpret things and miss the point.

edit: another philip k dick quote about scanner darkly.

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that anybody who ever read A SCANNER DARKLY would never drop dope as long as they lived. In it I had all my friends who are now dead or crazy from dope, sitting around laughing and talking, you know, and then they all go crazy and die. It broke my heart to read it, it broke my heart to do the galleys. I did the galleys two weeks ago, and I cried for two days after I did the galleys. Every time I read it I cry. And I believe that it is a masterpiece. I believe it is the only masterpiece I will ever write.




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Re: movies similar to Waking Life? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #9542694 - 01/04/09 09:06 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Salo

It's pretty much the same as Waking Life except it isn't animated.

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