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OfflineAlCapwn
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The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher.
    #9512741 - 12/29/08 04:52 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

A wise man sprinkles his experience on the world.
A philosopher gathers as many sprinkles as he can.
A wise man uses metaphors, short poetic words of wisdom.
A philosopher is precise, meticulous and never satisfied enough with his knowledge.
A wise man belongs to the world.
A philosopher is someone to whom the world belongs to.

Philosophers are often wise, and wise men are often philosophers, as the open mind and the jaded heart both appreciate knowledge AND wisdom.

Philosophers and Wise Men are both equally welcome here, and each play their own important role.

redgreenvines is a good example of a very wise man. I have yet to find a great example of a philosopher on here, although there are plenty of which to chose from.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #9512770 - 12/29/08 04:58 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

what then, to you think of me?


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: Mitchnast]
    #9512787 - 12/29/08 05:04 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't know, I'd need to study your habits.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #9512792 - 12/29/08 05:07 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

hmm no simple task to be taken lightly.
maybe i should post more :smile:


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #9512796 - 12/29/08 05:08 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #9513228 - 12/29/08 06:40 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

But

A philosopher is precise, meticulous and never satisfied enough with his knowledge.

I do not agree, I don't think knowledge has all that much to do with philosophy. I think a philosopher spends time refining the way they experience reality through introspection and meticulous thought and that factual knowledge isn't neccesarily important to the act of philosophizing. I do think a stable system of logic and reasoning are neccesary, but I would hope such a philosopher would understand their limited capacity for knowledge.

I just don't think the two are directly correlated.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #9513276 - 12/29/08 06:49 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I would rather say that philosophers are people who ask questions about everything, trying to understand, to explain, and so on.

A wise man is a man of wisdom. What is wisdom? Knowing what is good, knowing the Good. No need for questions.


The links between these two could be the following :
-The philosopher wants to become a wise man.
-The philosopher denies the existance of Good, and therefore of wise men.
-The wise man is the opposite of the philosopher. One has found what would be called the Truth, the other is searching.

Of course, if you take the word "wisdom" with a less rigorous approach, the wise man is just a smart, experienced person.

To me, there are of course philosophers, but no wise men. There are no evidences at all. Also, there is no Good in my opinion, no Truth.


So, there are many philosophers, who are people who confront the difficulties they find; that's the difference they have with ideologists like most of the anarchists, or Voltaire. And no wise men.

At least, this is my opinion.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: Kukaracha]
    #9513321 - 12/29/08 06:55 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

At least, this is my opinion.

I like it and your style. :thumbup:


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #9514108 - 12/29/08 09:28 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: fallguy]
    #9516569 - 12/30/08 06:46 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

I think being a philosopher is about seeking a new understanding. It says nothing about the standard of understanding that has actually been achieved.

Being a wise man, on the other hand, is about practicing a certain quality of understanding.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #9516604 - 12/30/08 07:25 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

A wise man has long white hair.
A philosopher has short neat dark hair and a goatee.

A wise man has no vices.
A philosopher smokes a pipe with cherry tobacco.

A wise man likes robes, capes and other loose-fitting & flowing garments.
A philosopher wears a tweed jacket with suede elbow patches & corduroy pants.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9516615 - 12/30/08 07:33 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

and if you catch a 'wise man' smoking from a long pipe, he is probably actually a Wizard.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9516622 - 12/30/08 07:39 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

Hey! I like corduroy pants.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #9516659 - 12/30/08 08:14 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

The difference may have more to do with ease of projection enabled by these traits than the inherent qualities of the traits themselves.

Without defining "wise" or "philosopher" we have yet defined characteristics of each that show differences. A Wise Man is presented as a character, Philosopher as another; this kind of archetypal argument seems easily corrupted to the favor of one of these Men over the Other, or at least an overly reductive classification.

Wise seems to me a word too general and too universally self-appropriated to narrow its scope to those who radiate calm, quietude and belonging. We see a man without tics or discomforts, a man who artfully says what cannot be contested, and see in him a reflection of a long-sought truthful peace of mind. We see a man awkward and lost, his head in books, electric with abstract theories, and see in him a general malaise, a reflection of our own fretful and distracted states.

The wise man belongs to the world; yet it is not ours to say which is the world to belong to and which is not. Indeed we might say the more "wise" man has a stronger internal control - possession - over the world around him than the philosopher.

Poesy may be a concise way of expressing a profound feeling, but its vagueness and ambiguity may be unwise for describing specific concepts. Experience can enrich wisdom, while it may be wise to forgo other unnecessary experiences.

I don't mean to deconstruct any sentiments, only to remove a kind of linguistic barrier created by these decontextualized delineations.

RGV is a wise man, there is no question, and a brilliant one. Yet I would not hinge this judgment on his particular style of posting, his confidence nor even on his particular way of viewing things; I see everything he represents, and every way in which I respond and take delight in his words and ideas, and recognize wisdom.

Perhaps what I mean is that wisdom is not possessed, and that the adjective might be misused in attempting to separate those who have It from those who don't - I feel the definition of "wise" is appropriately (and wisely) vague enough to be used for anyone.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #9516744 - 12/30/08 09:16 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

hey,

that's so sweet!

anyway, these days, ahem, I only wear Japanese denim - Naked and Famous, from Montreal.
it contrasts well with half grey hair, and is not too bad with Heelys.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: AlCapwn]
    #9516843 - 12/30/08 10:06 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

No wise men here, just wise asses.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: Rev. Morton]
    #9516865 - 12/30/08 10:20 AM (5 years, 6 months ago)

yet there is a oneness between a man and his ass

edit:
even if I am occasionally wise-ish (and my ass is not much to speak of)
I am not a dependable resource:
i.e. please do not expect that comments I make are good ideas to be incorporated into your private lives,
i.e. Naked and Famous Skinny Jeans do not look good on everyone,
and Heelys are ridiculously dangerous, and half of what I say is a joke to keep OC amused,
or to flirt with the moderator who has a titillating history to dream about, or to hassle icelander about his impending death, or aggravate Noteworthy who read the whole dictionary again last month, etc.


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9518099 - 12/30/08 03:10 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: Rev. Morton]
    #9518157 - 12/30/08 03:21 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

All we are is ducks in the wind. ~ Kansas

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Re: The Difference Between A Wise Man and a Philosopher. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #9519160 - 12/30/08 06:43 PM (5 years, 6 months ago)

:heart:

Just the kind of things we need here in P&S, so don't leave.


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