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    #9285870 - 11/21/08 01:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Welcome to the Shroomery message board.

First of all I'd like to welcome you to the interesting and rewarding world of mushroom cultivation and I hope that all the other members can help you out in this new experience.

I'd like to give you a few pointers on the main site in case you haven't explored it properly.
From the mushroom cultivation section you can access many written documents explaining all the things you will have to do to grow many kinds of mushrooms, including edibles and Psilocybe Cubensis. Please bear in mind that some of these teks (as we call them) can be outdated, so make sure you read a couple of them explaining the same procedure you want to do and check that there are no inconsistencies. If there are, come strait to the mushroom cultivation forum and ask.

If there are words you don't understand feel free to check out the Shroomery glossary for the definitions of those words.

Now back to the forum. There are few rules in the Mushroom Cultivation forum, but breaking those rules might mean your thread gets locked and we wouldn't want that would we.

The main ones to keep in mind are:

- No asking for spore trades. There is a special forum for this called the Marketplace and if you stick around for 90 days and make at least 50 posts you will have access to it.

- Absolutely no asking for spores if you live in one of the US states where spores are illegal. You might even get banned for doing this.

- No posting of non-sponsor links of mushroom related stuff. You can mention non sponsor products, even ask about them, but no linking. A list of shroomery sponsors can be found here.

The only other thing you need to keep in mind is that you should try and write your questions clearly, and make sure the subject line explains what your post is about or you won't get many answers.

One last, but VERY IMPORTANT item. Every question you may have has probably been asked about 5 times in the last week and 100 times in the last month. There is a very useful search engine which will save you the hassle of having to type up a question yourself and get you an answer much faster.

In the next post I am going to overview the main cultivation procedures and try and help you make up your mind on which way you should go to grow.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9285872 - 11/21/08 01:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

So, you want to grow mushroom. But where do you start?

There are two ways to go about growing and they depend on one thing only: Do you own a pressure cooker?

Pros and cons of both methods.

Method 1

Pros:
- Very easy to do
- Can be done with or without a pressure cooker
- Produces enough shrooms for you and your friends
- Relatively simple setup and does not require expensive materials

Cons:
- You won't get huge yields
- Requires vermiculite which can be hard to find in some areas

Method 2

Pros:
- Produces higher yields
- Materials to be used are available anywhere

Cons:
- Requires a pressure cooker
- Can be more expensive if you don't already own a pressure cooker but is as cheap as method 1, if not cheaper, if you own one already
- Is a little more complex so there is more things to go wrong if you are not careful

In both cases the most important rule is to FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY. Do not try and make modifications until you have more experience, as that increases the risk of something going wrong dramatically. If you have to make changes because of available material, make sure you ask on the forum before you do so, just to check if it can be done, and how it should be done.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9285876 - 11/21/08 01:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

METHOD 1 THE PF TEK


The PF tek is a system of growing mushrooms that has been around for a few decades and was developed by Psylocybe Fanaticus, hence the name.

You will prepare jars full of vermiculite and brown rice flour on which the mushroom will grow.

The steps are as follows:

1. Prepare your jars and inoculate(inject spores) them
2. Wait for colonization
3. Place in a fruiting chamber
4: Harvest and enjoy

The procedure is very well explained here and in other articles in the basic cultivation guides section of the site and can also be seen as a video here so I won't explain how it is done, just give you general tips for each step of the procedure.

Just read the above mentioned articles first so you will know what we are talking about.

1 PREPARING JARS


Make sure you don't overdo the amount of water you put in the jars. The proportions are 2 parts of vermiculite 1 part of brown rice flour and 1 part of water, but I recommend you add just a little less water to avoid over wetting your mix, as it will slow everything down considerably and maybe even stop growth.

FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS EXACTLY. Procedure is critical here.

2 COLONIZATION


While you will read about incubators and incubation in many places for your jars, this is not at all necessary if your house is in a normal temperature range (above 65F) Incubators add cost to your setup and can increase the contamination rate, as the higher temperatures also increase the growth of contaminants that might not have grown if you hadn't incubated.

If you really want to incubate do not have temperatures above 80F. The values given in many teks of 86F are outdated and optimum growth is attained at around 80F. This is because the jars produce a little heat which brings the temperature up to the 82-3F optimum.

BE PATIENT. While growth can be seen after a few days sometimes, it can take a week or more to see anything.

3 FRUITING CHAMBER


A new development since the original PF Tek is the Shotgun terrarium. It is called this because it has lots of holes so it looks like someone fired a 12 gauge shotgun at it :evil:

Here are instructions on how to make one.

For good pinning (pins are baby mushrooms) you need the correct pinning triggers that tell your cakes to start producing mushrooms. The most important ones in order of importance are

- Full colonization. Once the mycelium (that is the white stuff that produces the shrooms) has fully colonized the cake it will know it is time to fruit.
- High humidity. It has to be over 95%, ideally 99% for PF cakes
- Fresh Air Exchange A.K.A FAE. Mushrooms need lots of fresh air. You need as much as you can without reducing the air humidity
- Light. Mushrooms grow towards light. A few hours is enough and they need some dark period too. Most people go for a 12h light 12h dark regime. Indirect sunlight is best but close second is a CFL (compact fluorescent light/energy saving bulb) in the daylight(also known as white light or around 6000K) range. Do not use a normal light-bulb as they produce the wrong kind of light and produce way too much heat.

DUNK AND ROLL: This is another addition to the standard PF tek. Basically you dunk your cakes in water for 12 to 24 hours (to replace water lost during colonization) and then roll them in DRY vermiculite, place them in the fruiting chamber and mist them well (the verm acts as a water reservoir). A search will give you more info on this procedure.

One last tip. I recommend you place your cakes close together in the fruiting chamber. That way the humidity coming off them creates an even better micro-climate for fruit growth. Here is what it would look like



This post explains the procedure plus another very interesting one.

4 HARVESTING


Pick fruits just before or just after the cap opens and the veil at the bottom of the cap tears to avoid spores falling everywhere and making a mess of your fruiting chamber

Make sure you learn to make spore prints as you will then become self sufficient and not have to buy spores each time.

Also, if you do decide to make spore prints please consider donating some to the Free Spore Ring as they try and make spore prints available to everyone for free and rely on donations.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9285878 - 11/21/08 01:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Method 2 Grains and Bulk Growing


In this way of growing you first have to prepare grains with a pressure cooker as your growing medium and then decide if you fruit them directly or use them to make a bulk grow

The procedure is as follows

1. Prepare Grain and inoculate
2. Colonize
3. Prepare and spawn to your bulk substrate
4. Colonize
5. Case
6. Fruit

Basically you use your colonized grains as what is called spawn to introduce mushroom mycelium into a substrate that can be prepared easily in big quantities (hence the bulk part) by pasteurization not sterilization. This allows you to grow much larger amounts of mushrooms with not much more extra effort. Examples of bulk substrates are straw, horse manure or coco coir.

While spawn is normally colonized grain, you can actually also use broken up PF tek cakes, and if you have been patient enough to read all of this you have just discovered the way to grow in bulk without using a pressure cooker (as the pressure cooker is required to prepare the grains, not the bulk substrates)

As before, there are many teks written about how to do these procedures and I will just give you a few tips on each step.

1. Prepare grains


You can use different kinds of grain for this, but favourites are Rye, Wild Bird Seed and Corn.

Here you can find instructions on how to prepare the grains.

One of my favourites which isn't in the section above is the way RR prepares his rye

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My rye tek. I haven't posted this here in awhile.

Measure out your organic rye berries from a health food store, 1 cup for each quart jar you intend to make. Place them in a large pot. Rinse the heck out of them. Fill the pot with hot tap water, shake and swirl it around and pour it out. Do this three or four times until the water you pour out is clear. You'll be able to see when you have nice clean water to pour off instead of water filled with chaff and dirt. You want to now cover the rye berries with three times as much water as you have rye. Use half coffee(or less) and half plain water. In other words, if you have two inches of rye in the bottom of your pan, you should have six inches of water/coffee above that, for a total of 8 inches. Add one tablespoon of gypsum to the water and stir well. Leave this to sit for 12 to 24 hours.

After the soak, add water to nearly fill the kettle up, but leave room at the top for it to boil. Stir well and set the pot on the stove. Bring to a boil. Boil for ten minutes, then, WHILE BOILING, drain the contents through a very large colander. (spaghetti strainer) If you're making a large batch, you may need more than one colander. Tip the colander side to side to get the rye to drain as much of the water as you can. Then, shake the colander in order to 'toss' the grain. This will cause a lot of steam to rise from your rye. Do this a time or two, then let it sit for five minutes, then repeat. When all the moisture that will drip or evaporate from your rye has already done so, load your jars. The rye should look and feel dry to the touch when you load the jars. All the moisture you need is inside the grain. Fill jars no more than 2/3 full if they are to receive grain to grain transfers, or no more than 3/4 full if they are to be inoculated by spore syringe. Use a lid with a synthetic filter disk, polyfill, tyvek or similar. Cover with foil and PC the jars for at least 90 minutes at 15lbs. When the jars are cool, they're ready to inoculate.



2. Colonize the grain



Do not shake your grains just after injecting spores, wait until around 1/3 of the jar is covered in mycelium before shaking it.

Once you have colonized grain you can skip the next step and just case it and fruit it directly if you want to, but by using it as spawn you will increase your amount of substrate dramatically. Using the recommended 1:4 ratio will mean that 1 pint of grain spawn will become 5 pints of colonized bulk substrate (1 pint grain + 4 pints substrate) with just an additional weeks wait.

3. Preparing Bulk Substrate and Spawning


Here is the info on how to prepare different bulk substrates. There is a lot more info doing a quick search using the search engine.

IMPORTANT. Bulk substrates are PASTEURIZED not sterilized, as sterilization increases contamination rate dramatically.

A NOTE ON COIR: Coco Coir is processed coconut husk also used for plants. It was thought until a few years ago that is contained no nutrients and was a good casing (next section) material. Now we know that it actually does contain nutrients and is a good bulk substrate. So if you see any casing instructions using coir, try and avoid them.

I recommend you do not leave a layer of spawn on the top of the bulk substrate once you mix it all as if it dries out it can become a source of contamination.

4. Colonize bulk substrate


Here you will have to choose what setup you decide to go with.

The most common are trays which go into a normal fruiting chamber or into a Martha (plastic greenhouse) or a setup called a monotub. A quick search should give you loads of info on these setups.

Another good tip is to line the bottom of your container with a sheet of black plastic from a cut up rubbish/trash bag. This helps prevent side and bottom pinning as it sticks to the substrate as it shrinks.

5. Casing


To case or not to case, that is the question

Some substrates such as horse manure and coir will fruit well uncased, but all bulk substrates will benefit from a casing layer.

Here is the info on how to prepare a casing layer.

Another fantastic thread on casing is Hyphae's Pinning Strategy

6. Fruiting


Depending on your setup you will have different kinds of fruiting chamber. One important thing to remember is that pinning triggers as mentioned in the previous post that covers the PF tek still apply, but humidity should be around 90%.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9285881 - 11/21/08 01:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

All that is left is for me to wish you good luck with your endeavors and once again welcome you to this amazing community.

I hope this has been a help to you.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin] * 1
    #9285894 - 11/21/08 01:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Well, that took me a couple of hours to type up, but I had wanted to write up something like this for a long time.

All suggestions are more than welcome.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9285910 - 11/21/08 01:43 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nice job. :thumbup:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: J3illy]
    #9285935 - 11/21/08 01:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hella sweet. This should definitely be a sticky thread, and many noobies can be referred to this.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9285962 - 11/21/08 01:51 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome. This is just what I've been looking for. Thanks!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: IncredibleEdible]
    #9285972 - 11/21/08 01:53 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

IncredibleEdible said:
Awesome. This is just what I've been looking for. Thanks!



Glad to help. It is for newcomers like you that this was typed up.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9286121 - 11/21/08 02:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nibin!!!!!!!!!!!  That was absolutely amazing my friend!  5 for you.  I'm going to add that to my sig.  Hell, I think that everyone should add that to their sig!  LOL!

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    #9286124 - 11/21/08 02:25 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Its nice to have that many links for info in one place. I will be referring to this post often. Thanks!


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    #9286190 - 11/21/08 02:37 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

truely awsome Nibin! :thumbup: this is really new user friendly. if you can bake a cake, you have no excuse for asking questions or not having your first success following Nibin's nifty compilation of valuable information here! :starwars:


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    #9286313 - 11/21/08 02:57 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nice thread.  Stickied.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #9286331 - 11/21/08 02:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, my first sticky  :blush:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9287203 - 11/21/08 05:03 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Awesome thread Nibin.:congrats:
If I havent rated you yet I will now.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: creekfreek]
    #9288008 - 11/21/08 07:09 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the great writeup Nibin.  :thumbup:
Informative and very helpful for a noob like myself


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Tortion]
    #9288049 - 11/21/08 07:18 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Fuckin A+. Exactyly what we need. The next step then would be making this post a manditory read for new members.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9288064 - 11/21/08 07:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nice. This should steer a lot of people in the right direction.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9288067 - 11/21/08 07:20 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

:bow2:nice thread:bow2:

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9288171 - 11/21/08 07:40 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I was just going to log back in and send a PM to RR -- using my status as an unknown to elaborate how useful this post is and asking for it to be made sticky. Glad to see the wisdom of the board has once again beaten me to the punch!! (I'll never make 50 posts when all my questions are already asked and answered!)

I've been reading these boards for a month and learned a lot from everyone, but having this logical presentation -- especially the descriptions of the two methods -- really brings home.

And I'll second the notions that it be required reading. (Perhaps a link to it in the Welcome message when joining the forums??)

Thanks to all, but especially the Trusted Guys!!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: IncredibleEdible]
    #9290008 - 11/22/08 01:18 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Going to sig. +5:mushroom2:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9290374 - 11/22/08 04:47 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nice Job Nibin.
I must say this is
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    #9290414 - 11/22/08 05:25 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I must say the hardest of all was avoiding using words and abbreviations that for me are second nature.

I started typing it up using BRF, FAE, mycelium, pins, etc and realized it would be really hard to understand for a complete newcomer, so I had to rewrite it avoiding as many technical terms as I could.


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    #9290442 - 11/22/08 05:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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I must say the hardest of all was avoiding using words and abbreviations that for me are second nature.

I started typing it up using BRF, FAE, mycelium, pins, etc and realized it would be really hard to understand for a complete newcomer, so I had to rewrite it avoiding as many technical terms as I could.

that would give the fingers a little workout! congrats on this being sticky'd, im proud for you bro. :wink:  nice work!


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    #9291520 - 11/22/08 12:06 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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    #9293129 - 11/22/08 04:35 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

awesome thread nibin. every newcomer has to read this. :thumbup:

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    #9296361 - 11/23/08 07:49 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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    #9311063 - 11/25/08 01:10 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

thanks Nibin for the posting and links. i had already downloaded/and/or printed some of the teks earlier when i first arrived. i tend to be nonlinear in my searches, but guidance from the pros is without a doubt the most beneficial way to go. i like simple.
my knowledge has already increased greatly since my first arrival and i continually refer people to this site and share what i have learned. thanks to everyone who has made this site what it is by creating it and by donation of teks, time, and other writings.
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    #9311202 - 11/25/08 01:36 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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thanks Nibin for the posting and links. i had already downloaded/and/or printed some of the teks earlier when i first arrived. i tend to be nonlinear in my searches, but guidance from the pros is without a doubt the most beneficial way to go. i like simple.
my knowledge has already increased greatly since my first arrival and i continually refer people to this site and share what i have learned. thanks to everyone who has made this site what it is by creating it and by donation of teks, time, and other writings.
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it is a nice growing community with very knowledgable teachers(LIKE NIBIN) willing to go extra miles to help someone who first tries to research this site themselfs. If you are new and reading this: to dodge verbal bullets and gain respect here, use\read\search this site to find your basic answers before asking a question that gets asked a million times a year. chances are a two second search of posts will give you the answers. i would have to say, this post has 99 percent of the answers anyone new could ever ask! -good luck and Nibin : :yourock: :thumbup:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9321685 - 11/27/08 10:14 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

is it possible to inoculate the spores directly into the substrate...lets say a mixture of steer manure and straw and letting it colonize and fruit, and skip the cake method?


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    #9321888 - 11/27/08 11:10 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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just what i needed.


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    #9322343 - 11/27/08 01:00 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: JayBrasco]
    #9326708 - 11/28/08 10:13 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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is it possible to inoculate the spores directly into the substrate...lets say a mixture of steer manure and straw and letting it colonize and fruit, and skip the cake method?



It will work but success rate is very low unless you use bags and inject with liquid culture.

Here is how you should procede more or less

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9326741 - 11/28/08 10:17 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah but with spores it's not going to work.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: dead]
    #9326755 - 11/28/08 10:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah but with spores it's not going to work.



It has been known to but the failure rate is extremely high.

There are those manure bags with a grain pocket which work well with spores.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9328958 - 11/28/08 06:59 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

oh ok I was just curious. thanks guys


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    #9329566 - 11/28/08 09:15 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

as a noob my self i can not only say this was an easy read but it has a lot of info that i haven't read before and ive been lurking on here for months


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: the walrus]
    #9346326 - 12/01/08 05:47 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

I watched a video a few minutes ago that explained how rye seed can be used to grow bulk amounts. how long after colonization can someone use rye seed substrate to inoculate more jars?


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    #9348803 - 12/01/08 11:39 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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    #9349808 - 12/02/08 07:00 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Nice!  Thanks Nibin:cool:


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    #9370600 - 12/05/08 04:20 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

This has been very helpful - two thumbs up!


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    #9391309 - 12/08/08 09:37 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Hi im new to the site and wanted to say I appreciate all that you do.

I have recently started with cakes and inoculated them with the Hawaian psilocyben cubensis from Spores101 and it is now day 7 and i have no signs of mycelium. The temp is right and they are getting no light am i doing something wrong?

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: shroomwrestler]
    #9391383 - 12/08/08 09:54 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, spores101 sucks. Next time order from a sponsor.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: shroomwrestler]
    #9391771 - 12/08/08 11:06 AM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Hi im new to the site and wanted to say I appreciate all that you do.

I have recently started with cakes and inoculated them with the Hawaian psilocyben cubensis from Spores101 and it is now day 7 and i have no signs of mycelium. The temp is right and they are getting no light am i doing something wrong?

Any help would greatly be appreciated/



Start a thread explaining what you did exactly and let's see if we can see if it was your fault or the syringes.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9400889 - 12/09/08 03:26 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

hey everyone I'm brand new at this!! and excited!! my first myco bag is at 40% colonized mycelium and using the pf-tek I just inoculated 3 jars=no mycelium yet but still early, the myco bag has ps. panama and 1 jar has ps. panama and the other to jars have ps.eq. so I've heard interesting things about both will keep on posting if anyone's interested in my wrk. sounds like u all have it going on!!! Thanks


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    #9402626 - 12/09/08 08:08 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9421599 - 12/12/08 09:41 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

would it work to perform a grain to grain transfer with different grains. say innoculating rye grain with popcorn?


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    #9421808 - 12/12/08 10:24 PM (3 years, 2 months ago)

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would it work to perform a grain to grain transfer with different grains. say innoculating rye grain with popcorn?



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    #9430502 - 12/14/08 01:09 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hey guys, I got a question! Well I made my girl go to the Asian store and get some more agar agar, and she got me the right stuff, but she also came home with some coconut agar agar. Now I am pretty sure it will work cause I still have to add everything, but was curious if it has any benefits or any drawbacks?? I am gonna give it try no matter what cause I love trying out new shit (plus the bars are bright red!! Red agar!!) Just want to know if there is any other input?!?! Also wanted to have this in my threads!! Thanks everybody!!! :headbanger:


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Thanks everyone good solid info likeit!!!;)


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    #9448528 - 12/17/08 03:52 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Seeing how a lot of people have been having this :onfire: problem...

DO NOT use aerosols or flammable liquids such as rubbing alcohol or Lysol in a glovebox or other enclosed container in the presence of a flame. It could possibly BLOW UP and cause you or your house to catch fire!

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Dragonaut]
    #9453786 - 12/17/08 11:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Great thread!:congrats:

Wish it was there when I started... I would have saved lots of time and money:rolleyes:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9454001 - 12/18/08 12:20 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

im am sorry if this has been posted but i have all my supplies except the spores and the thing that go's on the jar (im getting the spores soon)(im using popcorn as my grain) but i dont understand what to use for the "filter" that goes on the jar in the pressure cooker i am a noob (iv done the whole  cake this with succese but can any one plzzz tell e wat to use on top of my jar inbetween the corn and the tinfoul!!!! my email is goget69@hotmail.com plzzzz help


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: goget69]
    #9454252 - 12/18/08 02:04 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

tyvek or polyfill, UTFSE


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Dragonaut]
    #9468409 - 12/20/08 04:38 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

I used coffee filters...idk if thats the best material to use. but it was free.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: JayBrasco]
    #9468427 - 12/20/08 04:41 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Coffee filters are the absolutely worst material. They do not filter out contaminant spores, they are made for straining coffee...


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: dead]
    #9468450 - 12/20/08 04:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

well I placed aluminum foil over them. idk if that helped. I did have contam problems with 3 jars, but that was because I didnt have a pc to sterilize my grain.

I guess polyfill is the better way to go


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: JayBrasco]
    #9468470 - 12/20/08 04:48 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

This is how I make my lid filters -> clickety


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    #9468500 - 12/20/08 04:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

thats genius! fuckin brilliant.

A good way to recycle spore syringes.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: JayBrasco]
    #9512397 - 12/29/08 12:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Help!! I've got some jars that are producing shrooms and aren't fully colonized yet, what do I do? I'm afraid to birth them since the other times I've done that, they've gotten infected.


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    #9513553 - 12/29/08 04:37 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Birth them and cut off any uncolonized portions. If they're already fruiting, the myc probably won't colonize the remaining substrate anyway.


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    #9514678 - 12/29/08 07:54 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

yea. same thing happened to me. just case it or bulk it.

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    #9532791 - 01/02/09 03:07 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Hi all i have been watching RR's video and am about to inoculate some jars but i notices that they said to PC your distilled water before using it to make syringes how can i do this without a PC? i am doing the BRF cake method by the way if you needed to know.


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    #9532873 - 01/02/09 03:24 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Either get sterile water from a pharmacy or just boil tap water.


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Re: Sterile procedure [Re: dead]
    #9532940 - 01/02/09 03:35 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

is that sterile water worth much or not? or is it just as good to get some distilled water and boil it?


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    #9532956 - 01/02/09 03:39 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just boil some tap water.


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    #9532993 - 01/02/09 03:45 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

so tap water is all good to use no need to boil distilled? why dont they just tell ya that in the vid lol cheers mate


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    #9533070 - 01/02/09 04:01 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Let it boil for 20 minutes.


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    #9535396 - 01/02/09 10:19 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

lol i bought distilled water anyway coz i seen it ha ha should i still boil it though?


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Re: Sterile procedure [Re: SLiCeR]
    #9536446 - 01/03/09 05:54 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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lol i bought distilled water anyway coz i seen it ha ha should i still boil it though?



How about you open a thread for this convo instead of cluttering up this one?

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9587671 - 01/11/09 02:24 AM (3 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9595623 - 01/12/09 02:36 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

why don't my spores grow using the pf tek? using p.azurescens syringe?my cubensis no problem .do they need something different?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: charleyfish]
    #9596465 - 01/12/09 04:29 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

PF-Tek is for cubensis. Azures need a wood-based substrate. Always search for an answer first before starting a thread.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9664463 - 01/23/09 09:27 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

Nice...I'm going with the PF tek with the perlite Terrarium.
I've seen some recomend a closed container and fanning, while others have holes drilled.
Does it matter?
Maybe someone who's tried both coud give me their opinion.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: SethTheGreat]
    #9664959 - 01/23/09 11:16 AM (3 years, 21 days ago)

A fruiting chamber must be able to provide 3 things: correct temperature, sufficient fresh air exchange and correct relative humidity. The last two are most important. The best options IMO are either a Shotgun FC or a Poor man's pod.

The shotgun FC has wet perlite on bottom and holes drilled on all sides, even on the bottom, so the airflow through the bottom will wick moisture in the air inside the FC.

Poor man's pod has water & geolite or some other brand of LECA at the bottom, and an airstone under the water connected by a hose to an aquarium air pump. This will blow air constantly into the FC through water, thus the air that enters will be at perfect humidity.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: dead]
    #9670232 - 01/24/09 09:01 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

Thanks allot,
I've got another question, I've heard that when incubating you don't want the temperature to fluctuate, I was gonna use a heater, plugged into a thermometer that turns it on when temps drop below like 80.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: SethTheGreat]
    #9670238 - 01/24/09 09:03 AM (3 years, 20 days ago)

No. If your room temperature is at least 70F, you don't need an incubator at all. If your room temperature is colder, set your incubator at 75 degrees.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9672576 - 01/24/09 05:42 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

thank you that was very informative
i think that i will try both methods and pray one works
i was hoping to find some info on sanitary methods to prevent contam. but i can probably find that elsewhere....


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: hisheater]
    #9672629 - 01/24/09 05:56 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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sanitary methods to prevent contam.



Build a glovebox. That's the best sanitary method you can do short of constructing or buying a laminar flowhood.


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    #9675722 - 01/25/09 10:25 AM (3 years, 19 days ago)

GOT A q, GROWING SOME CREEPERS AND ITS BEEN BOUT 20 DAYS AND MY JARS ARE COLONIZED CEPT FOR PORTING OF THE BOTTOM AND THERE HAS BEEN NO MORE NOTICABLE GROWTH OVER THE PAST 4 DAYS( UPSIDE  DOWN) SO DO I JUST CUT IT AND VERM THE CUT PORTION OR WAIT LONGER?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9677068 - 01/25/09 02:13 PM (3 years, 19 days ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: TeeTwoKay]
    #9716309 - 02/01/09 08:21 AM (3 years, 12 days ago)

I must admit, I had never read this until now. Good work! Here may be a couple things you could add http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9715789/an/0/page/0


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Captain Caveman]
    #9750223 - 02/06/09 02:00 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

hey ive searched and searched
can someone link me to a good bulk coir tek

it would also be helpful if it had a small list of items or ingredients
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: the walrus]
    #9750301 - 02/06/09 02:18 PM (3 years, 7 days ago)

hi, im a first time grower. i put my colonized cakes, dunked and rolled in my terrerium over one week ago and still no signs of pinning :frown:
half pint cakes are on perlite, i have holes for co2 drainage and a air pump with water stone in water. temperature fluctuates but only slightly between 73 and 78. rh is at least 91%.
everything seems in place but over a week and nothing.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: dopper dry]
    #9752019 - 02/06/09 06:56 PM (3 years, 6 days ago)

are there air holes under your perlite?  if not put that air stone under the perlite so it can help with air flow through the perlite creating evaporation better humidity.  if you dont want to do that then you have to put holes on the bottom  of your FC. 

if that doesnt help mist your cake and perlite then fan fan fan.  FAE(frequent air exchange) is VERY important.  mist and fan alot.  fanning helps dry out the cake which in turn makes the myc want to make mushies to reproduce.  misting helps keep your perlite and verm layer moist.

just thought of something: did you let the cake consolidate(the cake may look 100% done but you wait for the inside to finish and the myc gets a better hold) 1 week b4 you birthed it?  that may be the reason for stall.  give it another week b4 you worry.IMO

everything else seems alright.

remember patience is the key.

www.mushroomvideos.com ; best tek for cakes  pf tek.  watch all 4 parts.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9758977 - 02/08/09 05:45 AM (3 years, 5 days ago)

thanks, i dont have holes in the bottom, just in all four sides. i'll get on that right away. unfortunately i dont have time to fan frequently. maybe add another air pump or a larger one? the one i have is quite small in a 45litre FC. maybe i'm just gunna have to make more time to fan them. or maybe if i have a desk fan on a timer permanently facing the FC to push fresh air in the ventilation holes. good idea?
i did allow for consolidation, around 6 days.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: dopper dry]
    #9761141 - 02/08/09 03:09 PM (3 years, 5 days ago)

JOY! i went to drill my holes today and found them pinning! :smile:
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9764946 - 02/09/09 08:26 AM (3 years, 4 days ago)

thank you so much!
your guide answered all of my questions except one.
Where can i get the spores?
There are many websites out there, but could an experienced cultivator point me towards one that is reputable?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: eleven11]
    #9764966 - 02/09/09 08:37 AM (3 years, 4 days ago)

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There are many websites out there, but could an experienced cultivator point me towards one that is reputable?



all vendors here in shroomery are the best.  there is a vendor forum here also.

my personal fav is www.ralphstersspores.com

when you place an order ask for S.O.T.M (strain of the month) you get a freebie.

it only took 5 days to get my order. 

and dont think you have to see spores for it to work.  all syringes Ive ever used are crystal clear and I have had zero complaints.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9787275 - 02/12/09 07:22 PM (3 years, 21 hours ago)

can anybody tell me how i can tell when my first flush is over?

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: dopper dry]
    #9789133 - 02/13/09 03:32 AM (3 years, 12 hours ago)

well when the majority of them hit maturity and are picked, I pull the remaining stragglers and the second flushes pins, to my understanding are set to a degree.  Then there is about 4-7 days of downtime. 

Hyphae's pinning strategy explains this in better detail.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: JSshroom]
    #9791679 - 02/13/09 04:39 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

so i definitely want to pick the pins off befor i dunk n roll?
the potential fruit won't be lost?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9792385 - 02/13/09 06:54 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

newb i have 5 jars wet rye brown and white slow moving but no water pooling! first time with rye. will i be ok? or trash and start new?


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    #9796523 - 02/14/09 03:14 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

i just harvested my first flush. off 4 half pint cakes and 1 slightly smaller cake i yielded 160 gramms wet. is this good?
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    #9796793 - 02/14/09 04:13 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9806052 - 02/16/09 01:01 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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    #9814712 - 02/17/09 01:37 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Hello everyone, new to this forum but very interested in learning. have recently started a grow and went through everything step-by-step using the pf tek method.

Trying for phys cubensis, at almost 9 days still showing no colonization or even any growth at all. Out of 4 jars, 1 has a small, white spot growing about 3/4 size of a dime.

Couple of questions: initially for the first 3 days, was only able to keep at a temp range between 67 and 75. As far as i know, should shoot for 75-81. However moved jars to a warmer location, now steady right around 78 but has been almost another 6 days in this temp.

How long should we expect to go before growth starting for keeping at a lower temp, or does it mess up the whole grow?

After steamong/boiling for 90 minutes, let cool for almost 2 hours, part of the time by fan, should i let them sit overnight before inoculation?

ALso, is it good to bake the verm before making the substrate? The verm is older, been sitting around a while, and i wonder if that has anything to do with it.

Used verm, brown rice flour substrate. Recommend anything else for p c?

Also, is scotch tape over the holes the wrong tape, at first thats all we had and we picked up some medical tape. Would that have anything to do with no growth?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: dead]
    #9819158 - 02/18/09 09:23 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

WHOO!!! DONT know if you guys remeber me, but i took a few months off of the threads to do my own experiencing and learning.. after 4 attempts i have finally found my rythym.. i got nice fruit from a high yeild strain lc. finally!! so thanks for any of your help if you were around then, and ill be posting pics shortly. i used wbr cakes in 1/2 pint jars. i got small fruits,,but not too small,,and i got lots. i am going to step up to full quarts on my next and will be going through a SPONSER of this SHROOMERY to get some supplies, and mabey another lc. i would like to monotub the full quarts. i haven't tried the tech yet.

for this successfull grow,i have just picked from the wbr 1/2 pint cakes,
i used the wbr tech on this site to mix the appropriate amount of water and rice.
boiled in a pc for 1-2 hours,,
let cool overnight in box,,
used the oven rack tech for inoculation,
incubated in dark at 74f until full colonization
i then used a small, 1 gallon fish aquarium
strained hot water and half a cap of peroxide through
perlite
layered perlite about 3 inches thick at bottom of
aquarium.
dunked cake for a few minutes
placed it directly onto the perlite
placed small tube of water in the corner
placed small aquarium pump inside the water tube,
cut holes in top of plastic cover for ventalation,
covered the holes with poly fill,
sealed the edges of the cover,
and left alone,
checking only once every 2 days,
(i was sterile the whole time i handled anything
and sprayed any room the mushies would be in, with lysol first.)
i walked into my closet one morning and huala!!! there were 40 pins growing. 3 days later 20 pins were fully grown.
if i can do this, anyone can!!!!! lol..

questions for you guys:
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is freezing a good idea?
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: SyMaNtiCX66]
    #9819463 - 02/18/09 10:32 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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for this successfull grow,i have just picked from the wbr 1/2 pint cakes,
i used the wbr tech on this site to mix the appropriate amount of water and rice.
boiled in a pc for 1-2 hours,,
let cool overnight in box,,
used the oven rack tech for inoculation,
incubated in dark at 74f until full colonization
i then used a small, 1 gallon fish aquarium
strained hot water and half a cap of peroxide through
perlite
layered perlite about 3 inches thick at bottom of
aquarium.
dunked cake for a few minutes
placed it directly onto the perlite
placed small tube of water in the corner
placed small aquarium pump inside the water tube,
cut holes in top of plastic cover for ventalation,
covered the holes with poly fill,
sealed the edges of the cover,
and left alone,
checking only once every 2 days,
(i was sterile the whole time i handled anything
and sprayed any room the mushies would be in, with lysol first.)
i walked into my closet one morning and huala!!! there were 40 pins growing. 3 days later 20 pins were fully grown.
if i can do this, anyone can!!!!! lol..

questions for you guys:
how long will a mushy stay good when freeze dried??
is freezing a good idea?
thanks




to answer your question, you dont freeze them to dry them.  once they are dry keep them in a plastic bag with a silica gel pack(like in beef jerky bags) and it should be good for years.

but as for your methods, all of it is out dated and their are better versions to use with  better results.

1)what is wbr?  do you mean brf or wbs?

2)if you have a PC you dont boil.  you PC @ 15lbs. for 60 min. or you steam in a pot for 90min.

3)oven tek has been deleated off shroomery for being flat out bad for anything.

4)incubating- the only thing that matters is temps. having it in the dark/light does nothing during colonization only fruiting.

5)you dont use peroxide w/perlite only cobweb mold.

6)dunking takes up to 24 hrs not a couple of minutes.

7)should have foil under your cake not directly on perlite.

8)you should have a shotgun FC with 5" of perlite and give FAE and misting when needed.

9)fish tanks arnt good for FAE neither are air pumps.

10)watch this video on the PF tek it sounds like what you were trying to accomplish

www.mushroomvideos.com ; all 4 parts of the PF tek. 

I use my cakes to crumble them in my monotub and mix with this tek. 

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/favlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=89994&F_Board=30&Thread=9289857&partnumber=&postmarker=

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9843466 - 02/22/09 11:16 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

just eecenrly harvested my first flush......
about 160 gramms wet of b+. dried them with a fan and tried them.
the potency was disappointing as hell :frown:
off 3 dry gramms all i had was brighter colours.
however, i had been drinking and had also had a few ecstacy pills.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: dopper dry]
    #9865519 - 02/25/09 07:01 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks for this thread, I've gone over it a few times, but I think I need to check out some more stuff before I decide to get started


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Kantaris]
    #9868867 - 02/26/09 10:13 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

This thread is very helpful. Thanks.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: mushsucks]
    #9874208 - 02/27/09 01:05 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #9890241 - 03/01/09 12:22 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

I've got a few noob questions for you guys. I've got about 6 mason jars almost fully colonized. I plan to fruit them in an aquarium. My questions are reguarding oxygen exchange, contamination, and temperature. I have a 5 gallon fish tank that I will be fruiting 6 cakes in, how often do I need to let fresh air in? I am going to cover the top with a peice of "press and seal" wrap and put a loose peice of plexi glass on top of that just incase. I have a fish tank pump too that I was thinking of using to help prevent contamnation, good idea or should I not even bother? I also have an aquarium heater I may use to get the heat and humidity exactly where I want them, I'm not sure if this is necessary since the state I live in doesn't get very cold anyways. So basically should I use the pump and/or heater, I know they would help but I'm kind of a noob and don't want to risk contamination putting foreign objects into the tank?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: apg1387]
    #9890303 - 03/01/09 12:30 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

You will want to exchange the air in you're chamber a minimum of 4 times a day. More would be better!!! Also you'll want to mist you're cakes directly a couple times a day until you see pins. then mist around the sides. also you'll want to dunk and roll you're cakes before putting them in you're FC. you can use the aquarium pump to help fresh air enter you're aquarium but you don't want to trap the air inside!! use the search function and look at other peoples setups I have never used a glass aquarium before only the shotgun tek.. which is fairly cheap to set up look up that and PMP. to get some more ideas wish I could be of more help....


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9909552 - 03/04/09 09:47 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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13shrooms said:
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for this successfull grow,i have just picked from the wbr 1/2 pint cakes,
i used the wbr tech on this site to mix the appropriate amount of water and rice.
boiled in a pc for 1-2 hours,,
let cool overnight in box,,
used the oven rack tech for inoculation,
incubated in dark at 74f until full colonization
i then used a small, 1 gallon fish aquarium
strained hot water and half a cap of peroxide through
perlite
layered perlite about 3 inches thick at bottom of
aquarium.
dunked cake for a few minutes
placed it directly onto the perlite
placed small tube of water in the corner
placed small aquarium pump inside the water tube,
cut holes in top of plastic cover for ventalation,
covered the holes with poly fill,
sealed the edges of the cover,
and left alone,
checking only once every 2 days,
(i was sterile the whole time i handled anything
and sprayed any room the mushies would be in, with lysol first.)
i walked into my closet one morning and huala!!! there were 40 pins growing. 3 days later 20 pins were fully grown.
if i can do this, anyone can!!!!! lol..

questions for you guys:
how long will a mushy stay good when freeze dried??
is freezing a good idea?
thanks




to answer your question, you dont freeze them to dry them.  once they are dry keep them in a plastic bag with a silica gel pack(like in beef jerky bags) and it should be good for years.

but as for your methods, all of it is out dated and their are better versions to use with  better results.

1)what is wbr?  do you mean brf or wbs?

2)if you have a PC you dont boil.  you PC @ 15lbs. for 60 min. or you steam in a pot for 90min.

3)oven tek has been deleated off shroomery for being flat out bad for anything.

4)incubating- the only thing that matters is temps. having it in the dark/light does nothing during colonization only fruiting.

5)you dont use peroxide w/perlite only cobweb mold.

6)dunking takes up to 24 hrs not a couple of minutes.

7)should have foil under your cake not directly on perlite.

8)you should have a shotgun FC with 5" of perlite and give FAE and misting when needed.

9)fish tanks arnt good for FAE neither are air pumps.

10)watch this video on the PF tek it sounds like what you were trying to accomplish

www.mushroomvideos.com ; all 4 parts of the PF tek. 

I use my cakes to crumble them in my monotub and mix with this tek. 

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/favlinker.php?Cat=&Entry=89994&F_Board=30&Thread=9289857&partnumber=&postmarker=

sounds like you doing alright though. keep up the learning and good luck.



wbr was meant to mean whole brown rice. sorry. still at noob level but did get a nice first fruit. the tek you have just provided and the info you just posted has helped tremendously. i cant wait to mono tub. the coir tek does seem pretty easy. thanks again. btw ill be incubating quart wbs jars this week for the tek you provided. ill let you know how it goes. one question, ill have 6 quart jars of wbs. when i mix the fully colon. wbs into the coir, will i mix in 5 quarts and then use the 6th for the frosting layer? or can i use 2 on coir and a the 3rd for top layer, so that i have two separate tubs to cut down on contam. the entire grow. Thanks for any help..... E
and what is a shotgun fc and where can i find? lol


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: SyMaNtiCX66]
    #9909842 - 03/04/09 10:39 AM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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ill be incubating quart wbs jars this week for the tek you provided. ill let you know how it goes. one question, ill have 6 quart jars of wbs. when i mix the fully colon. wbs into the coir, will i mix in 5 quarts and then use the 6th for the frosting layer? or can i use 2 on coir and a the 3rd for top layer, so that i have two separate tubs to cut down on contam. the entire grow. Thanks for any help..... E
and what is a shotgun fc and where can i find? lol



Im doing the same just got my pressure cooker today, starting liquid cultures.  (for future reference try this once you get your grains down)  Grain LC  that way you have enough inoculation for whatever you want to try.:thumbup:

DONT! I REAPEAT DONT USE A FROSTING LAYER. thats bad info.  make sure you have enough substrate left to fully cover your spawn.  spawn should NEVER be exposed b4 its fully colonized.  layer it in or dump all your spawn in and mix.  just make sure you have substrate on top NOT spawn. 

I would put a layer of sub down then 1 quart spawn, then more sub, then 2 quarts spawn, then rest of sub. 

yeah 3 quarts in 1 and 3 in the other is good.  its what Im doing and its working.lol

a shotgun FC is used for fruiting cakes and/or trays(that will fit). 

its just a whatevermade tub you drill/melt 1/4" holes on all six sides fill with 5" of moist perlite and place your trays/cakes on top of the perlite.

the holes wick up moisture into the FC keeping your humidity @ 95+.  the holes on the bottom create an up current forcing air up through the perlite evaporating moisture and pushing it up around your grow and pushing out old air and Co2.  it does the FAE for you.  you just have to make sure it stays moist by misting your perlite and cakes when needed.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9940097 - 03/09/09 01:50 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

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ill be incubating quart wbs jars this week for the tek you provided. ill let you know how it goes. one question, ill have 6 quart jars of wbs. when i mix the fully colon. wbs into the coir, will i mix in 5 quarts and then use the 6th for the frosting layer? or can i use 2 on coir and a the 3rd for top layer, so that i have two separate tubs to cut down on contam. the entire grow. Thanks for any help..... E
and what is a shotgun fc and where can i find? lol





Im doing the same just got my pressure cooker today, starting liquid cultures.  (for future reference try this once you get your grains down)  Grain LC  that way you have enough inoculation for whatever you want to try.:thumbup:

DONT! I REAPEAT DONT USE A FROSTING LAYER. thats bad info.  make sure you have enough substrate left to fully cover your spawn.  spawn should NEVER be exposed b4 its fully colonized.  layer it in or dump all your spawn in and mix.  just make sure you have substrate on top NOT spawn. 

I would put a layer of sub down then 1 quart spawn, then more sub, then 2 quarts spawn, then rest of sub. 

yeah 3 quarts in 1 and 3 in the other is good.  its what Im doing and its working.lol

a shotgun FC is used for fruiting cakes and/or trays(that will fit). 

its just a whatevermade tub you drill/melt 1/4" holes on all six sides fill with 5" of moist perlite and place your trays/cakes on top of the perlite.

the holes wick up moisture into the FC keeping your humidity @ 95+.  the holes on the bottom create an up current forcing air up through the perlite evaporating moisture and pushing it up around your grow and pushing out old air and Co2.  it does the FAE for you.  you just have to make sure it stays moist by misting your perlite and cakes when needed.

hope this helps.




OH yeah man this helped greatly. thanks. ill keep up with you and post pics. i inoculated 3 days ago. no signs of myc. yet of course. but bought sterile sub. jars and lc from sponsor, so i think im good. their the psylocibe india orisas strain or something like that?? lol thanks again and keep an eye out for me on this page. ill be asking more soon surely,,, peace


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    #9943744 - 03/10/09 12:53 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Jesticles]
    #9962407 - 03/12/09 11:18 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

hey i am about to try my first attempt at growing shrooms using the pf tek. assuming i have a helathy cake and dunk between flushes how much should a single half pint cake yield combining the weight of all the flushes...dry weight of course


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: chunk911]
    #9963339 - 03/13/09 04:28 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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how much should a single half pint cake yield combining the weight of all the flushes...dry weight of course



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    #9981303 - 03/16/09 10:34 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

dead.... lovin your quote!!! i see right through some pairs of eyes and people would think i was carzy if i told them what i saw.. i did it one time to a girl though and told her what i saw. she cried and ran away.. anyways,
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #9981451 - 03/16/09 11:01 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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lol





DONT! I REAPEAT DONT USE A FROSTING LAYER. thats bad info.  make sure you have enough substrate left to fully cover your spawn.  spawn should NEVER be exposed b4 its fully colonized.  layer it in or dump all your spawn in and mix.  just make sure you have substrate on top NOT spawn. 

I would put a layer of sub down then 1 quart spawn, then more sub, then 2 quarts spawn, then rest of sub. 

yeah 3 quarts in 1 and 3 in the other is good.  its what Im doing and its working.lol

a shotgun FC is used for fruiting cakes and/or trays(that will fit). 

its just a whatevermade tub you drill/melt 1/4" holes on all six sides fill with 5" of moist perlite and place your trays/cakes on top of the perlite.

the holes wick up moisture into the FC keeping your humidity @ 95+.  the holes on the bottom create an up current forcing air up through the perlite evaporating moisture and pushing it up around your grow and pushing out old air and Co2.  it does the FAE for you.  you just have to make sure it stays moist by misting your perlite and cakes when needed.

hope this helps.



hey man its me again. i was wondering, i see little spots of myc. starting to sprout and colon. the wbs jars. what is the usual real wait time for the full colonization? anyone? i know heat, air, contam, all play a roll but if everything was done right (Hypothetic)lol,,, whats the normal wait time???

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #9994571 - 03/18/09 10:49 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

oh sweet, Ive been away for a few years, this threads just recapped all I knew in half an hour! thought I'd forgotton all I'd leant here.!!!

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    #10005897 - 03/20/09 01:17 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

hi im just getting back into this hobby ..i tried once and epic failed 8 1/2 pt brf Jars all 8 contaminated ...well here i am a year later and now its starting to get back into season so am i ...well i didnt really have any mats so i took an old chia pet had soil and and a few rye seeds and a hand full of verm and a hand full of cow manure i got from walmart i mixed it all together pasteurized it,squeezed most the water out for 30 min took a clean (old) jar filled it almost up now made a filter foiled it got a small jar for a print i made last(making a syringe) year and i am also sterilizing and old syringe i had using the boiling method  ..i know this is off the wall but what do u think my success rate will be ..10%?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #10034248 - 03/24/09 04:41 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: shroomathan]
    #10034287 - 03/24/09 04:48 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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hey man its me again. i was wondering, i see little spots of myc. starting to sprout and colon. the wbs jars. what is the usual real wait time for the full colonization? anyone? i know heat, air, contam, all play a roll but if everything was done right (Hypothetic)lol,,, whats the normal wait time???





2-3 weeks if you used a spore syringe, or 1-2 weeks if you used Liquid culture, to inoculate your wbs jars. IME.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10058701 - 03/28/09 06:00 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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hey man its me again. i was wondering, i see little spots of myc. starting to sprout and colon. the wbs jars. what is the usual real wait time for the full colonization? anyone? i know heat, air, contam, all play a roll but if everything was done right (Hypothetic)lol,,, whats the normal wait time???





2-3 weeks if you used a spore syringe, or 1-2 weeks if you used Liquid culture, to inoculate your wbs jars. IME.



I've had full colonization with a very fast LC strains that only took about 5 days. Courtesy of Ralphsters, his BHT and Texas are extremely great LC's to use and they tear the grain apart.

This was done with a 4cc injection.. Not just down the sides of the jar... I've found that immediate shaking of the jar to disperse the LC throughout will speed things up dramatically.

Within 2 days the mycelium was dominating and full colonization was hit at about 5 days total. This was also done at room temperature, as well... I love LC's  :wink:

How you been 13shrooms? How's your project coming along? Keep in touch man!

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: drunkmunky]
    #10058725 - 03/28/09 06:13 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Some of the more prominent members here would advise against LC's. Simply because you can't always tell if it's a contaminant or not. I personally love LC's, however, just be aware that contaminants can appear as mycelium in an LC too and the difference is sometimes impossible to tell.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10058837 - 03/28/09 07:11 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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How you been 13shrooms? How's your project coming along? Keep in touch man!




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    #10059514 - 03/28/09 10:13 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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How you been 13shrooms? How's your project coming along? Keep in touch man!




just got done shootin up some PE LC to 6 grain jars like 10 min ago.

getting ready to prep 6 more jars for my Chinese Dancing Tigers from ralphs.:headbang3:

will know more in a few days on my progress.:cool:




Well good for you! I spoke with you about a month ago you were scared of LC's and Grain Jars  LOL

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    #10059537 - 03/28/09 10:19 AM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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Some of the more prominent members here would advise against LC's. Simply because you can't always tell if it's a contaminant or not. I personally love LC's, however, just be aware that contaminants can appear as mycelium in an LC too and the difference is sometimes impossible to tell.




I agree they can easily get ruined if you're not careful... I've only had one contamination problem in my career so far.. I had an LC clone backfire on me one time but it was due to open air exposure... Then I built a glove box... Problem solved :wink:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: veda_sticks]
    #10081118 - 03/31/09 02:21 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

i was making agar plate  with a potato recipe...PDA
i was doing just the same as was writing here on forums...i clone a oyster mushroom....but i get just a litle colonization after 17 days:(.
I dont now what i am doing wrong:(. after 17 days i see colonization , but its not complitly pure white color. Is thet normal?What i am doing wrong?:(

What time it should take before i see full colonized micelium on agar
And what temperature i should keep oyster Agar medium?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: komsija]
    #10081133 - 03/31/09 02:23 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah glove boxes rule. Especially for poor folks like me! :smile:


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    #10095670 - 04/02/09 03:38 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

is this necessarily the best technique? the convntional method with fertilizer layers have a system in place for catching spores and regrowing the mushrooms


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    #10098299 - 04/02/09 10:39 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

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    #10108403 - 04/04/09 11:54 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

very informative thanks man!
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    #10120413 - 04/06/09 10:07 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I'm new to the site and love it! My firs question is how to submit a message to the community? My second question is "why my quart jars aren't showing signs of colonization?" I appreciate any help:mushroom2:


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    #10120448 - 04/06/09 10:13 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

I'm new to the site and could use a lil' help. I can't find out how to send a message to the community for the life of me. Once i can submit a message then my question can be answered from there. Thanks for the help.


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    #10120483 - 04/06/09 10:23 PM (2 years, 10 months ago)

click on FORUMS then click on mushroom cultivation then click post thread then ask said question.    hope that helps.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10156573 - 04/13/09 06:29 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Hi all, fist time grower trying not to kill myself!

Got some Psilocybe cubensis Puerto Rican Liquid Culture Syringes in Jan 09. Took about 5 weeks to colonize in vermiculite and BRF.

I then dunked and rolled and placed them in a clear tub with holes all over. (recently introduced a cool mist humdifier)hope that helps them pine.

Out of 6 cakes 1 fruited with 3 mushroms on it, took 4eva.

Reason im worried is that they do not bruise blue or any colour???
Is this Psilocybe cubensis Puerto Rican?

Please have a look at these pics & help.




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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: beng]
    #10157145 - 04/13/09 09:53 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

looks like a cube to me.  Id eat it.

you should have had foil or some sort of berrior between your perlite and cake. 

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    #10157438 - 04/13/09 10:46 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Thanks

lol, its not perlite. lol its polystyrene. had nothing else.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: beng]
    #10157514 - 04/13/09 11:04 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

yeah, unless your working with clones or isolates its all random genitics, random potencies, random eerything.


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    #10189809 - 04/18/09 11:42 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

HEY I have a qiuck question:

I have a fully colonized quart wbs cake in a fruiting chamber with shotgun holes and polyfill stuffing on the sides and top.(monotub) the cake is looking healty and it resembles a big ball of cotton with little bulges poking out every\where. but no pins yet. its been in the chamber for a week or little more a with damp pearlite about 2 inches thick at bottom and i mist 2 or 3 time a day... should i continue to be patient? or is my cake not responding correctly... thanks for any help guys and gals....

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #10202716 - 04/20/09 03:40 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Hey,

A few of quick questions for method 1

1. Is it okay to use 440ml jars? Only type I can access

2. I have B+ spores in a syringe, is it ok to use just some of the spores as a trial run and save the rest for later?

3. Can the fruiting chamber have frosted glass/plastic?

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    #10204053 - 04/20/09 08:15 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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Hey,

A few of quick questions for method 1

1. Is it okay to use 440ml jars? Only type I can access

2. I have B+ spores in a syringe, is it ok to use just some of the spores as a trial run and save the rest for later?

3. Can the fruiting chamber have frosted glass/plastic?

Cheers, thanks for all your help :smile:



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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: SyMaNtiCX66]
    #10207218 - 04/21/09 12:29 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

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HEY I have a qiuck question:

I have a fully colonized quart wbs cake in a fruiting chamber with shotgun holes and polyfill stuffing on the sides and top.(monotub) the cake is looking healty and it resembles a big ball of cotton with little bulges poking out every\where. but no pins yet. its been in the chamber for a week or little more a with damp pearlite about 2 inches thick at bottom and i mist 2 or 3 time a day... should i continue to be patient? or is my cake not responding correctly... thanks for any help guys and gals....

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: SyMaNtiCX66]
    #10207243 - 04/21/09 12:34 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

If it really does look like cotton then it might be Cobweb Mold.

Do a search for the term and see if it looks similar to your cake.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10209044 - 04/21/09 05:10 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

no its not cobweb mold, i am fruiting directly from a colonized wbs cake that i have removed from the quart jar and placed in inside a monotub. no casing, or roll.. only a cake full of the colonized myc. the myc is what i meant by cottony looking.. its deffinately colonized mycelium. i guess i need to post a pic but my cam is f... ing up on me... i think i have a healthy cake because it looks better and different every time i mist,, just no pins yet... i think i should apply a  little more patience into the mix bc the grow appears healthy so far... so thanks if anyone can make sense of that.. my only question would be; what is the time span that you usually see pins, after you place the cake inside fruiting conditions??? 


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: SyMaNtiCX66]
    #10209902 - 04/21/09 07:01 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Make sure it's in fruiting conditions.

72F-76F and a drop in humidity to 85-90%.
Fresh Air Exchanges - 4 or 5 per day (fan chamber).
12/12 light cycle, or leave it by a window in your home.

Maybe the dunk and roll will help you too. Try a 24 hour dunk in water, then roll your cake in vermiculite and adhere to the parameters above.

Sounds to me like you have to kick it into fruiting mode. Perhaps a more experienced cultivator will chime-in. I don't cultivate actives and I might be missing something.

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    #10271272 - 05/01/09 10:34 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

Is dunk and rolling with verm really necessary for fruiting B+ cubensis? I watched another video where this technique was not used and the cakes produced well.


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    #10271447 - 05/01/09 11:22 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

just de case with verm, thats what i did my first time with b+ and worked veary well, other than that keep the rh up and fae and u should get great results


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    #10298273 - 05/06/09 04:39 PM (2 years, 9 months ago)

but should i soak them in water for 24 hours to?


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    #10302256 - 05/07/09 11:26 AM (2 years, 9 months ago)

our mushrooms here on the phil.grow fast during rainy days even though you don't have to cultivate it...


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    #10353118 - 05/17/09 11:21 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Heya,
    this is my first post here and I am sorry if I am posting in the wrong section for my diahhlemuh. but...
I am trying to grow for the first time and if I do say so myself I have done everything by the book. Verm. and Brown rice flour, and I have no mycelium growth after about four weeks. No contamination is visible but there aint no stringy white stuff either, it just looks like the rice flour is getting a little bloated at the bottom. I have seen similar testimony from other "sporestore.com" buyers and am wondering if this is not a suggested spore source. I would love to get some "serious spores" and would appreciate any recommendations. I would love to buy/trade direct form a successful grower who collects spores but I dont know if this is against excepted conduct for this site.


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    #10353192 - 05/17/09 11:40 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

www.ralphstersspores.com (write your own order form and mail w/your money order and u have no paper trail + ask for SOTM, Strain Of The Month, you get a free spore syringe with every purchase)

www.sporeworks.com
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    #10353285 - 05/17/09 12:03 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

yeah I ordered from the spore store also and got nothing out of 48 jars they are a scam you hear it a lot here


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    #10354469 - 05/17/09 04:04 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks much. Very helpful bunch here


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Re: wondering.. [Re: CyTheGuy]
    #10385050 - 05/23/09 02:51 AM (2 years, 8 months ago)

shroomery wont carry shitty suppliers.
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    #10394113 - 05/24/09 11:57 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Where do you go if you live in Cali?


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    #10396415 - 05/25/09 01:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: wondering.. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10398515 - 05/25/09 07:47 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I've had Ps. cyanescens spores from Golden Gate Park. Those are some of the most potent species in existence. Be careful though, a deadly Galerina that looks similar can sometimes grow right in the middle of a bunch of cyanescens.


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Re: wondering.. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10404656 - 05/26/09 08:56 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

I am willing to go to great lengths and produce unreasonable amounts of money for a Cubensis spore print. They are completely out of my reach due to myopic bureaucratic tyranny. PLEASE HELP!!!!


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Re: wondering.. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10409294 - 05/27/09 05:19 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks, although I am not really experienced to pick my own yet. The P.O. Box does sound like a good idea. As a complete noob I'd like to start a small collection, I already have a few but I'd like to suplement the collection faster. Plus there are some things out there that just look like a lot of fun to grow.


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Re: wondering.. [Re: mycochef]
    #10409397 - 05/27/09 05:38 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

There are vendors that send to California.

It's not illegal in California either, there is a grey area that has a loophole in the law. As long as it's for microscopic study only then you're good to go. Most vendors just stay away from it because they don't have a thorough understanding of the law.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #10449407 - 06/03/09 05:48 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

hey Im really new to this and I have questions. Just not sure who to ask and I hope Im not wasting your time.
If this is the wrong spot can you direct me to the right place ?
I live in Canada and I bought a mushroom kit with the spawn.
NOT ILLEGAL HERE
I got it right I think so far but the instructions suck bad - lol
The kit is prety simple and it consist of a burlap bag of straw substrate,plastic bag,mushroom casing soil,casing starter,water bottle,jar of spawn
ANyways I got it at the end of the process and the top of the soil is turning white but its been 10 days since I've seen the white (mold) i guess and nothing happening - so my question is how long does it take before I see any results. ps> i got it at 27 degress 84 F  and I got it 12 hrs in the dark and 12 hrs in the light 25 watt bulb
ANyways I hope you can help - its my first time  and Im looking forward to summer - lol

ANyways I got the kit set
help I so new its scary
You may choose only one
not sure what to write - help me to grow my kit
got white mold but no fruiting ?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: cjdworks]
    #10449917 - 06/03/09 07:14 PM (2 years, 8 months ago)

The "white" is called mycelium "my-see-lee-uhm". It's the main part of your fungus, the mushrooms are the mycelium's "seeds", for lack of a better term. It's how the mycelium reproduces, it makes the mushroom and drops spores.

Which species did the "kit" say it was?

Anyways, a few things.

Make sure it's getting fresh air.
Make sure the humidity is high, 90%-100%.
Make sure your light is in the 6500k color range (natural daylight color)
Drop your temperature to 76.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #10528319 - 06/18/09 01:04 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

OK i am new to this mushroom thing (growing that is)  But a buddy of mine gave me 2 jars of 100ml mushroom spores... just take the syringe and extract it from the jars... the jars have a tyrek paper on it and holes are be drilled in these jars... the question is he was making truffles... this is what he said ... "look on the net and find something about these ingredients" (i know he is telling the truth b/c i have seen his grow and tasted it too...)

mason jars
pressure cooker
annual rye grass seed
black coffee
the spores i gave you
and silicon


told me that i will soak the black coffee (2 pots) with the rye grass 50%/50% (not telling me how long)
then you will rinse the grass seed multiple times
place the grass seed in the mason jars to 500ml allows you to shake them later on.
place the mason jars in pressure cooker and cook for 90 mins at 15psi
after that let them cool.... sterilize your syringe and inject 1cc into the jars... make sure you sterilize the needle after a couple of jars. if you get anything on it then sterilize it and wipe with rubbing alcohol...
lid them and shake them for the first week then let sit for about 3-4 months...

with all that shit said i have no fucking clue as to what to do and he has moved away so i am stuck with this solution in mason jars that is starting to look as if pieces of jelly fish were placed in this lightly tan colored water...
Can someone please reply or point me in the right direction to fixing my problem... all i can add to this is he was growing TRUFFLES not mushrooms but they worked like field caps.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Keagal420]
    #10535820 - 06/19/09 08:53 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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OK i am new to this mushroom thing (growing that is)  But a buddy of mine gave me 2 jars of 100ml mushroom spores... just take the syringe and extract it from the jars... the jars have a tyrek paper on it and holes are be drilled in these jars... the question is he was making truffles... this is what he said ... "look on the net and find something about these ingredients" (i know he is telling the truth b/c i have seen his grow and tasted it too...)

mason jars
pressure cooker
annual rye grass seed
black coffee
the spores i gave you
and silicon


told me that i will soak the black coffee (2 pots) with the rye grass 50%/50% (not telling me how long)
then you will rinse the grass seed multiple times
place the grass seed in the mason jars to 500ml allows you to shake them later on.
place the mason jars in pressure cooker and cook for 90 mins at 15psi
after that let them cool.... sterilize your syringe and inject 1cc into the jars... make sure you sterilize the needle after a couple of jars. if you get anything on it then sterilize it and wipe with rubbing alcohol...
lid them and shake them for the first week then let sit for about 3-4 months...

with all that shit said i have no fucking clue as to what to do and he has moved away so i am stuck with this solution in mason jars that is starting to look as if pieces of jelly fish were placed in this lightly tan colored water...
Can someone please reply or point me in the right direction to fixing my problem... all i can add to this is he was growing TRUFFLES not mushrooms but they worked like field caps.



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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Lostkeys]
    #10536902 - 06/19/09 12:22 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah at the top right-hand side of your screen you'll see a search box.

When searching, leave common words like "and" "the" "or", etc... out so that the search is more refined and specific.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #10631262 - 07/06/09 03:47 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

Holy crap. why wasn't this post around years ago. Thank you!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Yipes]
    #10634215 - 07/07/09 03:37 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

My PF Jars look funny when compared what everybody else s I have seen....

I have mycelium growing (Inoculated on the 4th)... but my Dry layer of verm and my Substrate of BRF, Verm and water (From RR Recipe) have about I guess a half a inch between them. So there is a gap between the top layer and the actual substrate on most jars.

I am thinking I did something wrong.... If I did will I be ok?

One thing I did wrong maybe was leave my jars in the pressure cooker to long.... They were in there for a Hour and Half under 15psi, I figured over sterilization wouldn't hurt anything, because I had heard an hour then I had heard hour and half.

Then I am not sure if water got in while it was pressure cooking considering I used foil and masking tape to keep water out. When I took the foil off to inoculate there was water on the lid. But I am not sure if any got in.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: TrippingStone]
    #10634486 - 07/07/09 06:51 AM (2 years, 7 months ago)

If there was water on the lid, there's a good chance it got into the jars.  I had the same thing happen with two of the jars in my first batch.  Sure enough they were waterlogged and as a result got contaminated with bacteria.  From now on I'll be weighing the jars prior to and after steaming to check for added water weight.  Of course this can be avoided by making sure the jars are completely out of the water, and the boil doesn't get to the point that water is sloshing about violently.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #10648690 - 07/09/09 04:32 PM (2 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #10734158 - 07/24/09 03:57 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

great articles for the newcomers like me! Thanks, Nibin.



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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Lostkeys]
    #10736453 - 07/25/09 12:17 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Is it just me or does anyone else end up paying like $200 for a setup that the instructions indicate should cost like $100? It's just that the little things tend to add up, and if you can't find some of the stuff in your city, you gotta order it and pay a nut for shipping. I think people should estimate a little higher for setups they advocate, especially if they implore users to use the same equipment/supplies.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Frequenze]
    #10784008 - 08/02/09 02:29 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

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pay a nut for shipping.



Don't pay for shipping.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Doc_T]
    #10786475 - 08/02/09 02:38 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I'd like to add to this thread, that drinking a bit of liquor before glovebox procedures works wonders.  I had heard about this for stilling your hands before shooting, but RR mentioned sipping a shot before glovebox/flowhood work, And yes, it seriously helps to still your hands.  A little glass of good white rum with a tiny splash of fresh-squeezed grapefruit juice is my not-so-official drink before some glovebox work. ~Pixie~


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Psuper]
    #10788169 - 08/02/09 07:11 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Just like to say I think I've found a good place to kick it, haven't done anythin forumsfor acouple of years, but I just came across the curious world of shroom cultivation, read about it before, never tried it but am going for it in a few days...wish me luck...any advice is welcome....
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Psuper]
    #10788606 - 08/02/09 08:23 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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I'd like to add to this thread, that drinking a bit of liquor before glovebox procedures works wonders.  I had heard about this for stilling your hands before shooting, but RR mentioned sipping a shot before glovebox/flowhood work, And yes, it seriously helps to still your hands.  A little glass of good white rum with a tiny splash of fresh-squeezed grapefruit juice is my not-so-official drink before some glovebox work. ~Pixie~




I use valium instead of liquor. Works great for me plus it helps quell my anxiety.

One word of advice, if you do glovebox work 3 or 4 separate times in one day don't pop a valium each time, I feel asleep at my desk with my arms still in the glovebox.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
    #10788647 - 08/02/09 08:30 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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One word of advice, if you do glovebox work 3 or 4 separate times in one day don't pop a valium each time, I feel asleep at my desk with my arms still in the glovebox.



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My Jars Got Shaken?? [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #10818283 - 08/07/09 02:15 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

I am a first time grower. I have 12 half pint jars of B+ colonizing (they are about 70% colonized). Now this is gonna sound ridiculous (and it is), but my husband and I had a slight dispute, the jars were tossed in a paper bag, and aggressively hurled into the back of his pick up. Miraculously, only one jar broke and I gathered the rest and put them back on the shelf to finish colonizing. They were quite shaken. Does anyone know if they will be O.K.?


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Re: My Jars Got Shaken?? [Re: Christa88]
    #10818353 - 08/07/09 02:26 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

If they don't contam they'll be ok don't worry. The only risk from it is having the dry verm layer disturbed but you should be ok! The mycelium takes a lot more beating than that. When we use grains, we shake at ~25% and then at full colonization. Shaking them real hard and hiting them aginst tires to break up the mycelium. Don't worry!:wink:


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Re: My Jars Got Shaken?? [Re: AlexP]
    #10818718 - 08/07/09 03:18 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

Thanks, AlexP! I feel much better!!


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Re: My Jars Got Shaken?? [Re: Christa88]
    #10819014 - 08/07/09 04:08 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

If anyone asks, just tell them your jars fell down some stairs...


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Re: My Jars Got Shaken?? [Re: Lostkeys]
    #10819044 - 08/07/09 04:14 PM (2 years, 6 months ago)

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If anyone asks, just tell them your jars fell down some stairs...


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #10837998 - 08/11/09 05:29 AM (2 years, 6 months ago)

WOW..i havent logged back on this site since 05 ' and seems the teks never really strayed away from the old and true,..... great guide ,its just recapped all my loose ends.. since i magically had the urge to start growing again .....!!! hello to all the new members it looked like the community expanded vastly in comparison! .....


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #10841963 - 08/11/09 07:09 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #10923782 - 08/23/09 10:31 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

excellent guide, thanks.. helped me alot


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: tryptaminion]
    #10950517 - 08/27/09 06:27 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Hey guys I'm gonna be using grow bags measuring 18" H x 5.5" W x 4" D. and with 1 pound of substrate in them each. How many grams (roughly) of shrooms can I expect per flush if injected with 5cc of spore?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: NoxNoctum]
    #10950884 - 08/27/09 07:19 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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Hey guys I'm gonna be using grow bags measuring 18" H x 5.5" W x 4" D. and with 1 pound of substrate in them each. How many grams (roughly) of shrooms can I expect per flush if injected with 5cc of spore?



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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Lostkeys]
    #10951279 - 08/27/09 08:12 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

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How many grams (roughly) of shrooms can I expect per flush if injected with 5cc of spore?



there are tons of variables to know that:shrug:, Im sure you will be pleased with whatever you get.:thumbup:

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #10951974 - 08/27/09 09:51 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just trying to figure out how many bags I need to do at once to have enough for several trips right off the first flush.

On the other hand. I don't want to end up having like a a kilogram right off the bat.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: NoxNoctum]
    #10951994 - 08/27/09 09:54 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

1 bag will give you enough for you and some friends to have fun a couple of times, do a couple bags in case of any contams that might surprize you.  just in case.:crazy2:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #10974939 - 08/31/09 06:13 PM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Awesome!  It's been almost 10 years since I last attempted any growing (technically 8) and I've been really wanting to get back into it.  This is just the thread I need.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11013575 - 09/07/09 07:30 AM (2 years, 5 months ago)

Really very useful guide thanks for sharing...


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    #11045279 - 09/12/09 07:03 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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    #11048317 - 09/12/09 06:54 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Man, I can't tell you how much this site has taught me. I went from knowing absolutely NOTHING about growing mushrooms to starting my first project in a matter of days! I got my verm in today. A 24 pound bag cost $24 and the shipping was $30.(Can you believe that?!)But as I've read there is no real replacement for it so I went on ahead and splurged. I want to do everything by the books on my first attempt. Just waiting on my spores to arrive! I can't wait to get some pictures of my progress up and share my experience with you guys. You've already helped me so much! Peace.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11055900 - 09/14/09 12:40 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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    #11088765 - 09/19/09 11:27 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I've decided to start growing again after a 5yr hiatus; well truth be told Mother Nature spiked my interest agian. See, it's been raining almost everyday for about 3-4 weeks now here is the Southeast (Atlanta is now the new Seattle), and the fields have been absolutely covered. But that's completely off subject.

I've been researching on the net and [finally] become a member on this site. I now think I can make this work, as my first few attempts had less that desirable results. I was putting in so much work trying to keep conditions perfect, and after contams and poor yields only getting about 25% of what I should have gotten. So to the point, invigorating read, but I do have one suggestion. I see almost no mention of sterilization techniques. While you do mention the pressure cooker; you in no way mention how it should be used. If you intend for this to be guide for beginners I feel that such is vital information.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: kingsmountainview]
    #11089343 - 09/19/09 01:03 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

www.mushroomvideos.com ; 'splains it all 4 beginners:thumbup:


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    #11089663 - 09/19/09 02:16 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome. Thanks alot!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: kingsmountainview]
    #11092281 - 09/19/09 10:03 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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I've decided to start growing again after a 5yr hiatus; well truth be told Mother Nature spiked my interest agian. See, it's been raining almost everyday for about 3-4 weeks now here is the Southeast (Atlanta is now the new Seattle), and the fields have been absolutely covered. But that's completely off subject.

I've been researching on the net and [finally] become a member on this site. I now think I can make this work, as my first few attempts had less that desirable results. I was putting in so much work trying to keep conditions perfect, and after contams and poor yields only getting about 25% of what I should have gotten. So to the point, invigorating read, but I do have one suggestion. I see almost no mention of sterilization techniques. While you do mention the pressure cooker; you in no way mention how it should be used. If you intend for this to be guide for beginners I feel that such is vital information.



The link on grain preparation methods has instructions on sterilization times, etc. This is not intended as a guide to everything, just a way to get people to understand basic concepts, understand the way things are dona and supply some links to reading material.

There are so many different ways to do the same thing and it is up to the individual grower which to use. This is why I avoided giving specific instructions and just gave links (so a new grower can read and choose which one he likes) and only gave some general tips on each procedure.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #11092371 - 09/19/09 10:16 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

You did a great job at that thank you nibin.  it helped me alot


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: truskool]
    #11110954 - 09/23/09 04:01 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

where's a definitive debate/discussion on whether you should start with cakes or grains/bulk?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: celicara29]
    #11111310 - 09/23/09 07:07 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

There is no definitive answer.

It is very much up to the person. Are you prepared to put in the extra effort of researching all the additional techniques? Are you comfortable with and understand fully the procedures required? Do you have the extra money that is needed? Are you a clean, methodic person or at least have the capability to be so when needed?

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #11131198 - 09/26/09 11:43 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Great thread. Helped me very much. Thanks Nibin!


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    #11168485 - 10/02/09 06:11 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks man. This is really an awesome thread.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11170328 - 10/02/09 01:47 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Im wondering if anyone can give me some tips. I have a home setup in which you should be able to see the picture. My first flush came in real nice but I staggered the cakes so hopefully I could have a revolving schedule. I have noticed, it seems that the fruiting process did not begin on newer cakes and growth significantly reduced. I used Pf tek, with large fruiting chamber and heating pad. my thermo and humidity gauge are garbage but theyll be replaced. if you could take a look and let me know what may be causing this decrease in growth i would be very appreciative. Also any suggestions on preservation, drying, and minimal loss of potency????





Pic1: Topview of FC, should I cut and place plexiglass????? does chamber need holes for ventilation???
Pic2: Topview between container and light.(just an aqurium light for cichlids, is this is ok?
pic3: inside of fc (topview), cakes lay upon wire meshing cage, cage lay upon 1/2" layer of perlite. perlite has been soaked enough to where no free standing puddles exist. i have a feeling chamber may be to much. bottom left corner is thermo, and humidity gauge.pay no mind, im going digital as soon as i get money.
PIC4: Comfort heating pad for pulled muscles... lay under chamber. not sure if its keeping the temp i need. the bottom of chamber stays warm but thats all i can tell, may change that setup as well. thanks for taking the time to look.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: hey_im_a_fungi]
    #11170378 - 10/02/09 01:55 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I dont understand why you would have a heater in your FC?  Is it cold in your house?  I beleive cubes fruit best at about 74 degrees.  Also what about FAE?  I dont see any holes anywhere.  I dont see a problem with the light.  any other questions you can pm me if you want.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: truskool]
    #11170401 - 10/02/09 01:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

www.mushroomvideos.com ; will answer all your questions....


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11170508 - 10/02/09 02:19 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

i have the FC in my garage since that is kinda my own personal space and the garage floor is kinda cold. Im pretty sure you are right about the temps on cubes. I m gonna turn it off and take temps and see where im at. no holes because i usually open it to fan out and for like 20 -30 seconds. i do that twice a day. should i have vent holes?  thanks for the video link


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: hey_im_a_fungi]
    #11170574 - 10/02/09 02:35 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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should i have vent holes?  thanks for the video link



its not just a video link it shows how to make a proper shotgun Fruiting chamber to answer your vent hole question.:thumbup:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11170674 - 10/02/09 02:59 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

awesome!!!! this site is the schiz nittle bam schnip schnap.  Thanks a ton. This helps me out greatly and I now realize how many errors I was making. Much appreciation.


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    #11171455 - 10/02/09 05:57 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

Remember, drill all sides of the container. A lot of people forget to drill the bottom holes. They're required to bring moisture up into the container from the wet perlite.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11171467 - 10/02/09 06:00 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

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Remember, drill all sides of the container. A lot of people forget to drill the bottom holes. They're required to bring moisture up into the container from the wet perlite.



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    #11174592 - 10/03/09 11:04 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

I inoculated my jars on Monday, and it's been nearly a week, and I see nothing.  I was thinking the room temp was just too cold, 63-65ish (I keep the apartment kinda chilly).  I am trying to get the heat up a bit-- but is it too late even though I've seen no results this far along?  Any advice would be great!


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    #11174774 - 10/03/09 11:47 AM (2 years, 4 months ago)

if your still waiting on germination then I would get temps up around 75F then once your fruiting you can lower your temps. 
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If you must keep your environment cooler then place your jars up near the ceiling. At the top of a closet shelf or something. It's probably ten degrees warmer up there.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11176358 - 10/03/09 04:36 PM (2 years, 4 months ago)

So I am still wondering, I set my cakes on a revolving schedule and some flushed out(not nearly as many as I thought) but then some of the cakes have been in there for about a week and no pins. I noticed that there is a pin with mycelium growth on the cap. from my understanding this is an indication of too much humidity??? is this true. whats going on? how long does it take for second flush to hit, and does the cakes bruising affect the growth?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #11243710 - 10/13/09 11:58 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for all the great information. This really did help on my first grow, and again for a quick refresher.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: NathanDH]
    #11245691 - 10/14/09 11:26 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Hello im new here and very interested in growing some shrooms.  can any one help me  or show me where i can get some spores to start off with on my first try? please pm me. thanks (N)


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: nepenthes1192]
    #11245750 - 10/14/09 11:39 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

in here.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11256111 - 10/15/09 07:45 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

First, I would like to thank all involved with this site - what an excellent source of information!

I'm a noob here but have grown cubes in the past, one of the first things that caught my eye here is the fact that this site makes it clear - as I have found myself - that it's not nearly as difficult as many other sources make out.

I apologize in advance if my question has been addressed elsewhere (I read the incredibly informative info at the beginning of this thread as well as the Faq, but I'm still lost)

I want to try my hand at Azurescen from a syringe, but I'm getting mixed information.

Do I have to go Syringe/Agar/grain/substrate(wood chips)?

I realize Cubes can go straight from syringe to grain, but I'm seeing varying accounts on the flying saucers, and cutting out grain or agar would obviously save a lot of work.

(I was thinking agar till it's saturated, then maybe "casing" that with sterilized chips till they saturate for spawn, then 1 to 5 spawn to the ground with fresh chips?)


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: True blue]
    #11256266 - 10/15/09 08:06 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

almost everything you will need to know right here---------->  http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10899385


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: True blue]
    #11257299 - 10/15/09 11:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

True blue,

Read this...

http://www.shroomery.org/35/Caramel-Cap-Woodlovers



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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Roadkill]
    #11265141 - 10/17/09 10:35 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the links guys.

But that's what I'm saying... one link speaking specifically about asurescen says:

First I have prepared mycelium on a sterilized wheat grain by inoculating it from mycelium on agar. After the grain was colonized I inoculated alder chips

(I've seen this several times in reference to azurescene)

Another not specifying azurescene says:

Gently squeeze out about 0.5 to 1.0 cc of spore solution into each grain jar, splitting up the amount if you inject through more than one hole. Some people suggest using an entire cc of solution per jar, however I have had great success with only 0.5cc each.

I suspect I will try a few both ways, I was just hoping to skip a possibly unnessesary troublesome step.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: True blue]
    #11277589 - 10/19/09 12:54 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

quick question -
i want to offer to mail people free spore prints i've made. i haven't been registered here long enough to enter the marketplace, but i'm not trying to trade anyways, just giving them away for free. i don't see a rule anywhere regarding free prints - is it cool if i make a post in the cultivation section or is that not allowed? thanks


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    #11277626 - 10/19/09 01:00 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

they have giveaways in mush cult quite often, make a post. :super:

when people recieve your prints they will leave you positive trade ratings which allows other access in the free spore print/spore syringe/exotic spore print threads in the marketplace (you need at least 2 trades and 4.5 avg rating or higher to participate).

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    #11277649 - 10/19/09 01:05 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

awesome, thanks a lot for your help


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    #11372784 - 11/02/09 08:11 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

whyyyy did i not find this amazing thread sooner!?!?!? :mushroom2:


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    #11388253 - 11/04/09 09:50 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Update on the "Golden Mammoth" strain: the syringe was contaminated as fuck.  Hands down the worst syringe I've ever had, every shot has been contaminated, can't make LC or anything.  Managed to G2G out some clean stuff, still trying to get enough clean stuff to use.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Poseidon]
    #11392650 - 11/05/09 04:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Using the first method, how many grams on average ( i know there are many factors affecting this such as which kind of strain) would one expect to get from each cake?


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    #11393296 - 11/05/09 06:08 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

4g dry on Avg.  :super:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11399889 - 11/06/09 04:22 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Nibin. This thread helped a lot.:mushroom2:


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    #11401858 - 11/06/09 11:02 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

is Saline solution ok to make a spore syringe?


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    #11402391 - 11/07/09 01:36 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

No way. I think the sodium would make the cells of the spores swell too much.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11402464 - 11/07/09 02:10 AM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I found this and this.  :shrug:

try 1 with saline and 1 with sterile water side by side and see if they germinate fine or nothing at all.  I had never heard/thought of saline for syringes b4 now.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11412052 - 11/08/09 02:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

How long after inoculation should you expect to see mycelium growth?

It has been two days and i dont think i see much... but i am just a little anxious and excited


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    #11412072 - 11/08/09 02:52 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

4-10 days in my experience:stoned:


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    #11412111 - 11/08/09 02:57 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

assuming you used spores it can take up to 2 weeks
about 7-10 days is average tho

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    #11412160 - 11/08/09 03:04 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

man this is killing me,

i should find something else to keep me occupied so i dont end up checking them every 2 hours!

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: maximilian18]
    #11413000 - 11/08/09 05:14 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I normally see little white fibers on day 4-5, but it can take longer... Usually syringes are faster, but I've seen plenty of growth on day 4 with prints too.

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    #11443099 - 11/12/09 05:34 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

whats the wet to dry ratio for PE? message me with the answer please


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Bombdro]
    #11443465 - 11/12/09 06:10 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

A few n00b questions sorry,

1. what temperature do spores get destroyed at?
2. Does contamination occur wants once mycelium starts to grow or before?


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    #11443646 - 11/12/09 06:28 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

check out the link in my sig for all the info you need. I have all RR's notes explaining everything about temps, contams, and many more subjects. its also full of good teks with pictorials.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: TacoHerder]
    #11476729 - 11/18/09 02:46 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

So this "Golden Mammoth" head shop strain is, so far, putting out super tall and skinny pins, I can't relate them to B+ or anything like that.  The pins are about an inch tall (they're seriously still pins) and mega-skinny, like maybe 2-3 mm.  They are so tall that the pins start out collapsed and then begin to stand.  Consistently, too.  It may be a unique strain.  Can anyone match this to an existing strain?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Poseidon]
    #11479391 - 11/18/09 02:44 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I suppose no one could help me.

I have recently inoculated some jars using the PF method, with brown rice flour and vermiculite as well as making a honey LC. I inoculated them with spore syringes i made myself with saline solution (dont ask me why i did it i just assumed it would be ok).

I have kept the jars at room tempreture 75-80F and have left the inoculation holes open for gas exchange for almost 15 days now and no mycelium growth/ no contamination.

I have searched the effects of saline/sodium on spores but find conflicting views. Is there anyone who can give me a 100% answer as to whether i am doomed myself from the start by using saline solution. Or will the small amount of sodium in saline make no difference?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: maximilian18]
    #11491464 - 11/20/09 07:08 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

maximilian18 said:

1. what temperature do spores get destroyed at?

2. Does contamination occur once the mycelium starts to grow or before?





1. Most fungal spores 'die' somewhere around 130F if the exposure is half an hour or longer.

2. Before, During and After...
contams can pop up at any given time.



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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: maximilian18]
    #11491561 - 11/20/09 07:53 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

maximilian18 said:
I suppose no one could help me.

I have recently inoculated some jars using the PF method, with brown rice flour and vermiculite as well as making a honey LC. I inoculated them with spore syringes i made myself with saline solution (dont ask me why i did it i just assumed it would be ok).

I have kept the jars at room tempreture 75-80F and have left the inoculation holes open for gas exchange for almost 15 days now and no mycelium growth/ no contamination.

I have searched the effects of saline/sodium on spores but find conflicting views. Is there anyone who can give me a 100% answer as to whether i am doomed myself from the start by using saline solution. Or will the small amount of sodium in saline make no difference?



Great question!~

I wish you had asked this in the main forum, rather than in this thread, so more people could see it.


I was pretty sure I had the answer to this question...
but I called RR on the phone and confirmed it.

Saline = Salt solution

Salt's ph is way too high, like Bleach...
so it is toxic to them.

Plus I think it's very possible that the salt would dehydrate the spores and pull out all of the moisture from them.

Salt was used for thousands of years to preserve food...
and to this very day, Brines made with mostly Salt are still used to make Smoked fish and Beef Jerky.


So YES you doomed yourself from the very start.



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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Roadkill]
    #11494316 - 11/20/09 03:58 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Ahhh thanks for that,

No wonder i am getting no mycelium growth. However! over the last day or two in my LC i have noticed little white particles almost resembling dust which seems to like the bottom of the jar. I could be wrong but is this not the start of mycelium growth? But there is no growth in the PF jars?

If it does turn out to be mycelium and continues to grow as normal, will it have any effect on any of the future processes? (because it is toxic to the spores) e.g pinning, edibility of mushrooms etc etc?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: maximilian18]
    #11494557 - 11/20/09 04:36 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i think what you see in sediment
the salt more than likely killed your spores
if you see anything growing in the LC i wouldnt use it
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11499665 - 11/21/09 03:01 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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    #11499712 - 11/21/09 03:09 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Any of the sponsors will treat you well: http://www.shroomery.org/sponsors.php
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    #11525945 - 11/25/09 11:18 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hey all!
    I'm new to cultivation and inoculated 10 jars with a syringe using PF TEK. At some point during inoculation, it seems that a few particles of verm got sucked up into the syringe (pretty sure it's not spores, big pieces...). How did this happen and is the syringe now contaminated? I have almost half a syringe with a few big pieces of verm floating in it, stored in unrefrigerated sterlite til tomorrow.  Any info would be great as i am very green to mycology.


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Re: Vermiculite in syringe-Bad? [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11525982 - 11/25/09 11:25 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

it should be fine as long as your jars are sterile
i have had this happen too
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    #11526010 - 11/25/09 11:30 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I figured as much, that verm was sterilized in P.C., so thanks for putting my mind at ease.


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Re: Vermiculite in syringe-Bad? [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11526012 - 11/25/09 11:31 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

no problem man
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Sweet thanks Noobie, I'm sure I'll have many more Q's in the following weeks! One more thing...I'm also new to message boards and computer tech like this...I'm wondering if it is allowed to talk about specific spore vendors and their viability/reliability because my first vendor has gotten 50/50 responses in reviews and i just want to know if i should stick with that vendor or find a new one right away because i would like to order more soon. I am using one of our sponsors currently...Thanks


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Re: Vermiculite in syringe-Bad? [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11526255 - 11/25/09 12:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

as long as you use shroomery sponsors you will be takin care of. 

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Hey thanks a lot I'll stick with em then.


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    #11588876 - 12/05/09 07:37 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Hey all, 
    I'm a new cultivator with 13 pf jars colonizing(2 different strains) for 10 days on bookshelf with regular room lighthing, no lightbulbs, not in complete darkness.Lids are on tight,inoculation holes through micropore tape,foil covering holes. Everything seems to be going well;11 out of 13 jars have shown minimal to opitmal signs of growth, one strain is nearly 50% colonized, other strain is a bit sluggish, but moving. Should i loosen lids/remove foil on the slow guys? Also, I purchased a digital thermometer/hygrometer yesterday to monitor room tempertature.  I am incubating with a room temperature of 75 F, but it displays R.H at only 22! is this bad for my jars, should i get a humidifier rolling?  I plan on using this same room for fruiting, using the perlite method in shotgun terrerium.  I also want to dust and vaccuum this room in about a week, so i'm thinking i take my jars to a previously cleaned room, clean the incubation room, wait a day, then return the jars? Things are going really well, but I have a tendency to mess things up at these times in a mad panic!  I'd appreciate any advice for a noob.


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Re: low humidity while incubating/cleaning of incubation rooom [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11589076 - 12/05/09 08:50 AM (2 years, 2 months ago)

sounds like youre doing everything right so far
good job, the only thing i would do is take the foil off the jars
the mycelium needs to breathe while colonizing

the humidity in your room does not matter much at this stage
its when you fruit them you want it to be high

as for cleaning the room, sounds like you got a plan
move em out clean up move em back in

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    #11593275 - 12/05/09 09:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks again for the sage wisdom Noobieshroomie, but I am still conflicted.  I have heard to take the foil off for gas/air exchange, and the barrier of dry verm will filter out the baddies, but christ i'm afraid to even breathe when LOOKING at them, let alone take the foil off when i inspect the jars (I can't believe how patient i've been; only handled them twice in 10 days!). And then I hear that there is enough gas/FAE if you leave the foil on as long as there are holes in the lid. I'm just really afraid of contams, and then one jar messing up everything else. As i stated, about 5 jars of the same strain are really taking off (I know i'm a noob and really wouldn't know, but i see new mycelia joining DAILY ona particular strain; the other strain(8 jars)was incubated in a dark cupboard for a week with very little growth if nothing, so i put six of them on the bookshelf with the other guys, and now they are slowly beginning to colonize, one is super aggressive in particular). So this whole darkness thing is bunk as described in ALL OF ROGER RABBITS NOTES? or is it just a slow strain/old spores for these guys? Tell you what, for the sake of the experiment, I will remove foil from 1 jar on each strain (the slower looking ones)and record my data. 
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Re: low humidity while incubating/cleaning of incubation rooom [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11593309 - 12/05/09 09:20 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

its ok to be nervous the firs time you grow
lord knows i was but the dry verm layer is really all you need

and keeping the jars in the dark has been outdated for a while
jars in an open room exposed to regular light is just fine

let us know how much faster they colonize with the foil off
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    #11593350 - 12/05/09 09:30 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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    #11593395 - 12/05/09 09:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11627031 - 12/10/09 10:13 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

Does anyone know how temp effects colonization if its too cold (>65?) is this something to be concerned about or will it just slow down the process?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: trishraymond]
    #11627142 - 12/10/09 10:39 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

it will slow down the process
if it gets too cold it can stall your cakes tho

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: trishraymond]
    #11627150 - 12/10/09 10:41 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

i fruit in cold temps, but try and keep my colonization temps above 70...above 75 :lol: if can

it will still colonize...sloooowly, and pin slowly, and fruit slowly.

if youre colonizing that cold, you might have to introduce to warmer climates to get it to even start producing primordia and pins

try and take it to a high shelf, where if its 65 in your house, it might be 70+ on a high shelf.

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    #11627161 - 12/10/09 10:45 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

I dont have the patience for them to colonize slowly lol I wanna see some mycl in my little jars. time to pick up a thermometer and possibly a space heater. Thanks for the help guys :smile:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: trishraymond]
    #11627167 - 12/10/09 10:47 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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    #11627190 - 12/10/09 10:51 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

nooooooooooooooob, i need a good ebidle cluture


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    #11627207 - 12/10/09 10:54 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

watcha want?

if i dont have it i can get it
i have blue and pink oysters
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    #11627218 - 12/10/09 10:56 PM (2 years, 2 months ago)

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    #11669768 - 12/17/09 03:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Good evening,
I've got 12 pf jars at 3 weeks in. 3 of em have mycelium completely covering sides and bottom of jar, and others are following suit. But I'm wondering how do you know if colonization is complete under the verm barrier? I can clearly distinguish the verm barrier from my healthy substrate at a two dimensional view(some mycelium even seems to be reaching up into the verm barrier). Is this why we give them an extra week before birthing,duh? Just curious, I'm so close...so i plan to begin fruiting in a week?!


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    #11669770 - 12/17/09 03:35 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Good evening,
    I've got 12 pf jars at 3 weeks in. 3 of em have mycelium completely covering sides and bottom of jar, and others are following suit. But I'm wondering how do you know if colonization is complete under the verm barrier? I can clearly distinguish the verm barrier from my healthy substrate at a two dimensional view(some mycelium even seems to be reaching up into the verm barrier). Is this why we give them an extra week before birthing,duh? Just curious, I'm so close...so i plan to begin fruiting in a week?!


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    #11669854 - 12/17/09 03:43 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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    #11669965 - 12/17/09 03:57 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

best way to tell when they are done is the mycl will pull away from the jar as it consolidates, or you begin to see pinsform. then dunk and water for 24 hours, roll them in verm. mist with some water and place in the fc.


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    #11672271 - 12/17/09 09:46 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I swear verm has nutrients that mycelium eats too... no joke.

Mycelium consumes vermiculite all the time, albeit slowly, but still consumes it.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11672381 - 12/17/09 10:05 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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I swear verm has nutrients that mycelium eats too... no joke.

Mycelium consumes vermiculite all the time, albeit slowly, but still consumes it.




it pulls some minerals from it yes, verm is a mineral.

I put it in all my substrates. :thumbup:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11672418 - 12/17/09 10:10 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I never used it in substrates, but maybe it's worth a shot. Casing layer yes, but substrate no.


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    #11672426 - 12/17/09 10:12 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

it keeps things fluffy and holds a great deal of moisture.


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I never used it in substrates, but maybe it's worth a shot. Casing layer yes, but substrate no.


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    #11680454 - 12/19/09 11:06 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks Taco,
    In the last 24 hours, 3 pins have formed in one jar, one almost over 1 cm long, with about 6 more popping up in a cluster.  Thing is, the bottom doesn't look completely colonized; there's still verm showing.  Is this just verm trapped between the jar and the cake? These pins literally showed up while i was sleeping last night! Do i birth this guy? Remove pins before dunking? Check the pics and see what you think, this is my first time.





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    #11680808 - 12/19/09 12:27 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

just wondering also...I'm getting ready to birth and fruit P.F cakes, just built a shotgun F.C.  Should i put damp perlite in a few days prior to give humidity a head start? need distilled water and peroxide for perlite or not?  The room humidity is only at 26% in the cold, dry north woods, is this a problem? I have purchased a small cool mist deal in case i need room humidity/F.C. modifications.  Plan on having F.C. on coffee table about 3 feet off of floor, should I further elevate F.C. from table for those bottom holes?  This will be about five feet from big window in room, shades up during the day for lighting.  Any suggestions for a first timer? Thanks much


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11680818 - 12/19/09 12:30 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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no peroxide unless you get cobweb mold.  nothing else.:thumbup:

and you can birth those just be gentle with pins.  you can leave them on during the dunk just be easy while rolling in verm.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11680826 - 12/19/09 12:31 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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just wondering also...I'm getting ready to birth and fruit P.F cakes, just built a shotgun F.C.  Should i put damp perlite in a few days prior to give humidity a head start? need distilled water and peroxide for perlite or not?  The room humidity is only at 26% in the cold, dry north woods, is this a problem? I have purchased a small cool mist deal in case i need room humidity/F.C. modifications.  Plan on having F.C. on coffee table about 3 feet off of floor, should I further elevate F.C. from table for those bottom holes?  This will be about five feet from big window in room, shades up during the day for lighting.  Any suggestions for a first timer? Thanks much



When I first started with my Shotgun, I added the perlite a few days before and got everything prepped for the grow. Add it and make sure you can keep the humidity right on.
I personally just used sink water to rinse my perlite off with then dumped it into the F.C.
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    #11680892 - 12/19/09 12:44 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks a bunch the both of yous.  I'm off to finish th F.C then, wish me luck!


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    #11686994 - 12/20/09 02:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Hi folks, 

  I'm birthing 3 cakes tomorrow, i fixed up my perlite F.C yesterday.  I have about 3 1/2" damp perlite in the chamber, but cannot get the humidity inside past 89%.  I have been running the cool mist humidifier directly next to the F.C. on the high setting and the humidity is rising inside, but will the rest of my partially colonized jars be okay in this room with this much ambient humidity?
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    #11687046 - 12/20/09 02:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

you need 5" + to keep humidity above 95% at all times.

your coolmist is creating fae (by blowing through) and carrying your humidity away.  turn it off and add more perlite.

humidity in the room doesnt effect nor matter to colonizing jars. only after you birth them. :thumbup:

coolmist humidifiers are used for mini-greenhouse setups you dont need it.:sun:


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    #11687230 - 12/20/09 03:03 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

sweet thanks dude,
  I'll add more damp perlite tonight, but i read that ambient humidity should be at 30%; mine will only be at about 25% if i don't run the humidifier. Can i still put my cakes in tomorrow even if my F.C. isn't past 90%? I'm sure i can get it there soon enough, i must!  I gotta fuit these, the pins the showed up yesterday have doubled in size and more are popping up! This is nuts...
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    #11687299 - 12/20/09 03:20 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Birth them and dunk them now!  You can tweak the fc later but I am sure if it is a Shot gun FC then the added perlite and no more cool mist the humidity will be fine.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: CH HELL]
    #11687376 - 12/20/09 03:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

thank you Hell,

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11687808 - 12/20/09 04:57 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

if its pinning that quick then fruit the cake with all the pins.  you can dunk and roll after every harvest.  if Im late and you already dunked them :ohwell: doesnt matter its prob better that they get a drink for fruiting anyway. :thumbup:  your just a couple days away from mushies. :mushroom2:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11688747 - 12/20/09 07:24 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

13 I didn't dunk yet, but i'm minutes away! just tried to update new pics, but couldn't. 2 pins an inch long, about 4 more a cm or so in length, looks nice! birth this cake without dunking or rolling? after 1st flush? like my pic above, bottom completely covered in mycl, but not a flat white(can see many specks of verm).  Gonna go for it!
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11688784 - 12/20/09 07:30 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

you will be fine either way at this point.  dunk and roll now is always better.  but its ok if you want to put it in the fc to get fruits sooner then dunk it after it flushes.  you should dunk and roll as many times as your cakes keep poppin mushies. :thumbup:


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    #11688903 - 12/20/09 07:50 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Right on 13, I got a birthday party to go to!!!


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    #11689083 - 12/20/09 08:23 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

just got first 2 pf cakes in the dunk tank! slid out nicely; one had a two incher that made it's way through the verm barrier and has apparently been growing between the filter and the lid! he's a bit bruised up though and i'm worried he might not survive the dunk, let alone the roll, not to mention the fact that he's gonna be growing in the wrong direction, poor guy!  I'm wondering if i could dunk them 12 instead of 24 hours as they feel a bit flimsy; they have been colonizing for 25 days.  Also, There was a small, yellow discoloration i spotted in the jar yesterday that i thought was mycl piss, and discovered tonight that it was like a hard, little booger on top of my cake, so i picked it off and now a little verm is showing. Did i kill it?! Oh No!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11689106 - 12/20/09 08:29 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Oh one more thing...should i keep dunk tank in the fridge or not? I've heard both suggestions, but no reason as to why...i got em in the fridge right now weighted and covered in filtered water.


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    #11689150 - 12/20/09 08:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

yeah if they felt flimzy then a shorter dunk would be better.  just handle carefuly if you feel they are so.  but generaly cakes that are 100% fully colonized are very durible. 

some keep in the fridge for cold shocking which is not needed for tropical species such as cubensis.  others do it cuz contams are fewer in cooler temps but refridgerators can be dirty so :shrug:

I dont use the fridge, I just keep a lid/cover over them in a large pot on my counter top. oh and a plate to hold them under water in the pot.:thumbup:

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11689158 - 12/20/09 08:43 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

You are fine, fridge or no fridge it doesn't matter.  If you have a good amount of pins then dunk for 12 hours skip the roll and just sprinkle verm on the top and mist it heavy.  After your first flush dunk for 24 hours and roll.  The "hard little booger" was probably hyphea(a pin forming) if you picked it,  it won't hurt anything.
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    #11689179 - 12/20/09 08:49 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you again for putting my mind at ease 13, I'm just super excited; it's not like me to be able to pull of a project or even a hobby of this nature.  Now how do I get my F.C. to 95%+? I just added more damp perlite 2 hours ago and i'm at 90%, 72 F, no humidifier running...


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11689202 - 12/20/09 08:53 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Hell I picked a booger! how much verm on top (just a little mound?) and whats considered heavy misting and how far above F.C. should i mist? not directly into F.C. or on cakes/fruits right, just let it fall onto my babies. 3-5 times daily with fanning yes?
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11689231 - 12/20/09 09:00 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

your humidity will get up there give it time.  :sun:

yeah a lil pile of verm that will hold water for the cake to absorbe during fruiting.
dont worry bout mist hurting anything but full sized shrooms it could rot your mushies if they stay wet for more than a couple hours.  pins can handle a dunk so direct mist is fine. :stoned:

mist so things have a "glisten" but not soaked or puddling.  if its too wet it will delay new pins from forming cuz the myc isnt getting fae just water.

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    #11689274 - 12/20/09 09:13 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Sweet! will be posting updates soon! Thanks!


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    #11692425 - 12/21/09 01:02 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Hey people,

  Got two half pint cakes dunked for 16 hours, just checked em' 2 hours ago and they seem okay; pins are intact, one i would say is not a pin anymore, he's a mushroom about 3" long,who grew past the verm barrier searching for something, and unfortunately got bruised growing against the glass i guess(I tapped him out very carefully when i noticed him upon opening the jar!).  Still a layer of verm attached to the dunked cake; rinsed most of it off initially, but didn't want to pick away at it. Will rinse again. Should I make sure I have a solid white cake before rolling and scrape it off, or is that old verm gonna be okay? It seems that that is where any contaminants (Though I've seen none yet) would hang out, and now they are wet, giving them nutrients to propagate! Also, got a 30 qt. shotgun F.C. with 5" perlite for 2 days to get ready, but just got it from 90-92% from misting and fanning every 2 hours since this morning, no humidifier on. Can I put them in this new environment at 92%  I guess a few hours from now i won't have a choice! And not to discredit the opinions of those who have responded to me in the past 72 hours if I'm asking the same questions, i just don't know who is viewing and i want as many viewpoints as i can get!  But again thank you all for your input, the proof is in the proverbial (or primordial) pudding eh!
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11692454 - 12/21/09 01:09 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Still a layer of verm attached to the dunked cake; rinsed most of it off initially, but didn't want to pick away at it. Will rinse again. Should I make sure I have a solid white cake before rolling and scrape it off, or is that old verm gonna be okay?


as long as you rinsed and got as much as you can off then your good to go. :sun:


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Can I put them in this new environment at 92%



yup, just do your best to keep the humidity up.  you only need 3-4 air exchanges a day so every 2 hours might be overkill but as long as your humidity is holding its fine. :thumbup:
did you make the shotgun fc like the video with 1/4" holes every 2" on all 6 sides (including the bottom)?  that is key for air flow to bring humidity up in the fc...make sure its up off the table or whatever its on so air can get under the fc for proper air current.

just making sure I dont miss anything that would be important :grin:

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    #11692749 - 12/21/09 01:51 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thank You again 13,

    Yeah I've had a few days off of work(until the first of the year and the week after!) to birth my children, and want them to transfer to optimal fruiting conditions, so I'll probably mist/fan 3-5 times per day while off work, then 3 times a day when I'm back to work. Do you think I'll be O.K?  Don't wanna spoil the children though...


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    #11692888 - 12/21/09 02:07 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah 13 I got it raised 6" off of a 3 ft coffee table near a big window, no lighting except ambient,only an hour or two a day from  regular light bulbs if that matters.


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    #11692970 - 12/21/09 02:16 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

you need 12/12 indirect sunlight or 12/12 artificial cfl lighting.

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    #11693100 - 12/21/09 02:34 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

but 12 hours on/12 hours off regardless of lighting technique? The sun comes up around 7p.m. and goes down by 5 p.m., so can I be blissfully ignorant, pull the shades and let my regular lamp light this room a few hours a day or get CFL lights to constantly heat at 12 hours?


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    #11693222 - 12/21/09 02:53 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

yup, dont put the cfl too close (if you get one) so heat is not a factor. :thumbup:


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    #11717101 - 12/25/09 01:15 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Happy Holidays Shroomies!

        Happy to say that 2 cakes birthed 4 days ago are fruiting nicely (I think; 10-13 fruits at at least per cake, but half of those popped up and grew before birthing ) I have 2 nice lookin fruits, one about 5 inches in length that was discovered at about 2 inches in the jar!  Both have broken veils and gills are visible/caps have flattened out, But the big guy has had this bristly fuzz at his base up to about 3 inches, and a few others as well.  Is this just mycelium growth after birth, or cobweb mold? Is my humidity too high? I mist and fan 3-4 times per day in a 30 qt. shotgun, but my hygrometer won't go past 90% on most days.  It's a $20.00 digital thermometer/hygrometer combo by Holmes.  I hear lately that these are inaccurate, so can someone tell me what i need?  Still a nice mushroom smell in the F.C. Also, fruits seem to be growing down or sideways.  I hear that light is the last of the pinning triggers, so i give them ambient light for about 10 hrs. a day, but it's about 5 ft. from a window, so do i need CFL lighting to make them grow upwards?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11717313 - 12/25/09 02:10 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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But the big guy has had this bristly fuzz at his base up to about 3 inches, and a few others as well.  Is this just mycelium growth after birth, or cobweb mold?



just myc, no biggie. :mushroom2:

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I mist and fan 3-4 times per day in a 30 qt. shotgun, but my hygrometer won't go past 90% on most days.  It's a $20.00 digital thermometer/hygrometer combo by Holmes.  I hear lately that these are inaccurate, so can someone tell me what i need?



digi hygrometers are crap mine burnt out once the humidity was above 95%.  cigar humidors at tobacco shops have analog (manual calibration) hygrometers that you calibrate with a damp towel wrapped around them for an hour and adjust the calibration screw to 99 once you have done so.  they run $15 on up for nice ones.

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so do i need CFL lighting to make them grow upwards?



you said you had invitro growth b4 you birthed them so they were already growing in that direction then once you dunked and rolled and put them in the sgfc the cake was just upside down.  its not a problem they will either grow upside down just fine or they will curl back the right way. :sun:

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    #11717758 - 12/25/09 04:21 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

And a Merry X mas to you 13,
        Just picked the big guy and misted again; the next guy that is ready to pick is attached at the base to a fruit that is days away(in my noob opinion)from full maturity.Should I sacrifice the smaller fruit and pick it all, or let the more mature fruit overfruit? Wet fruit in paper bag in fridge okay for a few days?
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    #11718169 - 12/25/09 06:30 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

You should start your own post more people would see it. 
The choice is yours on the mature fruit you can leave it and get spores all over or cut it near the base with scissors and remove the rest when they are ready.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: CH HELL]
    #11718367 - 12/25/09 07:37 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you hell,

      I picked the big fruit and put it in the fridge; it has been turning a bright blue, picked a few more that were ready and put them in a loosely wrapped paper bag, and there is bright blue where I plucked them off the cake, figured that was normal bruising. Seems that more are unveiling before my eyes; so i wonder, when is it safe to say the flush is over and time to dunk again and when to call an abort an abort?
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    #11724607 - 12/27/09 04:26 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

So i harvested 100 g wet from 2 cakes yesterday, but do not have a fan for drying.  They have been sitting on a bookshelf under a ceiling fan on high for about 12 hours, and are feeling and appearing quite dry. How long should I keep this up?  I could not find any desiccant in my area, but a fellow at home depot recommended ice melter, which contains calcium chloride, salt, and a magnesium something or other.  How much of this should i use?  I plan on using a medium sized Tupperware for drying. Thanks.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11724701 - 12/27/09 05:24 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

You want them to end up cracker dry. That ice melter stuff will work, and a big bag is pretty cheap.


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    #11724870 - 12/27/09 06:49 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Wow, I can't believe this place is as bigg as it is with all these rules...yet "showing everyone respect" isn't a requirement...

So basically, if you are new, what he is saying is don't ask questions or else you'll be flamed


Don't ask for spores or you will be banned

Don't talk to people or you will be flamed

If you aren't a pro, don't talk....most of the assholes don't care what you have to say but if you talk, they will flame you

Holding any ideology other than the ignorance embraced here will be subject to suspension after flaming...

Having an opinion other than that of the common douche is unacceptable....

Helping others is frowned upon...

Though the search function only comes up with 5,000 pages of crap unrelated to your search, it is your responsibility to read on your own even if the info isn't available, all others will be flamed for any intelligent questions they might have...

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    #11725331 - 12/27/09 09:08 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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rizingfire said:
Wow, I can't believe this place is as bigg as it is with all these rules...yet "showing everyone respect" isn't a requirement...

So basically, if you are new, what he is saying is don't ask questions or else you'll be flamed


Don't ask for spores or you will be banned

Don't talk to people or you will be flamed

If you aren't a pro, don't talk....most of the assholes don't care what you have to say but if you talk, they will flame you

Holding any ideology other than the ignorance embraced here will be subject to suspension after flaming...

Having an opinion other than that of the common douche is unacceptable....

Helping others is frowned upon...

Though the search function only comes up with 5,000 pages of crap unrelated to your search, it is your responsibility to read on your own even if the info isn't available, all others will be flamed for any intelligent questions they might have...

Sorry, not to be a dick but it is true....and funny in a sad way. To think of all the people who could be helped if there was a no flaming policy in the cultivation forums....yet no one does anything to better the environment here. This site has so much potential...




Who is aimed at?  Doc T??:confused:
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ZLeiterman said:
So i harvested 100 g wet from 2 cakes yesterday, but do not have a fan for drying.  They have been sitting on a bookshelf under a ceiling fan on high for about 12 hours, and are feeling and appearing quite dry. How long should I keep this up?  I could not find any desiccant in my area, but a fellow at home depot recommended ice melter, which contains calcium chloride, salt, and a magnesium something or other.  How much of this should i use?  I plan on using a medium sized Tupperware for drying. Thanks.
      P.S.-how long should cakes dunk after the first flush, I'm currently at 15 hours. And should they be rolled again?




Salt or rice works then seal them in a pint/quart jar or they will absorb humdity from the air.
12-24 hour dunk is fine, no need to roll again.
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    #11725729 - 12/27/09 10:44 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Help with cultivation on the mexicana.

It's been about three weeks now.  I started with 4 quart jars.
Only 2 of them have just a pinky size blot of white mycelia growth.  I've had people tell me to turn down the temp, turn up the temp.
Help...

Here is what i did.
4 Quart Jars
Poked whole in Jar, closed up hole with PolyFill.
I used Rye Berries, as i was told that was best for Mexicana.  I added 300ml rye, and 150 ml water.  Pressure cooked it for an hour.  Waited for it to cool.

Flamed needle and inoculated.  Put in old fridge with heat lamp thats pointed down and put jars in Cardboard box that keeps out all light. At first kept it at 75 F, now keeping it at 80 F.  Humidity is around 75% inside the fridge.

Growth Seems AWFULLY Slow.  I was told the mycelia should quickly spread thought out the jar, and then the slow process would be the growth of the truffles.

Any clues as what i have done wrong, or whats going on?

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Re: Mexicana Strain A [Re: iboston]
    #11725840 - 12/27/09 11:03 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Iboston it sounds like they are not getting any gas exchange if they are in a fridge make sure the door is open.  The other factors are not that important,  temps between 69-80f are fine,  humidity is not an issue,  light also not an issue.
Give them some air and you should be fine.
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Re: Mexicana Strain A [Re: CH HELL]
    #11726241 - 12/27/09 12:06 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mexicana Strain A [Re: CH HELL]
    #11730425 - 12/28/09 07:44 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Mexicana Strain A [Re: iboston]
    #11731641 - 12/28/09 12:17 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Can anyone tell me why my jars are pinning early? I have some cakes that were 95%+ colonized with 6-10 large pins that survived a dunk or two and are fruiting with no signs of contamination, but just checked an incubating jar that is barely at 80% and had 4 fat pins show up today.  The jars have been colonizing for 33 days on a bookshelf in front of a large window at about 74-76F; I here that's quite a while. so I'm thinking that my substrate has dried out and has gone into survival mode?  I don't think it would be worth to crumble and case since i don't have that many cakes left, what should i do?


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Re: Mexicana Strain A [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11731686 - 12/28/09 12:28 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

sounds like its dry or bacteria.  if its pinning then the myc thinks its fully colonized cuz it cant colonize any further for some reason (contams or conditions arent right).  if you dont see molds its 1 of the 2 that I stated.  if its colonized all but the bottom its prob bacteria.  myc will still eat dry sub if its getting moisture from the rest of it. 

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Re: Mexicana Strain A [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11731781 - 12/28/09 12:49 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

13 I 4 holes in the lid through the micropore tape, the rubber seal is up, foil was left on for first 2 1/2 weeks.  Nothing but dry verm for protection, but no VISIBLE contaminants.  They have slowed but have not stalled; i have been tracking growth these last few days that i've seen pins, so it's still visibly colonizing.  Thanks 13


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    #11732772 - 12/28/09 03:41 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

im ordering everything in two weeks its going to be my first grow.  i need helpful tips for the grow bag and how it works  do i add aything before i inject or just inject put n place and let grow will someone plese help e so i dnt lose any money on this


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    #11732792 - 12/28/09 03:45 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11600205#11600205

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Re: need help [Re: 13shrooms]
    #11742678 - 12/30/09 12:26 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

I have two pf cakes that pinned in vitro, were dunked but not rolled, and fruited for about 5 days, then harvested about 50 g each. They were picked clean and then dunked and rolled immediately again 4 days ago and have been reintroduced to fruiting conditions, but have shown no sign of growth.  Should I wait a few days after harvesting before dunking again? I'm misting 4 times in a 24 hour period with about 8+ F.A.E, so I'm wondering if they're waterlogged cuz I misted kinda heavy at first, and they feel a bit heavy themselves. I have 3 more cakes in the same F.C. that pinned in the jar as well directly after full colonization that have grown to nice proportions (20g+) but only 5-8 fruits on those cakes, as opposed to the 10-15 fruits; though smaller, on the first two. I'm just wondering if I ruined my first flush or had a 'false flush' or something or how long I should leave them in fruiting conditions after picking a significant amount? Or is this simply the nature of cakes and should move to grain? please Help a noob out, thanks.


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Re: need help [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11782250 - 01/07/10 08:34 AM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Zleiterman, are you sure when you harvested them they were fully mature? I heard that generally, when the veil starts to break is a good time to harvest.


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"Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: shred805]
    #11802425 - 01/10/10 01:24 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Hello everyone, this is my first post.  I am setting up a fairly elaborate growing system for my first grow.  I have done a ton of research and feel confident that I will not fail my first grow.  I have spent the last 2 months reading "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" twice and collecting equipment.  It seems that everywhere I turn on the internet, everyone is still using the cake method whereas the handbook says to just put a casing layer right in your jar and fruit from there.  I have not seen anyone do this on the internet.  I am sure some of you are familiar with this book, I believe it was published in 2003?  Anyway I just wanted opinions on this version of the PF TEK. 

My setup:
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substrate: brown rice flour, wheat bran, bee pollen, gypsum, lime, and very finely ground horse manure

...and a casing layer of vermiculite?  ...says the book.

Pressure Cooker

I constructed a massive glove box that holds my home made incubator and allows me to remove my jars from the cooker, inoculate, and seal in the incubator all within the glove box.  The box is under negative filtered air pressure while I do this virtually eliminating any chance for contamination.

The fruiting chamber is a bin rigged with a Tropic Aire humidifier, and air pump for gas exchange, and an 18" grow light.  All of which are on three separate timers.  Also it has a hygrometer and thermometer.

My intention was to put a hole on the bottom with a plug so I can drain condensation.  Or do I lay perlite down and do cakes?  I feel like using cakes opens up doors for contamination.  Will I have less yield if I leave them in the jars?  The handbook shows a photograph of about 13-15 "teen-age" pins coming from their jar.  Is this comparable to a cake under optimal conditions?


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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: Product Z]
    #11805071 - 01/10/10 08:39 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

Hi Veebers,
  Check me out: I harvest when the gills are fully exposed, veil has broken, cap has flattened(but not full con caved), i see purple spores on my perlite,etc.  Problem is that most of these fruits on the 2nd flush(update to last post, they have pinned and exhausted a 2nd flush, but took almost 10 days to pin again, no break between dunking) mature to about 2 inches in length, cap at about 2-4 cm. I had over twice as many fruits on my 2nd flush, but only half the weight of my first flush, no boomers over 5 g, biggest on first flush was 28 g. Dunkin' n rollin', shuckin n' jivin. Sometimes it seems that the next flush is way ahead of the current flush; I am simply determining this by number of pins that pop up in the first 3-4 days and their rate of growth.  Most of my cakes have pinned in the jars at 90-100% colonization, survived a dunk/and or roll(i don't roll if i have a lot of pins or pins that have matured past an inch or more, put a spoon full of verm on top). I also had pins in a jar that grew way too big before 95%(big guys growing through dry verm filter) so i took off the lid and scraped off most of the filter, left in jar and introduced to fruiting conditions with no dunk or roll(incubation 35 days).  The initial big guys are doing fine, but there are fruits that can't make it to the top due to spacial issues obviously.  Some of the slackers are bruising from the pressure, so should i pick the big fruits, sacrifice the slackers and dunk finally?  The jar is completing colonization in fruiting conditions.  Also, how to know if a pin is rotten?  Thank you for your help
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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11805496 - 01/10/10 10:15 PM (2 years, 1 month ago)

SHIT SHIT SHIT!!!

    This is my first grow with 7 half pint cakes in 1 terrarium; 4 have already fruited & on 2nd flush, 3 new cakes introduced days ago are prospering. Sadly, a cake on it's 2nd flush that had promising pins and decent fruits showed what i think was trich, a mossy green on a third of the cake, not blue bruising, which just popped up today on what has been a healthy cake since 3 weeks ago. No pictures because i removed it immediately, picked healthy looking fruits (can I eat these, they look fine?), and threw it out into the snow.  What to do with the remaining healthy cakes that are in that F.C? Move to a new F.C? I just saw this today, so I don't know how much time I have. Please help, things were going so well...Also, where does this trichoderma come from and how can I avoid it?  I generally run a clean ship; was planning on cleaning the whole apt. tomorrow because I wanted to 'nocc up more on Tuesday, but now i don't know what to do! Beginners luck i guess


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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11836432 - 01/15/10 03:41 PM (2 years, 29 days ago)

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Doesn't he want positive pressure guys?? Negative pressure would pull particles into his chamber. No?


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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11836831 - 01/15/10 04:42 PM (2 years, 28 days ago)

Boooooooo! Threw out one more cake two days ago that was adjacent to the trich cake, motherfucker grabbed my next best cake!!! Picked of 20 g wet of healthy lookin fruits and I ate those fuckers based on a R.R statement that trich was non-toxic to humans.  I physically had an ok time(did not get sick until I forced myself to get sick; wanted it to end abruptly after the onset; way too speedy and anxious like feeling). That was also my first fresh shroom experience, with tea i might add.  Threw out one more today that was soggy as shit and crumpled it into the sink noticing that the inside looked hardly colonized. Waterlogged? I have 4 remaining healthy cakes, 2 I'm not sure what they will do, they are being quarantined while I bake off the old perlite in both F.C's and clean the chamber. Three 1/2 pint jars from this grow still not 100% colonized going on 60 days! Still heavy pinning in jar, one at 100% since last week.  Just knocked up 14 more jars in my uber-clean domicile, but half I think had substrate that looked too wet after P.C.ing, looks dense and thick with no visible air space compared to the others.  The standard ratio seems too dry, so i adjusted accordingly until a few drops squeezed out of my hand. Sorry for the long post as always, just so bummed that things went from great to complete SHIT!!!FUCK!!!


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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11837630 - 01/15/10 06:54 PM (2 years, 28 days ago)

Well buddy it happens.
Don't adjust the mixture dryer is better,  wetter you get cakes that take 60+ days to colonize or don't colonize 100% ever.
Clean those fc's good or it will come back bake that perlite or get new.
If you have any questions let us know,  don't get too discouraged you have gotten fruits witch is better than some here.
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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: CH HELL]
    #11838212 - 01/15/10 08:44 PM (2 years, 28 days ago)

Thanks for the boost in confidence Hell,
    Both F.C's cleaned with hot soapy H2O, fan dried, perlite rinsed, baked at 375, then rinsed again and put back into chamber.  The four healthy cakes have been reintroduced and the two iffy ones are in their own F.C. until i see some life come out of them, if they snuff it they will become tea!  Those two are fully colonized, but there are some grey, almost silver blotches on both between the myc and the verm casing.  I thought they smelled kinda funny, like wet dirt or potting soil, not really foul or sour, but different from the others.  I think the perlite might have just gotten skunky after a month now, cuz it smells better. But I'm exhausted; I've pulled 28g dry off 8 cakes in a month, but only feel mildly successful.  I have learned a valuable lesson in patience, but would like to move on to grain and bulk casing after this next grow (I guess about a month).  So if you can recommend the perfect tek for g2g and bulk casing and offer me your wisdom, I would dig it.
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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11841424 - 01/16/10 12:45 PM (2 years, 28 days ago)

Well that dirt smell is trich,  if the cakes themselves smell like that toss em.  If they are grey give them a good spaying with H2O2(3% full strength US) if its cob web it will sizzle and then repeat in 12 hours.

Here is a link that will answer most of your questions so you can start doing grain/bulk.  I you have question post on that thread and one of my friends or myself will gladly answer,  and it will get seen by more people there.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11533599

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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: CH HELL]
    #11843323 - 01/16/10 06:23 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

My air coming in is HEPA filtered.  But im still wondering about opinions on fruiting in the jars vs. cakes.  Is there a thread on this somewhere?  Did I waist my time joining this community or am I just in the wrong place?  I would love to hash out my system and first time grow with some pros.


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    #11843457 - 01/16/10 06:48 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

If you fruit in the jars the fruiting surface is minimized. The cakes, all but one side has a chance to fruit.


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    #11843765 - 01/16/10 07:58 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

do you know if it is ok to eat the fuzzy white stuff that grows on the bottom of the shrooms?


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    #11844803 - 01/16/10 11:09 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

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do you know if it is ok to eat the fuzzy white stuff that grows on the bottom of the shrooms?



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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11847621 - 01/17/10 02:05 PM (2 years, 27 days ago)

Thanks CH Hell,
  Yeah, I'm not 100% confident in my p.f. tek, but i guess you gotta start somewhere, so I'll move to grains or maybe crumble and case this next batch of p.f cakes. Thanks for the link, I'm sure you'll be hearing from me soon!
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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #11849342 - 01/17/10 07:06 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

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If you fruit in the jars the fruiting surface is minimized. The cakes, all but one side has a chance to fruit.



I guess that makes sense and I assumed as much but nothing in this book mentions anything about the yield.  It just claims that if you keep it in the jar, you will have better shaped mushrooms.  Anyway, here is another question.  If I am able to maintain 99% humidity in my terrarium, do I still need to use Perlite?  I would like to avoid it if I can to lower the risk of it getting scummy correct?  If I can avoid it, what would I place the cakes on?  Anything?  Ideas/suggestions?


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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: Product Z]
    #11849354 - 01/17/10 07:08 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

Perlite is the best way to humidify an FC, really. At least on a small scale.
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    #11849364 - 01/17/10 07:10 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

yeah it just dries out, no moisture left to get scummy.
but if you decide to go with out you need a mesh or grated something to set them on or just the jars lids are what most do. 
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    #11851005 - 01/18/10 12:48 AM (2 years, 26 days ago)

my cakes always turn really blue when they are flushing, does anyone know how to keep them from turning blue? cuz it doesn't look healthy?


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    #11851331 - 01/18/10 03:42 AM (2 years, 26 days ago)

Bluing usually indicates drying. Mist as needed, dunk if you have to.


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    #11853091 - 01/18/10 12:26 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

how long should I let them soak in the water? do you think I should coat them with a wet layer of vermiculite?


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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: jball]
    #11853150 - 01/18/10 12:32 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

dunk for 24 hours
then roll in dry verm
let them sit in the FC for 2-3 hours
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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11854106 - 01/18/10 03:17 PM (2 years, 26 days ago)

what is fc? where do I look up all these abbreviations that are used on this site? do you know what wbs means? Do you dunk and roll when you first take them out of the jars?


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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: jball]
    #11855207 - 01/18/10 05:43 PM (2 years, 25 days ago)

Im new here so I dont know what WBS is but FC = Fruiting Chamber


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    #11855216 - 01/18/10 05:44 PM (2 years, 25 days ago)

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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: TacoHerder]
    #11855376 - 01/18/10 06:13 PM (2 years, 25 days ago)

Here you guys go...
The first one is the Glossary witch will give you ALL the abbreviations.

http://www.shroomery.org/5101/Getting-Started

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Re: "Psilocybin:The Mushroom Handbook" says no cakes in PF TEK; just jars [Re: CH HELL]
    #11870458 - 01/21/10 03:33 AM (2 years, 23 days ago)

well, that cleared up alot for me


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #11873919 - 01/21/10 04:08 PM (2 years, 23 days ago)

Just so people know spores are only illegal in 3 states here in the USA, since the spores do not contain Psilocybin or Psilocin! Here are the states that they are illegal - California, Georgia and Idaho! So who ever thinks they are there not!


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    #11876422 - 01/21/10 10:35 PM (2 years, 22 days ago)

Really only illegal in two states.

Georgia and Idaho. In California they can be used for study, however none can be shipped into California.


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    #11892000 - 01/24/10 02:37 PM (2 years, 20 days ago)

Hey All,
I'm midway through my first PF TEK grow and just began my 2nd, and my question is this: How long should I wait after a flush to dunk/roll again and what environment should the cake be in after a flush has exhausted? I have been leaving the cake(s) in fruiting conditions for up to 5 days after said flush is harvested before dunking, and compared to dunking immediately after harvesting I see no real difference in time between a 2nd or 3d flush, just looking for experienced opinions. I also seem to be getting 1 or 2 big fruits (28g+ wet)on a 2nd flush, the other 20-30 fruits tiny/aborted/rotten. Do I have big, mutant fruits sucking up all the life from my cake? I plan to move to rye or WBS after this 2nd grow...Thank you all...And to CH Hell, I described a wet/dirt like smell in my quarantine FC that you say is Trich, but the 1 cake has fruited amazingly and his 2 neighbors are following suit. I have not spotted any green bastard on these cakes, but the smell is different from my other FC (smells like healthy button mushrooms) and destroyed 2 trich cakes from that environment, with no new contams.
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11892498 - 01/24/10 03:45 PM (2 years, 20 days ago)

For the dunking as soon as the first flush is harvested dunk it and you don't roll it again.
Large fruit will use allot of energy from the cakes and the other fruits stall or abort so don't pick them unless you are sure they aborted.
The dirt smell could just be your perlite,  but cobweb and trich have a dirt like smell.
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    #11894010 - 01/24/10 06:46 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Thank You CH Hell as always, you da man!

    Upon further research in the past week, I have decided that the funky smell was Cobweb mold (Saw a silvery, Grey color on the top of my cake.  I sprayed ALL cakes,perlite,FC thrice with pure hydrogen peroxide and heard the sizzle for rizzle for at least 30 seconds, but have not resprayed since. I assumed the pins/fruits with black,fuzzy heads have aborted and harvested them, the next pinset seems to be coming in ahead of schedule whist I decide who is aborted and who's not.  Once they get to growing, it's hard to figure out who is who anymore...So I dunk after harvest now, Thank You again Hell
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    #11894428 - 01/24/10 07:39 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Sounds like you have a good grasp of things now Z. :headbanger:
If you still smell the "dirt" give it another H2O2 spray and if you hear any sizzle :foshizzle: give it another spray 12 hours later.
Always dunk after each flush complete harvest other wise I think you are ready to start posting on the cultivation board.
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    #11896427 - 01/25/10 02:59 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Sweet...where is this cultivation board you speak of? sorry I'm still a dumbass about navigating a website. Love the devil horns by the way, fuckin' metal!!!


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    #11897073 - 01/25/10 08:30 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

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    #11897087 - 01/25/10 08:33 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

(Beavis)-"Oh...Oh yeah!" Noobie on the noobie thread, go figure.


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    #11897691 - 01/25/10 10:36 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

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    #11897719 - 01/25/10 10:41 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

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Sweet...where is this cultivation board you speak of? sorry I'm still a dumbass about navigating a website. Love the devil horns by the way, fuckin' metal!!!




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click on that then scroll down to see many many threads. :super:

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    #11897967 - 01/25/10 11:33 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

No Noobie Shroomie I did not send for you! I was referring to myself; the stupid noob who's been using computers for twenty years now but can't seem to navigate his way through a goddamn message board! Yet I can grow mushrooms apparently.  But your input has always been helpful and welcome to me, so thanks, wondered what happened to you. And thanks for the link 13Shrooms, checkin' out now, ready for grain or wbs i think...I ask one more question here, i believe i am experiencing overlay on some cakes, this bumpy, yet fluffy looking myc is colonizing my casing layer and verm pile on the top of said cakes. It's soft and fluffy; removed some with a tweezers to see if it bruised or turned into a fast spreading trich that i have recently experienced in the same chamber. Smells like mushrooms...things that make you go hmmmmmmmm...
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11898013 - 01/25/10 11:41 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

your cakes are fine
its just the mycelium colonizing the verm
that bumpy myc you see will soon turn into pins

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    #11898029 - 01/25/10 11:44 AM (2 years, 19 days ago)

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I ask one more question here, i believe i am experiencing overlay on some cakes, this bumpy, yet fluffy looking myc is colonizing my casing layer and verm pile on the top of said cakes. It's soft and fluffy; removed some with a tweezers to see if it bruised or turned into a fast spreading trich that i have recently experienced in the same chamber. Smells like mushrooms...things that make you go hmmmmmmmm...
    Thank you,
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Could be normal but it sounds like the RH is low and the myc is looking for moister.
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    #11898581 - 01/25/10 01:11 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Thank you as always for the reassurance Noobieshroomie, things look and smell ok, I figured it was healthy myc but how would i know? As far as humidity goes CH Hell, it may have dropped a bit. My digital hygro/thermometer has read 88% for over a week where I was used to seeing it read 90-91%, but I hear that these are known for being inaccurate compared to analog hygros. I was running a small cool-mist for about 4 hours a day in intervals, but ceased due to laziness and advisement's against room humidifiers. Also, the ambient temp is between 74-78F because i have new jars colonizing in the same room. The cat closet is attached to this room, is that where my trich came from, poopy kitties?   
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    #11898622 - 01/25/10 01:17 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

Trich is tricky...lol:facepalm:
No but seriously you can pick up trich spores anywhere it is hard to tell where they come from(unless you never leave your house).  The cat box I don't think would be a problem as long as your FC isn't sitting on the floor,  but like I said trich can come from anywhere.
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    #11898820 - 01/25/10 01:54 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID TRICH!!! Boo!!!


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    #11898848 - 01/25/10 01:58 PM (2 years, 19 days ago)

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STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID STUPID TRICH!!! Boo!!!




Yeap, you said it.  Although it is a good learning experience,  it is better to get it now on a couple cakes than have a bunch of mono tubs lost to it.
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    #11907668 - 01/26/10 06:42 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

To CH Hell, 13Shrooms, Noobieshroomie, TacoHearder, and any other friends that have helped or influenced me along the way: I'm sorry if i missed your names or the help you gave(This feels like a band thank-you list, only shorter by far. I have moved on to the cultivation forum advised by CH Hell and am gettin on as i say,and hope to stray from the noobie thread although it was a great place to begin and gain all of your advice; I hope you will aid me in my coming tribulations and lead me to bigger and better knowledge and understanding.
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    #11907669 - 01/26/10 06:42 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

To CH Hell, 13Shrooms, Noobieshroomie, TacoHearder, and any other friends that have helped or influenced me along the way: I'm sorry if i missed your names or the help you gave(This feels like a band thank-you list, only shorter by far. I have moved on to the cultivation forum advised by CH Hell and am gettin on as i say,and hope to stray from the noobie thread although it was a great place to begin and gain all of your advice; I hope you will aid me in my coming tribulations and lead me to bigger and better knowledge and understanding.
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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11907775 - 01/26/10 06:56 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

any time bro
if you need anything feel free to ask
thats what were here for

i have been reading your posts and watching you learn
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    #11907996 - 01/26/10 07:33 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

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any time bro
if you need anything feel free to ask
thats what were here for

i have been reading your posts and watching you learn
and i have to say im impressed:thumbup:
you are making wonderful progress keep up the good work

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Agreed,  you are doing great!  Some people ask for help the don't listen,  but you listen and learn and that is the most important part in this hobby.
Also don't feel like I am pressuring you in to making your own thread,  if you don't feel comfortable doing that then post on the AMU thread in my sig. 
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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: CH HELL]
    #11908552 - 01/26/10 08:46 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)



by the looks of this dose it look like it will go the distance ? im optimistic but it only goes so far.


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    #11908778 - 01/26/10 09:13 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

by the looks of it that thing is messed up man
i know what the white part is but what is the other colored part?
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    #11908823 - 01/26/10 09:20 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

believe it or not it looks amazing compared to what it looked like prior to that prior to that i wsa going to just thow it away because there was slight orange contam spot on the side of it but i said the hell with it and birthed it before growth had even started just to clean the jar i left the cake sitting in a ghetto FC from a big water jug well i got busy and never threw it away the next day there was growth all over the cake and now its spread even more and its consuming the orange now like i said that pic is over 8 hours old there is twice the growth now then in the picture minus the color dose that look sorta right ? this is my first grow


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    #11908864 - 01/26/10 09:26 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

naw man that things toast
sorry to say

you want it all white before you take it out of the jar
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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11908871 - 01/26/10 09:27 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

Your pic isn't very clear but from what you said I am guessing that the white is trich..  Hang on to it and see what happens,  the worst thing that could happen is you learn something.  I wouldn't be too optimistic with that cake though.
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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: CH HELL]
    #11908925 - 01/26/10 09:37 PM (2 years, 17 days ago)

everything is a learning experience thanks for your opinions im gonna ruff this one out till i get my new spore samples and like you said the worst that could happen is that i learn something and ive learned a lot already from what ive done with this already

BTW the White growth appeared today how long do you think it will be before i will know for sure its trich or not its pretty warm in the room i have it in /dose trich grow faster than Mycelium ?


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    #11910284 - 01/27/10 07:07 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

The white growth is still going and has all but consumed\grown over the orange dinge so if it stays white for the next 2-3 weeks im in the clear right?


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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11910428 - 01/27/10 08:11 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

yes trich grows way faster than mushroom mycelium
trich mycelium is also white and will soon turn green

i give that cake 3 days tops before its green

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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11910514 - 01/27/10 08:31 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

but if its not then im in the clear so to speak ?


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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11910535 - 01/27/10 08:38 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

Wait and see. That's the only way to know.
It wil either pin, or turn green, or get slimy and start to stink.
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    #11910560 - 01/27/10 08:44 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

Thank you I'm not ultra optimistic but positive is good  :laugh: I really want to see pins too and the growth really isn't per-say fast its consistent tho I inoced this thing more than i needed to but I wasn't sure if the spore were good or not so i used a lot if in a few days its not :frown: greened all up ill get more pics to put up

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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11910586 - 01/27/10 08:49 AM (2 years, 17 days ago)

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Aradar said: Thank you I'm not ultra optimistic but positive is good



I didn't mean that to be positive. I think that cake is bad.


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well shit heres to hopeing on miricles then untill i get more spore samples lmao


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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11914899 - 01/27/10 08:28 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

One bad thing that can happen is you can contaminate the hell out of your FC and other working spaces with whatever you do have growing there; leaving it difficult to avoid future contaminations even after what you think is a good cleaning.  Im a noob too...just sayin


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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Product Z]
    #11914982 - 01/27/10 08:42 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

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One bad thing that can happen is you can contaminate the hell out of your FC and other working spaces with whatever you do have growing there; leaving it difficult to avoid future contaminations even after what you think is a good cleaning.  Im a noob too...just sayin


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    #11915319 - 01/27/10 09:37 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

i don't really care so much its not a life or death thing its just for fun i know your suppose to cut your losses right away but I'm trying to learn as much as possible even if it means failing pretty badly
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this is funny but really true

and update growth is still nice and white and slowly growing i thought it as going fast but after the first day i noticed growth its not really growing fast at all the whole cake isn't even covered yet  ? if this was mold wouldn't the whole cake be covered already or be sporing by now its had white growth for 5 days counting today and no earth smell of any kind i cant really smell any thing past what i cleaned the jug with which was a Lysol spray so it smells like some flowery stuff atm lol any way will keep updated


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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11916296 - 01/28/10 04:46 AM (2 years, 16 days ago)

OK i have seen Trich first hand now it appeared in another jar i had it appeared very Fast second day after i noticed growth green appeared and was a lovely shade of green but any way the other cake dose not have this yet and its been several days since growth start

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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11916312 - 01/28/10 05:08 AM (2 years, 16 days ago)

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    #11917612 - 01/28/10 12:04 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

Noob you were wrong LOL it took 5 days to go green confirmed after swipe didnt doubt you just wanted to see what would happen at least now i have a very good first hand Idea of what the Green Death lookes like too bad that was all i had now i have to wait for new sample should be here in a few more days then ill start over


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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11917759 - 01/28/10 12:24 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

im surprised it lasted that long

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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #11917787 - 01/28/10 12:27 PM (2 years, 16 days ago)

it was eating away at the core i picked it up to look at it cause the growth just stalled in its tracks when i picked it up I saw the deadly bitch on the bottom then I Promptly took it outside and carefully broke it open the entire Core of the cake was Solid green then deposited it in a snow pile sad but hey powerful learning experience now i know what that shit looks like with my own eyes and will be on the look out from now  on :mad:


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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11924980 - 01/29/10 02:15 PM (2 years, 15 days ago)

Just Checkin in,
    Is Aradars nasty trich cake going to survive in the snow until springtime and come back in to his home, or will the cold weather kill all of the spores to prevent future contams? I threw two trich/cobweb mold cakes into the snow outside my patio a few weeks back, but thinking about it i figured even one spore could make it's way back into my home if they were in such close proximity; took em to the dumpster in a plastic bag.
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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: ZLeiterman]
    #11956769 - 02/03/10 05:46 PM (2 years, 9 days ago)

I threw that trich really far away if i some how track it back in then its a sign from god


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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Aradar]
    #11959160 - 02/03/10 11:52 PM (2 years, 9 days ago)

This is a really stuipid question and I have been looking for a long time but...

I can not for the life of me work out how to post a new topic/question....

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    #11959169 - 02/03/10 11:54 PM (2 years, 9 days ago)

click here

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    #11959190 - 02/03/10 11:59 PM (2 years, 9 days ago)

Ahhhh thanks legend :thumbup:

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click on "forum index"  then click on the "mushroom cultivation" forum.

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    #11986095 - 02/08/10 02:23 AM (2 years, 5 days ago)

Yo, I am new on the field, just got a few samples, now I'm wondering: The jars I can see being used in tutorials are quite circle-based all around, from bottom to top with the same radius, but the ones I can find around are shrink in the end. just like this one.
Should I colonize cakes in jars like this, so can I simply take them out after it ends or will I've got to break the glass into pieces?

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Re: Thank You All My Friends [Re: Outer Cloister]
    #11986496 - 02/08/10 07:15 AM (2 years, 5 days ago)

with that type of jar you will have to break it
you want tapered jars

that means they have no shoulder on them
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    #11987118 - 02/08/10 10:12 AM (2 years, 5 days ago)

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Yo, I am new on the field, just got a few samples, now I'm wondering: The jars I can see being used in tutorials are quite circle-based all around, from bottom to top with the same radius, but the ones I can find around are shrink in the end. just like this one.
Should I colonize cakes in jars like this, so can I simply take them out after it ends or will I've got to break the glass into pieces?

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lol I don't mean to be rude but on a basic physical stand point of course with those jars you would have to break to get the cake out. How do you get something that is say 5 inch in diameter out of a hole that is say 3 inches ?? Its like trying to fit a square piece into a triangle cutout when we were kids


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    #11988521 - 02/08/10 01:57 PM (2 years, 5 days ago)

I dont know, thats why I am asking. Since they are so goddamn common around here - cant even recall seeing different kinds - I thought there may be some kind of common procedure for this ones. Anyways, I will look for the right kinds of jars, thanks for the answers!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Outer Cloister]
    #12025460 - 02/14/10 12:41 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I'm probably not posting this in the right place and I don't see how to start a new topic so I apologize.
If one used organic white flour instead brown rice flour is this bad? The ingredients list didn't mention any preservatives, just flour itself.
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    #12025822 - 02/14/10 04:45 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Use brown rice flour for best results.
Other kinds of things might work, and somebody has probably used them-
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Doc_T]
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yea use BRF i tried WrF and it was epic fail

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    #12026284 - 02/14/10 08:15 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Now believe me I am the king of experimentation, but also I started just like 95% of the ppl here with pf tek.  The reason is cause this method consistently shows results.  You start messing with shit your gonna have failure.  You have epic failure in the beginning and you may just lose out on the best hobby in the world.  Take some advice and in the beginning follow a tek to the T.  I kinda hate teks and hate following them, but if you want results and want to learn how to grow mushrooms take it from ppl you have successfully grown and follow a tek pls.  And if you dont all that is gonna happen is your gonna post in cultivation and ask whats wrong.  "whats wrong?"  You didn't follow a tek and now your trying to recoup your losses.  These teks are there not cause its the only way but the right way


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: truskool]
    #12029941 - 02/14/10 06:42 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

well said ......my first go i cut a lot of corners cause i didnt have every thing but later when i had every thing i tried again and went by the letter and now im a happy little camper ;D:mushroom2:


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    #12030669 - 02/14/10 08:48 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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well said ......my first go i cut a lot of corners cause i didnt have every thing but later when i had every thing i tried again and went by the letter and now im a happy little camper ;D:mushroom2:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: truskool]
    #12030686 - 02/14/10 08:51 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Now believe me I am the king of experimentation, but also I started just like 95% of the ppl here with pf tek.  The reason is cause this method consistently shows results.  You start messing with shit your gonna have failure.  You have epic failure in the beginning and you may just lose out on the best hobby in the world.  Take some advice and in the beginning follow a tek to the T.  I kinda hate teks and hate following them, but if you want results and want to learn how to grow mushrooms take it from ppl you have successfully grown and follow a tek pls.  And if you dont all that is gonna happen is your gonna post in cultivation and ask whats wrong.  "whats wrong?"  You didn't follow a tek and now your trying to recoup your losses.  These teks are there not cause its the only way but the right way




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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #12036842 - 02/15/10 08:29 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

for real people need to follow the teks exactly as they are written
theres a reason they are written that way
people took the time to figure out how much of what is needed to get optimal results
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #12038906 - 02/16/10 08:38 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Well spoken Trus...I cut corners and it ended up prolonging my first grow for like 2 1/2 almost 3 months when I probably could have got it done in a month.  So my advice for the noobies is to follow the tek's also, and make sure you have all your supplies first before you start.  DON"T RUSH......you'll learn patience, at least I did after trying to cut corners and ending up with failed results....But once I got going it was hard to keep up!!!!:mjdance:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ChaostoOrder]
    #12057195 - 02/18/10 08:50 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Looks like a great guide to get started. I'm almost ready to start my first grow, anybody have any suggestions on the best tek for a first timer?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Zzach]
    #12057225 - 02/18/10 08:54 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Make sure you do the pf tek first learn that then go from there


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Zzach]
    #12057226 - 02/18/10 08:54 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

start with the PF tek
just to get a good understanding of how the whole process works
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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: noobieshroomie]
    #12057249 - 02/18/10 08:57 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Sounds good, thanks!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Zzach]
    #12057268 - 02/18/10 09:00 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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    #12064627 - 02/20/10 09:56 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

The picture shown was inoculated on 12/10/2009.  Still is not pinning.  I had in a 80F chamber and now in a clear Rubbermaid container at about 70F to try to pin.  Only one jar is fruiting and still can't figure this out.  Jar has lid on it with 4 holes that i used for inoculation and foil top.  I recently poked holes in the foil thinking maybe its the gas exchange.  any help would be great.



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Re: NEED HELP - Been months! [Re: untouchable4206]
    #12065090 - 02/20/10 11:23 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Having read until my eyes bleed, and still feeling overwhelmed, is there a link to a full pictorial write up from start to finish? I've looked at lots of different guides and teks, but being a very visual learner, I'm not getting the whole picture.
Before I start asking questions, I want them to be as clear and precise to my needs as possible.

I have downloaded a couple of pdf's I've found on here and other shroom forums, but they have all been wordy, without enough pictures to help me out.

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Re: NEED HELP - Been months! [Re: Quirrel]
    #12065307 - 02/20/10 12:03 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Hey Quirrel,

I'm a newbie just like you :smile: I've been reading everything I can like crazy for the past couple months, finally looking to start my grow as soon as I get my spores. Obviously, I by no means am experienced, but this video lays out everything very clearly. Also check out this guide, it is very well illustrated. I don't know if you've had the chance to look at the "Grow Mushrooms" section of Shroomery, but it has many guides and a wealth of information.

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Re: NEED HELP - Been months! [Re: Zzach]
    #12065388 - 02/20/10 12:21 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Cheers for that.

More to read and view. Might visit the opticians soon.

I have to have a really clear picture before I try my hand at anything at all. Just now I'm at 75% clarity on the steps and the theory behind it, but there are things that niggle at me, which I need clarifying.

e.g. (a bit further on in the process) Having just read another tek about making lc, I see that some people make them with no gas exchange, others make them with. One design had a tube with polyfil in the top. What I couldn't work out from it was there something below the polyfil to stop contaminants getting in, or is the polyfill plug/filter enough to keep it clean.

Thanks again for those links.

Off to make a cup of tea and do myself some more reading.

edit

Why had i not seen that simple tek guide before? Possibly the best one yet.

Q


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Re: NEED HELP - Been months! [Re: Quirrel]
    #12066125 - 02/20/10 02:39 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)



Hopefully this pic turns out better.  Can someone take a look and tell me if i should start to birth these or not??  My previous post a few replies up.  Original inoculation date was 12/10/2009.


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    #12066245 - 02/20/10 02:59 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Hopefully this pic turns out better.  Can someone take a look and tell me if i should start to birth these or not??  My previous post a few replies up.  Original inoculation date was 12/10/2009.


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    #12080547 - 02/22/10 08:54 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)



Hi guys.  Im a newb with lots of ambition.  This is my version of a mono tub horse poo/straw sub inoculated with WBS.  I know what Ive done wrong but im still excited about the growth I do have.  What can I do to save this batch?  I have two more of these and another FC for cakes.  I have about 25 jars being incubated that I am very doubtful of for various reasons I wont go into.  I have 2 cakes sitting in that FC for the first time but Im not sure they will fruit because I could smell that sour apple smell and theres a good chance I am contaminating my whole area with bacteria.  Im not sure if Im paranoid or in denial.  I dont want to talk about it.  I want to talk about this mono tub.  I didn't cover this substrate with foil, what else could I have done wrong to cause this early Primordia?  It is sitting at about 73 degrees and 70% humidity.  Also, an incredible amount of condensation collects.  Too much FAE?  Too little?  What to do next?


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Re: Early Primordia? [Re: Product Z]
    #12081416 - 02/23/10 12:00 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

It looks too wet too me but I can't enlarge the pic.  It doesn't look bad and I don't see primordia just nice aerial myc,  give it another week and put it into fruiting conditions if the center is complete.
  If you are giving them Fae stop and wait until it is 100% and what to do next is just give it more time.
  Isolate any that have a sour smell it is probably bacteria an wont spread but could be other things you dont want so keep them separate.

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Re: Early hyph knots [Re: CH HELL]
    #12081851 - 02/23/10 05:22 AM (1 year, 11 months ago)

can you enlarge this one?
The bright white spots are the flash reflecting off the tiny water droplets of condensation.  My substrate was at correct field capacity.  Do I not want too much condensation?  Thats more of a contam risk correct?  I used a different kind of filter for my mono tub instead of polyfill and I wonder if this has something to do with it.  Precisely how much FAE or GE do I want during colonization?





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    #12085558 - 02/23/10 07:01 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Zero FAE during colonization is good,  you shouldn't even open it to take pictures.
I still don't see primordia just ariel myc,  but the uncolonized spots could be a problem it is too soon to tell.  Just leave it be for a while don't even look at it for a few days.


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Re: Early hyph knots [Re: CH HELL]
    #12085682 - 02/23/10 07:21 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

Yea, no primordia.  I just re knowledged myself on the defenition.  I was told that a "fan" of mycelium growth is considered Primordia.  Nevertheless, thanks for the advice.  Its's only been 7 days so I think it will fully colonize fine.  How are the patches caused?  How do I avoid?  What kind of problem can it cause?  Also, can anyone address the condensation questions?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Nibin]
    #12103220 - 02/26/10 03:25 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

hi im rob from belfast northern ireland i would just like to say thankyou for the post i think it should be a sticky post for newcomers im just new to the shroomery and have always had an ebundance of good mushrooms here in n.ireland i couldent tell u there name but they are the white witches hat with a nipple version lol sometimes golden cap i know this by learning from a freind who showed me many years ago but i would like to learn to grow my own different varietys from different countrys and needed proper laymans guidence and i find the reading on this site exelent but this post especialy i recomend for beginners like myself so thankyou and goodluck happy hunting rob!!!!!!!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: dogeatdogworld]
    #12109460 - 02/27/10 04:28 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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    #12109474 - 02/27/10 04:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Welcome to a hobby as addicting as crack!

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    #12110996 - 02/27/10 10:31 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

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Welcome to a hobby as addicting as crack!

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: truskool]
    #12164835 - 03/08/10 01:11 PM (1 year, 11 months ago)

I have one question ... Is it cool to mix vermiculite with rice flour and not brown rice flour ( beacuse i didnt find BRF in store :S ) soo i have just rice flour ? Is it alright ? Tnx for answers byby


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it's worked for some, though your results will be poor. Brown rice owns white rice in the nutrient dept. maybe try another store? If you can't find brown rice at all, try supplementing with coffee grounds.


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    #12225608 - 03/18/10 03:07 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I'm about to grow for the first time but am inable to buy spores or obtain live specimens. is it possible to create my own spore syringe using dried shrooms? i've heard you can use the dust off them to inoculate.


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    #12225735 - 03/18/10 03:29 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Possible but not recommended. Chances are that you'll be fighting contaminants the entire time. Your best bet is to find a vendor that will ship to you or trade/buy from somebody here.


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I am a noob here and I just want to say that this thing is extrememly helpful! Thanks, Nibin!


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    #12290277 - 03/28/10 10:14 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

i'm growin for my first time and I used a pressure cooker. ....But I released the pressure wayyyy before it had cooled down. All the steam came flying out.

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    #12292252 - 03/29/10 10:19 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Hi guys,
This is the first time I have posted something on shroomery.org so i am hoping to find out what i need know here, somebody see if they can help me out.  I have successfully grown psilocybe cubensis before and didn't have any problems with it.  After trying again I failed so naturally I continued to try.  I ended up picking up Hawaiian cubensis and got them successfully into the terrarium.  They have been there for two weeks now and for some reason I still have no pin-heads.  Humidity is high, temperature is between 70-75, they get plenty of light per day as they are in a window and still i get nothing.  Is there some small detail that i am over-looking here as to why they are not initiation mushrooms? Is Hawaiian naturally a hard strain to grow or something?  Is it possible they are getting to much light? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
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More fresh air will do the trick! Fan your terrarium for 30 seconds five times per day. :smile:

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #12292318 - 03/29/10 10:33 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I am confused and I was hoping one of you could clear something up for me.

When the tek at the front of this thread says 2 parts vermiculite, 1 part BRF and 1 part water, does this mean these are actually 50% verm, 25% BRF and 25% water in whatever size container?

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Re: Need advice on growing mushrooms [Re: babaganoush2307]
    #12292323 - 03/29/10 10:33 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

Should have mentioned that I fan them on a regular to so I don't think that is the problem...I just feel like I am doing everything right and not getting any results.  If you got any other tips for me I will take them, I am trying to get these done before a up-coming festival.  And thank you by the way for the fun fact, had no idea that they didn't grow naturally in Hawaii!
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Re: Need advice on growing mushrooms [Re: babaganoush2307]
    #12292374 - 03/29/10 10:43 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Should have mentioned that I fan them on a regular to so I don't think that is the problem...I just feel like I am doing everything right and not getting any results.  If you got any other tips for me I will take them, I am trying to get these done before a up-coming festival.  And thank you by the way for the fun fact, had no idea that they didn't grow naturally in Hawaii!
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are you misting them, then fanning? also did you dunk and roll after you birthed them? if not that very well could be you rproblem the cakes are dried out.


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Re: Need advice on growing mushrooms [Re: biologys]
    #12292399 - 03/29/10 10:49 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

I actually have perlite soak with water at the bottom of the tank, when they still didn't grow i thought maybe it was because the humidity was to low so I began misting them after every air out.  As for the other thing, no i did not do the dunk and roll after birthing them, didn't think i had to since the first time around i didn't and they were fine.  Is it to late to still do that or am i basically screwed?
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Re: Need advice on growing mushrooms [Re: babaganoush2307]
    #12292428 - 03/29/10 10:53 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

go ahead and dunk them for 12-24 hours, put them back in the fruiting chamber, then mist, then fan 3-5 times a day and you will get pins soon :P


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    #12292448 - 03/29/10 10:59 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

okay awesome, just so I am clear on this and don't mess this up after getting this far- I have read about the dunk and roll, 12-24 hours in water then roll in vermiculite correct? Does the water have to be sanitized/distilled or can it just be plain water from my tap?


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Re: Need advice on growing mushrooms [Re: babaganoush2307]
    #12292568 - 03/29/10 11:21 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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I am confused and I was hoping one of you could clear something up for me.

When the tek at the front of this thread says 2 parts vermiculite, 1 part BRF and 1 part water, does this mean these are actually 50% verm, 25% BRF and 25% water in whatever size container?

I know this sounds stupid, but the help would be appreciated.



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Re: Need advice on growing mushrooms [Re: 13shrooms]
    #12292633 - 03/29/10 11:34 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

The whole part thing is just generalized measurements.  What that is saying is 2 cups vermiculite 1 cup BRF and 1 cup water.  Or if your going for greater amounts of substrate it would be (for example) 4 cups vermiculite 2 cups BRF and 2 cups water, just keep them in equal parts.
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    #12293379 - 03/29/10 01:42 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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okay awesome, just so I am clear on this and don't mess this up after getting this far- I have read about the dunk and roll, 12-24 hours in water then roll in vermiculite correct? Does the water have to be sanitized/distilled or can it just be plain water from my tap?




you do it in just normal tap water, and since your cakes have been in fruiting conditions if you roll them in vermiculite now its a good chance you'll get contaminations..so i would just do the dunk this time..but from now on when you birth your cakes dunk for 24 hours, then roll in verm..


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    #12353337 - 04/08/10 01:28 AM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Glad to see the wisdom of the board has once again beaten me to the punch!! (I'll never make 50 posts when all my questions are already asked and answered!)





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    #12355768 - 04/08/10 01:15 PM (1 year, 10 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ChaostoOrder]
    #12378077 - 04/12/10 11:48 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Hello ,

I am new to this so I hope I am writing in the right place !

My name is Trixstar and I live in Durban South Africa. I had a cracker of a weekend because it was an old friends Bulls part and we did some mushrooms for shits and giggles and I still have a bag and a half left.

I was wondering can you grow MM from dry MM ? If so what is the best way to start. Any help links or anything would be great.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: trixstar]
    #12379209 - 04/12/10 02:56 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You'll be fighting contaminants the whole way. Your best bet is to either pick some fresh specimens, trade with somebody here, purchase from a vendor, or try to germinate those spores from your bag on agar plates and then isolate clean mycelium.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: trixstar]
    #12380306 - 04/12/10 05:53 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Hello ,

I am new to this so I hope I am writing in the right place !

My name is Trixstar and I live in Durban South Africa. I had a cracker of a weekend because it was an old friends Bulls part and we did some mushrooms for shits and giggles and I still have a bag and a half left.

I was wondering can you grow MM from dry MM ? If so what is the best way to start. Any help links or anything would be great.




It can be done you need to rehydrate the tissue and place it on agar, let it grow and sector away from any contaminations and reapeat.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Shea25]
    #12400111 - 04/15/10 07:54 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

I need some help. Last month recieved 4 spore prints in the mail 2GT 1  Mazatapec and 1Texas.  I looked at RR,s mushroom vids and have read a few guides on growing but I am still lost. I need a starting point with my prints currently I have jars and some BRF available but no perlite or vermiculite. I was thinking of making a syringe and inoculating some jars once I got all my supplies but I am worried about getting a contamination by fucking up the process. So I am lost on what to do right now. Me and 4 friends are planning to trip this summer so I wanted to load up on mushrooms and I need to know what I should do to produce enough for all of us but I need a noob friendly method since I have no experience in this subject except for reading the guides. Sorry if this sounds really dumb im just confused. 

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: JBurnt]
    #12400355 - 04/15/10 08:36 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

first make a cheap still air box (glovebox) for a place to do your sterile work in like this. 



then (clean your self very well) take your print and do this.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Sporeprinting-Syringes

then get your PF-tek supplies together and ready then "monkey see monkey do" this.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/BRF-Pf-Tek

leave them be till they are 100% fully colonized then wait 5-7 more days then do this.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Terrarium-Tek

thats what most begginers do. :super:


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for lots of mushies (bulk grow) you can do this.

first make a cheap still air box (glovebox) for a place to do your sterile work in like this.



then (clean your self very well) take your print and do this.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Sporeprinting-Syringes

then you need to get rye berries or wild bird seed or winter wheat or wheat berries and prep them like this.

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Grain-Preparation

inoculate just like the PFtek in a glove box using 1-2cc each quart of grain.

then build you a monotub like this.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8231041#8231041

then pasteurize your bulk sub of choice (manure, coco coir, straw) like this.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11540675#11540675 <-- 4 coir

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Straw-Pasteurization ; <-- 4 straw

http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Horse-Manure-Substrate ; <-- 4 manure

once your bulk sub is pasteurized and cooled mix your grain spawn very well with your substrate and cover and let colonize like this.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11533613#11533613

let it get 100% fully colonized and put it into fruiting conditions and you should have mushies to harvest a few days after you put it into fruiting conditions. :mushroom2:

anything else that I may have missed should be covered in one of the links I posted above.  patience will be rewarded. :goodluck:

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: 13shrooms]
    #12401625 - 04/16/10 12:28 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

You have to read a lot!
Use the info that 13Shrooms posted.
Just use the search box on the top-right. It's your best tool here. I'm sure all of your questions have been answered at least twice.

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: mushroomhunter10]
    #12405861 - 04/16/10 06:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: JBurnt]
    #12408558 - 04/17/10 10:46 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

This n00bie thanks you.


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    #12410192 - 04/17/10 04:00 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

THIS GETS IT DONE 100% DONT FORGET UR LATEX GLOVES WITH ALCHOHAL.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: santaclausmush]
    #12411103 - 04/17/10 07:38 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Do you guys think making spawn bags would be better if I want a bigger yield. Also is their a way to inoculate a substrate without the use of a syringe because I don't have one yet and its whats holding me back from going through with this. I have the 4 prints I mentioned before but no syringe at this time.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: JBurnt]
    #12411163 - 04/17/10 07:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

do u have agar?

if u have the prints u could use it to make LIQUID CULTURE and when thats done in a week or two ud have a needle buy then... also u could go to any place that sells diabetic stuff over the counter they sell  needles like a cvs or shit like that they all have diabetic stuff.    ask a  diabetic and he  ll tell u where to go in ur area!  then u got needles and good to go.

and make the little chamber thing like i got put everything inside it spray it all with alchohal and a small spray bottle of alchohal and needles and jars and lighter wash down with alchohal put in container then wait ten mins then go to work/


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    #12411591 - 04/17/10 09:10 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Do you guys think making spawn bags would be better if I want a bigger yield. Also is their a way to inoculate a substrate without the use of a syringe because I don't have one yet and its whats holding me back from going through with this. I have the 4 prints I mentioned before but no syringe at this time.




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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: CH HELL]
    #12411630 - 04/17/10 09:17 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Thanks for the support guys I think I know what to do now.  :grin:


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    #12413269 - 04/18/10 05:15 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

u can get syringes n e where! even other parts of the world have diabetics everywhere.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: santaclausmush]
    #12416807 - 04/18/10 06:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

does anyone know where i can purchase rye?
I've tried several supermarkets and none carried it.
also could i use a Verm BRF substrate as casing mix?


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: funguss]
    #12416830 - 04/18/10 06:35 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

no, you can't use that as a casing mix(because it has nutrients), verm alone will do fine, and you usually get rye at a health food store.
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    #12417175 - 04/18/10 07:47 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

where do u live i can help u find organic rye berries. and also organic winter wheat berries i use also.  THANKS alientechkilla


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: santaclausmush]
    #12442156 - 04/23/10 03:55 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Any health or natural food store should have organic rye berries.  I shop in a fairly small town, but it's kind of a "hippie town", so there are at least 4 health and natural food stores.  Supermarkets and regular grocery stores just plain won't have them.

A lot of the health and natural food stores are co-ops, so if you join, you'll get a discount, and you can usually order bulk through them with no shipping charges.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: tajmahal420]
    #12450497 - 04/24/10 04:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

:sunny:  Hi guys! I havent been on the forums here in a few years. I have recently decided to get back into the fun sport! I used to be a mad scientist at this hobby! Anyways, I have had lots of experience with the PF Tek method, but I dont recall anything about rye? What are you using rye for?  :rolleyes:


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    #12450526 - 04/24/10 04:35 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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:sunny:  Hi guys! I havent been on the forums here in a few years. I have recently decided to get back into the fun sport! I used to be a mad scientist at this hobby! Anyways, I have had lots of experience with the PF Tek method, but I dont recall anything about rye? What are you using rye for?  :rolleyes:




Rye is used as spawn. It colonizes and you spawn it to manure or coir ect..


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Shea25]
    #12492008 - 05/02/10 01:05 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Great Post, very helpful indeed.
  Im working on building my lab now, and getting ready to do this.
Ive been reading through this post, and havent seen an answer to something ive been wondering about yet.

I plan on using the standard PF Tek method, and a Shot Gun Terrarium for the fruiting chamber.
My question is, what does one do with the perlite that is used in the SGT after all the flushes?
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    #12492019 - 05/02/10 01:10 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

i dont see why it wouldnt be reusable.. but good question Id like to hear some answers from more experienced people


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    #12492102 - 05/02/10 01:42 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

id reuse it but every couple rounds (like 4 batches) i rinse it out in water.
i use a 5% bleach solution first and then rinse like 10 times afterward. i doubt its necessary but overkill isnt a bad thing.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #12492588 - 05/02/10 07:37 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Perlite is definitely reusable,  rinsing is good but if you get trich or other contams you can bake it for an hour or so at 350-400f.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: CH HELL]
    #12492619 - 05/02/10 07:49 AM (1 year, 9 months ago)

That or you can use it in you're garden:awesomenod:


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ninja cat 09]
    #12494110 - 05/02/10 01:58 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

Thanks for all the quick responses.
  Its great to know that I dont have to buy new stuff every time.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: SickWizard]
    #12527874 - 05/08/10 03:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

im post so all the locked threads will be together on the main page. its driving my OCD nuts. im sry this isnt relevant at all.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: Giggle_Grower]
    #12528114 - 05/08/10 04:28 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: funguss]
    #12528697 - 05/08/10 07:00 PM (1 year, 9 months ago)

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funguss said:
does anyone know where i can purchase rye?
I've tried several supermarkets and none carried it.
also could i use a Verm BRF substrate as casing mix?


You can also start off with Wild bird seed(WBS) until you get ahold of some rye,  real cheap and easy to use....!!!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: ChaostoOrder]
    #12571359 - 05/16/10 02:09 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I have this same problem that another guy just asked about: I have placed my cakes in fruiting conditions for almost 3 weeks now and nothing happened so far except for the fluffy mycelium grow. I realize now that I have made some mistakes:

1. I didn't donk and rolled
2. I did not used any light, just natural indirect light
3. I have only had a max of 21 degrees Celsius or 69.8 Fahrenheit
4. I don't have a hydrometer so I don't know the exact humidity but my cakes didn't get dry yet so I guess humidity is ok
5. I have only aered the box twice a day sometimes 3 times a day

I have a transparent container (5 or 6 gallons) with holes all the way around the bottom but slightly above the 2 inch or 5 cm layer of perlite. I also have a few holes in the lid.

I have 4 cakes: one cake from a 6 oz jar, and 3 very small maybe from 0.8 oz jars

What can I do to make it work. Please help.


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: madman2001]
    #12572420 - 05/16/10 09:59 AM (1 year, 8 months ago)

I'm a total newbie to growing, but about to get started. I've noticed in the PF tek (and many other places) that it's suggested to use 1/2 pint jars, but the pictures often show jars that appear to be even smaller, maybe 8oz jars, and most of the cakes I see look like they came from the smaller jars. Can anyone tell me what's up with this? Does it matter which size jars I use? Do I want the cake to fill up most of the jar (like it looks like in the pictures with the small jars) or do I want some air space, so that a cake in a bigger (1/2 pint) jar actually comes out roughly the size of the 8oz jar?

thanks for your help!


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Re: The Shroomery and mushroom cultivation, a newcomers guide. [Re: fitchfleisch]
    #12573132 - 05/16/10 12:26 PM (1 year, 8 months ago)

a half pint jar is an 8oz jar


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