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SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM?
    #9213599 - 11/09/08 06:49 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I wonder how long it will take to get strong keeper as to put in mother stock[lc]. Are all mushies pretty average [height, width, potency]or  is there super mega mushroom subspecies hidden in the genes somewhere?  Should i just stop with above average results or keep searching endlessly looking for that less than 1%  SUPER MEGA SHROOM?? I wonder if endless sectoring and cloning will eventually end up with a hidden gene for super mega mushroom.??:eek:


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Mr.Winkie]
    #9213620 - 11/09/08 06:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

There are  other species that are stronger than any P. cubensis

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Mr.Winkie]
    #9213631 - 11/09/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

You mean like superpowers? ~Pixie~


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Psuper]
    #9213662 - 11/09/08 06:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

always keep searching.. but you wont find anything that superior like something never before seen.

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: tripchip]
    #9213675 - 11/09/08 06:57 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

thats what i want. baby arm shrooms. i'm goin for it, wheres my growth hormone:crazy2:


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Mr.Winkie]
    #9213712 - 11/09/08 07:03 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

hey Check this out Mr. Winkie
I think you might get a kick out of this
I want to see a Home Grown Shroom this big !
I want to see a Psilocybe Mushroom This size !



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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Mr.Winkie]
    #9213761 - 11/09/08 07:10 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I wonder how long it will take to get strong keeper as to put in mother stock[lc]. Are all mushies pretty average [height, width, potency]or  is there super mega mushroom subspecies hidden in the genes somewhere?  Should i just stop with above average results or keep searching endlessly looking for that less than 1%  SUPER MEGA SHROOM?? I wonder if endless sectoring and cloning will eventually end up with a hidden gene for super mega mushroom.??:eek:









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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: P.Menace]
    #9213782 - 11/09/08 07:14 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Holy crap cakes, is that guy active?


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #9213806 - 11/09/08 07:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

that huge shroom is 237 wet, 21.8 dry. Its a South American mushroom.

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: fridyrls]
    #9213823 - 11/09/08 07:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I see some other fatties in the tub there too. Thats freakin impressive.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: BrainChemistry]
    #9213827 - 11/09/08 07:20 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

HOLY CRAP, see thats what i'm talking about. that kicks fucking ass, good one
how long did it take you to breed that bad girl. how many spore prints > sectoring > isolating did that take.  wow. did you just keep breeding tell you found this? was this your main goal or did you just happen to come across the genes. wow. what lights are they under what thickness is the substrate to casing?  average thickness? thats nuts.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Mr.Winkie]
    #9213840 - 11/09/08 07:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

oh is it not cubensis.?


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Mr.Winkie]
    #9213859 - 11/09/08 07:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Menace's is cubensis

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: J3illy]
    #9213879 - 11/09/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

what strain??? south american??? is that how its labeled on a spore syringe. does it have a name i could find it buy say at......sproe works??





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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: J3illy]
    #9213881 - 11/09/08 07:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Its a cube... Its a Ps. Cubensis South American and its active...


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: P.Menace]
    #9213888 - 11/09/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

clone da mega monsters!



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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: fridyrls]
    #9213892 - 11/09/08 07:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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that huge shroom is 237 wet, 21.8 dry. Its a South American mushroom.




What he said...


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: iluan]
    #9213904 - 11/09/08 07:34 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I've always loved that pic P! Classic. ~Pixie~


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Psuper]
    #9213974 - 11/09/08 07:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thats huge..biggest active Ive seen


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: P.Menace]
    #9214000 - 11/09/08 07:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

thats a nice Shroom. some of the best i seen ! nice growing man.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Joker003]
    #9214203 - 11/09/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I have an average fruit size of 119 grams from my SA isolate, some at 60g wet some at 200+
I also have a Hawaiian isolate that pounds out the bigguns regularly but I havent yet done an average on them, but I bet its up around 90-100g too

I like to grow big fat meanies that make people go "WTF is THAT!!!?!?!?!"


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: P.Menace]
    #9214276 - 11/09/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Mr.Winkie said:
I wonder how long it will take to get strong keeper as to put in mother stock[lc]. Are all mushies pretty average [height, width, potency]or  is there super mega mushroom subspecies hidden in the genes somewhere?  Should i just stop with above average results or keep searching endlessly looking for that less than 1%  SUPER MEGA SHROOM?? I wonder if endless sectoring and cloning will eventually end up with a hidden gene for super mega mushroom.??:eek:









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yea, so when are you going to stop taking credit for that mushroom that you didnt even grow?


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: johnnyboy]
    #9214414 - 11/09/08 08:46 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Hawaiian strain huh. I'm leaving for Kauai on wed. going to camp and to hang with my  buddy Greg... He grows bushes outside and cant wait cause he said they look DANK. cool man, pacalolo[crazy-weed]:crazy2:

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Mr.Winkie]
    #9214426 - 11/09/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

um, well it would be all good if it were really in fact a hawaiian cubensis.. but theres no such animal in hawaii


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Joker003]
    #9216057 - 11/10/08 02:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)



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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Joker003]
    #9216185 - 11/10/08 03:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

thats funny:) but seriously, thats the size  of cubensis I want to grow. I wonder if under the soil it used to be a nuclear powerplant or something..hmm.  if only i could splice atoms. then BOOM!!! giant mushies.





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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Joker003]
    #9216563 - 11/10/08 07:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

South American are extremely large growing cubensis....Pink Buffalo, Kou Thai Samui and Orissa are a handful of cubensis name sakes that produce large fruits pretty consistently.

The largest fruit I've ever gotten was something like 17-18g's dry... kou thai samui to rye/straw/manure compressed into a zip lock and fruited in a TiT.... the more moisture in the air, the bigger they'll grow in mass :smile:


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: HybridprX]
    #9216566 - 11/10/08 07:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)



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    #9217147 - 11/10/08 09:48 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: iluan]
    #9217279 - 11/10/08 10:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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clone da mega monsters!





That looks like it has to be B+ strain. They get real tall.

Menaces SA is prolly a freak came from another dimension. Not typical at all. It's like hitting the woods and spotting a 30 point buck, with drop tines all about.

Most cubensis will look the same as other strains, there are some that tend to get pretty large though.  Evidently, south american gets pretty big. I know for sure B+ and Golden Teacher, Ecuador can get real massive. Penis envy gets dense and thick.    The smaller strains, i believe are the SouthEast Asian strains like Thai and Pink Buffalo.

Your best bet on obtaining a monstrosity shroom, is to get some horsepoop, coir, straw, verm, ready for bulk.    Spawn some rye to it, make it real deep in a large monotub about 8 inches maybe.    Get some agar.  Isolate the biggest shroom, and you can make a flush out of nothing but big shrooms.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9217356 - 11/10/08 10:39 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Your best bet on obtaining a monstrosity shroom, is to get some horsepoop, coir, straw, verm, ready for bulk.    Spawn some rye to it, make it real deep in a large monotub about 8 inches maybe.    Get some agar.  Isolate the biggest shroom, and you can make a flush out of nothing but big shrooms.




What he said, just follow those steps and keep cloning the biggest mushroom you get and eventually you'll have nothing but giants.

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Ambience]
    #9217521 - 11/10/08 11:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

In terms of potency wouldn't you want alot of smaller mushies rather then a few big ones?

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Mr.Winkie]
    #9217691 - 11/10/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Cloning is good for the short term, but in the long term you're not going to get better and better quality mushrooms with cloning... or even multispore noc's (if you're always using spores from the same parent or clone... If you want to try and breed a superior mush, you need spore from multiple sources, especially wild if you can so you're sure they're not related... and you need to get the different sourced spores to mate... Variety is the spice of life as the say, and although the genetic inbreeding we see so much of in the mushroom community isn't as noticeable as in animals, it does eventually show it's ugly face.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: flameclown]
    #9217904 - 11/10/08 12:35 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thnx's i try and find awesome mushrooms.
i want to know the limit of growth so that i can surpass that
and og beyond limits to the Fullest extent there is in growing. i want to see and grow the biggest cubenziz in the World.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: veda_sticks]
    #9218834 - 11/10/08 03:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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now eat that whole mushroom!!!!




Someone DID!
blender+water= Trashed House!


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: P.Menace]
    #9218868 - 11/10/08 03:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

How bad did he trash it? Did he actually break/ruin shit?

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: J3illy]
    #9218917 - 11/10/08 04:05 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

so hybrid vigor exist in fungi to?. cool.  question, or to any and all out there.
crossing azurescens w/ cubensis via rattle snake venom???or say south American w/ pink buffalo and all the other mega shrooms. :crazy2:




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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Mr.Winkie]
    #9218951 - 11/10/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I, Willard p. Pumpernickel, do take it upon myself, to do months, upon years of research or whatever the length may be in the name of SUPER MEGA SHROOM

I will not procrastinate.



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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: P.Menace]
    #9218952 - 11/10/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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now eat that whole mushroom!!!!




Someone DID!
blender+water= Trashed House!




Id set that badboy on its cap, chop into 4 even sections and propose a toast with it.

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: MisterMuscaria]
    #9219122 - 11/10/08 04:40 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Haha:D

Yep, he broke shit, stumbled around, kicked shit, screamed, yelled, freaked out, then spent the remainder of the night in the bathroom... probably crying and wishing to come down
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    #9219158 - 11/10/08 04:45 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

you can guide mushroom genetics in the direction of the traits you like by takeing prints over many generations from the fruits that have the traits you want to become more common.


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    #9219181 - 11/10/08 04:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Haha:D

Yep, he broke shit, stumbled around, kicked shit, screamed, yelled, freaked out, then spent the remainder of the night in the bathroom... probably crying and wishing to come down
worst part was... It was his buddies house, not his own.



One person ate the WHOLE thing by himself?


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    #9219197 - 11/10/08 04:50 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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you can guide mushroom genetics in the direction of the traits you like by takeing prints over many generations from the fruits that have the traits you want to become more common.




Is it really that simple? I thought you had to clone and isolate and whatnot.

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    #9219205 - 11/10/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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you can guide mushroom genetics in the direction of the traits you like by takeing prints over many generations from the fruits that have the traits you want to become more common.




You sure can... I've done it.
the process takes a minimum of 6 months, but can always take longer


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    #9219210 - 11/10/08 04:51 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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check out this mushroom  !
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    #9219216 - 11/10/08 04:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Awesome! Im gonna make some massive redboys....

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    #9219231 - 11/10/08 04:54 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

In order to grow larger mushrooms your going to have to find a set of genetics that allows for large fruits.

Big booms are a handfull of work to create the isolate with the traits you want and also having the nutrient base and water to allow said genetics to produce to the fullest of their potential.


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    #9219257 - 11/10/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I always save the biggest print.

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    #9219266 - 11/10/08 05:00 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Yeah 1 guy ate the whole thing... well actually more like drank in 60 seconds.



Thats crazy:rockon:.Ive never heard of anybody ever overdosing on shrooms but Ive also not heard of many ppl doing that much at once.3 grams is my max and anymore than that and things tend to go south. :thumbdown:


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you can guide mushroom genetics in the direction of the traits you like by takeing prints over many generations from the fruits that have the traits you want to become more common.




Is it really that simple? I thought you had to clone and isolate and whatnot.


when you isolate or clone you are removing variables and have less substrains to choose from. . it will take many generations but it can be done. if you want big caps- keep taking prints from fruits with big caps every generation. when you reach large sized caps over all- then clone a super big one or clone it to agar - isolate each substrain in the fruit and then grow each out and fruit them to see which isolate is responsable for your monster fruit.


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    #9219303 - 11/10/08 05:06 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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seven said:
you can guide mushroom genetics in the direction of the traits you like by takeing prints over many generations from the fruits that have the traits you want to become more common.




Is it really that simple? I thought you had to clone and isolate and whatnot.


when you isolate or clone you are removing variables and have less substrains to choose from. . it will take many generations but it can be done. if you want big caps- keep taking prints from fruits with big caps every generation. when you reach large sized caps over all- then clone a super big one or clone it to agar - isolate each substrain in the fruit and then grow each out and fruit them to see which isolate is responsable for your monster fruit.



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    #9219314 - 11/10/08 05:08 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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In order to grow larger mushrooms your going to have to find a set of genetics that allows for large fruits.

Big booms are a handfull of work to create the isolate with the traits you want and also having the nutrient base and water to allow said genetics to produce to the fullest of their potential.


yes! you can have perfect genetics for huge badboys: but if you have a weak substrate and poor growing conditions  they may end up small. just like humans. no food - small


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    #9219333 - 11/10/08 05:12 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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    #9219355 - 11/10/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

That makes 2 of us....
I like doing agar work, and experimenting in crossing/hybridizing
I have more than 1 good monoculture that can produce some serious monsters
I have found an awesome nutrient base/substrate recipe and couldnt be happier with my consistent results.

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    #9219356 - 11/10/08 05:17 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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you can guide mushroom genetics in the direction of the traits you like by takeing prints over many generations from the fruits that have the traits you want to become more common.




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Is it really that simple?




No..it is NOT that simple.  As you correctly surmised, a multispore syringe is like a box of chocolates.  You never know what you are going to get.  Period.


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You are correct, sir!

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    #9219387 - 11/10/08 05:23 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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That makes 2 of us....
I like doing agar work, and experimenting in crossing/hybridizing
I have more than 1 good monoculture that can produce some serious monsters
I have found an awesome nutrient base/substrate recipe and couldnt be happier with my consistent results.

Alto I am constantly working on something new too.


-i would love to know how to make your awsome substrate! is it hpoo, straw,coffee,coir?  i just found agar agar in an asian supermarket:now i need petri dishes! ive read so much that i can already give good advise with agar work lol


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: seven]
    #9219398 - 11/10/08 05:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Send me a PM seven... and I got a few good links and whatnot for you
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MisterMuscaria said:
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you can guide mushroom genetics in the direction of the traits you like by takeing prints over many generations from the fruits that have the traits you want to become more common.




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Is it really that simple?




No..it is NOT that simple.  As you correctly surmised, a multispore syringe is like a box of chocolates.  You never know what you are going to get.  Period.


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I thought you had to clone and isolate and whatnot.




You are correct, sir!

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you are not correct sir. you can improve the genetics in the direction of any trait you wish by takeing prints from the fruits with said trats over many generations - reducing the variation of multispore. . so yes it can be done  easy . it just takes time. once you have a batch of big ones: then you clone or isolate the substrains in the largest fruit.


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    #9221251 - 11/10/08 10:22 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, how the potency of the SA?
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    #9221259 - 11/10/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Gotta ask someone that ate it/them...

I dont eat actives anymore so....
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    #9221474 - 11/10/08 11:07 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

hey p. menace could you post your lc recipe again. i lost it.  How do I pm you. I'd like to know the substrate recipe as well.




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    #9221601 - 11/10/08 11:28 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

its in this post... somewhere i think


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    #9221622 - 11/10/08 11:30 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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    #9221636 - 11/10/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I pm'd that to him... if he can figure that out...lol

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    #9221646 - 11/10/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

yeah it was in a long ago distant post. where do i find his journal.i'm really new to this com pu tar?  i'm still writing my quote at the bottom for petes sake. I'm barely hanging on


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    #9221805 - 11/11/08 12:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

see the icons under my rating shrooms?
one means male user, one means i have a gallery and the other means i have a journal...

I see you have a journal.

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    #9221940 - 11/11/08 12:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Can you imagine making a spore print of that bad baby!  What's it like to have a spore print the size a  pancake?  What's that make....... about 100 syringes maybe?  That's a vendors gold mine!

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    #9222167 - 11/11/08 01:09 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Oh. that red blinky thing. copy


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    #9222223 - 11/11/08 01:20 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Can you imagine making a spore print of that bad baby!  What's it like to have a spore print the size a  pancake?  What's that make....... about 100 syringes maybe?  That's a vendors gold mine!

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    #9222230 - 11/11/08 01:23 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Lets see - I want to see the Print !


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    #9222240 - 11/11/08 01:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

alright... gimme a minute
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    #9222266 - 11/11/08 01:36 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Holy shit! Can't wait for a pic of that!  It gets better and better!

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    #9222272 - 11/11/08 01:37 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)


lol I posted it in the wrong thread...lol

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    #9222322 - 11/11/08 01:51 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

nice print
couldnt have been
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    #9222332 - 11/11/08 01:54 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

I have another print somewhere probably like 1/2" less than that across...
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    #9222340 - 11/11/08 01:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Damn!  That shit is 4 inches across!

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    #9222354 - 11/11/08 02:00 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

damn, judging by reactions there...

none of you have seen many if any prints near that large...
I have a wild azure print here that 3.5 inches across... and a few others that are large.
Wollongong thats another one I have thats like 3.5-4" across

personally shroomy I like to see the ones like you sent me... so thick it can be seen thru the foil after the mail gets its grubby little hands on it


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: P.Menace]
    #9222374 - 11/11/08 02:06 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

That was one of the best ones I had Printed!  Hell yea!  I love thick heavy spore deposits also.  If I'm correct, here is the picture of the print I sent you....


Makes me drool every time.:rofl:

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    #9222377 - 11/11/08 02:07 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Damn that looks like permanent marker, hahah..

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    #9222389 - 11/11/08 02:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Thats the ONE!

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    #9222536 - 11/11/08 03:21 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

:whoah:
Spores, too much spores... eek


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: dead]
    #9222578 - 11/11/08 04:26 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, well have a look at this mofo.  I didn't even bother to print it, had so many others with better qualities.  Somewhere I've got a pic of it against a ruler.  BTW, its a Cambodian.



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    #9222583 - 11/11/08 04:34 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Camodian huh. hows the high.


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    #9222688 - 11/11/08 06:25 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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That was one of the best ones I had Printed!  Hell yea!  I love thick heavy spore deposits also.  If I'm correct, here is the picture of the print I sent you....


Makes me drool every time.:rofl:

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: J3illy]
    #9222696 - 11/11/08 06:33 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

super mega shrooms make super mega shroom spore prints! :smile:


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: seven]
    #9222701 - 11/11/08 06:38 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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you can guide mushroom genetics in the direction of the traits you like by takeing prints over many generations from the fruits that have the traits you want to become more common.




Is it really that simple? I thought you had to clone and isolate and whatnot.


when you isolate or clone you are removing variables and have less substrains to choose from. . it will take many generations but it can be done. if you want big caps- keep taking prints from fruits with big caps every generation. when you reach large sized caps over all- then clone a super big one or clone it to agar - isolate each substrain in the fruit and then grow each out and fruit them to see which isolate is responsable for your monster fruit.




IMHO you can do this (and i'm sure you have as you say), but what you should notice as generations go on is a degradation in vitality known as senecense. All life needs new genetic material to carry on with superiority, and they are not going to achieve this through their own personal spore-bank, they need to cross with spores from another source.

That's one reason why they produce so many billions of spores. The chances of them mating with themselves is not ideal and they need to carry away to other sources of genetic material.

You can read a little about what I'm refering to in Paul Stamet's book "Growing Gourmet and Medicinal Mushrooms" P.91 under clong wild vs cultivated mushrooms. Here's a link to on online version of the book through Google.

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Emperor Reishi]
    #9222713 - 11/11/08 06:47 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

no no... RE's got a point.
and a valid one at that

but in regards, he was speaking in terms of spores and not tissue "clones"
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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: P.Menace]
    #9222737 - 11/11/08 07:07 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

this process of takeing prints from your largest fruits like you said will work for narrowing genetics in your favor. this inbreeding so to speak can cause loss of vigor. but i doubt this will happen before you reach your goal. mixing spores from different sources of the same strain would be a great starting point for a project like this. possibly you will get larger genetics from one of the other sources. a side by side grow with two different sources then when you reach large fruifruits in each grow operation, mix the spores from the largest fruits to add variation of the large kind to the mix. :smile: this can be used if you are concerned about weaking of the genetics.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: seven]
    #9222748 - 11/11/08 07:13 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Now that sounds like plan :smile: Then if with each so many subsequent crops you could add some new genetics, I think you would start to get some bad ass shrooms.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Emperor Reishi]
    #9222817 - 11/11/08 07:57 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

fuck yeah man! :smile: this was an awsome conversation!  i like-yes.


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    #9223786 - 11/11/08 12:01 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I have another print somewhere probably like 1/2" less than that across...
not a strain known to create large fruits....
the one in my Signature....




Nah i grew some 2nd flush on rye menaces that got up to 11 inches tall.  The caps were the size of my palm.  Really the first flush was kinda like a regular cube but the 2nd stood out. The caps were wavy looking.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9224707 - 11/11/08 02:21 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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I have another print somewhere probably like 1/2" less than that across...
not a strain known to create large fruits....
the one in my Signature....




Nah i grew some 2nd flush on rye menaces that got up to 11 inches tall.  The caps were the size of my palm.  Really the first flush was kinda like a regular cube but the 2nd stood out. The caps were wavy looking.




Thats the same thing I have been telling people for a long time now.
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    #9224773 - 11/11/08 02:39 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah the 50/50 got some green on it about right before the viels tore so i had pitched it after harvest as not to damage any other tubs.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Stimpy913]
    #9224789 - 11/11/08 02:44 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

dude, I have an old casing in here... actually its the one that I used to grow the mushrooms used to print for the giveaway
(i know i kno... call it laziness)
Its litterally like 6 months old, no mushrooms have grown off of it, i dont fan/mist it and pretty much just leave it alone
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    #9226709 - 11/11/08 07:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Those giant mushrooms freak me out...


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    #9226736 - 11/11/08 07:53 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

so  I know about hybrid vigor in plants. f1. i like em i grow em. they're 25% bigger and stronger. fact.
Now if i was to isolate over the next 6 months a South American and one pink buffalo{b3,PE, whatever}. keeping the two separate, so they don't cross prematurely.I'll isolate each strain creating the most monster one i can.  at that point I'll cross SUPER MEGA SHROOM with SUPER MEGA SHROOM and end up with a vigorous SUPER MEGA SHROOM. RIGHT.? then at that point go for a bigun again and isolate and stuff. But stop way before senescence or loss of vigor. comments?



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    #9226752 - 11/11/08 07:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

damn, i should of read sevens post above he said basically the same thing.oops:blush:


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    #9226763 - 11/11/08 07:58 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

what two big-uns should we start with???? pink buffalo+south american?????


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    #9226808 - 11/11/08 08:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

Just do lots and lots of multispore grows on cakes, and when you come across a strain that fruits large on a cake, clone and isolate it and grow it on a better substrate. Then take the largest fruits you get and clone and isolate them.


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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: dead]
    #9226873 - 11/11/08 08:16 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

i was speaking of doing side by side grows of the same strain from 2 diferent sources.keep both separate over many generations using spores from the largest fruit. once you notice a generation with all large fruits in both grows.  mix the largests spore prints from both grows togather. the keep it goin as one grow. mixing the prints would revive  vigor in the grow by adding variation:of the large kind:.. . no isolation yet.  isolate when you reach your goal of a monster fruit. find the substrain responsable for the large gennnetics in the fruit and you will have a monster isolate.  we werent talking about mixing diferent strains.


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    #9227854 - 11/11/08 11:04 PM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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Just do lots and lots of multispore grows on cakes, and when you come across a strain that fruits large on a cake, clone and isolate it and grow it on a better substrate. Then take the largest fruits you get and clone and isolate them.




There's more nutrients in brown rice than in poo or coir or any of that stuff. Shrooms are just smaller on cakes because cakes aint that big.


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    #9228757 - 11/12/08 05:29 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

seven. perfect. exactly. cant wait. stoked. I'll take pics. keep posted. procrastinate.





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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: seven]
    #9228996 - 11/12/08 08:02 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

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i was speaking of doing side by side grows of the same strain from 2 diferent sources.keep both separate over many generations using spores from the largest fruit. once you notice a generation with all large fruits in both grows.  mix the largests spore prints from both grows togather. the keep it goin as one grow. mixing the prints would revive  vigor in the grow by adding variation:of the large kind:.. . no isolation yet.  isolate when you reach your goal of a monster fruit. find the substrain responsable for the large gennnetics in the fruit and you will have a monster isolate.  we werent talking about mixing diferent strains.




I think this would be a great project. The only problem I see is that it's not as easy to cross the two strains as just putting the spores from the two sources into the same media. They may mate, but you'de never know for sure, especially with a swab of spores.

I'm sure others here know much more about it then me, but a method I've read about and plan on trying is making dilutions of the spores. You would take a small amount of spores, and mix it with say 10cc (1 syringe worth) of sterile water... You would then use a few drops of that to mix a whole other syringe. From there you would streak some of the secondary diluted spore water over some agar plates.

I commented on this once before in a little more detail here:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8932110#Post8932110

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Mushroom Cultivator: A Practical Guide to Growing Mushrooms at Home

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Re: SUPER MEGA MUSHROOM? [Re: Emperor Reishi]
    #9229160 - 11/12/08 09:04 AM (15 years, 4 months ago)

seems like having equal portions of each source of spores in a regular syringe (non-diluted but not dark) and inoculated into a grain jar would give highest chances of mating between the two sources of the same strain. :shrug:


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