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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: Veritas]
    #8972480 - 09/23/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Unfortunately so .:sad: along with Mysticism.:lol:


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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: Veritas]
    #8973657 - 09/23/08 03:21 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Wasn't Descartes right at the start of the enlightenment and the development of the scientific method? He was instrumental in setting it up and kinda started the whole idea but it wasn't until David Hume came along a hundred years later that the concept was finalised. So back when Descartes was around, all they needed was logic with no experiments. After the 18th century, we need logic and experimental evidence to support that logic, so we can't make up claims about the pineal gland any more.


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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: zouden]
    #8973722 - 09/23/08 03:34 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

His book, Discourses on the Method, was expanded upon to establish the scientific method.  However, the Scientific Revolution had begun prior to his birth, and science existed long before that.  I suppose it depends upon whether we "count" the scientific explorations which began in the earliest human civilizations, or wipe the slate clean prior to the establishment of modern science.

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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: Veritas]
    #8973751 - 09/23/08 03:38 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

>or wipe the slate clean prior to the establishment of modern science.

That's what I do, because I'm a science bigot who despises alchemy :grin:

That's the reason why the pre-enlightenment scientific achievements are relatively few compared to the 17th century onwards (apart from the field of mathematics). When the world was ruled by superstition, scientific progress was very slow.


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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: zouden]
    #8973845 - 09/23/08 03:53 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think that modern science emerged "full blown from the ear of Zeus," as the superstition-based saying goes :wink:.  The investigations and speculations of early scientists may have had a flawed methodology, but they still formed the foundation upon which later scientists based their improvements.  Science has certainly come a long way since the days when superstition ruled the world, but we must give credit where credit is due.

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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: Veritas]
    #8973891 - 09/23/08 04:02 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Yes, that's a good point, and I shouldn't be so bigoted.


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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: zouden]
    #8974045 - 09/23/08 04:36 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I agree that early science was severely handicapped by flawed methodology AND lack of technology.  Imagine what  the early geniuses could accomplish with the methods and tech we have today!

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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: Veritas]
    #8974065 - 09/23/08 04:41 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Accountants go back at least 5000 years. New tools, but not much real progress in this field. (AIG, ENRON, FM, anyone?)


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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8974071 - 09/23/08 04:43 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

You're confusing accounting with greed.  :lol:  Greed goes back at least as far as humanity.

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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: Veritas]
    #8974092 - 09/23/08 04:47 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

All the way back to the first alphabet to crawl from the primordial soup.


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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8974117 - 09/23/08 04:55 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Greed is part of evolution, if humans didnt try to get the things they want then they wouldn't be able to survive.

Too much greed, now that's another story.


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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #8974127 - 09/23/08 04:58 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

I don't think that greed has much to do with survival.

Greed: An excessive desire to acquire or possess more than what one needs or deserves, especially with respect to material wealth.

Getting what one needs is essential for survival, but greed goes beyond this.  I see the difference as pursuing wants vs. fulfilling needs.

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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: Veritas]
    #8974198 - 09/23/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

Well i guess by the definition of greed you proved me to be 100% percent wrong.  But hey at least you helped me learn.  ty veritas.


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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #8974240 - 09/23/08 05:27 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

NP. :smile:

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Re: Descartes: His view on pineal gland and consciousness. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #8974568 - 09/23/08 06:26 PM (15 years, 6 months ago)

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Accountants go back at least 5000 years. New tools, but not much real progress in this field. (AIG, ENRON, FM, anyone?)



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