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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: alphapacifist]
    #8954549 - 09/19/08 12:08 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Hi alphapacifist! I'm not trying to be a dick here, but it seems to me that you need to think the situation over once or twice. If you can't be bothered to wait for the better moment to trip, then I don't think you appreciate the seriousity of the substance. Remember that LSA might bring you a deeply profound, life changing spiritual experience!


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: alphapacifist]
    #8954567 - 09/19/08 12:14 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I'm so sorry.. I wanted to keep an eye on this thread and i couldnt find out how without replying. So If anyone would like to scold me then tell me how its done I would be ever so grateful.

P.S. I've done the water only extraction numerous times from 300-650 seeds with minimul results (heavenly blues from dutchland)

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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: ShroomBoominKid]
    #8954596 - 09/19/08 12:22 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I know that. That is why i am so eager. And youre not being a dick. =).
Im just really anxious i guess.. and no where has them. Ive been wanting to try them for over a year.


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: alphapacifist]
    #8954699 - 09/19/08 12:49 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

It's very reasonable that you're eager :smile: . Personally, I've been planning my next trip for about a year - it's not my first acid trip, though. I've got the setting just right, and the amount of planning involved has just been enormous. I guess that I'm just trying to say that a good acid trip calls for good planning and a good setting :smile:

Good luck to you!


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: Culpepers]
    #8954726 - 09/19/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah i get that. I just dont know where to get acid. Or MG for that matter. No place locally has them. =(.

Agh.


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: alphapacifist]
    #8954919 - 09/19/08 01:37 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, that is a drag :thumbdown:

For me, finding acid has pretty much been a matter of talking to the right people and going to the right kind of parties and festivals.

From what i hear, MG seeds are in good supply in the US(?) They sure are over here (northern europe). Aren't there any good head shops in your area?


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: Culpepers]
    #8954993 - 09/19/08 01:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Im on the phone. Found a place that has MG. HAHAHA! *jumps like girl*

and theyre okay here..


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: alphapacifist]
    #8955433 - 09/19/08 03:50 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Okay, well check it out. I went to Home Depot. Asked for the seeds (as i couldnt find them in the Garden Center).. They said they didnt have any.. Went to Wal-mart.. Same scenario..

So i looked up some places nearby that are "garden supply" centers and I'm hoping they have them. My blender is broken, so i wont be able to grind them up. I like to see visuals.. so should i go with the Hawaiian babies, or the heavenly blue?




They are probably going to be somewhat harder to find this time of the year since summer is winding down not as many places are going to have them, but some should have them all year long.

That sucks that your blender is broken, that is what i use to grind my seeds up and it works great. Coffee grinders work also, you can find cheap ones at walmart I'm sure if you don't have one.

LSA/MG isn't really all that visual of a trip, at least in my experience and what i have gathered from reading other peoples trip reports. When i got to my 500 seed dose i had some tracers, colors & objects became more vivid & clear, and some mild shape shifting/ morphing.  And that was at a rather high dose. Everyone will react differently, but remember visuals aren't the only thing to a trip.

I'm not sure of to many places that have Hawaiian baby woodrose seeds, you will probably have to go online to find them. But either way they both contain the same general active which is LSA, though they both also have different amounts of other amides or things that can give each seed a slightly different trip I'm sure.


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: openmind]
    #8955454 - 09/19/08 03:57 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, ive written down seriously about 15 numbers that ive called. feel like ive called everywhere...  Fuckin sucks dude. Ive been thinking about it all weekend and been waiting for Friday.


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: alphapacifist]
    #8955546 - 09/19/08 04:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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Yeah, ive written down seriously about 15 numbers that ive called. feel like ive called everywhere...  Fuckin sucks dude. Ive been thinking about it all weekend and been waiting for Friday.




If you have a card you could always just go online and get some. And usually the seeds are more reliable and cleaner when bought from an actual herbal website, and much cheaper you get way more seeds for you $.


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: openmind]
    #8955583 - 09/19/08 04:31 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Not really though cuz then you gotta pay shipping and wait. haha. Im impatient. Well ive called everyone and no one has them due to it almost being fall. They have the new "fall line" of seeds in. Damnit. Im all bummed now. I thought i was finally going to have my first real trip experience. Couldnt wait to write about it. Agh.


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: alphapacifist]
    #8956173 - 09/19/08 06:52 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I have consistently found that commercially available seeds work and that locally grown seeds are variable.

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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: alphapacifist]
    #8956194 - 09/19/08 06:55 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

where can you find the HBWR seeds?
how long is the "come up"?


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: GoldenCapAttack]
    #8956903 - 09/19/08 10:25 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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where can you find the HBWR seeds?
how long is the "come up"?




Just google Hawaiian Baby Woodrose Seeds and several online vendors should come up.

I have never done HBWR but with MG it took about 1 1/2 hours for my self to be full on tripping.


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: openmind]
    #8957790 - 09/20/08 05:52 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

"Morning glory seeds contain LSA (d-lysergic acid amide) that produces a trip similar to LSD. The difference is that there are fewer visuals (if any) and most of LSD's other "body effects" are significantly less. Morning glory seeds produce a mind trip reminiscent of LSD. The quality of the experience is directly proportional to the amount of seeds one can manage to ingest.

From The Complete Morning Glory FAQ:

PREPARATION : BEST METHOD

Equipment:

Coffee Grinder or equivalent to powder seeds
2 Jars with Lids
1 Coffee Filter or Funnel
Coffee Filters or Filter Paper
Chemical/Biological:

Morning Glory Seeds {Heavenly Blue variety contains the most LSA per seed} (1 seed = ~ 1ug) (50-500ug=1 dose)
Petroleum Ether
Ethanol-based liquid suitable for human consumption in approximate order of preference:
Reagent Grade Ethanol
EverClear or similiar substance
100 Proof or better vodka or gin
151 Proof rum
other beverages 80 proof or better
- or -
Water-based beverages (not preferred (nausea))

Processing Methodology:

If using treated seeds wash thoroughly in detergent and cold water first.
Grind seeds to powder in coffee grinder {or pepper mill}
Place powder in jar with a "healthy" qty of petroleum ether. (~360-500 ml/500 seeds (can't use too much, can use too little))
Put lid on jar and shake it vigorously for a while. Let stand 20 minutes (you can shake it more if you like) Shake jar, remove lid, and pour suspension into filter (with filter paper in place).
Use second jar to catch the petroleum ether than comes through the filter paper. (Windows should be open or do this outside otherwise you will get prematurely in a non-canonical fashion). If some seed powder clings to the side of the jar, rinse it out with some of the filtered ether.
When finished, you will have slightly discolored petroleum ether in a jar and the powder on the filter paper.
*** DO NOT DRINK THE PETROLEUM ETHER ***.

Put the lid on that jar and save it to reuse next time (you can get at least five processing cycles out of it). Dry the seed powder THOROUGHLY.
Wash and dry the empty jar.
When powder is thoroughly dry, place it back in the jar and add alcohol. The amount of alcohol is critical, since you will be drinking it later, and will vary according to your propensities, tolerances, and the intended intensity of your proposed voyage.
For light, recreational use, assuming reasonable alcohol tolerance use 1 oz. of alcohol per 30-50 seeds. For intense meditation use 1 /250 seeds. If you use a high seed/alcohol ratio you will want to prepare a large number of seeds at a time otherwise you will be working with micro-quantities and it gets more tedious (unless you like that sort of thing).
Soak the seed powder in the alcohol, shaking frequently, for three days.
Filter again, as before. Discard the seed powder (unless you wish to make 'soap'). Keep the alcohol for use. Drink the alcohol to achieve desired effect.



Important: Do not use tap water in conjunction with any part of the seed preparation (e.g. substituting tap water for the alcohol). The chlorine in tap water will destroy the LSA.
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Thanks to everything2.com

I have all the gear ready at mine but just need the high grade alcohol. Everclear doesn't seem available in the UK so I may have to plump for blue Smirnoff (about 45%). Can anyone suggest anything better which should be obtainable in UK?

I noticed IPA suggested, could this be used with this method, or has it added poisons to discourage drinking?

To the original poster, here in the UK I just pop down to the local garden center and even pound stretcher and places have them. Anywhere that sells flower seeds really. Otherwise online vendors all seem to have


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: UK Explorer]
    #8957793 - 09/20/08 05:53 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

I've also heard about peppermint oil elsewhre. Where would I add this to this process and how much?


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: UK Explorer]
    #8957856 - 09/20/08 06:55 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

Raw Heavenly Blue seeds have worked for me as a shroom-like psychedelic at 300+ seeds and as a mild stimulant and muscle relaxant at even under 20 seeds. I've been using the same batch of seeds from an ethnobotanical company for years. I haven't tried water extraction with them.

Unfortunately their taste is worse than an equivalent weight of probably any type of shroom you can find, though removing the volatile oils in the seeds will remove the nasty flavors...I also find that cooking the seeds (frying or sauteeing) in margarine will make them brown-up, turn crunchy, and taste like pine nuts (at least some potency remains, but I haven't tried cooking and eating a large quantity yet).

(Cooking does not work with Rivea corymbosa and probably won't with HBWR, it seems)


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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: N2loma]
    #8958348 - 09/20/08 10:28 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

IMO, the FAQ involving everclear is shit.

All you need is water, a pepper grinder / coffee bean grinder / blender, cheese cloth / porous coffee filter.

Grind seeds.
Soak in water for at least 10 minutes.
Filter through cloth or filter paper.
Filtrate contains soluble amides of lysergic acid and related compounds.

The seeds are approximately 1 gram / 30 seeds.  I seriously don't recommend going above 15 grams (450 seeds).  7 grams is alright for a test dose.  Physical side effects can be unpleasant (I get vasoconstriction and notice that my hands feel cramped).

Lysergic acid amide itself (ergine) one of the ergot alkaloids found in morning glory seeds, but IIRC Hofmann thought ergometrine (ergonovine, lysergic acid propanolamide) may be the principle psychedelic.

  * Ergine (Lysergic Acid Amide, LAA, LA-111, Lysergamide)
  * Isoergine (Isolysergic Acid Amide)
  * Ergonovine (Lysergic Acid Propanolamide)

The chemicals found in much lower concentrations are:

        Agroclavine
        Setoclavine
        Restuclavine
        Cycloclavine
        Lysergine
        * Elymoclavine
        * Lysergol
        Penniclavine
        Chanoclavine


A "*" indicates that the substance is thought to have psychedelic activity.

As for this stuff about peppermint oil and "LSH", I have seen the original thread about this and the related paper, but have yet to see anything which even remotely makes me believe that LSH has even been prepared by anyone (I haven't looked at all the posts, but the LSH thing looks like a shitty pipe dream).

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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: deCypher]
    #8958516 - 09/20/08 11:20 AM (15 years, 5 months ago)

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The Cypher said:
I'd recommend HBWR seeds over Morning Glories... it only takes seven to ten seeds of HBWR to trip; whereas with morning glories you have to deal with hundreds and then will most likely have to perform an extraction.





^^^^ This is a better plan.

You need to make sure you get actual HBWR seeds, not something that looks like them.

I've taken them a few times. First time 7 or so (can't remember) I felt pretty terrible. Sick, urge to constantly stretch and move around, but with my eyes closed I was seeing rotating 3d objects in my mind with lightning like sparks coming off them, colours seemed to slew around a little with my eyes open.

Next time I took 15 with two other people. One was sick within two hours or so. The other was being sick the next morning, around 9 hours later. Strangely, apart from a slight stomach upset, I was perfectly good throughout the night. I'd smoked a bit of green, but I don't know if that could have such a strong effect.

Again, 100% unable to sleep and an urge to stretch out my muscles and move around all night. The next morning it was really sunny outside and everything still had a sparkle to it. No intense visuals throughout the trip, but a cool brighter than normal, sparkly appearance to things. I felt excellent as they started to wear off as well, super refreshed and my feet were tingling a little. I was sure I could still feel something different the next night when we went for a smoke.

I tried taking 25. Just too sick. Puked them up, no real lasting effect. I went outside and it seemed like the sun had moved up to the Earth.

If you sick them up, the effect seems to wear off extremely quickly, and I chewed mine really well. When I've been sick, and seen other people be sick, the effects just don't seem to persist. When I've held them down, they've lasted a -long- time.

You should also feel a disgusting, dry, almost soapy taste in your mouth and your skin might feel dry - that's a good sign you have the correct HBWR seeds.

Your need the correct seeds, enough of them and not to be sick. If you fail on any of these, you will fail to feel much.

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Re: Do Morning Glory seeds work? [Re: johnuk]
    #8959587 - 09/20/08 04:26 PM (15 years, 5 months ago)

After years of wanting to hallucinate...morning glory was the first drug that actually met my expectations. After taking lower doses (250-300 seeds) I had 700 left and figured I'd take them all. It was great. I did get sick and regretted eating them for about 15 minutes but that went away and what I was left with was intense euphoria and tracers from what I remember...It's really hard to remember exactly what I experienced...all I know is that it was way better then DXM and Diphenhydramine. Dduring this experience I realized why people get addicted to the harder drugs that cause euphoria. I just wanted to let you know that yes! They do work! Well for me any way. Keep in mind that I'm 6 2 220 lbs. So you may not need to take 700.

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