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 Re: Whats your favorite Opiate?  [Re: Daijo]
#14881520 - 08/06/11 05:16 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Silversoul
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: pfshroomer]
#14882330 - 08/06/11 08:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I like poppy seed muffins. Other than that, no thanks on the opiates. Unless I'm in pain.
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Daijo]
#14887309 - 08/07/11 10:19 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Daijo said:
Dextromethorphan
Since when is this an opiate?
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BothHands
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Chez man]
#14887410 - 08/07/11 10:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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It has a morphinan backbone, and very slight opioid activity (about 100 times lower than hydrocodone).
Whether you want to consider it an opioid, that's up to you.
Edited by BothHands (08/07/11 10:58 PM)
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: BothHands]
#14907886 - 08/11/11 08:39 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Chez man]
#14908715 - 08/11/11 11:26 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Chez man said:
Quote:
Daijo said:
Dextromethorphan
Since when is this an opiate?
Dextromethorphan is the dextrorotatory enantiomer of the methyl ether of levorphanol, an opioid analgesic
-Wiki
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Daijo]
#14909469 - 08/12/11 03:02 AM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Daijo said:
Quote:
Chez man said:
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Daijo said:
Dextromethorphan
Since when is this an opiate?
Dextromethorphan is the dextrorotatory enantiomer of the methyl ether of levorphanol, an opioid analgesic
-Wiki
Opioid=opiate like
I thought this thread was 'bout opiates, but
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Chez man]
#14910577 - 08/12/11 12:10 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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I would love to wax all philashophical about opiates, but ill save some 25c words. They are much like Cujo, when u first get them(him), there oh soo great and give you that warm fuzzy feelin. After routine use Cujo gets rabbies and you know the rest.
Opiates dont give a fuck how much you know about them, they do what there suppose too. Its up to you crossing that line between " im in pain!!" "well maybe just couple extra wont hurt"
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Chez man]
#14911132 - 08/12/11 02:30 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Chez man said:
Opioid=opiate like
I thought this thread was 'bout opiates, but
I'm pretty sure he meant opioid.
Heroin is an opioid. Oxycodone is an opioid. The only drugs that are considered opiates are the chemicals that occur naturally in the opium poppy.
If you want to narrow it down that thoroughly, you're going to have to complain to about 80% of the people in the thread.
500mg DXM has the same opioid activity as 5mg hydrocodone (another opioid, not opiate). 500mg is a very common dosage, and has a discernible opioid effect.
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: BothHands]
#14911192 - 08/12/11 02:45 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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no, heroin is an opiate, it's falls in the category of semi-synthetic derivatives
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In medicine, the term opiate describes any of the narcotic opioid alkaloids found as natural products in the opium poppy plant, as well as many semisynthetic chemical derivatives of such alkaloids.[1]
it feels kinda natural because it feels like morphine
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a drug containing opium or its derivatives, used in medicine for inducing sleep and relieving pain.
dictionary.com
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: BothHands]
#14911208 - 08/12/11 02:48 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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no, heroin is an opiate, it's falls in the category of semi-synthetic opiates
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In medicine, the term opiate describes any of the narcotic opioid alkaloids found as natural products in the opium poppy plant, as well as man
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: teefizzle]
#14911275 - 08/12/11 03:03 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Hmm, my mistake. Well, then it seems naltrexone is an opiate. 
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: BothHands]
#14911995 - 08/12/11 05:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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BothHands said:
Hmm, my mistake. Well, then it seems naltrexone is an opiate.
No naltreone is NOT an opiate. I guess you could consider it an opioid, more specifically an opioid receptor antagonist.
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Chez man]
#14912382 - 08/12/11 07:24 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Chez man said:
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BothHands said:
Hmm, my mistake. Well, then it seems naltrexone is an opiate.
No naltreone is NOT an opiate. I guess you could consider it an opioid, more specifically an opioid receptor antagonist.
Opiate: compound containing the fundamental morphine or thebaine structure possessing some affinity to any, or all, of the opioid receptor subtypes. Examples are heroin, buprenorphine and naltrexone.
Naltrexone is a semi-synthetic derivitave of one of the opium poppy's compounds.
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: BothHands]
#14912658 - 08/12/11 08:43 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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any drug that affect the opiate receptors is an opioid drug. even immodium and menthol have opiate properties. narcan is most definately an opioid drug.
but i really think we are disecting this way too much here.
teefizzle quote...."it feels kinda natural because it feels like morphine"
what heroin? ive always read that heroin and morphine are damn near the same thing. as soon as it hits the brain, it becomes morphine. heroin is just a compound that can allow more morphine to hit the brain at once. it is a synthetic opiate to some extent, but it hits the body as natural morphine.
yet it can be detected in certain drug screens as a distinct molecule from morphine.
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#14912669 - 08/12/11 08:46 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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We were talking about the differences between an opioid and an opiate. DXM is an opioid, but not an opiate, and some people where getting upset that it was mentioned, since it doesn't fit into the first category.
But if we're restricting ourselves to the first category, a lot of other chemicals are left out, like fentanyl, for example, which is an opioid, but not an opiate.
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#14912675 - 08/12/11 08:48 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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does dxm really have any opiate properties?
its been my understanding that dxm is made from opiates but i dont think it actually posseses any true opiate properties. it can help with opiate w/d to some degree but its more of an NDMA drug than anything. and the effects of these drugs can seem somewhat opiate like.
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Re: Whats your favorite Opiate? [Re: Lipa Kreepa]
#14912684 - 08/12/11 08:49 PM (1 year, 9 months ago) |
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Yes, as I mentioned earlier, it has a morphinan back bone, and an opioid affinity that is about 100 times lower than hydrocodone. But since large DXM doses are taken, the low affinity is made up for. A 500mg dose of DXM has the same opioid effect as 5mg hydrocodone. 5mg hydrocodone does cause a noticeable, measurable opioid effect.
Its primary effect is not as an opioid though. It's as an SRI and SRA. The metabolite DXO's primary effect is as an NMDA antagonist.
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