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 Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8764624 - 08/12/08 06:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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you know how if you press on your eyes you can get crazy visuals? that's that. entoptic phenomena. neato.
When I press on my eyes, I see snow like on a TV channel that is off the air....
I don't see motifs, I see random speckles of white/black gradients....
Don't think it is the same thing.... 
Unless other people see shapes when they press their eyes - which is entirely possible I guess....
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Press your knuckles against your eyelids where the pupil is, gently but firmly. You'll get some pretty serious visuals this way. It actually effects your vision for a few seconds after you open your eyes.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: redgreenvines]
#8764650 - 08/12/08 06:28 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Dude I had the strongest visuals I have ever had this past weekend. I couldn't have timed those other 2 hits any better, they complemented the 2 from earlier in the day perfect. I was peaking right as BLR and the codetalkers came on. The music was taking ahold of me, I was having such a good time it was hard bottling up the emotions that were flowing. I would keep nodding off cause I was so fucked up and when I closed my eyes the lights would be changing and it was epic. I would look down at my shirt and it was also changing with the lights it was extremely powerful though. I am recalling all the times I would nod off onto something and not watch the music. Like during mellow songs when he wasn't shredding. I finally noticed all this hay on the ground only it was very geometrical and pattern like. They were all forming like octagon shapes and the lights were hitting them and it was like the ground was a lazer show almost. It was easily the best experience I ever had on L. It was a beautiful day, hell I even got to try DMT for the first time, numerous times that day.
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 Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Lion]
#8764676 - 08/12/08 06:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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OK, I just did it, and it hurts, but all I saw was random "snow"....
It was less gradients as I remember, and more just white on black.....
On a side note, I have only experienced visuals during altered states a couple of times, in very minimal ways - as compared to other's stories....
So, I could actually be "different" in that respect....
If this is not the consensus, I will humbly bow out of this part of the discussion....
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: PhanTomCat]
#8764723 - 08/12/08 06:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I usually have to eat over an eighth of dried cubes to get good visuals... 5-7 grams for intense, all consuming visuals.
In general, if you don't see 'em, and you want visuals, you need to take more.
Good pot during the come up helps too.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Lion]
#8764850 - 08/12/08 06:56 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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If you shift the area and amount of pressure you can get some pretty neat effects, moving, spiralling kind of stuff. that and spinning around til i was dizzy was what i did for fun as a kid. 
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8764894 - 08/12/08 07:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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never had this happen on cubes, lsd + pot is what really does me in. trip report -
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8339981#Post8339981
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: deranger]
#8764995 - 08/12/08 07:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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In general, I see fewer fractals with cubes than other psychedelics... but I suspect other people have different experiences.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8765935 - 08/12/08 11:03 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said:
you know how if you press on your eyes you can get crazy visuals? that's that. entoptic phenomena. neato.
i get great visuals, never pressing on eyes.
pressing on eyes is not good for them.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: redgreenvines]
#8768718 - 08/13/08 02:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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It's not!? 
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Lion]
#8768939 - 08/13/08 02:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Pushing on the eyes causes cataracts.
A strobe light will stimulate visuals.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Mr. Middle]
#8769877 - 08/13/08 05:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: bradley]
#8770018 - 08/13/08 06:02 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I tried to think up an original fractal but I couldn't.
Now I just layed down tiredly on my bed and saw a faint pattern of circles made up of circles, as if each bead in the picture below was made up of a bead necklace.
It came involuntarily but fuzzily. 
pretty boring fractal. damn. i really liked this thread though.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: bradley]
#8770780 - 08/13/08 08:26 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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gorgeous necklace
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: redgreenvines]
#8775544 - 08/14/08 10:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT WAS SCARY AS FUCKING HELL! I Did the thing where you put your knuckles over your eyes and I had extremely intense fractcals, i did it for like 1min.. the scary part was that when I opened my eyes they still engulfed my vision for like 2 seconds..... wow scary
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: learningtofly]
#8777571 - 08/15/08 11:52 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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learningtofly said:
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT WAS SCARY AS FUCKING HELL! I Did the thing where you put your knuckles over your eyes and I had extremely intense fractcals, i did it for like 1min.. the scary part was that when I opened my eyes they still engulfed my vision for like 2 seconds..... wow scary
I used to do this all the time as a kid, it's pretty damn trippy. It's the same kind of stuff you see on drugs. Funny that.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: BlindSophist]
#8795269 - 08/19/08 10:18 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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are all math fractals by definition infinite in complexity, or can you make imperfect ones that eventually end?
i've been trying to figure out why natural fractals can die or errode
is there math for having two fractals interact, so that one fractal breaks down another one?
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: truekimbo2]
#8795335 - 08/19/08 10:31 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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First question, yes they are infinite in complexity. If you can make one that will eventually end, it is no longer a fractal. Thats leads into your second sentence, natural fractals are not really fractals at all! Mystics use the term loosely and will see fractals in anything from space to broccoli. But real fractals, as you know, go on to infinity. The only thing Ive seen in nature that is a real fractal are models for chaotic systems. And here, its not something you see that looks like a fractal, the model exhibits infinite self-similarity and that is what is fractal like.
As for your last question... I have never seen or heard anything about that, but I think it can happen. Maybe if you superimpose a fractal with its inverse (which is also a fractal) then you can get a constant out, or at least non-fractal behavior.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: DieCommie]
#8796604 - 08/19/08 02:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm not so sure that something necessarily has to have infinite complexity or resolution to be called a fractal. There are other features that describe shapes with fractal geometry. Objects or shapes that are made up of many tiny replicas of the whole and those parts too are made up of even smaller parts of the same shape. I don't think the word fractal necessarily implies a shape that can be magnified infinitely, although its those that make fractals so incredible.
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Mystics use the term loosely and will see fractals in anything from space to broccoli.
Fractal geometers also use the term to describe a whole lot of what they see in nature.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: BoneMan]
#8796647 - 08/19/08 02:09 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html
The 'on all scales' there is the key, however I dont think there is yet a formal definition of fractal. When I hear mathematicians use it to describe nature I interpret that as shorthand for 'approximate fractal'. Of course thats the case for nearly all phenomenon in nature... the models only approximate them.
So, until there is further development and standardization in the field, I guess you can define a fractal anyway you want.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8800948 - 08/20/08 11:54 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Why do we see spiraling, organic, geometric patterns when we are having trip visuals?
Because fractales and geometric patterns are simple objects. A fractale is one patterns replicated n times in all direction. It can written in 2 lines code: pattern description * nb of times. On the opposite, a full landscape would require 100 lines of code to be describe to a computer.
On acid, your brain loose its ability to build constructs, everything is melting. You are loosing the full landscape because your brain is loosing its ability to construct it. Literally your brain is giving you all it can process, which is 2 lines of information, fractales.
Loosing constructs can also help you to see all the bad ones you jailed yourself in.
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