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kaal-kopje said:
I suspect the visual qualities of the trip to be on par with the baeocystine (or norbaeocystine) content of the mushroom species.

since azures and pan cyans are relatively high in baeocystine , it might explain the excellent visual qualities of the trip experienced when consuming these mushrooms.

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I think I remember (unfortunately I can't find the source right now, but I'll try to hand it in later), that Psilocybe semilanceata averagely have the highest content of Baeocystin, Pan. cyanescens, as well as P. cyanescens have extremely high extremely high Psilocin content, which makes them pretty strong when fresh or freshly dried, but also makes them lose a lot of their potency after a -comparable- short time.

I especially experienced that with Pan. cyanescens.
When they were freshly dried they were absolutely amazing in terms of potency and visuals, but -after half a year- they were pretty lame.

When it comes to Ps. cyanescens, I think I can detect a loss in the visual agility of this mushroom, but it still -even after two years- provides a pretty strong stoner effect.

So I conclude, that the visual agility has rather something to do, with the Psilocin content.

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kaal-kopje said:
I suspect the visual qualities of the trip to be on par with the baeocystine (or norbaeocystine) content of the mushroom species.

since azures and pan cyans are relatively high in baeocystine , it might explain the excellent visual qualities of the trip experienced when consuming these mushrooms.

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I think I remember (unfortunately I can't find the source right now, but I'll try to hand it in later), that Psilocybe semilanceata averagely have the highest content of Baeocystin, Pan. cyanescens, as well as P. cyanescens have extremely high extremely high Psilocin content, which makes them pretty strong when fresh or freshly dried, but also makes them lose a lot of their potency after a -comparable- short time.

I especially experienced that with Pan. cyanescens.
When they were freshly dried they were absolutely amazing in terms of potency and visuals, but -after half a year- they were pretty lame.

When it comes to Ps. cyanescens, I think I can detect a loss in the visual agility of this mushroom, but it still -even after two years- provides a pretty strong stoner effect.

So I conclude, that the visual agility has rather something to do, with the Psilocin content.

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Psilocybin is readily hydrolysed in the acidic environment of the stomach to psilocin, so i don't think that psilocin on its own can be the major contributor to the visual aspects of the shroom trip.
There must be something else besides psilocybin/psilocin in there that produces the strong visuals.
thats why i suspect the combination of baeocystin-psilocin to play some sort of role.

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When we stick to one species of mushrooms, it would make perfect sense, when we DO take Psilocin as the "visual" compound within the mushroom.
Psilocin is very reactive to oxygen, while Psilocybin is rather consistent.
Since -as you already said- Psilocybin is metabolized to Psilocin and therefore Psilocin is the actual active agent of mushrooms, it would be just a matter of Psilocin amount, that's responsible for the visuals. Meaning, "older" dried fruits contain less Psilocin (the actual Psilocin, that was once present as "Psilocin" and the Psilocin that is Psilocybin until it's metabolized to Psilocin in the body).

Now, the problem that appears with this logic is, that when we take different genera or species, the visual effect seems to be different, although the mathematically calculation of amount tells us, that it's either the same or an even higher amount of active compounds, we took in form of a mushroom, that -in the end- appears to be "weaker" (1,5 grams of Azures or Hawaiians appear to be "stronger" and more visual, than 4 grams of Cubes, although 4 grams of Cubes contain more Psilocybin (Psilocin).

This could lead us to believe, that it's indeed the Baeocystin (which is contained in higher amounts within Azures and Pan. cyans), BUT -and here comes the crux- Baeocystin is contained in other species as well, in even higher amounts, than in Azures or Pan. cyans) -for example Ps. semilanceata-.

Baeocystin is expected to be a prestage of Psilocin.
The effects that appear, when it's consumed alone are rather weak, compared to the effects of Psilocin.

We could assume, that Baeocystin functions as a kind of "visual amplifier", but it's effects last for only about three hours.

As we see, we're just as prudent as we were before.

It's probably some ingredient we wouldn't expect, that causes the differences in visual effects and power of the trip.

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m-d-m-a said:
man libs are strong!

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No question about it, but there's species, that are a lot stronger.

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LibLondon said:
Right, been working all this morning so haven't had chance to go out hunting today. Gonna give it a try tomorrow come rain wind or shine. In the meantime i had a little forrage in my back garden and found these chaps. Anyone know what they are?

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Mystery420 said:
Yeah same here dicky. And i dont think the pot noodle idea would work best to take them on an empty stomach in a cup of green tea or something :]

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ok cheers mate. i dont think the empty stomach thing is such a big deal. last time i tripped i ate a large kebab beforehand, still tripped pretty hard and had no nausea!

obviously i know about making tea to extract the psilocybin, but to make it easier and quicker, just want to know if this is sufficient to kill at least most of the bacteria!

if anyone else has any info id be glad to hear it