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 Cervantes
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 Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: redgreenvines]
#8759254 - 08/11/08 04:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Interesting. Where did you learn that?
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8759503 - 08/11/08 05:12 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Did you read the brainsturbator article in my first reply?
Also check out this new scientist article that suggests that the universe is in fact one big fractal. It looks like the big bang theory is soon to be obsolete.
new scientist.
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redgreenvines
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8759890 - 08/11/08 07:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Interesting. Where did you learn that?
polyopia was first noticed before 1920 in this book
which predates the evidence that memory is stored holographically in multiple places at the same time.
both facts support eachother.
it may require that an individual is stoned to integrate the multiple fading elements of memory fixation into an ongoing psychedelic ezperience, but these events are natural.
on psychedelic
signals just fade more slowly.
the fabrio of memory leaves a wider footprint as it follows it's stream
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#8759897 - 08/11/08 07:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Why do we see them?
Is there a scientific explanation for this shared visual?
The scientific explanation is what we see, faith is why.
Faith in what?
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Icelander]
#8760993 - 08/11/08 11:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Icelander said:
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ExplosiveMango said:
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Cervantes said:
Why do we see them?
Is there a scientific explanation for this shared visual?
The scientific explanation is what we see, faith is why.
Faith in what?
In the detail you are currently seeing the fractal to be.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: redgreenvines]
#8761295 - 08/12/08 01:03 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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All of reality is one big, fat, transcendent fractal. That's what's the fuck is up with them.
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Love of one is a barbarism; for it is exercised at the expense of all others. The love of God, too.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: BlindSophist]
#8761919 - 08/12/08 07:29 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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this can be true, but it does not explain what is happenning when you are stoned and you seem to be seeing this aspect of things.
i.e. why not see it when not stoned.
patterning in visions and progressions in composite images are consistent with the machinery of
memory (holographc and distributed storage),
timing (mathematical - predictive) and
thought (associative recall by simmilarity).
I think everyone should get more into fractals and logrythmic functions to see how they are part of nature, rather than discounting it as just a thing that exists.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8762329 - 08/12/08 10:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Entoptic Phenomenon
"There has been a great deal of work trying to find evidence of motifs and compositions derived from entoptic phenomena in prehistoric art, especially rock art and megalithic art. The justification of this research is that entoptic phenomena normally occur during states of altered consciousness, the practice of which may impact our views of ancient religious and social practice." from Entoptic Phenomena in archaeology
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Revelation]
#8762932 - 08/12/08 12:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Revelation said:
Did you read the brainsturbator article in my first reply?
Also check out this new scientist article that suggests that the universe is in fact one big fractal. It looks like the big bang theory is soon to be obsolete.
new scientist.
Very interesting theory. Thanks for the link.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: ExplosiveMango]
#8763066 - 08/12/08 01:23 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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ExplosiveMango said:
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Icelander said:
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ExplosiveMango said:
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Cervantes said:
Why do we see them?
Is there a scientific explanation for this shared visual?
The scientific explanation is what we see, faith is why.
Faith in what?
In the detail you are currently seeing the fractal to be.
I have faith in the detail of fractals?
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"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Icelander]
#8763113 - 08/12/08 01:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yes Ice, if you BELIEVE, it will become TRUE.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Cervantes]
#8763126 - 08/12/08 01:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Damn, I didn't know that. And I really hadn't even thought about them very much. The force must be strong in me.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: Icelander]
#8763212 - 08/12/08 02:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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you have the force of a glacier
much fractal crystals in the ice
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: redgreenvines]
#8763225 - 08/12/08 02:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'm a little snowflake short and stout. And very individual.
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“What is the ideal for mental health, then? A lived, compelling illusion that does not lie about life, death, and reality; one honest enough to follow its own commandments: I mean, not to kill, not to take the lives of others to justify itself.”
― Ernest Becker
"Beneath the civilized veneer, man remains the supreme predator. Cursed with what he believes is understanding, his true soul blossoms godlike in the heart of the nuclear inferno."
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8764228 - 08/12/08 05:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said:
Entoptic Phenomenon
"There has been a great deal of work trying to find evidence of motifs and compositions derived from entoptic phenomena in prehistoric art, especially rock art and megalithic art. The justification of this research is that entoptic phenomena normally occur during states of altered consciousness, the practice of which may impact our views of ancient religious and social practice." from Entoptic Phenomena in archaeology
Hey look everybody I actually answered the question! weeee! entoptic phenomenon actually explains the geometric patterns that everyone sees when they trip or have a fever or meditate for long enough or whatever.... you're literally seeing the inside of your eye and interpreting it in different strange ways.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8764257 - 08/12/08 05:24 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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the inside of the eye then
ok
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: redgreenvines]
#8764355 - 08/12/08 05:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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you know how if you press on your eyes you can get crazy visuals? that's that. entoptic phenomena. neato.
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8764504 - 08/12/08 06:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Yeah, those visuals are intense! Probably my first 'psychedelic' visions...:D
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 Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8764577 - 08/12/08 06:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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NiamhNyx said:
you know how if you press on your eyes you can get crazy visuals? that's that. entoptic phenomena. neato.
When I press on my eyes, I see snow like on a TV channel that is off the air....
I don't see motifs, I see random speckles of white/black gradients....
Don't think it is the same thing.... 
Unless other people see shapes when they press their eyes - which is entirely possible I guess....
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Re: Fractals... What the Fuck is Up With Them? [Re: NiamhNyx]
#8764585 - 08/12/08 06:19 PM (3 years, 9 months ago) |
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Not the same... not in my experience. And like red said, that would only explain CEVs.
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