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im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed
#8717616 - 08/02/08 06:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, so i have 3 jars right now and 6 more in a week or so. I want to case.

im tired of tiny yeilds from the brf cakes, rolled in verm.

so i decided to case.

Ive been reading tek's and I DONT WANT TO USE POO.

I want alot of yeild. so i decided to go with...

those aluminum foil trays. i can fit about 3 of them in my 72q shotgun FC

So im thinking...

coir and verm in a 50/50 mix. that gets alot of yeild from what i hear.

i just dont know how i would case it. im guessing i would..

crumble the cake the sterile way in a bag. then pour the contents into the tray.

then take the mix of 50/50 and put it ontop

so lemme hear some advice

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717633 - 08/02/08 06:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not to descourage you from your adventure but, honestly if you want big or bigger yeilds like your post says why dont you try spawning to a bulk substrate.

What size are your jars?

I read alot of great stuff on spawning to coir, wether you use verm mix, or any other addative myc will tear right through coir if your mixture is correct, and since you are trying to get huge yeilds i would say this would be your best bet I myself have decided to spawn to bulk substrate after reading alot of peoples experience with doing so.

If your going to case, coir is not such a good casing as a "casing" is to make a microclimate for your myc to thrive and start to produce pins on top, the coir would just act as a top layer of substrate and you would probably suffer from overlay.

A casing is supposed to contain no nutrients as this would encourage your myc to just grow all over it, if you are going to case maybe you could do 75 verm 25 coir? maybe this will slow the rate at which the top layer is consumed.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717638 - 08/02/08 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

bulk substrate usually involves straw or poo.

i however dont have a pressure cooker, so im looking for an alternative.

also, i would be happy to have an dried ounce off 2 cakes/casing or more lol.

i just feel my stash isnt adequate enough. i get like 4 dried grams off 2 flushes. its wack.

my jars are 1/2 pint i believe

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717644 - 08/02/08 06:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

also in addition to my post above, i like coir because it RETAINS MORE WATER THAN VERM :smile:

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717647 - 08/02/08 06:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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bulk substrate usually involves straw or poo.

i however dont have a pressure cooker, so im looking for an alternative.

Just so you know, you dont pressure cook straw/hay or poop, you put it in a pot or ice chest with 175F water and you let it sit there for a few hours...

If you were to pressure cook it, the good bacteria would be killed which helps fight mold.

Basically if you wanna do bulk with pf-cakes you do the same thing you would with PC/WBS/whatever crumple/cheese grade your cakes, then mix with the hay or poop then let it colonize. you can even colonize coir if you want

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717648 - 08/02/08 06:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You dont need to have poo nor straw to do bulk substrate, you dont even need a PC either to sterilze, if your going to do coir spawn you can boil water at 170 deg's and place the bricks in a bucket and let them sit for a while this is a really easy way to pasterize large amounts on substrate, obviously you drain it and let cool for atleast a couple of hours before you actually can use it but it works.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717652 - 08/02/08 06:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Dj coir contains nutrients and verm doesnt, this is why if you were going to spawn you would use coir, if you were going to case I'd use verm/peat moss. my 2cents :smile:

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717655 - 08/02/08 06:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ok, so ill cheeze grate my cakes.

then ill fill the aluminum tray with JUST the coir after i soak it and etc...

then the coir will be colonized too?

what would i do after the coir is good? should i turn on the light and have them start pinning>

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717663 - 08/02/08 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

coir is a bulk sub. add some gypsum and coffee grounds for the win.

you should reconsider the poop thing. a little bit added to your coir is sure to go a long way.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717674 - 08/02/08 06:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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djblackout said:
ok, so ill cheeze grate my cakes.

then ill fill the aluminum tray with JUST the coir after i soak it and etc...

then the coir will be colonized too?

what would i do after the coir is good? should i turn on the light and have them start pinning>

my friend adds a layer of verm to the top (bout a quarter to a half inch) and mists it down with water. let it sit a couple more days and expose it to light and FAE. FAE is more important than light, but light is still needed.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8717681 - 08/02/08 06:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If your going to spawn to coir, you would sterilize the coir, then you would just crumble up the cakes as you would if you were going to case them place it in the trays, cover it up with subtrate then cover your trays for a couple of days and allow the myc to grow on top you can also patch areas to help with an even pinset if you want to.

I saw a post where I guy took whole cakes and cut them in half, then placed then side by side 3 1/2 pint cakes in an aluminum tray and filled with coir, and his flush was awsome. This would probably be the way I am going to do it since you dont ever interupt the myc growth and it will more then likely colonize alot more even and alot quicker.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8717686 - 08/02/08 06:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i just cant have any smell coming from the room in growing from.

thats what scares me about poop

so here we go this is how ill do it, unless someone sways me on poo

1. cheeze grate BRF cake into EMPTY aluminum tray. make a nice even layer on the bottom.

2. put the coir on top. about an inch

3. put a 1/4'' of verm on top.

but then what do i do afterwards? do i just pin it like that?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717691 - 08/02/08 06:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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risndeath said:

I saw a post where I guy took whole cakes and cut them in half, then placed then side by side 3 1/2 pint cakes in an aluminum tray and filled with coir, and his flush was awsome. This would probably be the way I am going to do it since you dont ever interupt the myc growth and it will more then likely colonize alot more even and alot quicker.

do you have a link to that?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717695 - 08/02/08 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If your going to spawn to coir, you would sterilize the coir, then you would just crumble up the cakes as you would if you were going to case them place it in the trays, cover it up with subtrate then cover your trays for a couple of days and allow the myc to grow on top you can also patch areas to help with an even pinset if you want to.

I saw a post where I guy took whole cakes and cut them in half, then placed then side by side 3 1/2 pint cakes in an aluminum tray and filled with coir, and his flush was awsome. This would probably be the way I am going to do it since you dont ever interupt the myc growth and it will more then likely colonize alot more even and alot quicker.

first of all, you need to PASTEURIZE the coir. second of all, i would recommend adding spent coffee grounds and some gypsum. about a 1/10 ratio is fine for both.

third, you need to let it sit for a week or so. what you are describing is letting a casing layer colonize. if he is SPAWNING to coir, he needs to wait until the coir is white like a cake, then case that, wait a couple days, then expose to fruiting conditions.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717696 - 08/02/08 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmm..

After setting up your substrate I'd imagine you would wait 3-10 days for it to colonize it at which time you can consider pinning your substrate this is done by 10 degree climate drop, and FAE/Light cycle 12/12 on/off.

Also you want atleast a 5 inch deep substrate.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717707 - 08/02/08 06:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

im totally confused now. you guys i think are talking about two seperate things.

what i really want to do is get a good yeild. and not have it be super difficult. im more a visual person

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717708 - 08/02/08 06:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Technically you dont have to case your bulk substrate you can fruit as is, but since coir colonizes fast it would be good to be ontop of your patching job, you also might want to pin earlier since coir gets colinized faster then most substrates like verm or peatmoss, when you introduce pinning the myc then utilized its energy to produce fruit and doesnt use the energy to make more myc this will slow down myc production so if you start seeing overlay or think it will overlay in a couple days it is probably a good time to start pinning. Otherwise pinning will start late and you WILL have an overlay problem later.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717722 - 08/02/08 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

let me get this right

my bulk substrate would be the coir i colonized right?

then what are you talking about putting it on top of my patching job?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717723 - 08/02/08 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can do 50/50 Verm/Coir there is a good tech on this website and that was my original plan, but i started reading more and you obviously pull more grams when you do bulk substrate thats why they call it "Bulk"

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717727 - 08/02/08 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

WELL HOW DO I DO BULK? i want i want i want

maybe i just dont understand these terms

substrate i thought was like BRF and verm

spawn - making the brf cake attach and colonize something else

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