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im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed
#8717616 - 08/02/08 06:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Okay, so i have 3 jars right now and 6 more in a week or so. I want to case.

im tired of tiny yeilds from the brf cakes, rolled in verm.

so i decided to case.

Ive been reading tek's and I DONT WANT TO USE POO.

I want alot of yeild. so i decided to go with...

those aluminum foil trays. i can fit about 3 of them in my 72q shotgun FC

So im thinking...

coir and verm in a 50/50 mix. that gets alot of yeild from what i hear.

i just dont know how i would case it. im guessing i would..

crumble the cake the sterile way in a bag. then pour the contents into the tray.

then take the mix of 50/50 and put it ontop

so lemme hear some advice

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717633 - 08/02/08 06:11 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Not to descourage you from your adventure but, honestly if you want big or bigger yeilds like your post says why dont you try spawning to a bulk substrate.

What size are your jars?

I read alot of great stuff on spawning to coir, wether you use verm mix, or any other addative myc will tear right through coir if your mixture is correct, and since you are trying to get huge yeilds i would say this would be your best bet I myself have decided to spawn to bulk substrate after reading alot of peoples experience with doing so.

If your going to case, coir is not such a good casing as a "casing" is to make a microclimate for your myc to thrive and start to produce pins on top, the coir would just act as a top layer of substrate and you would probably suffer from overlay.

A casing is supposed to contain no nutrients as this would encourage your myc to just grow all over it, if you are going to case maybe you could do 75 verm 25 coir? maybe this will slow the rate at which the top layer is consumed.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717638 - 08/02/08 06:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

bulk substrate usually involves straw or poo.

i however dont have a pressure cooker, so im looking for an alternative.

also, i would be happy to have an dried ounce off 2 cakes/casing or more lol.

i just feel my stash isnt adequate enough. i get like 4 dried grams off 2 flushes. its wack.

my jars are 1/2 pint i believe

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717644 - 08/02/08 06:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

also in addition to my post above, i like coir because it RETAINS MORE WATER THAN VERM :smile:

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717647 - 08/02/08 06:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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bulk substrate usually involves straw or poo.

i however dont have a pressure cooker, so im looking for an alternative.

Just so you know, you dont pressure cook straw/hay or poop, you put it in a pot or ice chest with 175F water and you let it sit there for a few hours...

If you were to pressure cook it, the good bacteria would be killed which helps fight mold.

Basically if you wanna do bulk with pf-cakes you do the same thing you would with PC/WBS/whatever crumple/cheese grade your cakes, then mix with the hay or poop then let it colonize. you can even colonize coir if you want

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717648 - 08/02/08 06:18 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You dont need to have poo nor straw to do bulk substrate, you dont even need a PC either to sterilze, if your going to do coir spawn you can boil water at 170 deg's and place the bricks in a bucket and let them sit for a while this is a really easy way to pasterize large amounts on substrate, obviously you drain it and let cool for atleast a couple of hours before you actually can use it but it works.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717652 - 08/02/08 06:20 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Dj coir contains nutrients and verm doesnt, this is why if you were going to spawn you would use coir, if you were going to case I'd use verm/peat moss. my 2cents :smile:

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717655 - 08/02/08 06:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ok, so ill cheeze grate my cakes.

then ill fill the aluminum tray with JUST the coir after i soak it and etc...

then the coir will be colonized too?

what would i do after the coir is good? should i turn on the light and have them start pinning>

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717663 - 08/02/08 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

coir is a bulk sub. add some gypsum and coffee grounds for the win.

you should reconsider the poop thing. a little bit added to your coir is sure to go a long way.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717674 - 08/02/08 06:25 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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ok, so ill cheeze grate my cakes.

then ill fill the aluminum tray with JUST the coir after i soak it and etc...

then the coir will be colonized too?

what would i do after the coir is good? should i turn on the light and have them start pinning>

my friend adds a layer of verm to the top (bout a quarter to a half inch) and mists it down with water. let it sit a couple more days and expose it to light and FAE. FAE is more important than light, but light is still needed.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8717681 - 08/02/08 06:27 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

If your going to spawn to coir, you would sterilize the coir, then you would just crumble up the cakes as you would if you were going to case them place it in the trays, cover it up with subtrate then cover your trays for a couple of days and allow the myc to grow on top you can also patch areas to help with an even pinset if you want to.

I saw a post where I guy took whole cakes and cut them in half, then placed then side by side 3 1/2 pint cakes in an aluminum tray and filled with coir, and his flush was awsome. This would probably be the way I am going to do it since you dont ever interupt the myc growth and it will more then likely colonize alot more even and alot quicker.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8717686 - 08/02/08 06:29 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i just cant have any smell coming from the room in growing from.

thats what scares me about poop

so here we go this is how ill do it, unless someone sways me on poo

1. cheeze grate BRF cake into EMPTY aluminum tray. make a nice even layer on the bottom.

2. put the coir on top. about an inch

3. put a 1/4'' of verm on top.

but then what do i do afterwards? do i just pin it like that?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717691 - 08/02/08 06:30 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I saw a post where I guy took whole cakes and cut them in half, then placed then side by side 3 1/2 pint cakes in an aluminum tray and filled with coir, and his flush was awsome. This would probably be the way I am going to do it since you dont ever interupt the myc growth and it will more then likely colonize alot more even and alot quicker.

do you have a link to that?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717695 - 08/02/08 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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If your going to spawn to coir, you would sterilize the coir, then you would just crumble up the cakes as you would if you were going to case them place it in the trays, cover it up with subtrate then cover your trays for a couple of days and allow the myc to grow on top you can also patch areas to help with an even pinset if you want to.

I saw a post where I guy took whole cakes and cut them in half, then placed then side by side 3 1/2 pint cakes in an aluminum tray and filled with coir, and his flush was awsome. This would probably be the way I am going to do it since you dont ever interupt the myc growth and it will more then likely colonize alot more even and alot quicker.

first of all, you need to PASTEURIZE the coir. second of all, i would recommend adding spent coffee grounds and some gypsum. about a 1/10 ratio is fine for both.

third, you need to let it sit for a week or so. what you are describing is letting a casing layer colonize. if he is SPAWNING to coir, he needs to wait until the coir is white like a cake, then case that, wait a couple days, then expose to fruiting conditions.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717696 - 08/02/08 06:32 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmm..

After setting up your substrate I'd imagine you would wait 3-10 days for it to colonize it at which time you can consider pinning your substrate this is done by 10 degree climate drop, and FAE/Light cycle 12/12 on/off.

Also you want atleast a 5 inch deep substrate.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717707 - 08/02/08 06:34 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

im totally confused now. you guys i think are talking about two seperate things.

what i really want to do is get a good yeild. and not have it be super difficult. im more a visual person

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717708 - 08/02/08 06:35 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Technically you dont have to case your bulk substrate you can fruit as is, but since coir colonizes fast it would be good to be ontop of your patching job, you also might want to pin earlier since coir gets colinized faster then most substrates like verm or peatmoss, when you introduce pinning the myc then utilized its energy to produce fruit and doesnt use the energy to make more myc this will slow down myc production so if you start seeing overlay or think it will overlay in a couple days it is probably a good time to start pinning. Otherwise pinning will start late and you WILL have an overlay problem later.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717722 - 08/02/08 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

let me get this right

my bulk substrate would be the coir i colonized right?

then what are you talking about putting it on top of my patching job?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717723 - 08/02/08 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You can do 50/50 Verm/Coir there is a good tech on this website and that was my original plan, but i started reading more and you obviously pull more grams when you do bulk substrate thats why they call it "Bulk"

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717727 - 08/02/08 06:39 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

WELL HOW DO I DO BULK? i want i want i want

maybe i just dont understand these terms

substrate i thought was like BRF and verm

spawn - making the brf cake attach and colonize something else

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717733 - 08/02/08 06:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Certain areas of your coir will colonize faster then others, so you patch those up with lets say a 50/50 mix of verm and coir to let the other parts of coir colonize, the more even your colonization is across your substrate the more EVEN pins you will have later = more fruits, = higher yeild.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717737 - 08/02/08 06:43 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Technically you dont have to case your bulk substrate you can fruit as is, but since coir colonizes fast it would be good to be ontop of your patching job, you also might want to pin earlier since coir gets colinized faster then most substrates like verm or peatmoss, when you introduce pinning the myc then utilized its energy to produce fruit and doesnt use the energy to make more myc this will slow down myc production so if you start seeing overlay or think it will overlay in a couple days it is probably a good time to start pinning. Otherwise pinning will start late and you WILL have an overlay problem later.

dude, you should quit. not trying to be a dick, but verm has no nutes, therefor, is NOT A SUBSTRATE. same with peat moss. you are confusing the shit out of this guy.

djblackout, just do what i told you and you will be fine.

check this out as well.

be wary of people with less than 100 posts

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717741 - 08/02/08 06:44 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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Certain areas of your coir will colonize faster then others, so you patch those up with lets say a 50/50 mix of verm and coir to let the other parts of coir colonize, the more even your colonization is across your substrate the more EVEN pins you will have later = more fruits, = higher yeild.

the coir should look like a giant cake when he is done and ready to case.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8717743 - 08/02/08 06:45 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeah no shit, i was getting totally confused fo sho.

so from all the info youve got from me.

gimme your suggestion

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8717750 - 08/02/08 06:46 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

I was saying if he was going to case to use peatmoss and vermiculite because a casing mix is supposed to have little if any nutrient factor.

If your going for a more bulk approach to spawn in a coir mixture.

Just because I dont have more then 100 post's doesnt mean I dont know what I am talking about, I read more then I post.

I am just trying to relay what I read you can find that everything I am saying is all from this forum just use the search function you will find more people prefer casing with Peat/Verm then they do with COIR.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717751 - 08/02/08 06:47 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

just check out that link i gave you. that's what my friend followed, and he gets about 1/4 pound from 1 flush of a tub.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8717756 - 08/02/08 06:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

so i would have to build a monotub and say goodbye to my shotgun FC?

also in that tek hes PC'ing and not steaming like i would have access to

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8717763 - 08/02/08 06:49 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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I was saying if he was going to case to use peatmoss and vermiculite because a casing mix is supposed to have little if any nutrient factor.

If your going for a more bulk approach to spawn in a coir mixture.

Just because I dont have more then 100 post's doesnt mean I dont know what I am talking about, I read more then I post.

I am just trying to relay what I read you can find that everything I am saying is all from this forum just use the search function you will find more people prefer casing with Peat/Verm then they do with COIR.

kindof. i'm not trying to be an asshole, but i don't know why you are talking about patching coir and all this. check out the monotub link i posted.
it's good you are reading, but i'm trying to let this guy know what's up from experience. sorry if i stepped on your toes.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717769 - 08/02/08 06:51 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

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so i would have to build a monotub and say goodbye to my shotgun FC?

also in that tek hes PC'ing and not steaming like i would have access to

since you are using cakes, it will be fine steamed. any type of fruiting chamber should be cool, i was just showing you what a bulk substrate looks like colonized and how it works. pasturizing does not require a PC, it just requires 170 degrees. i gotta go to a party. good luck

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717773 - 08/02/08 06:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Spawning to coir
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6004845#6004845

Now, do you have a humidity chamber? or are you doing a bucket/monotub grow? You cant just put these in your normal perlite chamber to keep humid. (i dont think but i might be wrong)

Check out ottos bucket grow
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7239760

He use 40% Straw 40% Poop 20% Coir (or something like that im not 100%) sometimes he cases sometimes he doesnt and he always gets KILLER results... Its the same idea as a monotub.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8717774 - 08/02/08 06:53 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Its cool we all have our opinions, I just read that he is trying to get huge yeilds and when I think of huge yeilds I think of bulk spawning. Wether you go with casing or bulk substrate I am pretty sure you will get alot more fruits then you would a cake, so GL which what ever road you take.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717780 - 08/02/08 06:55 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i get it now.

ill spawn my shit to the coir so it turns into a HUGE CAKE

then after that i put it into the tub, and when it attaches to whatever is in the tub

then i would put something over the top of it as a casing layer.

so could i fill a tub with coir, then dump the COIR i spawned to on top of it, then patch over the top with some of that miracle gro potting mix?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717789 - 08/02/08 07:00 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Techincally ya, but personally I wouldnt use the actual tub as the subtrate holder, i would put how ever many of those aluminum trays in there and have multiple trays inside a single tub, that is just me but yes you could line the tub with foil, fill about 5 inches worth of coir (pre sterilized), add your colonized jars, mix it up good, then add another 1 inch layer of coir to the top, once it colonizes its ready for fruiting. So yes you could easily do it that way just make sure you are real sterile use peroxide and water it helps with contams, lysol the crap out of way before you use it, and you can also test how it holds humidity and temperature before hand so you dont encounter these problems when you have the actual substrate in there.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8717797 - 08/02/08 07:04 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Alright Bro. Here it is. Once your cakes are fully colonized (white stuff all over them) let them set for a week. Then take them out of the jars(birthing them). then you soak your coir in boiling water. Read the instructions on how much water to use. Let that sit in the pot for a few hours covered, until it has cooled.

Take that coir, that is your bulk sub. Put that into a container of appropriate size. Grate your cakes and mix that into the coir. Save enough to put on top of the mix. DO NOT layer it. Mix it in good,level the mix so it is nice an smooth(DO NOT pack it down) and then spread the left over spawn on top of the mix. Put the lid on and wait until it is fully colonized. Once it is fully colonized Then and only then do you case it. Case it with 50/50+ or just straight verm. There is a calculator in my sig that will help you out with how much spawn to add to how much sub. for the size of container you are using.
At the moment you have to know how big you container is going to be, but you can play around with it and figure it out. It is not hard.

You can find all of this info by doing a search.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: robanero]
#8717805 - 08/02/08 07:07 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Thank you for clearing that up.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8718415 - 08/02/08 11:40 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i did a search but was just confused on it all. i get it now tho. except one thing...the "spawn" is just the coir that was colonized right>?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8718436 - 08/02/08 11:48 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Spawning means to make something "Be born" or to make "Alive"

your taking your colonized cake and "SPAWNING" it into a substrate to make the substrate the actual harbor of your fruits.

So in this case, the coir would be your bulk spawning substrate.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8718704 - 08/03/08 04:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

With all respect, it appears rinsdeath needs to do some more reading before he advises on growing. "Spawn" refers to a colonized nutritous medium which is used to colonize a bulk substrate.

EX: Spawn = PF Jar/grain jar/corn/wbs

Bulk Substrate = Coir/Poo/straw

Spawn is colonized in small amounts (relatively), then added to a bulk substrate for fast colonization.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: Ledd]
#8719948 - 08/03/08 01:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

ok so heres my final test to see if i got it correctly.

i will fill a tray up with some coir[of course after soaking it and etc.]

make sure its nice and even, and then dump my spawn onto it. by it, i refer to the coir, also known as my bulk substrate.

after colonization takes place, i would take that tray out, and put it into a rubbermaid tub

then i would put some more coir on top or on bottom of the COIR CAKE?...that has been soaked and all that good stuff. maybe mix it with gysum or coffee grounds

then i let that sit for a couple days, introduce it to light and enjoy my big fruits right?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8719974 - 08/03/08 01:21 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

here man
1.pasteurize your coir, coffee grounds, and gypsum together. let it cool overnight.

2. rip your colonized cakes to shreds and mix it all up in the pasteurized coir mix. perhaps save one to put all over the top as "frosting".

3. let that colonize until you have a "coir cake"

4. put a layer of verm or 50/50 mix (peat+verm) about 1/2" thick on top and let that and let it sit for 2 or 3 more days until some myc peeks through

5. patch those spots and put into fruiting conditions.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8720003 - 08/03/08 01:31 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

and by patching you mean..

putting verm/peat over the white mycelium? and letting the spots that dont have any visible mycelium to stay how it is, and dont patch it?

...and by the way, i appreciate your help with this topic. ive been wanting to go bigger, but just didnt want to mess up. so i thank you for your encouragement.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8720020 - 08/03/08 01:37 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yeah man it's all good. that is what patching is. it's optional, but it is supposed to promote a more even pinset. my friend doesn't deal with it, but he also doesn't get even pinsets. i think it's ok either way. most people's opinion is that an even pinset is better, so...

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8720031 - 08/03/08 01:42 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

i think i will patch it.

i wonder how much more ill get compared to cakes..

2x? 3x? 4x? more!? lol

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8720057 - 08/03/08 01:52 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

just be sure to keep up your FAE and humidity whenever you finally fruit. you will most likely be very pleased with your yield compared to cakes.

good luck :super:

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8720093 - 08/03/08 02:01 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

good, because how its been working out now ive had like 2-3 trips per month. and i want morrrrrrrre. i like to share :smile:

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8720135 - 08/03/08 02:16 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

You gotta mix your cheese grated pf-cakes into the coir, not just put them on top...

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: implee]
#8722617 - 08/04/08 01:24 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

when im spawning them to colonize it, right?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8722733 - 08/04/08 02:21 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

yup

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: implee]
#8722763 - 08/04/08 02:47 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

make sure you pasterurize your coir or everything will more then likely get contaminated. you can do this by boiling enough water to cover the bricks of coir in a container of your choice, water boils at 212 deg's, and for proper pasterurize temps need to be 170-180.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8725994 - 08/04/08 06:08 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

so as long as i dump the boiling water onto it and soak it, i dont need to keep the water at that temp? it just slowly cools off in the bucket and works like that, right?

would i need to make sure the coir is submerged? What could i use in a bucket to submerge it, if required?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8726308 - 08/04/08 07:14 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

my friend just boils half of the water for 5 min to sterilize it, lets it cool down to about 185, dumps it in and closes the bucket. about 1/2 hour to 40 min later when it starts to cool down, he does the other half of the water the same way and lets the bucket sit overnight.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8726723 - 08/04/08 08:36 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

does it have to be over night?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8726846 - 08/04/08 09:13 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

well, as long as it is room temp you'll be fine. my friend just does it before he goes to bed to be sure, so i guess that means 10-12 hours is cool (he's a lazy motherfucker;))

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: rev 766]
#8727468 - 08/05/08 01:14 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

so how does 3 cups of coir per 1/2 cake?

i made 2 lil ziploc containers out of them. should i put them in something else for more surface area?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8727470 - 08/05/08 01:17 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

it depends, i am doing a 1:2 ratio of spawn/coir for faster colonize speeds, the more substrate to less spawn you use the higher chance of contamination and the longer you wait for colinization.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8727494 - 08/05/08 01:38 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

well i just mixed it into a aluminum tray and covered it and poked a few holes on top. it looks like a good mix. so how long until i need to break this one up and case it?

also should i put it into a rubbermaid box with the lid cracked? RH doesnt matter when its just chillin at like 75 degrees right?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8727556 - 08/05/08 02:59 AM (3 years, 9 months ago)

if you mixed the sterilized coir with your spawn already, cover it with foil, and let it sit at room temperature until it colonizes.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: risndeath]
#8729201 - 08/05/08 12:57 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

its sterilized from pouring the boiling water on it and letting it soak right?

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: djblackout]
#8729520 - 08/05/08 02:10 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

Dont sterilize coir, pasteurize it.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: Krez]
#8729757 - 08/05/08 03:17 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

the water you pour over it should be about 180 degrees or so. that will pasteurize it. you can get a cheap probe style meat thermometer for 3 or 4 bucks.

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: Krez]
#8729875 - 08/05/08 03:38 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

thats what i did. i have some still in the bucket from last night, and plan on using it tomorrow.

not all the jars were ready yet. itll be 100% tomorrow

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Re: im going to case...prolly COIR and VERM 50/50 advice needed [Re: Krez]
#8730685 - 08/05/08 06:22 PM (3 years, 9 months ago)

This thread has been very helpful for me as well!! Thanks to all the posters who provided meaningfull info!!!!!!!!

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