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OfflineLingeringDestiny
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Psilocybin + Pregnancy?
    #8683763 - 07/26/08 11:01 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not finding much information at all on Psilocybin/pregnancy. Have they done no studies at all? Does anyone have any sound scientific evidence on things like birth defects, miscarriage, etc.?


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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: LingeringDestiny]
    #8683786 - 07/26/08 11:10 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It does not sound like a good idea.  Would you dose a newborn with a gram of mushrooms?  Of course not.
It is harmful to the baby to smoke and drink during the pregnancy.

Seriously, even physical development issues aside, can you imagine what a being in the womb might experience during a bad trip (who knows what a "dose" would even consist of?).
The poor fellow could be born seriously psychologically traumatized. 

I can only see it as a bad idea.

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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8683795 - 07/26/08 11:12 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I agree with you Al, and want to clarify I'm not talking about using them during pregnancy as much as I just found out I am expecting, and was curious as to what research has been done. :smile:


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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: LingeringDestiny]
    #8683804 - 07/26/08 11:14 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Probably wouldnt do anything to the fetus but not worth the risk.


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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: LingeringDestiny]
    #8683809 - 07/26/08 11:15 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Cool, I haven't seen anything.

I recommend you check out M.A.P.S.

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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: Mr.Al]
    #8683876 - 07/26/08 11:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not saying it's a good idea to eat mushrooms while pregnant. But I don't think that a fetus could have a bad trip. He has no ego to dissolve, he's pretty much tripping all the time anyway. There are no preconceptions or assumptions for him to make, he's already in a state of innocence. I might imagine that it would produce only beneficial effects, at least in small doses.
If the fetus starts to hallucinate, would he actually see anything tangible, or would it be abstract colors flowing, or would he tap into the collective unconscious and see jaguars and pyramids and mandelbrot eyeballs??


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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? *DELETED* [Re: ToolTroll]
    #8683896 - 07/26/08 11:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: sinzok]
    #8683900 - 07/26/08 11:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

The best rule when it comes to , 'Will this harm my baby' is yes it will.


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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: F1234K]
    #8684094 - 07/26/08 12:54 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I would agree with ToolTroll in some way. But still it would be a bad idea to try.

First of all it's unknown how your body would react.
Second of all even if baby have not much to "bad trip" on it still feels things and probably hears to, so there is still some riscs.

Also i dont remember the numbers exactly but about 90% of humans total brain mass grows untill seven or so and then it stops and we have basically what we get by then rest of the life, tripping during that time may leav that baybe tripping for life o.0

Anyway thats my guess of what might happen, on the other hand i am as far from a doctor as you can come.


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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: F1234K]
    #8684180 - 07/26/08 01:14 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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The best rule when it comes to , 'Will this harm my baby' is yes it will.




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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: F1234K]
    #8684372 - 07/26/08 02:04 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Don't do it, It will seriously harm the baby. :eek:

His neuronal network is developping (till 2 years old), any acid imbalance in his blood will impair its brain development. Neurones develops only once in life. It is not like body cells (lung, liver) which are replaced during life. As adults, we can afford to blow couples of millions using drugs because we developped billions of neurones while foetus. Give him the choice to have normal life.

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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: LingeringDestiny]
    #8684389 - 07/26/08 02:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not finding much information at all on Psilocybin/pregnancy. Have they done no studies at all? Does anyone have any sound scientific evidence on things like birth defects, miscarriage, etc.?




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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: DemonDealer]
    #8684842 - 07/26/08 04:06 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

aside from the negavtivy what about the morality?

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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: ayshuca]
    #8684863 - 07/26/08 04:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Okay guys, chill. If you read my second post, you'll see that I'm *not* planning on tripping, just wanted to know :smile:


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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: LingeringDestiny]
    #8685371 - 07/26/08 07:13 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Well I think someone should do it, but then again I dont value human life. Actually im pretty sure it would have little or no impact on the baby. Psychedelics dont effect physical development and in a fetus mind there would be practically no chance of a psychological impact. We trip every night we dream anyway.

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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: Moo456]
    #8685390 - 07/26/08 07:19 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

I'd be worried about uterine contractions, might end up with a miscarriage.

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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: xFrockx]
    #8685453 - 07/26/08 07:32 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd be worried about uterine contractions, might end up with a miscarriage.




I guess its a possibility because psilocin effects the 5-ht2a receptor which is thought to effect muscle contractions. I still wonder if there has ever been a study on it.

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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: clearsight]
    #8685558 - 07/26/08 07:54 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Neurones develops only once in life. It is not like body cells (lung, liver) which are replaced during life. As adults, we can afford to blow couples of millions using drugs because we developped billions of neurones while foetus.




False.

To the OP, this is still a bad idea for many reasons, many of which are listed in this thread.


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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: AnotherDimension]
    #8685672 - 07/26/08 08:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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    Neurones develops only once in life. It is not like body cells (lung, liver) which are replaced during life. As adults, we can afford to blow couples of millions using drugs because we developped billions of neurones while foetus.



False.




Adult neurogenesis is a recent example of a long-held scientific theory being overturned, with the phenomenon only recently being largely accepted by the scientific community. Early neuroanatomists, including Santiago Ramon y Cajal, considered the nervous system fixed and incapable of regeneration. For many years afterward, only a handful of biologists (including Joseph Altman, Shirley Bayer, and Michael Kaplan) considered adult neurogenesis a possibility. Only recently, with the characterization of neurogenesis in birds [1] and the use of confocal microscopy, has it become reasonably well-accepted that hippocampal neurogenesis does occur in mammals, including humans (Eriksson et al., 1998; Gould et al., 1999a). Some authors (particularly Elizabeth Gould) have suggested that adult neurogenesis may also occur in other areas including primate neocortex (e.g., Shankle et al. 1999, Gould et al., 1999b; Zhao et al., 2003), although others, including Rakic (2002), have questioned the scientific evidence of these findings; in the broad sense, they suggest that the new cells may be glia. A recent paper by Ponti, Peretto, and Bonfanti found evidence of neuronal neurogenesis in the cerebellum of adult rabbits.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neurogenesis

If you have no way to back up your claims other than hear-say, say that. If you want to contribute something useful, go pull a source or two.

Contractions and miscarriage are what I would worry about. It's just not a good idea to use drugs if you're pregnant.


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Re: Psilocybin + Pregnancy? [Re: HighHat]
    #8685803 - 07/26/08 09:00 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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False.




If you have no way to back up your claims other than hear-say, say that. If you want to contribute something useful, go pull a source or two.




???

You refute the claim, yet offer evidence in support of my standpoint.  The whole your-brain-cells-die-forever-and-you-only-have-a-fixed-number belief is being overturned by current research.

I am under no obligation here, and more information was not requested from me.


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