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Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits?
    #8681812 - 07/25/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Dear friends,

I have read and heard on different occassions that Ayahuasca would be superior to Mushrooms,
in terms of Healing... (both Spiritual and Physical)

What is your opinion on this ?

Edited by shivak (07/25/08 08:50 PM)

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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
    #8681869 - 07/25/08 09:02 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Never tried ayahuasca.

Mushrooms... I guess one could say that they are a great healer, only because they can wound you so severly, it's like you are forced to heal yourself...

So are the mushrooms the healer, or is it really just your own mind?

I have been taught a great deal from the fungus. Well, the fungus was just the catalyst, really...


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
    #8681905 - 07/25/08 09:11 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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shivak said:
Dear friends,

I have read and heard on different occassions that Ayahuasca would be superior to Mushrooms,
in terms of Healing... (both Spiritual and Physical)

What is your opinion on this ?




There is no known medicine that heals the spirit.


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: Rose]
    #8681948 - 07/25/08 09:22 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
There is no known medicine that heals the spirit.



yes,
interprete that just as figure of speech then :tongue:


should of used the word "mental"
instead of "spiritual"


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
    #8681982 - 07/25/08 09:28 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Hallucinogens work in different ways for different people with different mindsets in different settings.

That being said, I've found them both applicable for 'Healing', (used in meaning of that sort of vague 'Spiritual Cleansing' sort of way), as also applicable for spiritual 'Damaging'. Psychedelics are hard to quantify, and what may work as a quantification for many will still leave exception for a numerous minority.

Try them both. They're both great. :wink:


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: numonkei]
    #8682069 - 07/25/08 09:50 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

i find shrooms extremely healing, this is how i rate stuff for spiritually cleansing(by that i mean just what i say, cleaning the impure energy mass that is your outside body and inside soul and mind into the pure and beautifull vibration that nature and stars and rivers and spirits vibrate on, and sometimes beyond!)

1 tobacco - small to barely, but does clean the areas energy out good

2 weed - cleans the outside spirit and outside body pretty good, but inside(by which i mean, like, the mind, your thoughts, what in you heart)only on the first layer,...

3 mushrooms - cleans out mind body soul spirit like a beast, espeshally if you puke or shit your guts out, cuz you rid yourself of all toxins when doing so, i think this shit cleans out parts of your mind that normally you can even get to, and to look at yourself form outside yourself can be a real eye opener. This i put at the top, but i havent been blessed yet enough to exp dmt, someday,....


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: 513orangejuice]
    #8682195 - 07/25/08 10:31 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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513orangejuice said:
i find shrooms extremely healing, this is how i rate stuff for spiritually cleansing(by that i mean just what i say, cleaning the impure energy mass that is your outside body and inside soul and mind[ into the pure and beautifull vibration that nature and stars and rivers and spirits vibrate on, and sometimes beyond!)

1 tobacco - small to barely, but does clean the areas energy out good

2 weed - cleans the outside spirit and outside body pretty good, but inside(by which i mean, like, the mind, your thoughts, what in you heart)only on the first layer,...

3 mushrooms - cleans out mind body soul spirit like a beast, espeshally if you puke or shit your guts out, cuz you rid yourself of all toxins when doing so, i think this shit cleans out parts of your mind that normally you can even get to, and to look at yourself form outside yourself can be a real eye opener. This i put at the top, but i havent been blessed yet enough to exp dmt, someday,....




How do you know it cleanses the soul?

Care to show me a cleansed soul?

How 'bout a spirit?

Got a pic of a spirit?

Show me a mass of impure energy... then show me how mushrooms cleans it. A before and after pic of the energy mass would be nice.

And show me mind layers while you're at it.


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: Rose]
    #8682205 - 07/25/08 10:35 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

:rolleyes:

Be kind.

But yeah, tobacco, marijuana, and psilocybin don't begin to compromise the scale. Check the alternatives. Find the ultimate god-kaleidescope.

On the flip-side, solvents/inhalents are NOT spiritual, despite some strange comments available in the Psychedelics Forum. :confused:


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: Rose]
    #8682217 - 07/25/08 10:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Traditionally-prepared ayahuasca almost always induces extreme vomiting on the come-up.

Cervantes, I'd totally show you pics of my soul before and after my super-extreme DMT trip, but I'm a good girl who is far too modest for such wanton exhibition.


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8682246 - 07/25/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Traditionally-prepared ayahuasca almost always induces extreme vomiting on the come-up.

Cervantes, I'd totally show you pics of my soul before and after my super-extreme DMT trip, but I'm a good girl who is far too modest for such wanton exhibition.




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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #8682435 - 07/25/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Tchan909 said:
Traditionally-prepared ayahuasca almost always induces extreme vomiting on the come-up.

Cervantes, I'd totally show you pics of my soul before and after my super-extreme DMT trip, but I'm a good girl who is far too modest for such wanton exhibition.




Soul does not = tits

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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: Rose]
    #8682448 - 07/25/08 11:29 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

:rolleyes:

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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: numonkei]
    #8682508 - 07/25/08 11:45 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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numonkei said:
:rolleyes:



Don't abuse the rolleyes emoticon... or it'll haunt you in your sleep.


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: Rose]
    #8682689 - 07/26/08 12:59 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Way to keep the rationalist torch lit Cervantes.

I think setting is most important, though shrooms embed alien data into DMT while Aya is a direct line to Gaia.

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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
    #8682774 - 07/26/08 01:42 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

There is no way to responsibly answer the questions in your first post.

Set (mindset) and setting are key... no matter what you are tripping on.

Every trip is different and every substance is different.

Which substance is better for what... well, that is gonna' be your opinion.

AND, you gotta' take dosage into account too.

A big dose of any psychedelic is gonna' blow your mind.

A small dose will also entertain.

As for souls and spirits and shit... nobody knows... except for, perhaps you.

Trip safe. Trip smart.

Have fun.


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
    #8683244 - 07/26/08 06:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

It just makes you puke and shit...little different high maybe, but still similar. Is it superior spiritually? No. It's just a drug.


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
    #8683347 - 07/26/08 08:12 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

shivak said:
Dear friends,

I have read and heard on different occassions that Ayahuasca would be superior to Mushrooms,
in terms of Healing... (both Spiritual and Physical)

What is your opinion on this ?




depends


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: Icelander]
    #8683562 - 07/26/08 09:59 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

thanks for the answers,

one other question:

does ayahuasca also have the rare side effect of triggering psychosis in people who are prone to it?

like mushrooms and lsd can


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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
    #8683732 - 07/26/08 10:51 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

There are many kinds of caapi.  The yellow caapi is used specifically healing.  I think it is used sprecifically energetic healing (as in, to amplify energetic healing).

The purge does rid you of stuff that is not clean and does not belong.  Yarfing before you do energy work on anyone is great because then you're super-clean (you won't pass anything not clean to your friend) and the energy flows very nicely.

Whatever you do, do not start your ayahuasca experiences with black caapi.

Black caapi (high doses plus some terrifying admixtures) has been know to occasionally put trained shaman in the corner, with a blanket over their heads, in the fetal position.

Start with the yellow caapi (250grams, with a psychotria virdis(70 grams) , or mimosa hostilis (40 grams admixture.  Add 15 grams diploterys carabrena if you are up to it.

Cook in  mildly (lemon juice added mayhap?) acidified water 7 hours.

Cook 24 hours if no acid is used.

Follow all dietary and pharmaceutical restrictions (banisteriopsis caapi contains beta-carbolines!  MAOI are potentially dangerous when mixed with S.S.R.I.s!-deadly)
Stay away also from tyromine containing foods.

Check erowid out before brewing any ayahuasca.

I recommend fasting 24 hours and having a good location.
Bring a sitter

Edited by Mr.Al (07/26/08 10:53 AM)

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Re: Ayahuasca superior to mushrooms? Plant-spirits? [Re: shivak]
    #8684041 - 07/26/08 12:38 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

shivak said:
thanks for the answers,

one other question:

does ayahuasca also have the rare side effect of triggering psychosis in people who are prone to it?

like mushrooms and lsd can





It has never been proven (to my knowledge) that psychedelics can trigger psychosis. It is plausible that it could happen, but it is quite unlikely... even if you ARE psychotic.


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