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 Cervantes
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 Chakras? Do they exist?
#8647236 - 07/17/08 01:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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What the fuck is a Chakra?
How do you open one?
What does it look like when you have an open chakra?
How many chakras are there?
What good do they do?
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Cervantes]
#8647253 - 07/17/08 01:23 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chakras are an idea used to organize psychosomatic sensations of energy and pressure in different spots in the body.
Doesn't your chest feel heavy when you're stressed out? And etc.
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: BlindSophist]
#8647258 - 07/17/08 01:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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well i would say more then chest it depends on the stress. thats a good way to put it. its no just psychosomatic cause your body will react creating knots in your back and other stress related things. Its more then just in your head for sure. majority of the cases they need to be worked out by physical things
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: thedudenj]
#8647298 - 07/17/08 01:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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To answer your question, Cervantes, chakras don't exist; they are a concept that is sometimes useful.
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The Chronic
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: thedudenj]
#8647316 - 07/17/08 01:39 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Id recommend not bothering to learn about chakras from a book, but next time you have a strong emotion stop for a second then feel where you are in your body, then you start to learn your bodys intuition, we trust the minds thoughts alot but imo the bodys intuition "knows" alot better than what we are taught by culture.
Simply feeling being/existence/I Am in your body is a great relaxation technique, just stay aware of your own sense of being. I do it as much as possible its amazing.
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: BlindSophist]
#8647354 - 07/17/08 01:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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They Exist. They are not physical though. They are metaphysical. Check out this chart!
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: SSM_Arts]
#8647368 - 07/17/08 01:50 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah im not gona write the meta physical as psychosomatic. i think it works the other way and if you think its psychosomatic your not realizing that in your life is causing the stress that causes the chakra reaction
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"You all are just puppets... You have no heart...and cannot feel any pain...""
you may think thats pain you feel but you must have a heart to feel true pain and that pain wont be yours
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Cervantes
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: thedudenj]
#8647381 - 07/17/08 01:52 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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thedudenj said:
yeah im not gona write the meta physical as psychosomatic. i think it works the other way and if you think its psychosomatic your not realizing that in your life is causing the stress that causes the chakra reaction
Stress causes a PHYSICAL reaction... not a meta-physical reaction.
Why would focusing on imaginary things help more than focusing on the actual physical response?
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Cervantes]
#8647389 - 07/17/08 01:55 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cervantes, you knew exactly what replies you were going to get when you started this thread, didn't you? 
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: BlindSophist]
#8647407 - 07/17/08 02:00 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Whether imagenary or real...our perception of these things somehow changes them.
I've felt soreness in my lower back before. And if I just focus on the source of the pain...and feel it for what it is...it will sometime start to feel warm and less painful.
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: BlindSophist]
#8647413 - 07/17/08 02:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
Why would focusing on imaginary things help more than focusing on the actual physical response?
How can focusing on the physical response of stress do anything but make it worse? You have to focus on the stress itself to really get anywhere.
Sometimes stress is in your imagination.
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: BlindSophist]
#8647650 - 07/17/08 02:43 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said:
Cervantes, you knew exactly what replies you were going to get when you started this thread, didn't you?
If I knew what the replies would be in advance, I wouldn't have needed to start the thread.
If you think I know such things in advance, you are endowing me with powers I don't actually have.
I don't understand how meditating on invisible, intangible chakras is and better/worse than meditating about growing a longer penis or whirled peas.
I don't understand why different people say there are a different number of chakras (Are there seven or eleven?).
I am actually quite interested in the subject of chakras... yet most chakra preachers strike me as a bit loony.
I know I am not the only one.
So... I want to get to the bottom of this whole chakra thing.
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Cervantes]
#8647661 - 07/17/08 02:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
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thedudenj said:
yeah im not gona write the meta physical as psychosomatic. i think it works the other way and if you think its psychosomatic your not realizing that in your life is causing the stress that causes the chakra reaction
Stress causes a PHYSICAL reaction... not a meta-physical reaction.
Why would focusing on imaginary things help more than focusing on the actual physical response?
Dont focus on anything imaginary please dont its not worth it!
If you had a feeling in your gut or your heart would you count it as a physical response?
Like when you REALLY love someone and your heart pours out,or your gut is wrenching. That feels pretty physical to me.
If i feel it, i count it as physical, the only non-physical aspect ive found of me is my awareness. stay as awareness & youll tell yourself more about your body & energy than any book could, your body teaches you knowing experience, books teach you passed on knowledge. dont settle for less
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Cervantes]
#8647761 - 07/17/08 03:02 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
If I knew what the replies would be in advance, I wouldn't have needed to start the thread.
You do remarkably well, in the starting post, at asking the most absurd and misdirected possible questions about chakras. Being that you are a reg here with 8000+ posts, I find it hard to imagine you didn't do this on purpose. If you are honestly not trolling, I apologize for my presumption.
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I don't understand how meditating on invisible, intangible chakras is and better/worse than meditating about growing a longer penis or whirled peas.
It works for some people. I agree with you that obsessing over chakras, their colors, their gemstones, their locations, what "psychic powers" they can give, etc. is a bit much, and I stay away from it myself. But the core concept of there being epicenters of sensation in the body which can be consciously addressed is valid.
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I don't understand why different people say there are a different number of chakras (Are there seven or eleven?).
Everybody interprets their bodily signals differently.
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I am actually quite interested in the subject of chakras... yet most chakra preachers strike me as a bit loony.
I know I am not the only one.
So... I want to get to the bottom of this whole chakra thing.
I feel like the idea of chakras is valid but that it has so much cultural baggage attached to it that it is hard to "get to the bottom" of any of it for those of us who weren't raised with the idea. It's even harder to get any use out of it when most of these people tell you that staring at an amethyst will magically open you up inside. I don't try, myself. I try to just make my own sense of what my body is telling me.
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: The Chronic]
#8647762 - 07/17/08 03:03 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Chronic777 said:
Dont focus on anything imaginary please dont its not worth it!
I like my imagination... thank you very much.
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If you had a feeling in your gut or your heart would you count it as a physical response?
Like when you REALLY love someone and your heart pours out,or your gut is wrenching.
That feels pretty physical to me.
If I were stabbed in the gut, or a victim of a heart attack I would feel it.
Emotions also create a physical response (just not as intense)... although I must confess, I have never had the sensation of a pouring heart. In other words, I have poured my heart out figuratively, but my heart never actually poured.
Almost all intense emotions create a physical response in me that starts in my gut and moves up my spine.
So I would count the gut feeling (or butterflies in the stomach)... but not the pouring heart, which strikes me as a metaphor.
If you focus on any part of the body you will notice things, and feel sensation... unless you are numb. That is not my question.
My question is: If chakras don't really exist, why focus on them instead of your actual body?
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Cervantes]
#8647805 - 07/17/08 03:12 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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openning means relaxing and releasing with abiding awareness at a fixed location.
chakkras can be anything or anywhere bu are traditionally inline along the spinal column or midline of the body.
they are useful for meditative practice.
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: BlindSophist]
#8647818 - 07/17/08 03:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Tchan909 said:
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Cervantes said:
If I knew what the replies would be in advance, I wouldn't have needed to start the thread.
You do remarkably well, in the starting post, at asking the most absurd and misdirected possible questions about chakras. Being that you are a reg here with 8000+ posts, I find it hard to imagine you didn't do this on purpose. If you are honestly not trolling, I apologize for my presumption.
Trolling is grey territory. As a former Mod, I know this all too well.
Every poster who seeks a reply is technically trolling.
But I am trolling for discussion. I have told the truth about how I feel about chakras... and I am asking for others to do the same. Yes I am looking for debate. I like to debate. BUT, I'm not gonna' slide into personalisms (like you almost did) nor am I going to flame anybody. Don't assume you know why I start a thread... not by my chosen topic alone.
In this forum, it is best to start a thread with a debatable statement or question. This creates interest... and draws attention from more than just the forum regulars.
It is slow in here today, so I made a thread that would draw more hippies. New-Age/Buddhist threads certainly attract more flies than Christianity threads.
So yeah, I am a troll. But if I am a troll, what does that make you?
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Cervantes]
#8647820 - 07/17/08 03:15 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
My question is: If chakras don't really exist, why focus on them instead of your actual body?
Its the same thing to me, my body runs on energy and certain centres are for diferent forms of energy, like sex is down there, power is the solar plexus, love is the heart, desire is in my gut, vocal is the throat, insight is between my eyebrows, i actually physically feel these things and dont see any difference between feeling my body or chakras. Its just feeling your body & becoming sensitive to life.
The best chakra work you can practice is arousing sexuality then thinking of somone you love & respect but not sexually and raisnig the energy up your spine (while meditating)
Tantra.
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Re: Chakras? Do they exist? [Re: Cervantes]
#8647828 - 07/17/08 03:16 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Cervantes said:
So yeah, I am a troll. But if I am a troll, what does that make you?
Um... a troll-troll? 
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redgreenvines said:
openning means relaxing and releasing with abiding awareness at a fixed location.
chakkras can be anything or anywhere bu are traditionally inline along the spinal column or midline of the body.
they are useful for meditative practice.
Allignment of the spine seems like a good thing. Humans are the only mamals I can think of who fight the natural curvature of our own spines... and since the spine holds the electrical/nervous system which communicates with the brain... it seems logical that one would like to keep the spine as stacked as possible. It could potentially aid in mobility AND intelligence.
But how are chakras useful for medatative practice? Just by giving you ONE thing to focus on... to aid in quieting other thoughts? Why chakras?
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