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 do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? 
#8640877 - 07/16/08 02:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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let me know what you think???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640879 - 07/16/08 02:14 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i thnk ur a puppet lamer
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Coaster]
#8640884 - 07/16/08 02:16 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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why is that???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640888 - 07/16/08 02:18 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Coaster]
#8640893 - 07/16/08 02:20 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you are the puppet...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640897 - 07/16/08 02:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm look through all the other posts about this subject. go to search function.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640899 - 07/16/08 02:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think 9/11 was a blow job. ask bill clinton.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640901 - 07/16/08 02:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640909 - 07/16/08 02:25 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640910 - 07/16/08 02:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think it was an attack made by Islamic extremists, but thats just me, lol.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: FungusMan]
#8640914 - 07/16/08 02:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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watch the film and tell me that...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8640919 - 07/16/08 02:28 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
b0red5tiff said:
i think 9/11 was a blow job. ask bill clinton.
For details on the real deal contact imachavel.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640927 - 07/16/08 02:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
watch the film and tell me that...
Either you're a puppet or not familiar with the extent to which this has already been dicussed. No one's changing their minds. It's pointless. Everyone is right already.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8640932 - 07/16/08 02:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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so what are you saying you believe??? do you believe the official story???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640934 - 07/16/08 02:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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may the flying spaghetti monster save your sauce-tainted soul!
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8640938 - 07/16/08 02:34 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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why would you get on a thread if you dont want to talk about the subject???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640942 - 07/16/08 02:35 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
so what are you saying you believe??? do you believe the official story???
I'm saying I don't give a fuck. And a lot of other people here don't give a fuck. There's a lot of people who believe the various conspiracy stories, and have come to the conclusion that they're definitely right and won't hear evidence otherwise. There's a lot of people who likewise believe the official story, and are equally certain that they're correct and won't hear evidence otherwise.
Stop it. There is nothing to be accomplished here.
This has been done to death.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8640946 - 07/16/08 02:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you dont like it dont respond its as simple as that... obviously you do care or you wouldnt respond... what evidence is there that would prove that the official story was sound...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640947 - 07/16/08 02:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
why would you get on a thread if you dont want to talk about the subject???
i'm paid by top coprorations to derail this important topic. you are too close to the truth 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8640951 - 07/16/08 02:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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your a nut lol...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640962 - 07/16/08 02:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
your a nut lol...
you can't prove that.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8640968 - 07/16/08 02:47 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i might be able to... if you did work for some corporation and you are a disinformation goon than your not a person of high morals or values...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640970 - 07/16/08 02:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
why would you get on a thread if you dont want to talk about the subject???
To derail the thread. This has been discussed to death.
If you're interested in the discussion, read the thousand other threads on it.
We don't need a new one because they only ever lead to closeminded unproductive rhetoric from both sides.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8640973 - 07/16/08 02:49 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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dont you hate it when you take a fat dump, and you find out you are out of toilet paper
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640974 - 07/16/08 02:51 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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not a person of high morals or values...
i'm an agent of a secret branch of the illuminates of thanateros and my cellar is stacked from floor to ceiling with Rothschild gold bars.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: just_v]
#8640975 - 07/16/08 02:51 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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dont reply and dont look at the thread man... go check something out that you are interested in... and yes that sucks to run out of toilet paper...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: just_v]
#8640977 - 07/16/08 02:52 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not at all, those are my favorite times, I just use my hands, and when they get dirty I wipe it on the wall 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640978 - 07/16/08 02:52 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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thats nice to know lol... that gold is gonna be worth a lot when the economy crumbles...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640979 - 07/16/08 02:53 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, we are working on that.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640980 - 07/16/08 02:54 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: FungusMan]
#8640982 - 07/16/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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You missed one: 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640983 - 07/16/08 02:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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so everyone here thinks that a bunch of muslims crashed planes into two buildings in new york and knocked down three???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640986 - 07/16/08 02:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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No. We're saying you bleieve what you believe and everyone else believes what they believe. Everyone's seen this shit. They either belive it or they don't 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8640989 - 07/16/08 02:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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what do you believe can you at least say that???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8640990 - 07/16/08 02:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i especially appreciate the part that 9/11 conspiracy people talk about elaborate schemes that are made to harm them and yet they often don't know how to spell. i really enjoy that.
illiterate fucking americans 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8640994 - 07/16/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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you cant spell corporation...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8640995 - 07/16/08 03:00 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just something else for the "rebels" of society to add to their collection, right next to The Lincoln, Kennedy, and other assasinations, lunar landing, alien corpse retrieval, and other bullshit conspiracies. 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8640998 - 07/16/08 03:01 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
what do you believe can you at least say that???
You musta missed it:
Quote:
Entropymancer said:
I don't give a fuck
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8640999 - 07/16/08 03:01 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
you cant spell corporation...
*can't
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: FungusMan]
#8641012 - 07/16/08 03:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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who said anything about aliens??? you guys just go back to sleep and watch some more cnn... i cant spell cant lol your a dummy if that validates your argument... if you dont give a fuck about 3000 americans dieing than your a heartless piece of trash...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641017 - 07/16/08 03:08 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
who said anything about aliens??? you guys just go back to sleep and watch some more cnn... i cant spell cant lol your a dummy if that validates your argument... if you dont give a fuck about 3000 americans dieing than your a heartless piece of trash...
i don't get cnn over here and the rest of the world doesn't give a shit about your tower bs. i heard ppl cheered in holland when your towers blew up so there you go. 3000 dead americans is a great band name btw. too bad you don't care about the people your government has had killed for no good reason at all but yeah.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8641020 - 07/16/08 03:12 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i do care about what my county is doing around the globe and im ashamed of it... do you really think the populous of America is in the drivers seat... hating me because of my origin is pretty ignorant... and saying 3000 innocent people being murdered is a good thing is ridiculous...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641027 - 07/16/08 03:17 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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you people are sick and heartless...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641030 - 07/16/08 03:18 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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you have all been brainwashed and need to wake up...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641032 - 07/16/08 03:19 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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u first
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285] 1
#8641037 - 07/16/08 03:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Puppet, be gone!!!!!
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641041 - 07/16/08 03:22 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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im wide awake and see the direction that the world is heading in... your very apathetic and complacent and a little to optimistic... you need to take a look around you and do a little research and then you might realize that the things that you feel are important in your life arent do important...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641042 - 07/16/08 03:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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fuck them bums in the arse and call it a day, nothing big has happened since other than us pulling out the bigger butt plug on countries that may or may not deserve it. If we're going to really make a stand and trample the problem, then declare war, nuke like crazy, and get the Apocalypse over with damnit.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641045 - 07/16/08 03:24 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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im wide awake and see the direction that the world is heading in... your very apathetic and complacent and a little to optimistic... you need to take a look around you and do a little research and then you might realize that the things that you feel are important in your life arent do important...
dude what are you talking about. don't bring this shit up it has been discussed 1000 times before.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: tpihkal]
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tpihkal said:
fuck them bums in the arse and call it a day, nothing big has happened since other than us pulling out the bigger butt plug on countries that may or may not deserve it. If we're going to really make a stand and trample the problem, then declare war, nuke like crazy, and get the Apocalypse over with damnit.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: tpihkal]
#8641048 - 07/16/08 03:25 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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why not stand for liberty and equality and follow the constitution... you people are sociopaths...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: tpihkal]
#8641049 - 07/16/08 03:25 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm just saying I'm not afraid to die because I I know where I'm going, and it's time for others to start thinking as well.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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jwm285 said:
im wide awake and see the direction that the world is heading in... your very apathetic and complacent and a little to optimistic... you need to take a look around you and do a little research and then you might realize that the things that you feel are important in your life arent do important...
and what does something that happened 7 years ago have to do with the direction we are heading in now, shouldn't current events be more important than conspiracy theories about past events?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641053 - 07/16/08 03:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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do not respond if you dont like the subject move on to something you want to check out....
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: tpihkal]
#8641054 - 07/16/08 03:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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 isn't that cute though, the monkey with the sheep?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641058 - 07/16/08 03:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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that past event has spurred a globalist agenda to undermine the sovereignty of nations around the world...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641060 - 07/16/08 03:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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ban you mother "f" no 1 is abusing their rights here.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641061 - 07/16/08 03:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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do not respond if you dont like the subject move on to something you want to check out....
why are you talking to yourself nub?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641062 - 07/16/08 03:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seriously READ THE MILLION OTHER FUCKING THREADS ON THE SUBJECT!!!!
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641063 - 07/16/08 03:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes ban me for my opinion... that is mature...
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doitagain
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641065 - 07/16/08 03:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
yes ban me for my opinion... that is mature...
no ban you for being a puppet and for not letting this thread die when the subject has been discussed 1,000 times before here. you just dont get it do you?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641066 - 07/16/08 03:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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stfu nub, like you knoq more than me in general, I've probably grown way more than you and isn't that what this whole site is about?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641070 - 07/16/08 03:34 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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ill say it again do not respond if your not interested in the subject i didnt force you to check this tread out... if you dont want to here it dont open the thread and read it... you are being ridiculous grow up... go check out a thread on boot licking you will be familiar with that soon...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: tpihkal]
#8641072 - 07/16/08 03:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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n/m go to the cutivation thread all n00bs and learn before cuming back, fuck off.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641074 - 07/16/08 03:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
ill say it again do not respond if your not interested in the subject i didnt force you to check this tread out... if you dont want to here it dont open the thread and read it... you are being ridiculous grow up... go check out a thread on boot licking you will be familiar with that soon...
i will be familiar with boot licking soon? wtf?
this thread is lame.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641075 - 07/16/08 03:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
tpihkal said:
and learn before cuming back, fuck off.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641078 - 07/16/08 03:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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THIS FUCKING THREAD WAS UPLOADED JUST AN HOUR AGO! IT'S ALREADY GOT 4 FUCKING PAGES!
HOLY JESUS!
IF I HAD A BUCK FOR EVERY THREAD ON 9/11!
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: tpihkal]
#8641081 - 07/16/08 03:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by criminal elements of the US government... thats all im saying i dont know why it offend everyone here... its ridiculous that you would keep coming back and reading this thread if you dont want to listen to it...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: mathewww]
#8641082 - 07/16/08 03:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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mathewww said:
IF I HAD A BUCK FOR EVERY THREAD ON 9/11!
This one has the unique disctintion of not lowering itself to discussing the subject 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641083 - 07/16/08 03:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes Jwm is a puppet
Yes 911 was an inside job
Yes ,when you assholes cant come up w/anything better to say
you do a spell check.
Yes this thread sucks.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: tpihkal]
#8641084 - 07/16/08 03:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641086 - 07/16/08 03:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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what is it that you want me to learn??? not to have an opinion and to write threads about pointless bullshit...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641087 - 07/16/08 03:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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HA! HA! HA!
I love the Shroomery.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641088 - 07/16/08 03:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Can we use the "Report Post" feature for a topic sucking major nutsacks?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641089 - 07/16/08 03:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by criminal elements of the US government... thats all im saying i dont know why it offend everyone here... its ridiculous that you would keep coming back and reading this thread if you dont want to listen to it...
no one is offended by what you are saying, we've all heard it before and it doesn't really bear repeating.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641090 - 07/16/08 03:42 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i just wanted to know if you agreed that it was set up or if you believe that muslims knocked down 3 buidings with 2 planes...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641092 - 07/16/08 03:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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none of you have even answered the question so get off this thread and go do something else that satisfies you...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641093 - 07/16/08 03:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i'll say it again 9/11 was a blowjob.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641094 - 07/16/08 03:43 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Go to Off topic discussion I`m sure they
will be more adherent to your points
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641096 - 07/16/08 03:44 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
none of you have even answered the question so get off this thread and go do something else that satisfies you...
utfse and find out how this forum feels about the issue.
lox and bagels are so fucking tasty
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641098 - 07/16/08 03:44 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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then get off the thread... im not forcing you to open this thread...
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doitagain
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: 667]
#8641099 - 07/16/08 03:44 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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667 said:
Go to Off topic discussion I`m sure they
will be more adherent to your points
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641101 - 07/16/08 03:45 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
doitagain said:
Quote:
667 said:
Go to Off topic discussion I`m sure they
will be more adherent to your points
Very true, they're apt to give you a more fair hearing there.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641104 - 07/16/08 03:46 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
then get off the thread... im not forcing you to open this thread...
good point, it's not like you haven't said that 5 times already and i just don't give a shit.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641105 - 07/16/08 03:47 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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when the global financial collapse happens you will all be sorry for believing in and following the US foreign policy that was created after 9/11... all of you would have fit in perfectly in 1984...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641107 - 07/16/08 03:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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What I want to know is what that stuff is that comes out of
a vagina when the female species has an orgasm.
What the hell is that stuff?
Is it piss or what?
Oh yea this topic sucks
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641108 - 07/16/08 03:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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so you do enjoy this... you should thank me for giving you something to whine and moan about...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641110 - 07/16/08 03:48 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i fucking love this game 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641112 - 07/16/08 03:49 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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its a natural lubricant...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8641114 - 07/16/08 03:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
b0red5tiff said:
i fucking love this game
Not as much as I love this one 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641115 - 07/16/08 03:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
when the global financial collapse happens you will all be sorry for believing in and following the US foreign policy that was created after 9/11... all of you would have fit in perfectly in 1984...
what makes you think we support foreign policy? if you really wanna know how i feel about 9/11 watch this video i uploaded to youtube. if you support our organization you can join the compound.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641116 - 07/16/08 03:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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why dont you go and play your games then man... quit bullshiting on this thread...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641118 - 07/16/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am really fucking tired of seeing this bullshit in the Pub.
Yes, there are a million threads on the same subject. No, the user is not a puppet. The same 5 questions get asked in Mushroom Cultivation 10,000 times a year, does that justify telling someone to shut the fuck up and 4 pages of bullshit verging on flames and trolling? NO.
If you don't like the thread, don't read it. If you can't choose to participate in a respectful discussion then stay out of the thread. Making a thread with a similar theme that has been made 100 times before is not against the rules. Flaming, trolling and attempting to derail it with name-calling and other childish bullshit IS against the rules. You can agree to disagree but don't resort to condescending remarks and cheap jabs. If you dislike a thread that much, no one is forcing you to click it. If you want it to die so bad, don't respond to it and feed the fire. This isn't fucking OTD.
So quit the trolling. Right now.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641122 - 07/16/08 03:51 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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that video is pretty queer man...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641126 - 07/16/08 03:52 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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your very welcome... one day you will come to love me and thank me for giving you a reason to be an ass...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
#8641129 - 07/16/08 03:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i just want to try and get information out anyway i can and i thought i would find open minded individuals looking for intellectual conversation...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641131 - 07/16/08 03:55 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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This fucking thread would be good in the political discussion
dept.They love to jerk off to the same old shit.
Not to mention they frequently check your spelling
so you can be a smart liberal dickwad.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: 667]
#8641134 - 07/16/08 03:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread really doeasn't belong in the Pub. I think we've seen that ANY discussion of 9/11 theories here turns into a heated hate-fest. I felt that a heated nonsense-fest was a less negative alternative, and pursued that. I won't continue given Shroomism's stance on the subject.
But I really think that this sort of thread (on 9/11 conspiracies) is counterproductive in the Pub. Take it to Political Discussion if you want to discuss politics. This issue is just a incendiary bomb here.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: 667]
#8641135 - 07/16/08 03:59 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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im not a liberal at all... im more of a libertarian or a constitutionalist... i came to the pub because there was more people here...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
#8641136 - 07/16/08 03:59 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Shroomism said:
I am really fucking tired of seeing this bullshit in the Pub.
Yes, there are a million threads on the same subject. No, the user is not a puppet. The same 5 questions get asked in Mushroom Cultivation 10,000 times a year, does that justify telling someone to shut the fuck up and 4 pages of bullshit verging on flames and trolling? NO.
If you don't like the thread, don't read it. Making a thread with a similar theme that has been made 100 times before is not against the rules. Flaming, trolling and attempting to derail it with name-calling and other childish bullshit IS against the rules. You can agree to disagree but don't resort to condescending remarks and cheap jabs. If you dislike a thread that much, no one is forcing you to click it. If you want it to die so bad, don't respond to it and feed the fire. This isn't fucking OTD.
So quit the trolling. Right now.
fair enough, though you can't blame us for suspecting a puppet. so how many points do i get for this one?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641137 - 07/16/08 03:59 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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oooop wrong guy
Editing.......
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641138 - 07/16/08 03:59 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
doitagain said:
so how many points do i get for this one?
I'm a bit curious myself...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641139 - 07/16/08 04:02 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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it doesnt have to be a hate fest... why cant it be an openminded discussion???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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There are plenty of open-minded individuals on this forum.
However the 9-11 issue in particular is a tumultuous topic, as there are users firmly on both sides of the fence, both of whom are convinced they are right and neither of which will attempt to see any other perspective.
Then whenever someone comes along and posts another thread on the subject, the debunking bandwagon jumps on to attempt to burn it into the ground, which usually degrades into name-calling and other trolling and character assassination bullshit.
I'm not taking a side on it either way but if you don't have anything nice or neutral to say, or you don't even want to attempt discussion.. get the fuck out.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641143 - 07/16/08 04:04 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont really know why anyone would call me a puppet anyways... just because the topic is controversial doesnt make me a puppet... what am i a puppet for anyways???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
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No points were issued. That was just a warning to cut it out.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
#8641147 - 07/16/08 04:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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what's this thread about anyway? you coming here and telling everyone how stupid they are for not believing what you think? even if people agree with your view so what? "yeah we agree" lets move the fuck on.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641149 - 07/16/08 04:06 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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did you check out the movie i posted??? ill post another one... check it out and let me know what you think...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641151 - 07/16/08 04:07 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
i dont really know why anyone would call me a puppet anyways... just because the topic is controversial doesnt make me a puppet... what am i a puppet for anyways???
basically because all your posts are in this topic, and your first post was bringing up a contentious thread that had been discussed many times before, it seemed like you were someone who had participated in those threads bringing the subject back up.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8641153 - 07/16/08 04:07 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree for the most part. But trolling a thread through mob mentality- which is exactly what the first 3 pages of this thread are.. is completely unnecessary. So let's move the fuck on.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
#8641157 - 07/16/08 04:09 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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k this dude posts his videos and whatever - so what? is this presented as evidence for something? those things are made by people like him in attempt to GET evidence, those videos are opinions and insinuations at best.
the OP has a low self-esteem and a tendency for attention whoring imo.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641158 - 07/16/08 04:11 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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actually i just registered for this site and i was bored... this is what im into and i care about the world and whats going on and i think that the topic is very relevant to everyone whether you agree or disagree... i never called anyone anything for no reason it was totally defensive... you all made a mockery of my topic for no reason other than you have seen it before and dont like it... thats not my fault...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641160 - 07/16/08 04:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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actually i just registered for this site and i was bored... this is what im into and i care about the world and whats going on and i think that the topic is very relevant to everyone whether you agree or disagree... i never called anyone anything for no reason it was totally defensive... you all made a mockery of my topic for no reason other than you have seen it before and dont like it... thats not my fault...
i don't think you "know whats going on", my opinion is that you have your eyes glued to fuck shut. go get your persecution complex on somewhere else? you don't have to click this thread too, you know.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8641161 - 07/16/08 04:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread will self destruct in T- minus 10
Shroomism last post amended
fucking ooops.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641162 - 07/16/08 04:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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you wont even watch the video so how do you know what the contain... its not all opinion its pretty much all common sense and fact...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8641163 - 07/16/08 04:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't really care. People post shit all the time I don't agree with or something I think is complete and utter bullshit. I tend to just not look at their threads, or just not respond to them. If I did I'd just end up getting myself get worked up over nothing... most people are set in their ways, no one is going to change anyone elses mind and it's a futile waste of effort to even try 99% of the time. He's not doing any harm or breaking any rules, so just leave it be.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641164 - 07/16/08 04:14 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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watch the buildings fall and tell me its not a demolition...
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641168 - 07/16/08 04:15 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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buildings dont just fall down...
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641169 - 07/16/08 04:16 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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this is my thread...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641173 - 07/16/08 04:18 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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this i everyone's thread man. don't be such a fundamentalist.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641174 - 07/16/08 04:19 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont think you know what is going on... your the one with your eyes glued shut... what do i get out of being right nothing but ridicule lol... your brainwashed to think that the world is perfect and people are insignificant and it is how it is and there is nothing anyone can do about it...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641175 - 07/16/08 04:19 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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well get on topic then...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641178 - 07/16/08 04:20 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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check out that last clip i put up its like 30 secs...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641179 - 07/16/08 04:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont think you know what is going on... your the one with your eyes glued shut... what do i get out of being right nothing but ridicule lol... your brainwashed to think that the world is perfect and people are insignificant and it is how it is and there is nothing anyone can do about it...
*you're
it's nice to know you know what i think and feel about the world automatically.
all this is for your own glory and ego, this whole thread is about you getting to try feel better than others so get over it.
unplug your matrix pod.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641182 - 07/16/08 04:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those videos have been posted a hundred times..
The people who will agree with you already pretty much agree.
The people who don't agree are gonna come in here and argue to the death it wasn't a controlled demolition.. linking to such sites as http://www.debunking911.com/
Or they will just say everything has already been debunked.. and its pointless to argue... just check one of the other billion threads.
Everyone is convinced they are right and the other person is wrong.
Basically it wont really go anywhere.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641183 - 07/16/08 04:21 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
i dont think you know what is going on... your the one with your eyes glued shut... what do i get out of being right nothing but ridicule lol... your brainwashed to think that the world is perfect and people are insignificant and it is how it is and there is nothing anyone can do about it...
what makes you think he thinks the world is perfect?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
#8641186 - 07/16/08 04:22 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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id rather have my own thread... i want to know what people think right here right now...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
#8641188 - 07/16/08 04:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said:
Those videos have been posted a hundred times..
The people who will agree with you already pretty much agree.
The people who don't agree are gonna come in here and argue to the death it wasn't a controlled demolition.. linking to such sites as http://www.debunking911.com/
Or they will just say everything has already been debunked.. and its pointless to argue... just check one of the other billion threads.
Basically it wont really go anywhere.
So if even you agree with this, doesn't it make sense to instate a policy of deferring 9/11 conspiracy threads to Political Discussion, where they like such debates? You know what this turns into here in the Pub.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641192 - 07/16/08 04:24 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont know maybe because he doesnt think that the topic is important...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641193 - 07/16/08 04:24 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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id rather have my own thread... i want to know what people think right here right now...
trust me, their minds haven't changed. and why is it so important what people on here think since you are obviously right and we are all just dumb sheep.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641194 - 07/16/08 04:25 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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why cant we all just get along???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641196 - 07/16/08 04:25 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
i dont know maybe because he doesnt think that the topic is important...
please learn to use the reply-to feature so we know who you are responding too.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641197 - 07/16/08 04:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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because you have no friends.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641198 - 07/16/08 04:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i dont even know what you think about the topic you havent said anything about what i asked in the first place... all you can do is attack me for no reason other than my topic...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641199 - 07/16/08 04:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
why cant we all just get along???
i wish we could, but that just doesn't happen with this topic here.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641201 - 07/16/08 04:28 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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FACT: you attacked everyone who don't agree with your speculations.
FACT: you think you know how everyone who doesn't agree with you feel or think.
FACT: your world view is divided into white & black.
FACT: you present opinion as proof.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641202 - 07/16/08 04:28 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i have lots of friends... this isnt really about making friends its about doing what i believe in... if you dont agree tell me but dont attack me or get off subject... if you dont want to be open and maybe watch a film or two dont respond and move on to something that you enjoy...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641203 - 07/16/08 04:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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how is it opinion watch the film and make a discussion for yourself dont watch the new for your information...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641204 - 07/16/08 04:29 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
i have lots of friends... this isnt really about making friends its about doing what i believe in... if you dont agree tell me but dont attack me or get off subject... if you dont want to be open and maybe watch a film or two dont respond and move on to something that you enjoy...
see you attack people for not being open-minded but how open-minded are you? you attack people for not agreeing with you and present your opinion as fact
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8641205 - 07/16/08 04:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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this is not religion and a matter of belief - its what you can or can't prove.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641206 - 07/16/08 04:30 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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no one agreed or disagreed at all just said i was an idiot for starting a thread...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641208 - 07/16/08 04:31 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
how is it opinion watch the film and make a discussion for yourself dont watch the new for your information...
Ignorant presumptious bollocks.
Shroomism, are you positive this isn't a troll posting via proxy????
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641212 - 07/16/08 04:32 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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i never attacked you for not agreeing with me i defended myself because you came in here like a child and belittled me...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641214 - 07/16/08 04:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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because i said dont watch the news for your information...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641215 - 07/16/08 04:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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the fact that you hit the refresh button once a second and quick reply faster than robot scares me.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641216 - 07/16/08 04:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Plus I never have any idea who he's replying to since he always replies to himself!!
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641219 - 07/16/08 04:34 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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answer this question... how did 2 planes knock 3 buildings down???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8641220 - 07/16/08 04:34 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
b0red5tiff said:
the fact that you hit the refresh button once a second and quick reply faster than robot scares me.
It;s not a troll at all.... it's a 9/11-BOT!!!! 
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641221 - 07/16/08 04:35 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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why did the bbc report that world trade center building 7 fell 45 minutes before it did???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641222 - 07/16/08 04:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Entropymancer said:
Quote:
b0red5tiff said:
the fact that you hit the refresh button once a second and quick reply faster than robot scares me.
It;s not a troll at all.... it's a 9/11-BOT!!!!
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641224 - 07/16/08 04:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes i am a robot lol...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641227 - 07/16/08 04:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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what is i am right would you car then???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641234 - 07/16/08 04:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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what is i am right would you car then???
wtf
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8641236 - 07/16/08 04:42 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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what if i am right would you care then???
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641245 - 07/16/08 04:50 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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right about what? all you do is rant.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641251 - 07/16/08 04:53 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
what if i am right would you care then???
see this implies that you have ideas of your own. what you should say is what if the conspiracy theory i have latched onto turns out to be right.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641255 - 07/16/08 04:56 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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ok what if it does turn out to be right??? by the end of the year you will know that it is an inside job there is about to be another one and we are going to go to war with iran and then gas is going to shoot up to 10 dollars a gallon and when that happens there will be rights in the streets...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641257 - 07/16/08 04:58 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
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when that happens there will be rights in the streets...
wtf 2
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Bridgeburner]
#8641259 - 07/16/08 04:59 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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riots lol quit picking one word out of what i right man quit being petty...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641262 - 07/16/08 05:00 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
jwm285 said:
ok what if it does turn out to be right??? by the end of the year you will know that it is an inside job there is about to be another one and we are going to go to war with iran and then gas is going to shoot up to 10 dollars a gallon and when that happens there will be rights in the streets...
yeah okay
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641263 - 07/16/08 05:01 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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jwm285 said:
riots lol quit picking one word out of what i right man quit being petty...
http://www.hop.com/
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641264 - 07/16/08 05:01 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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dont believe me hide and watch...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641266 - 07/16/08 05:02 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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id stock up on food and guns if i were you...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641268 - 07/16/08 05:03 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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why do you have a tool avatar??? they believe in what im talking about...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641270 - 07/16/08 05:04 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
#8641272 - 07/16/08 05:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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hahahahaha you are very funny man...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641278 - 07/16/08 05:09 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're quite a comedian yourself.
You've provided some rich laughs, for us all, I'm sure.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: mathewww]
#8641279 - 07/16/08 05:10 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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you would actually like me a lot if you ever met me... ive never met a person that didnt like me in my life... the only place that i find people that dont like me is online lol...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641281 - 07/16/08 05:13 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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so what are you saying you believe??? do you believe the official story???
I'm saying I don't give a fuck. And a lot of other people here don't give a fuck. There's a lot of people who believe the various conspiracy stories, and have come to the conclusion that they're definitely right and won't hear evidence otherwise. There's a lot of people who likewise believe the official story, and are equally certain that they're correct and won't hear evidence otherwise.
Stop it. There is nothing to be accomplished here.
This has been done to death.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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No, you seem cool.
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...when that happens there will be rights in the streets...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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why do you have a tool avatar??? they believe in what im talking about...
STFU about tool, you arent worthy...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: mathewww]
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im ok... i just dont understand why people like to joke about things that arent really all that funny... i dont find 3000 people dieing or globalization to be very funny at all...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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i like tool and a perfect circle... they know what is going on and you should too...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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i sure got a lot of replies for such a shitty topic lol...
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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definitely.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
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If you are worried about the non coverage by our media,and worthless deaths, then make a thread covering a topic not discussed much, like, hell I dont know, the civil war thats been tearing Russia apart for decades
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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i like tool and a perfect circle... they know what is going on and you should too...
what do they have to do with 9/11? you act like you are somehow "in the know" and yet all you do is reference a well established conspiracy theory and portray it as absolute fact. idiot.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
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why do you have a tool avatar??? they believe in what im talking about...
you aren't talking about anything you're just rambling nonsensically. You are an arrogant fucking prick.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
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Why is it so hard for people to debate something without getting emotionally involved? I tried to read through the whole thread to catch myself up, and I cant even do it. 90% of what I read had nothing to do with anyones opinion of the topic, it was just one outright personal attack after another.
Does anyone actually feel like discussing anything? I'm interested in the topic, but I dont really have any opinion ofe way or another. I can certainly see some apparent inconsistency's within the official report, but I havent seen any evidence that would lend itself toward any of the various "conspiracy theory's". Most of the so called evidence seems exaggerated at best, but maybe I'm missing something.
If I'm just repeating what some else has already said, just let me know, I'm not about to read through this entire thread though.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: doitagain]
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Anyone else need a break from the Pub?
I said no flaming.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: FungusMan]
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Yes that does worry me, but i was referring to jwm285s original post.
I tend to lean towards the belief that 9/11 was some sort of sigil.
The whole event is rich in symbolism.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: blewmeanie]
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You want my opinion?
9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by our own government. The attacks were planned years in advance as part of an ongoing scheme. The buildings collapsed due to controlled demolition.. not from planes hitting them. Buildings such as the world trade towers do not just collapse inwards slightly slower then free-fall speed in a pancaking manner exactly as in a professional controlled demolition. If fires alone took the buildings down (which is practically impossible), it would have fallen at an angle.. fires do not burn perfectly evenly enough to melt central support columns, and certainly not enough to cause world trade towers to just collapse into dust. But that is only the tip of it. I am not a physicist nor an engineer but I have heard enough explanations from those who ARE to justify a VERY reasonable suspicion. Not to even mention all the first-hand witnesses reports of seeing and hearing explosions, on even the lower floors. People on the lobby of the building were dead and mangled and on fire not 4 minutes after the plane hit the 80th floor.. first-response rescue workers and firefighters all report it looked as if bombs had gone off and many explosions were heard after the fact. If "terrorists" were responsible, then no trials have been held and no one has been held accountable. No in-depth analysis has taken place and over 90% of the steel and rubble was quickly taken away to be recycled before it could ever be analyzed. There was no investigation for evidence of thermite. Not to even mention Building 7 which just collapsed for no apparent reason.
There was a massive orchestrated campaign to cover-up the events and obscure the evidence, including a massive propaganda machine that fed lie after lie to the public and debase the non-believers and those who wanted to find out the truth. Which continues to this day.
And to anyone who says get over it, it was 7 years ago. You don't just "get over" unsolved mass murder. Especially if there's even a shadow of a doubt that it was committed by one's own government. No satisfactory investigation has ever taken place and those who are responsible have thus far gotten away with it scott-free. And they got a War out of it as well. The truth will come out eventually. It has to.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
#8641420 - 07/16/08 06:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lisa called it.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
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You want my opinion?
9/11 was an inside job orchestrated by our own government. The attacks were planned years in advance as part of an ongoing scheme. The buildings collapsed due to controlled demolition.. not from planes hitting them. Buildings such as the world trade towers do not just collapse inwards slightly slower then free-fall speed in a pancaking manner exactly as in a professional controlled demolition. If fires alone took the buildings down (which is practically impossible), it would have fallen at an angle.. fires do not burn perfectly evenly enough to melt central support columns, and certainly not enough to cause world trade towers to just collapse into dust. But that is only the tip of it. I am not a physicist nor an engineer but I have heard enough explanations from those who ARE to justify a VERY reasonable suspicion. Not to even mention all the first-hand witnesses reports of seeing and hearing explosions, on even the lower floors. People on the lobby of the building were dead and mangled and on fire not 4 minutes after the plane hit the 80th floor.. first-response rescue workers and firefighters all report it looked as if bombs had gone off and many explosions were heard after the fact. If "terrorists" were responsible, then no trials have been held and no one has been held accountable. No in-depth analysis has taken place and over 90% of the steel and rubble was quickly taken away to be recycled before it could ever be analyzed. There was no investigation for evidence of thermite. Not to even mention Building 7 which just collapsed for no apparent reason.
There was a massive orchestrated campaign to cover-up the events and obscure the evidence, including a massive propaganda machine that fed lie after lie to the public and debase the non-believers and those who wanted to find out the truth. Which continues to this day.
And to anyone who says get over it, it was 7 years ago. You don't just "get over" unsolved mass murder. Especially if there's even a shadow of a doubt that it was committed by one's own government. No satisfactory investigation has ever taken place and those who are responsible have thus far gotten away with it scott-free. And they got a War out of it as well. The truth will come out eventually. It has to.
Assuming that all of that is true, what points towards our government as the culprit? And who within our government does it point to?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
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I'd go as far as to say that the towers where actually built with the intention of destruction.
It was obviously to my mind an esoteric symbolic ritual to effect the psyche of the world and to further carry the nwo agenda ever closer to completion.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
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I'd go as far as to say that the towers where actually built with the intention of destruction.
It was obviously to my mind an esoteric symbolic ritual to effect the psyche of the world and to further carry the nwo agenda ever closer to completion.
What leads you to believe that?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: blewmeanie]
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Assuming that all of that is true, what points towards our government as the culprit? And who within our government does it point to?
That's a bit harder to answer, since many stood to benefit. When a crime is committed, you must look at who benefits from it.. who gained the most. That's how a lot of crimes get solved. It's a lot harder to see when the crime is very well organized and well planned by very cunning planners. To be certain, Halliburton definitely benefited from 9/11, but there is much more to it. There is certainly evidence of very odd insider stock trading the days before 9/11. Who benefits the most? Israel. The Aramament Industry (Halliburton). The Oil Industry. Unknown Insider Traders. Insurance Beneficiaries. George W. Bush (even though he is merely a stupid puppet..), among others.
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On the 23rd July, 2001, just seven weeks previous to the World Trade Center demolitions, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey signed a deal with a consortium (Larry Silverstein, Westfield America Inc and Lloyd Goldman) led by Larry Silverstein for a 99 year lease of the World Trade Center complex.
A new insurance policy - including terrorism for the first time - was issued for $3.6 billion.
Larry Silverstein even tried to claim $7.2 billion from the insurance because "The two hijacked airliners that struck the 110-story twin towers Sept. 11 were separate 'occurrences' for insurance purposes"
Barry Ostrager, a lawyer for Swiss Reinsurance Co., the trade center's lead insurer, agreed with the Travelers attorney that the destruction of the trade center towers was a single event. He called causation of the towers' collapse "a factually complex issue."
The WTC was not only a big money-loser, it was also built using asbestos for fire-protection (!) which was banned in the mid-1980's because it's causing cancer. Removal of the asbestos would have cost a fortune. More in the WTC video here.
Our country is no stranger to false-flag operations, and fake terrorist attacks to give fuel to go to war. In fact, a fake attack on US ships is what led us to go to war with Vietnam - the Tonkin Incident. Only very recently did this come out... 30 something years after the fact, but it was only quietly brought up and certainly didn't get any media coverage..
It can be very complex when you get down into it, as those who benefit form a large global web. But I believe this gives a good overall piece of the puzzle.. a long read.
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Having people believe that a major undertaking like 911 was done by some blind senseless Arabs, who want to exercise rage against America, is a ploy to keep eyes away from looking at the true beneficiaries of the event and therefore finding the real culprits. It is amazing to observe how Americans could watch numerous movies about criminal frame-ups but the possibility never enters their mind that one could really happen in real life especially when the stakes are high. They seem to be oblivious to the fact that maybe the clever culprits who were able to pull off something as sophisticated as 911 were able to escape blame and at the same time walk away with tons of benefits that would otherwise make a thinking mind suspicious. Then at the same time leave Qurans, Arabic flight instruction manuals, etc in cars, fake videos, absolutely indestructible passport, and other planted evidence to make the ones who gain no benefit take the blame for something that brought the clever culprit unimaginable gains.
Besides who gains the most, we also need to look at who has the means to commit the crime and also the resources to cover their guilt.
It has already been pointed out that for committing the crime of attacking the US on 911, the country that best fulfills a good detective description for motive, gains and having resources to cover their actions is Israel. Along with having motive and resources to commit 911, Zionists have a long history of committing acts against the US, other countries, other Jews and allies and having someone else blamed for them. What is more interesting is that they have been caught many times playing the part of the clever criminal seeking to gain benefits and have someone else blamed for their crimes. The Jewish pogroms in Europe, the deliberate terrorism committed by Jews in Arab countries and throughout the world to force Jews to flee to Israel, the Zionists complicity with the Nazis for murdering innocent Jews for ulterior goals as seen in the "holocaust", the Lavon Affair, the USS Liberty Attack, the German discotheque bombing blamed on Qadhafi and even the attempted Mexican Congress bombing, where Israelis were caught red handed with explosives and Pakistani passports on their persons, and many other examples show a definite pattern for Israel. A good chronology of these events and others with supporting evidence can be found at this link:
A Historical Look At Israeli False Flag Operations
Now that a few years have gone by since the attacks on September 11, 2001 happened, let's look at some of the outcomes of this event to see who really benefited. As I said before a cunning planner will execute a crime that will bring huge benefits where some may be realized immediately and others in years to come. Since the "war on terrorism" is a direct result of the 911 attacks, let's look at some of the stated and unstated goals that this war was designed to accomplish. Maybe then the true criminal will surface and credible motives other than manufactured madman motives like "they hate our freedoms" will materialize:
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Goal (1) Afghanistan: Gain control of $6 trillion worth of oil and natural gas in central Asia. This oil is associated with the Caspian Sea and the countries surrounding it where pipelines were to be laid.
Before August, 2001 the US saw the Taliban regime "as a source of stability that would enable the construction of an oil pipeline across Central Asia," from the rich oilfields in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean. In fact the Taliban visited Bush in Texas early in 2001. They were Bush's friends. But that friendship changed during the last visit by the Bush administration where the Taliban turned down the Neocons offer to build a cheap and desirable oil pipeline through Afghanistan. As a result, the Bush administration gave the Taliban an ultimatum to 'either accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs'. 9-11 happened and curiously the first country invaded was Afghanistan, even though they had nothing to do with 9-11. We were told it was the evil Taliban that must be gotten for refusing to turn over Bin Laden. The US then proceeded to bury them under a carpet of bombs. Ah, but that carpet of bombs was easily justified to the American public by a constant and thorough media demonization of the Taliban while the little deal involving the oil pipeline through Afghanistan was never mentioned.
Goal (2) Israel: Win back support for the increasingly unpopular policies of Sharon in Israel and provide a basis for a mass invasion of occupied Palestine. By causing Americans to feel the "pain" of terrorism they could more easily identify with Israel and willingly support Israelis actions against Palestinian "terrorists."
As a result of the "terrorism" experienced by Americans, laws were enacted to make Israel's enemies America's enemies. Hezbollah, Hamas, and other Palestinian freedom fighters were demonized as terrorists and enemies of America and the world. Although they had nothing to do with 911, their funding was frozen. Anyone having any association with them was and is treated as a criminal in any part of the world and arrested. Legitimate Islamic charities helping the victims of Zionist aggression were shutdown and many innocent Muslims were given lengthy jail sentences for donating monies to these charities. As a result of Israeli aggression, any Muslim who dared to fight back was immediately labeled a terrorist. The Muslim could not be angry or desire justice even after seeing his innocent babies murdered in front of him in cold blood. Those rights were not afforded to him.
Goal (3): Allow certain people to profit from the opium trade of the Northern Alliance drug lords and the money-laundering through global investment channels that the opium trade and the derivative heroin trade supports.
If you noticed that during the rule of the Taliban the opium trade nearly disappeared. As soon as the Northern Alliance was put back into power the trade picked up again.
Goal(4): Use the events of 911 as a catalyst to execute the Neocon's Project For A New American Century (PNAC)plan whose National Security Strategy - developed in 1997 by the same Neocons in leadership of our government today and promulgated as late as September 2002 - includes attacking possible future competitors first, assuming regional hegemony by force of arms in the Middle East, controlling energy resources around the globe, maintaining a permanent war strategy, ignoring treaties and world opinions that the US don't like, and establishing military bases in foreign countries.
The theme of "unending wars" with Iraq as the first casualty of those wars was part of the Neocon's PNAC plan back in 1997 long before 911 happened.
Dov Zakheim, a Zionist Jew and former comptroller for the Defense Department, called for a "catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor" being necessary to foster the frame of mind needed for the American public to support a war in the Middle East that would politically and culturally reshape the region. He, as a member of PNAC, did this one year before the attacks on 911 occurred. The Iraq war and other wars were to be "pre-emptive wars" i.e., whenever the U.S. thinks a country may be amassing too much power and/or could provide some sort of competition in the "benevolent hegemony" region, it would be attacked, without provocation. You can read more about PNAC at the following link:
http://www.ecapc.org/pnac.asp
Goal (5): Start a war between Christianity and Islam by blaming the religion of Islam for the 911 incident and terrorist acts throughout the world.
911 has opened the way for the enemies of Islam to attack the religion in the most vicious way. It is open season on Islam and Muslims. Not a day goes by without an article, news report or an opinion expressed by Islamophobes, whose sole purpose is to twist, distort and demonize Islam in order to create hatred in the hearts of non-Muslims for Muslims and Islam. Demonize and destroy is their intent for Muslims and Islam.
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Analysis:
With the placement of the puppet government in Afghanistan and ex-Unocal Adviser Hamid Karzi as head, with U.S. troops firmly in place in Central Asian countries like Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Republic of Georgia and others, with the American people giving Bush the green light for a "war on terrorism", I would say that goal number 1 is accomplished and is successfully being exploited. Bush's "oil patch" people like Condoleeza Rice, Cheney, and Khalilzad have successfully went after the multi-trillion dollar deal. Pipelines are being laid throughout Afghanistan as conduits for Caspian Sea Oil as originally demanded by the Bush administration from the Taliban. What remains of the Taliban or any Afghan opposition to using Afghanistan as a conduit for oil from the Caspian Sea is no challenge to the might of America's military. So on a whole, goal 1 is proceeding with success.
Goal 3 is also successful. Opium production has significantly increased as a result of eliminating the Taliban. Recently it has been reported that Afghanistan has recaptured the title as the world's number one Opium producer. Goal 2 although accomplished did not achieve the results expected.
Yes...under the pretense of fighting terrorism, the Israelis were able to conduct mass invasions into Palestinian villages like Jenin in 2002 and others in later years. This was their payment for the role they played in helping to ignite the 911 attacks that triggered and gave the justification for all of the goals listed above. Let's not forget also the role Zionists played in controlling the media to keep the finger pointed at Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda and not allow any intelligent scrutiny to challenge the version of events they presented. The fallout the Israelis are receiving may be more than what was expected by them. They felt that the 911 attacks would so enrage Americans and the world that everyone will be in an uproar and would support whatever heinous actions the Israelis would do against the Palestinians. Except for the Christian Zionists and ignorant, uninformed Americans the world has joined in unison to condemn them. In the court of world opinion the Israelis are no better off today than they were before the 911 attacks when the condemnation was made in Durban, South Africa of Zionism being racism. So yes they got their invasions into the Palestinian territories but they are still seen as being ugly to the rest of the world. More and more Christian churches, like the Presbyterian Church are calling for divesting funds to stem the support of Israel. Despite the attempt by the media to paint Israel as "Lilly white without spot or blemish", a recent poll taken in Europe shows that about 60% of Europeans view Israel as the most dangerous country on earth to world peace.
Even though goal 2 of gaining popular support for Israel in its fight against Palestinian "terrorists" did not bear fruit as expected, Israelis have been quite successful in causing America and other countries to make Israel's enemies their enemies. As a result of 911, Israel has the most powerful country in the world going after their enemies under the pretext of fighting terrorism. Iraq has fallen and according to goal number 4, catalyst for the implementation of PNAC, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia and other ME countries are next. To execute goal number 4 in support of Israel, the 911 attacks was needed. In one of PNAC'smajor reports, written in 2000, they noted that "the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event -- like a new Pearl Harbor." 911 was that Pearl Harbor event for them.
The goal is to make the world safe for Israel and expand Israeli hegemony to be the dominant power in the Middle East. Americans have become the willing puppets to accomplish this. Today Hamas, Hezbollah and other legitimate resistance movements have had their funds frozen and are outlawed as criminals by the U.S. Any opposition to Israel is seen as terrorism and since our great nation knows first hand what terrorism is really all about from the 911 attacks, all forms of terror must be wiped out.
Iraq had to be destroyed because it was considered to be a "terrorist" threat to Israel as a result of the progressiveness of the Iraqi people and because Iraq had given millions of dollars to families of dead Palestinians. Saddam, the cruel and heartless dictator that America installed in Iraq, had to go in favor of "democratizing" Iraq. Ah, but this "democratizing" of Iraq had to include an oil pipeline to Haifa in Israel and the opening of the Iraqi economy to full Israeli exploitation. To justify attacking Iraq they fed the American masses WMD stories and phony Iraqi ties to 911. Americans were fed lies and stories but the Israelis knew what was really going on as expressed by this retired Israeli general:
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"A war with Iraq serves Israel's strategic interests
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near Tel Aviv. "Someone says 'You sit back, we'll take
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Now really, what's better than having another nation "fight and die for your strategic interests" while rubbing salt in their wounds by publicly telling them that? Goal number 2 of making Israel's enemies America and the world's enemies, along with goal number 4 PNAC, a plan devised by Jewish Zionists in the American government are two goals that work hand in hand.
Goal number 5 is actively being pursued. Christian Zionists and members in government have openly declared Islam as the enemy. They have started a huge smear campaign in print and in media to discredit the Qur'an, Prophet Muhammad and all Muslims. The irony of it all is that true Muslims are being murdered, raped, persecuted and treated like animals with no rights for something that supposedly fake Muslims did. If you followed how the media described the supposed 19 "Muslims" who hijacked the planes, you will see that their behavior was very far from what is known to be Muslim behavior. Here is a brief description of them from two sources:
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"In that they nominally appear to be Arab fanatics. But one of the points that she (ex-wife of one of the hijackers) stressed is they are really not Muslims. They are more interested in Playboy than in the Koran. I mean these people drink. They are very secular. They are not the fanatical Muslim zealots that the Bush criminals would lead us to believe is what's operating here
http://billstclair.com/911timeline/2003/alexjonesshow031103.html
* 1. In Venice Florida, Mohamed Atta lived for two months with an American stripper/lingerie model named Amanda Keller.
* 2. Atta loved to party. He was out with Keller nearly every night they were together. He was a heavy drinker, snorted coke, was a stylish dresser and wore expensive jewelry.
* 3. According to Keller, Atta loved pork chops.
* 4. Keller dumped him after he embarrassed her at a night club by dancing, poorly, atop a speaker ("doing that old 'Roxbury head bob' thing, you know"?)
* 5. Atta revenged himself later on Keller by returning to the apartment they'd shared and killing her cat and kittens, disemboweling and dismembering them in her apartment for her to find.
* 6. In Miami, Atta consorted with women known to be linked to the Mafia.
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We are to believe that the so-called "Muslims" as described above especially their leader, Muhammad Atta, were so religious that they left Qur'ans behind in a rental car and committed suicide for the cause of Islam? The above are descriptions of the "religious fanatics" that pulled off 911, therefore it necessitates that all Islamic religious fanatics, especially the ones trained in Madrassas in Pakistan are terrorists like them. Anyone having the remotest contact with Muslims knows that the description above about the supposed 911 hijackers is against Muslim behavior. Islam condemns and prohibits that kind of behavior in the strongest terms. These men were not Muslims. They were posing as Muslims for people who don't know anything about Islam to say they were. Even one of the hijackers wife admitted above that they were not Muslims. [re]Now if these men by their actions and behavior disobeyed Islamic teachings and behaved as immoral secular drug addicts, why is the religion of Islam being blamed for their crimes? Why are truly religious Muslims being killed, persecuted and denied basic rights for the actions of people disobeying their religion? My opinion is that these men were Israeli Mossad agents masquerading as Muslims and were part of the 200 plus Israeli art students found spying in the US in 2001. They did enough so that others would identify them as Muslims but as you can see by their actions they indeed were not Muslims.
Worst than holding the religion of Islam and all Muslims responsible for the actions of supposed Muslims who disobeyed Islam, is the totally false claim that Islam endorses killing innocents and suicide. Islam strongly condemns the killing of innocents. The Prophet Muhammad (saaw) forbade Muslims to kill non-combatants during times of war. The Qur'an equates the taking of one innocent life as equivalent to the slaying of a whole people. Human life is sacred in Islam and it is a gift from G-d that only He has the authority to take.
The prohibition in Islam against suicide is very strong. But to read and listen to this world's media broadcast about Islam, we would never know that. We are led to believe that a religion, whose holy book, the Qur'an, commands the following regarding suicide, is the fertile ground for the most suicides in the world:
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The references above in chapter 4 and other places in the Qur'an, commands Muslims to not kill themselves and warns of severe punishments. Suicide is strictly forbidden along with the killing of innocents in Islam.
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If suicide was permitted in Islam there would be many examples of the Prophet (saaw) encouraging it and Muslim history would have been replenished with suicide as a technique in war. But there is no such history and no such encouragement even throughout the centuries in the Abyssinian Empire, Ottoman Empire, Muslim Spain, Persia, the well documented Crusades, etc.
It seems that while strongly condemning suicide, somehow Islam is the best promoter of it. All of a sudden we have disobedient Muslims hatching like crazy all over Iraq and Palestine. Oddly, they did not become so disobedient until they came in contact with Israelis. I guess there must have been something about Jews that caused Muslims to employ a method of fighting that their Qur'an strongly condemned, the examples of the Prophet (saaw) and all pious Muslims in the history of Islam did not endorse, their own will to live resisted and looking at the gains versus the cost, really was not worth it. At the same time we have a Media that is too eager to enlighten and spread the word about those crazy Muslims killing themselves for 72 virgins. This, by the way, is not even in the Qur'an. Smells fishy? It should, because it is all pure BS!
It is a sick and despicable mind that feels that it has a right to attack, steal, murder and cause harm to others but if the others dare fight back they are wrong and therefore terrorists. This one sentence describes Israeli thinking and their policies. They believe they are superior and entitled and they have a right to do anything to other people and those people better not retaliate. As a result they have done more by way of propaganda to take the legitimate fight of those who are against their wrongs and demonize them. We now have this ongoing enormous propaganda campaign to make Palestinians and anyone belonging to the same religion as Palestinians, to be seen as mindless terrorists and suicide bombers with no cause other than to do evil. Their propaganda is so powerful that they have even gotten some foolish Muslims to buy into it.
What I wrote about Islam's position on suicide and killing of innocents is not secret, esoteric knowledge. It is common knowledge well known and can easily be discerned by anyone doing a very elementary study of the religion. Yet what we have today is the knee jerk, unconscious association of the religion of Islam with suicide bombings. Even to the point where claims of getting 72 virgins are an Islamic prize offered for suicide. This is a cruel and ugly lie about Islam that has been so widely perpetuated that it is accepted as fact. Corrections to the association of Islam with suicide and the killing of innocents are not made in the media. Instead it is glued even tighter by reporting that not a person disobeying Islam, but a Muslim imbued with Islamic religious fervor committed a suicide.
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Innocent Muslims are being harassed and locked up for no reason under the powers granted by the Patriot Act. Warlike declarations from leaders in religion and government are being made against Muslims and Muslim nations. One of the leading Preachers in Christianity has publicly called the Prophet of Islam a terrorist. The most ugly and hateful things are being said about Islam. Despite the huge onslaught on Islam, the religion continues to grow. It is the fastest growing religion in the world and since 911 it has experienced the largest number of conversions to Islam in the history of the religion in the U.S. All that it takes is either a little experience with a Muslim or exposure to the true teachings of Islam and the demonizations are defeated.
Despite the numerous violations of UN resolutions by Israel and the revelations of Israeli weapons of mass destruction, the country attacked for these "reasons" was Iraq. The smear campaign against Muslims and their religion by the mainstream media has successfully demonized Arabs and Muslims. When thousands are killed by the American onslaught in Iraq, the American public has already been de-sensitized to feel no sympathy for the innocent lives lost. The average American will view the massacres as necessary killing of "Moslem terrorists".
Along with the benefits I mentioned above gained by Israel from the attacks on 911, there are quite a few more. Here is a listing of some more of them:
* Financially it was Israelis who profited handsomely from the destruction of the WTC. Larry Silverstein, a Zionist Jew whose company acquired the 99 year lease for the WTC got an insurance payment for more than 4.6 billion dollars for 2 attacks on the WTC on 911. Incidentally he acquired the lease 6 months before the 911 attacks and just "happened" to fully insure it against terrorist attacks.
Another Israeli by the name of Frank Lowy, chairman and founder of Westfield Holdings, had recently acquired the 99-year lease for the 425,000 square foot retail portion of World Trade Center before the WTC attacks of Sept. 11, according to The Jerusalem Post . He too also fully insured his lease against terrorist attacks and will also be paid billions.
* The two airlines involved in the terrorist attacks, American and United Airlines, had significantly abnormal trading as much as 600% on their put stocks options. Highly abnormal levels of put options were also purchased in Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley, AXA Re (insurance) which owns 25% of American Airlines, and Munich Re. All of these companies were directly impacted by the September 11 attacks. You would think that it was OBL and Al-Qaeda investing and making huge profits from stock trades since supposedly they were the culprits. But that was not the case and no profit making from stocks was ever attributed to OBL and Al-Qaeda. According to the Barnes Review: " Between August 26 and September 11, 2001, a group of speculators, identified by the American Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) as Israeli citizens, sold "short" a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall in value as a result of the pending attacks. These speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany, stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be "in the millions of dollars."
http://tbrnews.org/Archives/a048.htm
* Along with having the Americans, the British and other supporters eliminate Iraq as a potential threat to Israel and having legitimate freedom fighters like Hezbollah declared to be terrorists, the war on terrorism has also put Israeli enemies such as Iran, Syria and other Middle Eastern countries in danger of pre-emptive strikes from the US and its allies. Again this would not involve Israelis dying but it would involve Americans, British and other human beings dying to kill innocent Muslims for Israel.
* Israel now enjoys major support and major endorsement by millions of Christian Zionists who believe that Islam is their enemy and that they must support Israel against the Islamic terrorists. The Israelis are enjoying this and have even predicted a future Christian crusade against Muslims as in the following statement:
"Within a few years a Christian crusade against Islam will be launched, which will be the major event of this millennium..." Benny Elon, Israeli cabinet.
* Funding for the Israeli wall and other Israeli projects is given billions of dollars along with the most sophisticated weapons by the US in a show of even more solidarity and support for Israel against the terrorists.
* Although Islamophobia is at an all time high with rising levels of profiled attacks against Muslims both from propaganda and physical attacks, the United States President George W Bush has signed into law a bill requiring the State Department to monitor global anti-Semitism and rate countries annually on their treatment of Jews.
I could go on and on. From the point of view of Cui Bono, who benefits, no people on this earth has benefited more from the attacks on 911 than the Israelis. Al-Qaeda cannot even come close to comparing with them. If we play a game of stack up the evidence, it will be very easy to see who the guilt really points to. If we also play the game of stack up the benefits, Israel will outshine them all. If we play a game of who did this kind of thing before and had others blamed for it, Israel again wins first prize. So for motive, means and benefits, Israel fits the true detective's picture of the guiltiest party to commit the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States of America. But to be complete I must add that they had help from corrupt elements within the US government.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: blewmeanie]
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Few example that led my thinking this way..
The Astrological sign of Aquarius is the 11th sign in the Zodiac.
1990, september 11 - U.S. President George H. W. Bush delivers a nationally televised speech in which he threatens the use of force to remove Iraqi soldiers from Kuwait, which Iraq had recently invaded. He mentions the term "New World Order" in this speech for the first time, which is also named "Towards a New World Order"
9+1+1=11, Twin Towers =11, Flight 11
In systems such as Astrology and basic Numerology, eleven is considered to be a Master Number. Eleven can also represent sin; transgression and peril.
Eleven (11) is a sacred number. When eleven is multiplied by the perfect number 3, the number 33 is produced. Linking to the 33degrees of masonry.
Three distinct pyramids at Giza. Two almost the same height, and one considerably smaller one. These have over time evolved and been incorporated into the symbolism of the three pillars of Masonry seen on tracing boards. The 2 greater Pyramids have become the Twin Pillars of Solomons Temple also reflected by the Twin Towers of 911. Meaning the Twin Towers can be considered symbolic pyramids or "Pillarmids".
8:45 a.m.: 9/11. Also 9+1+1=11. September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11. American Airlines (American Airlines A=1, A=1 which represents 11) Flight 11, carrying 81 passengers and 11 crew members. 81 passengers and 11 crew members make 92. 9+2=11. crashes into the north tower of the World Trade Center in Manhattan which has 110 floors. Flight AA011 was en route from Boston to Los Angeles..
It just gets way too eerie if you really want to spend the time getting into this stuff.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
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we are dealing with folk obsessed with symbolism don't foeget.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
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I find the phrase "conspiracy theory" has a negative connotation attached to it these day.
All one has to say is "have you heard the conspiracy theory regarding" and already the listener has started laughing. Its a sad reflex so many suffer i find.
Now if you change "conspiracy theory" to "synchromysticism" people tend to listen for longer before laughing.. lol.
Synchromysticism: The art of realizing meaningful coincidence in the seemingly mundane with mystical or esoteric significance.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: JonnyDeformed]
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
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All I can say is.. the only reason there aren't any conspiracy theories about the Hindenburg is because there was no internet in 1937. And thank goodness for that.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: zouden]
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Have anything useful to add? I didn't know the propaganda machine stretched to Australia. Interesting.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: jwm285]
#8641632 - 07/16/08 08:36 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wow this thread actually ended up on track after six pages of bullshit. Kudos to Shroomism for his patience.
jwm285, as you may have gathered, this topic has been discussed at least 85 times here, there's nothing that hasn't been said, no argument that hasn't been made, no video that hasn't been posted. People get especially heated about this issue. The Politics forum no longer allows this topic at all. We also don't allow flaming in here, so please don't call other users sick and heartless.
And to the regulars... you know better than to jump into a thread just to derail it. If you actually don't care, don't post in it. If you do post, stay on topic and don't make it personal. You know this shit already.
Ok, round 8! *ding*
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: zouden]
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All I can say is.. the only reason there aren't any conspiracy theories about the Hindenburg is because there was no internet in 1937. And thank goodness for that.
Yup...the internet contains so much information now, I think they need to start having classes in elementary schools about distinguishing legitimate sources and whatnot. As it stands now, you can find info to back up literally whatever appeals to you. And conspiracy theories are certainly appealing, on many levels. They just aren't true.
The way I look at it, if you really want to find all the info out there to debunk the theories, you certainly can. After watching Zeitgeist, I did, just cause that movie was my first experience with convincing internet videos and it rattled me a little bit. But really, you don't even need to go that far. Just think about the whole thing logically. How fucking hard would it be to actually orchestrate an attack on the world trade centers for the government? A conspiracy like that would involve sooooo many people, and by now somebody would talk. Also, if some dude on a forum can go out and find his "proof" for the conspiracy, anybody in the media could too. The thing is, none of them have brought it up. Why? Because it doesn't...make....sense. And don't give me that "government controls the media" garbage. There are plenty of famous left wing journalists that would love to make their career by ousting the U.S government over this. There just isn't anything to oust.
You can always string together a bunch of minor inconsistencies (which are completely inevitable in an event of this magnitude) and call them evidence for some shadowy master conspiracy. Or, you can look at what happened, and attribute it to the most logical cause. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing every little point here, I've done it before and it's useless. You can use the search function if there's something you're unclear about.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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> How fucking hard would it be to actually orchestrate an attack on the world trade centers for the government?
The president couldn't even keep a blowjob secret, yet I am to believe that the same government could pull off something of this magnitude without anybody producing evidence, such as a semen stained dress?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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conspiracy theories are certainly appealing, on many levels. They just aren't true.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Seuss]
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The president couldn't even keep a blowjob secret, yet I am to believe that the same government could pull off something of this magnitude without anybody producing evidence, such as a semen stained dress?
Presidents are just puppets. That whole shebang reeked more of like a distraction from real issues then anything else.
If you think the combined forces of our government and military and all of their technology, reaches of influence, secret organizations and trillions of dollars is incapable of pulling something of that magnitude off.. I honestly don't know what to tell you.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
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They just aren't true.
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I've done it before and it's useless.
Oh, ok. Well thanks for the effort!
I really mean that. I don't feel like writing another book in one of these posts. As others have said, this entire argument is documented on this site, if you are actually interested on what happened on 9/11 you can easily find out.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
#8641670 - 07/16/08 08:54 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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9/11 debates are pointless. Everyone on each side of the debate is so firmly entrenched in their positions that no one is going to change anyone's mind.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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I know. I've read and participated in the other threads. I'm not convinced. Call me a skeptic.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
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The president couldn't even keep a blowjob secret, yet I am to believe that the same government could pull off something of this magnitude without anybody producing evidence, such as a semen stained dress?
Presidents are just puppets. That whole shebang reeked more of like a distraction from real issues then anything else.
If you think the combined forces of our government and military and all of their technology, reaches of influence, secret organizations and trillions of dollars is incapable of pulling something of that magnitude off.. I honestly don't know what to tell you.
No one said they weren't capable of it. You are changing the scope of the argument, which is disingenuous in a debate. What was said is that if this was done, it would be next to impossible to keep it a secret.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
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The president couldn't even keep a blowjob secret, yet I am to believe that the same government could pull off something of this magnitude without anybody producing evidence, such as a semen stained dress?
Presidents are just puppets. That whole shebang reeked more of like a distraction from real issues then anything else.
If you think the combined forces of our government and military and all of their technology, reaches of influence, secret organizations and trillions of dollars is incapable of pulling something of that magnitude off.. I honestly don't know what to tell you.
If you include everything in your conspiracy than I guess it all fits together. But at the same time, do you really think that many people could be involved in a conspiracy and keep it silent? Do you really think the information wouldn't get out there? You can say that it has, and that we're all just being sheep (which is an excellent blanket statement btw) but the fact is there are plenty of intelligent Americans who, given the evidence, would not be afraid to believe this stuff. They, and I, just have yet to see any actual evidence.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Redstorm]
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9/11 debates are pointless. Everyone on each side of the debate is so firmly entrenched in their positions that no one is going to change anyone's mind.
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It is interesting however, how pissed people often become at the mere suggestion that it may have been an inside job. This subject has been analyzed in detail. Strangely, it does polarize people (Divide et Impera, nothing new). Senator Prescott Bush laundered money for the Nazis in WWII. Chancellor Hitler used the burning (another false flag terrorist attack he blamed on communists?) of the German Reichstag to obtain dictatorial powers and lay out a PRE-EMPTIVE war scheme on his neighbors (blitzkrieg, remember?) If the douchebags get away with it once they will continue to use the same strategies to take away essential liberty and freedom. Personally, I don't care if the subject matter has been "talked to death". As a sentient being that has a halfway decent brain I consider it a moral responsibility to talk these things to death. Maybe it would stop history from repeating itself. 911 inside job? Even better question: Did the Nazi's really lose WWII. (Overtly yes, covertly no.) Two sides of the same coin.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Redstorm]
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> What was said is that if this was done, it would be next to impossible to keep it a secret.
My statements were in support of this position, not against it.
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Even better question: Did the Nazi's really lose WWII. (Overtly yes, covertly no.) Two sides of the same coin.
Dude you're gonna have to explain that. I am literally quivering with excitement.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
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i'm not taking a position on this. this looks like an american thing, at least to me. it's like "you either take the side of the official story or become a conspiracy theory guy" with no middle ground or a third option.
and on both cases if it was just an islamic fundamentalist group or an inside job that did this its still a long process that stretches back for decades and wouldn't have happened without CIA's role in this. i think this comes down to some few greedy people in politics and nothing more. you don't need elaborate schemes to blow up some towers because if you work in a high position in america where political correctness is a rule and you have big balls of steel you can do anything you want and get away with it.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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There is PLENTY of evidence contrary to the "official" statements. Tons of it in fact. If you choose to ignore it, that's something else entirely. I've certainly looked at both sides of it. It's NOT a secret. That's part of the cunning of the plan. It's just that those who are looking for an actual investigation, and to find the truth behind the matter, are shunned as "crazy conspiracy people" who are automatically discredited or ridiculed when their side of it isn't even considered. That's part of their propaganda campaign. Mainstream media has a very powerful effect on the psyche.
As for, would so many people be able to be involved in a conspiracy and keep it a secret? Absolutely positively. Or do I need to dig up more historic precedent?
Obviously though, they didn't do a very good job at keeping it a total secret, or else we wouldn't be having this debate every week. What they did succeed in, is brainwashing the public into thinking our government is completely incapable of such a heinous act. But they definitely are.
They have the motive, the means, and the history.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
#8641735 - 07/16/08 09:12 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't believe the official story. I certainly believe that there was incompetence about and that the government fucked that shit up bad. I also think it's disgusting how they used 9/11 to further their own agenda. That in no way means they orchestrated the attacks.
I've noticed a lot of you guys can only argue this when you characterize the people you're arguing against as "brainwashed sheep" or whatever. Nobody thinks the government is "incapable." I know my history too, I know that the government has used bullshit to pull us into war before. That does not mean the facts add up in this case.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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Checkout Project Paperclip. Following WWII Nazi scientists and military leaders were brought into the U.S. They were given full immunity, new identities, and high (non-elected) positions within intelligence and science government organizations. N.A.S.A. was (is? not sure probably) full of fascist a#$holes. Of course, space tech. and rocket technology improved drastically. Both Prescott Bush's son and grandson have since been presidents. The revolutionary war??? Why are our presidents related to the flipping queen of england??? The queen of england is queen of the illuminati. Just checkout footage some years ago of her wearing a crown with the all-seeing eye on it. BTW the all seeing eye on our dollar bills is not a human eye (look at it under magnification sometime...) WTF do you think has been going on??? Knee jerk response is to call this crazy talk. We have been sociologically conditioned to behave this way.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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I'm not categorizing everyone who takes the opposite stance as "brainwashed sheep". A lot of Americans would certainly fall under that category.. but I like to think of most of the people that post on the Shroomery as a little more intelligent than that. What I am suggesting is that they have managed to effectively polarize people so they are almost always either on one side or the other. And they have certainly managed to manipulate the evidence and provide a ton a propaganda and bs science, where anyone who even challenges the official story is automatically labeled a crackpot who is not worthy of even listening to.
I'm not saying I know the whole story either. I just know the official story has a LOT of holes in it, and we shouldn't just be complacent and just "move on" with our lives.. when possibly one of the greatest crimes in recent history has gone by without so much as a trial or ANYONE held accountable. But when you take the time to look at the actual evidence and the links between them, a group of radical muslims that can't even fly a cessna seems like the last group of people able to pull such a task off, and they did not benefit at all from it. Most of the evidence points towards an inside job. As to where exactly, and how.. harder to answer. But it certainly wasn't Osama Bin Laden, or Al Qiada, as we are supposed to believe. No formal investigation has even taken place. Pretty suspicious if you ask me considering this is the biggest crime and MASS MURDER to occur in the United States in at least the past few centuries.. and that's saying a lot. The fact that so many people are so willing to blindly swallow whatever the government feeds them disgusts me quite frankly.. not saying any of you guys personally.. just in general. But a LOT of people see through the bullshit. A lot of them keep silent. Some are totally outraged. As they should be.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
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Project Paperclip extracted German scientists, not after WWII but during. These were not crazy Nazis like you're describing, they were just scientists who wanted to get out of Germany. It was done strategically mainly to prevent them from falling into soviet hands. You're doing what most conspiracy theorists do, which is taking a few facts that you think seem "fishy" and creating an entire complicated plot surrounding it.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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Project Paperclip extracted German scientists, not after WWII but during. These were not crazy Nazis like you're describing, they were just scientists who wanted to get out of Germany. It was done strategically mainly to prevent them from falling into soviet hands. You're doing what most conspiracy theorists do, which is taking a few facts that you think seem "fishy" and creating an entire complicated plot surrounding it.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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Project Paperclip extracted German scientists, not after WWII but during. These were not crazy Nazis like you're describing, they were just scientists who wanted to get out of Germany. It was done strategically mainly to prevent them from falling into soviet hands. You're doing what most conspiracy theorists do, which is taking a few facts that you think seem "fishy" and creating an entire complicated plot surrounding it.
Um, not to derail this thread too much. But do you even know what the Nazi 'scientists" were experimenting with in WWII? They weren't all harmless peace-loving scientists.
Project Paperclip was also a cover to install nazi war criminals into the US under diplomatic immunity. Not all of them were at the Nuremburg Trials. A lot of them came to work for us..
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#8641832 - 07/16/08 09:33 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whoever can control the present can write the past. What's all this talk about Homeland Security??? Protecting the Homeland was the exact phraseology Hitler used to start rolling over countries with his "PREEMPTIVE WAR STRATEGY".
Preemptive war strategies and homeland security is textbook WWII nazi propaganda spouted by the Bush administration. Prescott Bush was a Nazi sympathizer. Who won WWII? Where did all these NEO-CON's = NEO-NAZI's come from.
Haven't you noticed that we always have an "enemy figure" to focus on??? This is straight out of 1984 friend. The illusion of conflict is created for the purpose of sociological manipulation of the masses.
This stuff is not off topic because: Bush is to 911 as Hitler is to Reichstag (circa 1933). They are identical!
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
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Yeah there were some (maybe 2 or3) scientists who upon further investigation had not been the best of people. The vast majority were just scientists however, who just wanted a safe place to continue their work. There's certainly no evidence that it was in any way a part of a conspiracy.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
#8641843 - 07/16/08 09:38 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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MK-Ultra was only one of their many "experiments".
As far as I'm concerned, Bush is just trying to ensure the Fourth Reich.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
#8641846 - 07/16/08 09:39 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't believe the official story. I certainly believe that there was incompetence about and that the government fucked that shit up bad. I also think it's disgusting how they used 9/11 to further their own agenda. That in no way means they orchestrated the attacks.
I've noticed a lot of you guys can only argue this when you characterize the people you're arguing against as "brainwashed sheep" or whatever. Nobody thinks the government is "incapable." I know my history too, I know that the government has used bullshit to pull us into war before. That does not mean the facts add up in this case.
^This man's making sense.
Of course there are abundant holes in the official story. That's plain to see. But coupling these inconsistencies to a who-benefits analysis, and touting it as proof of a conspiracy just doesn't work for me. It would not surprise me if there was a degree of government complicity in 9/11 (particularly on the part of General Mike Snyder). It also wouldn't surprise me if government complicity was small to nil.
Proof of a conspiracy is not an easy thing to come by... and when people like the OP come along and post videos of highly dubious informational quality and start posting with a God-given conviction that they speak the truth, it does a discredit to the cause (of getting to the bottom of 9/11)
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8641855 - 07/16/08 09:41 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its official, the thread has been godwinned everyone looses.
Mr.AI.....Bro you really need to stop using nazis as a basis for every debate, that stuff gets old real fast.
Shroomism, Ill get back to ya latter on the ridiculously long post, I'm at work now so I dont have time to actually read all of it, and check out the links, but I will latter.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
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Whoever can control the present can write the past. What's all this talk about Homeland Security??? Protecting the Homeland was the exact phraseology Hitler used to start rolling over countries with his "PREEMPTIVE WAR STRATEGY".
Therefor, the U.S. is run by nazi's.
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Preemptive war strategies and homeland security is textbook WWII nazi propaganda spouted by the Bush administration. Prescott Bush was a Nazi sympathizer. Who won WWII? Where did all these NEO-CON's = NEO-NAZI's come from.
Neo cons are just that..."new" conservatives. Neo Nazi's are just that..."new nazi's. Just because they both have "neo" in their name doesn't mean they're related 
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Haven't you noticed that we always have an "enemy figure" to focus on??? This is straight out of 1984 friend. The illusion of conflict is created for the purpose of sociological manipulation of the masses.
I would agree that sociological manipulation is taking place, but there is no illusion of conflict. Like it or not, there are plenty of people out there in the world who want to hurt americans, and they are not connected to our government.
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This stuff is not off topic because: Bush is to 911 as Hitler is to Reichstag (circa 1933). They are identical!
That is a somewhat apt analogy, although Bush didn't cause 9/11 and it's debatable whether the Nazi's caused the Reichstag. Plus, I'm not ready just yet to put Bush in the same boat as Hitler.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641874 - 07/16/08 09:47 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Of course there are abundant holes in the official story. That's plain to see. But coupling these inconsistencies to a who-benefits analysis, and touting it as proof of a conspiracy just doesn't work for me. It would not surprise me if there was a degree of government complicity in 9/11 (particularly on the part of General Mike Snyder). It also wouldn't surprise me if government complicity was small to nil.
Proof of a conspiracy is not an easy thing to come by... and when people like the OP come along and post videos of highly dubious informational quality and start posting with a God-given conviction that they speak the truth, it does a discredit to the cause (of getting to the bottom of 9/11)
That may be the case. But in my mind so does it do discredit to the other side of the cause when some people get downright HOSTILE at the mere suggestion of a conspiracy. Either way, we shouldn't just discredit something completely because someone is passionate about something and just may not have the proper eloquence to present it in an appropriate manner for consumption. We should never stop looking for answers until the truth is known in FULL DETAIL.
Getting back on track. One thing that is often overlooked, and probably the most debated area of the whole 9/11 thing, with the least amount of evidence - is the attack on the Pentagon. I've read a lot of articles and such on it.
But this one I think presents it the best, looking at all the angles. Definitely worth checking out.
As for G.W, I like this quote.
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In trying to determine who is truly responsible for 9-11 it is probably a mistake to point the finger too vigorously in the direction of George W. Bush and his cohorts. Bush himself, even with each and every one of his ninety one IQ points firing in unison, is of course incapable of having played any meaningful role in 9-11's conception. Both he and those in his administration are mere puppets, acting out a script written and conceived by some higher power. But who is pulling the strings? Who has the power and the influence to control presidents, the media and the military, to procure black technology and use it to slaughter thousands of the tax payers who paid for it? I do not know, but the attack on the Pentagon, the headquarters of the most powerful military machine the world has ever seen, was perhaps the symbolic confirmation of a secret coup d'etat that in reality took place some time ago.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Entropymancer]
#8641892 - 07/16/08 09:53 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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I certainly wouldn't be surprised if certain people in the administration "let" 9/11 take place, although at the moment I don't think there's any evidence for that. What I'm more concerned about are the ramifications of 9/11: that we are currently in a war without end, and that going into Iraq seriously fucked up the geopolitics of the middle east. Seriously, if there was one dumb fuck thing we could have done in the past 8 years, it was probably taking out one of the major middle eastern powers.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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O.K. so the C.I.A. created alqaeda when the Russians were getting into Afghanistan. Bin Laden was educated in U.S. colleges and trained by the C.I.A. Decades later alqaeda is blamed for a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. That is more than enough to raise some serious suspicion. The Bush family is good friends with the BinLaden's. (i.e. google "Bandar Bush") We may not have 100% answers Entro, but we sure have a lot of very fishy information. Jetfuel could not have melted those steel supports. Building 7 went down collapsing toward it's center just like a controlled demolition. For weeks afterwards there was POOLS OF MOLTEN STEEL at ground zero. Witnesses spoke of multiple explosions going off in the buildings, including the basement. After 911 they introduced the Neo-Nazi Patriot Act. Without 911 they would not be able to do so, nor would an invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq been on the table.
Why does Hitler's Reichstag and Bush's 911 look so chillingly similar. Prescott Bush was a Nazi sympathizer. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it, friend?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
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O.K. so the C.I.A. created alqaeda when the Russians were getting into Afghanistan. Bin Laden was educated in U.S. colleges and trained by the C.I.A. Decades later alqaeda is blamed for a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. That is more than enough to raise some serious suspicion.
Not if you're acquainted with the Cold War....
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
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Some of what you said is suspicious. It doesn't prove shit though. What it really points to is the interconnectedness of world politics.
As for your controlled demolition theories, those have all been 100% debunked by professional physicists. There is nothing unexplained about how two plains could have caused that damage.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
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What about the professional physicists and engineers that find completely conflicting information than those professional physicists?
Physics take a field day, or is someone paid off?
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Shroomism]
#8641916 - 07/16/08 10:05 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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You mean like the guy from BYU that's been completely ostracized from the worldwide intellectual community? That guy has been completely disproved.
If your argument is actually that all sources that disagree with you are paid off, then I really don't know what to tell you. If you read the documents released, they make sense.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: g00ru]
#8641943 - 07/16/08 10:23 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not sure which guy you are referring to, but I've read several very detailed explanations from several different physicists and structural engineers.
It's too bad they removed almost ALL the steel and recycled it before it could be examined by engineers.. effectively destroying the evidence. Some say engineers were not granted any access to Ground Zero OR the salvage yards at all. So the "investigation" into the actual collapse pretty much amounted to computer-generated hypotheticals and speculation.
Kind of hard to find evidence of detonation when they destroy the evidence..
Regardless, I'll try and see if I can find the info.
This isn't one of them... but I stumbled across this earlier.... has this been debunked eh? http://911review.org/Wget/www.nerdcities.com/guardian/wtc/wtc-demolition.htm
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8641951 - 07/16/08 10:26 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is info relating to the fact that explosives were used to take down the WTC.
http://physics911.net/thermite
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/thermite.html
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2005/06/22/shocking_parallels_between_the_us_patriot_act_the_nazi_enabling_act.htm
Coroner quotes on site at the pentagon following "plane crash".
Miller was among the very first to arrive after 10:06 on
the magnificently sunny morning of September 11.
He was stunned at how small the smoking crater looked, he says,
"like someone took a scrap truck, dug a 10-foot ditch and dumped all this trash into it." Once he was able to absorb the scene, Miller says,
"I stopped being coroner after about 20 minutes, because there were no bodies there
Immediately after the crash, the seeming absence of human remains led the mind of coroner Wally Miller to a surreal fantasy:
that Flight 93 had somehow stopped in mid-flight and discharged all of its passengers before crashing.
"There was just nothing visible," he says. "It was the strangest feeling."It would be nearly an hour before Miller came upon his first trace of a body part.
Another 14 victims of Flight 93 identified
Saturday, October 27, 2001
At the same time, the high winds that buffeted the area over the last few days have dislodged additional airplane parts -- seat cushions,
wiring, carpet fragments and pieces of metal -- from trees near the crash site.
"It's all aircraft parts, no human remains," Miller said. "We've collected them in
10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United."
I am suggesting that "conflict" is created by governments so that they can throw populations into chaos. The governments then create a new order (such as the U.N. after WWII, or the league of nations after WWI.) By "illusion of conflict" I mean that there is one controlling organization behind WWI and WWII. These wars are caused because it is easy to bring about social and political change after you throw the world into a hellish scenario. It is nowhere near as easy to do this when things are peaceful and harmonious. Most of the wars, at least in modern history, have been caused by and for the benefit of an elitist group.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
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O.K. so the C.I.A. created alqaeda when the Russians were getting into Afghanistan. Bin Laden was educated in U.S. colleges and trained by the C.I.A. Decades later alqaeda is blamed for a terrorist attack on U.S. soil.
As are quite a few other Saudi Arabian citizens. One of the benefits to their oil revenue is a highly socialized secondary education program. My old room mate was from Saudi Arabia, all 12 years of college, were paid for by his government, as well as his rent (I lived in a nice townhouse with him) and a monthly stipend.
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That is more than enough to raise some serious suspicion. The Bush family is good friends with the BinLaden's. (i.e. google "Bandar Bush")
wow, two family's that have been involved in politics on an international level for a long time are friends with each other, whats next celebrity's dating other celebrity's? Before long people might even start forming friendships with co-workers, this madness must be stooped!
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We may not have 100% answers Entro, but we sure have a lot of very fishy information. Jetfuel could not have melted those steel supports. Building 7 went down collapsing toward it's center just like a controlled demolition.
Really? A controlled demolition you say? So is you're background in structural engineering, or demolition? I agree that the official story doesn't fit the facts, but so far neither does a "controlled demolition"
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For weeks afterwards there was POOLS OF MOLTEN STEEL at ground zero.
Shoe me one picture. I really would love to see it, so many people love to talk about the molten steal, but I haven't seen one scrap of evidence for it.
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Witnesses spoke of multiple explosions going off in the buildings, including the basement.
That is true, and it definitely needs to be considered, but it certainly doesn't point to a "controlled demolition". I heard someone mention something about a secret underground power plant that could have been destroyed as well, but I haven't seen any evidence yet. I agree with you though that it definitely doesn't fit the official story.
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After 911 they introduced the Neo-Nazi Patriot Act. Without 911 they would not be able to do so, nor would an invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq been on the table.
Well they certainly took advantage of the situation, and took action when they had the opportunity. This administration may be a bunch of tyrannical cunts, but that doesn't mean they planned 9/11. Coronation does not mean causation.
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Why does Hitler's Reichstag and Bush's 911 look so chillingly similar. Prescott Bush was a Nazi sympathizer. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree does it, friend?
So where a great many Americans before the war. If you're not familiar enough with our recent history to understand that, you have no right to be using it as a debate strategy. My grandfather was in the German army during WW2, be any reasonable definition he was a Nazi. Does that mean I helped plan the 9/11 attack as well? Of course not, quite godwinning every debate you involve yourself in, it only takes away from any valid point that you may have.
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Fire Fighters describing Explosives
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: blewmeanie]
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For weeks afterwards there was POOLS OF MOLTEN STEEL at ground zero.
Shoe me one picture. I really would love to see it, so many people love to talk about the molten steal, but I haven't seen one scrap of evidence for it.
So it was asked, and So shall it be.
One of the videos shows it dripping off the building plus all the Firemens testimony and even a Physics professor.
http://tobefree.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/molten-steel-found-at-ground-zero-weeks-after-911/
There is a thousand times this. How long will it continue to be denied.
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For weeks afterwards there was POOLS OF MOLTEN STEEL at ground zero.
Shoe me one picture. I really would love to see it, so many people love to talk about the molten steal, but I haven't seen one scrap of evidence for it.
So it was asked, and So shall it be.
One of the videos shows it dripping off the building plus all the Firemens testimony and even a Physics professor.
http://tobefree.wordpress.com/2008/01/21/molten-steel-found-at-ground-zero-weeks-after-911/
There is a thousand times this. How long will it continue to be denied.
Until someone produces some evidence for these rivers of molten steal. I watched every video, and didnt see any. A burning liquid escaping through a hole does not constitute proof. Its interesting, and worth considering, but it is far from solid evidence. If there really were rivers of molten steel evidence shouldn't be that hard to find.
What I have seen in all of the photographs of the cleanup site are the crumpled, and in some cases broken remains of steel beams.
I agree with you that the facts do not match up with the official story, but the "theory" you have presented is so far IMO even more far fetched.
I am completely open to any new evidence though, and the flaming liquid dripping from the window was interesting.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
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That along with all the testimony some which comes from people that risked their very lives in what everyone knew was a lost cause....
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what reason do those firefighter have to lie?
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what reason do those firefighter have to lie?
Thats not my concern, I'm not denying the possibility of molten steel, but I'm not going to base my beliefs off of conjecture.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8642241 - 07/16/08 11:37 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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That along with all the testimony some which comes from people that risked their very lives in what everyone knew was a lost cause....
In both of those pictures I see what could possibly be very hot metal, not necessarily molten but very hot none the less. However I certainly dont see the flowing rivers of molten steel I keep hearing about. I can understand a few puddles of molten aluminum which melts at a fairly low temperature (around 1000 degress less than steel) from the fuselage of the plane, but where are these rivers of steel? They would have solidified fairly quickly into a giant solid piece and left significant evidence behind as they carved out a fiery pathway through everything it touched.
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Re: do you think 9/11 was an inside job??? [Re: Mr.Al]
#8642339 - 07/16/08 12:10 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Presence of Thermite
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2007-January/424508.html
What about WTC 7? Rarely covered in any Media since it debunks any thoughts that planes have anything to do with it.
How about the official claims of "Pancake Theory".... If that were the case the steel columns would still be standing.
Why were the majority of the Steel Columns shipped to China and India to be melted
* Bill Manning, "$elling Out the Investigation," Fire Engineering, January 2002:
"For more than three months, structural steel from the World Trade Center has been and continues to be cut up and sold for scrap. Crucial evidence that could answer many questions about high-rise building design practices and performance under fire conditions is on the slow boat to China, perhaps never to be seen again in America until you buy your next car.
"Such destruction of evidence shows the astounding ignorance of government officials to the value of a thorough, scientific investigation of the largest fire-induced collapse in world history. I have combed through our national standard for fire investigation, NFPA 921, but nowhere in it does one find an exemption allowing the destruction of evidence for buildings over 10 stories tall."
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* "Baosteel Will Recycle World Trade Center Debris," www.china.org, January 24, 2002:
"A shipment of scrap steel from New York's collapsed World Trade Center will arrive in Shanghai tomorrow, according to media reports. The steel was bought by Shanghai Baosteel Group Corp. and several other domestic mills, which are always eager to buy scrap metal.
"Baosteel Group, the nation's largest steel firm, has purchased 50,000 tons of the scrap steel from 'Ground Zero,' the ruins of the September 11 terrorist attack, at no more than US$120 each ton, according to yesterday's Beijing Youth Daily. ... Most of the scrap will be recycled into ingots, but part of the relics will be molded into WTC souvenirs, the paper said.
"Baosteel officials reached by Shanghai Daily, however, denied they will make keepsakes out of the debris, but declined to give more details of their plans, saying only that the scrap will be melted down and reprocessed into new steel products.
"Another shipment of 10,000 tons of scrap from the WTC arrived in India earlier this month, reported Shanghai Morning Post. The metal will be melted down and recycled into kitchenware and other household items, the paper said.
"India bought its lot at US$120 per ton from the New Jersey scrap processor Metal Management, which purchased 40,000 tons of the debris at an auction held by the New York City government. Dealers estimated that the WTC disaster created more than"
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No independant researcher was even allowed to examine the materials.
The fact is after a point with some hard evidence, MUCH Circumstantial Evidence and Testimony. Any Court of Law will convict a person.
Obstruction of Justice is the minimum charge.
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In relation to the Persian Gulf, citing particularly Iraq and Iran, Rebuilding America's Defenses states that "while the unresolved conflict in Iraq provides the immediate justification [for U.S. military presence], the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein" and "Over the long term, Iran may well prove as large a threat to U.S. interests in the Gulf as Iraq has. And even should U.S.-Iranian relations improve, retaining forward-based forces in the region would still be an essential element in U.S. security strategy given the longstanding American interests in the region."[22]
One of the core missions outlined in the 2000 report Rebuilding America's Defenses is "fight and decisively win multiple, simultaneous major theater wars."[26]
The report also states:
"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor"
Again Circumstantial Evidence when there is enough, especially if combined with some Hard Evidence is enough for any court of Law. These men should be held accountable
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