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Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1:20h)
#8585077 - 07/01/08 05:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Let the good Doctor explain you why the world as we know it will come to an end within our lifetime, in fact why it has to, using simple Arithmetic you can apply on data you can check out for yourself.

This is no tin foil hat stuff, the professor has been giving this lecture since 1969, adding new data when it became available over the years. For 39 years to this day the professor has been touring the countries universities with the same message, and almost four decades did nothing but prove him right.

The first part is a bit dry, but soon it all comes together.

Transcript of the lecture is attached to this post as a PDF

Dr. Albert A. Bartlett's presentation on "Arithmetic, Population, and Energy."

PART 1

PART 2

PART 3

PART 4

PART 5

PART 6

PART 7

PART 8

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ENDGAME EARTHLINGS THE CRASH COURSE MONEY AS DEBT ARITHMETIC, POPULATION & ENERGY OBAMA
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#8585109 - 07/01/08 05:29 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Before I watch this, tell me: will these videos completely crush any chance of lasting happiness my pitiful life might hold in the future? :sad:

Or will they give us all a legitimate reason to get stupid and burn stuff? :uptosomething:

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#8585122 - 07/01/08 05:32 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It depends on the person you are really.

The party has gone on for decades but the first guests are leaving already. Its up to you whether you choose to get hammered, or sober up a bit, before the long walk home.

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#8585240 - 07/01/08 06:09 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

hard to think of that actually happening

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#8585383 - 07/01/08 06:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Hard to imagine isn't it? But the arithmetic checks out, and he has his facts right.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8585394 - 07/01/08 06:59 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I've got 8 and 9 left to watch, but this is a great lecture. I've had a lot of the same arguments or a while, but I'm from an energy industry area, and they all believe that there's and endless supply to be found somewhere. Kinda like blowing all you're money cuz you know you're gonna hit the lottery.

Very enjoyable and thanks for sharing. I'll finish the rest when I get home from the gym.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: whattheheck]
#8585500 - 07/01/08 07:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

great videos. but i must ask, is oil the ONLY source of energy. i know other ways such as wind, solar, nuclear, etc may not be as common as oil, but if we are approaching the downhill side of the curve, don't you think its time to start and honest effort into other sources of energy.

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#8585505 - 07/01/08 07:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

and i'm all for population control. i like my space.

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#8585685 - 07/01/08 07:53 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Finished it. That's a pretty convincing, and ridiculously simple, argument for oil depletion within our lifetimes (or very near that). Some of those 'experts' he quoted had me going. :lol:

So... how's that Cold Aneutronic Deuterium Fusion thing coming along...? :waits:

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#8586705 - 07/02/08 02:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Be honest with yourself. Where are you?

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#8586717 - 07/02/08 02:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

So far Helium-3 is our best, and possibly only hope for any kind of a progressive future. It is extremely scarce on earth, but the moon has tons of it. However it would require allot of mining and processing to take place on the moon. The russians are already have plans for a lunar base for exactly this reason.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3

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#8586812 - 07/02/08 04:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, and I think the Chinese have a plan for a lunar base for a similar reason.

Though He-3 fusion isn't possible at the moment. Until the Polywell works, there's not much point mining the moon... in the mean time, pebble bed breeders are a pretty good solution.

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#8586848 - 07/02/08 05:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

> but i must ask, is oil the ONLY source of energy.

In an odd sort of way, yes. Obviously there are other sources of energy; however, since the days of Rockefeller's monopoly, the world has been conditioned to see oil as the only viable energy source. Just as the tobacco industry doesn't want Cannabis to become a popular alternative to tobacco, the oil industry doesn't want any other form of energy to become a popular alternative to oil.

If the US put all of the money that has been wasted on Iraq into fusion research, I have no doubt that energy from oil would soon be a thing of the past. Unfortunately, the ruling elite depend upon expensive energy to maintain their power. Energy from fusion would undermine their power base, thus we will never see it happen.

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#8586910 - 07/02/08 06:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Big Oil has invested in alternative energy sources, namely ethanol fuel, which is the reason why corn prices have skyrocketed along with the price of food overall, globally.

One would think that if the oil companies really thought oil was running out, exponentially or not, that they WOULD already be investing in fusion energies or something else.

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#8586925 - 07/02/08 06:25 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I reckon in a few years Nanosolar will be the target of a bidding war by the oil companies. They'll all want a piece of the solar pie, and Nanosolar have the tastiest pie of all.

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#8586967 - 07/02/08 06:56 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Big Oil has invested in alternative energy sources, namely ethanol fuel, which is the reason why corn prices have skyrocketed along with the price of food overall, globally.

Thats one of the biggest atrocities of all, bio-ethanol in its current form.

Millions of people this year will DIE because of bio-ethanol, because it drove world food prices so far up already.

You make bio-ethanol from corn STALKS, not from the CORN you bastards because we need to eat the corn. Or rather, the world's poor need to.

Like the professor showed us, the average American uses 8 liters of gasoline a day. In terms of free ethanol that means 80.000 kcal. Lets say we can get the ethanol really "cheap", far cheaper than in reality. That would mean the cost would be 120.000 kcal.

In an all-corn ethanol economy, the average American burns 120.000 kcal a day. The maximum amount of starvation you can put a person through without dying is about 1.200 kcal a day.

That means that in an all-corn ethanol economy 100 third-worlders will be kept FUCKING STARVING for every American to get his 12 liters of ethanol. And that number isn't sustainable. That means people will DIE in the third world because of your ethanol car.

Green my ass, its red - red with blood.

Don't take part in the ethanol fraud now. If you drive ethanol now, you take part in the genocide on the poor. You are burning the corn the starving people need to eat. That is the way it is. No mitigating that.

Wind turbines.

In most places of the world they cost more energy to set up than they will generate during their lifetime. Its a big fucking fraud.

Our major hopes for the future:

CHEAP SOLAR You can no longer buy roofing tiles without solar installed in them. The electricity generated by them is fed onto the electricity grid so the powerplants can take energy production down a notch

NUCLEAR FISSION Efficient breeder reactors that burn Uranium 235 and Plutonium 239, and with it convert depleted Uranium 238 into fissile Plutonium 239. Lean clean nuclear power thats highly fuel efficient.

NUCLEAR FUSION The energy of the future. First DT fusion, then the DD fusion that will set us free, then D3He fusion for more raw power and ultimately 3He3He aneutronic fusion on earth and colonies and D3He/DD fusion in space.

But all this will mean nothing if we don't reach goals of

ENDING EXPANSIVE GROWTH of our use of natural resources and we can ultimately only do so by

DRASTIC POPULATION CONTROL which might be peaceful but in all probability will be cataclysmic and terrible.

Its scary arithmatic: if 100 million Americans were to vanish, the 6 billion people on this earth would only use HALF the resources they do today.

Think about the cruel nature of mankind, on how we solve things. Think of our sociopathic leaders. How will this population reduction be accomplished? Will there be birth control, or will they just genetically engineer some virus or bacterium and unleash it on our species? War cannot do it. Even a world war isn't lethal enough by far to reduce the population by a large enough factor. Some sort of worldwide holocaust would run into logistic problems quite fast.

They will genetically engineer some killer bug and nine out of ten people on the world will DIE, thats what will happen. Maybe they already have a most lethal version of birdflu ready made on the shelf, awaiting use to be readied enough by the media to unleash it on us.

They are going to fucking kill us off, that's what they'll do.

Sorry to be so pessimistic.

Edited by Wiccan_Seeker (07/02/08 07:00 AM)

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#8587120 - 07/02/08 08:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Just read something on all this, today...

The End Of Civilization

Very good article...kind of puts the last 7 years or so into perspective.

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Driving you mad.

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#8587212 - 07/02/08 09:11 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Indeed, good article. Pretty grim scenario though.

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#8587256 - 07/02/08 09:29 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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#8587282 - 07/02/08 09:36 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

For this civilization, sure :smirk:

I happen to know, for a fact, that hard times breed the greatest of all moments (the grimmest, too). Necessity is the mother of invention, as they say. Well, necessity may become a much harder task master!

I can't tell you how excited I am. To be living right now is the greatest of all gifts (even if it is a mathematical probability). What we are seeing now, and will see, has not occurred on this planet for 1500 years.

I don't know if I'll survive or not, but it will be a blast on the way down!

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#8587290 - 07/02/08 09:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Very cool lecture, its strikes home more for me since I live in in Boulder. :grin:

Finished part 1, gonna watch part 2 soon.

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#8587297 - 07/02/08 09:41 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Interesting.

But if there is a "master plan" what is currently being done to safeguard food and water supplies? Because I doubt that a cold and calculating cabal would overlook those two vital resources while gathering oil.
How else are we going to keep our slave labor alive and productive?

Unless the Soylent Green solution is deemed a viable option... :tinfoil:

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#8587478 - 07/02/08 10:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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What we are seeing now, and will see, has not occurred on this planet for 1500 years.

The fall of a civilization? With the Romans just a power structure fell. The land could still support the people and the people could support themselves. What will happen here is unprecedented in recorded history. An extinction level event live on CNN.

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But if there is a "master plan" what is currently being done to safeguard food and water supplies?

If the tap stops running.. and the stores are empty.. I have me a lil food & water supply. When money isn't worth the paper its printed on so bigger numbers crowd the dollar and euro bills, I got me some gold & silver.
How about you?

You won't come knocking on my door to get some, because your car and public transportation will be shit outta gas.

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How else are we going to keep our slave labor alive and productive?

"Our" slave labor force? :smirk:

Well the answer is simple, "we" don't. Instead "we" are going to let them die by the billions and the ones that survive the holocoust will find "us" as their Overlords, heavily armed, wealthy and owning all the resources.

But lets not kid ourselves here. You or I aren't "them", we are in fact the anonymous minions who's bodies will be bulldozered into the mass graves at the edges of all cities. People will survive this global holocaust, sure, but it won't be us.

Question remaining is how long do you want to last?

I'm planning to last as far as it's gonna go. Most people who now think "it will never happen" or "I don't want to live in a world like that" will end up changing their minds along the way, close to the very end.

Like, when the supply chain to the supermarkets gets interrupted and there's dick left to eat in the cities. Thats when things will get very wild, especially in gun-crazy America.

These scenarios will happen when everything suddenly breaks down in a cataclysm, like with a doctored pandemic.

I hope with all my might that that won't happen - that we will ease out of our oil addiction instead of being violently withdrawn or driven near extinct.

Nuclear fusion will save the day :thumbup:

but the question is - for whom?

Who will be left in 2040 when Fusion technology takes over?

Will society then bear any resemblance to society now?

Lets be optimistic: We're going to make it. We are going to ride our horse buggy over the ancient tarmac to our favorite pub, that brews the tastiest beer of the county, and sing along songs of old accompanied by ole Freddy on his accoustic guitar. You might just sell that quarter pound of outdoor homegrown bud, and those chickens for a silver dime each, one of those dimes finally getting rid of your beer tab.

Hell yeah, we're gonna make it :sun:

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#8587620 - 07/02/08 11:13 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

knowledge is power, crisis is opportunity in disguise. perfect time for a revolution.

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth

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#8587838 - 07/02/08 12:28 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

It's not the first time this has happened. Many civilizations have come up against the resource wall...all of them have as a result experienced a quite massive die-off. While true that none of the civilizations that have fallen before have been very large...certainly none as large as ours has become...ours is only different on magnitude. The fall of Rome may not have been because of scarce resources, but it should hold some truths that ring true for this fall.

Calling it an "extinction level event" is almost completely misleading...you know as well as I do that the things that are ELEs are all astronomical :wink:

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#8588283 - 07/02/08 02:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
For this civilization, sure

I happen to know, for a fact, that hard times breed the greatest of all moments (the grimmest, too). Necessity is the mother of invention, as they say. Well, necessity may become a much harder task master!

I can't tell you how excited I am. To be living right now is the greatest of all gifts (even if it is a mathematical probability). What we are seeing now, and will see, has not occurred on this planet for 1500 years.

Great post and a perfect attitude to have!!!

I don't know if I'll survive or not, but it will be a blast on the way down!

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#8588369 - 07/02/08 03:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Think of our sociopathic leaders. How will this population reduction be accomplished? Will there be birth control, or will they just genetically engineer some virus or bacterium and unleash it on our species?

Your post assumes that the world leaders would benefit from a reduced population. I do not believe this is the case.

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#8589235 - 07/02/08 08:01 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Wouldn't world leaders profit from a world with 1/10 of the population, but with in comparison 10x the natural resources?

Eliminating 90% of the population is like buying yourself a bigger planet. It allows for owning greater stretches of land and greater extravagance of wealth.

The masses use up the resources.

Believe me, what they would want is high-tech Dark Ages with us as peasants in their factories and them living in castles ruling as kings.

As the professor pointed out, drastic action has to be taken in ONE lifetime, the faster the better. You can't decimate the birth rate overnight and let the living grow old. A New World Order is needed.

And for that, 9 out of 10 people must die.

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#8589656 - 07/02/08 09:49 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

i just got dont with part one, brewing some coffee for part 2. thanks for sharing this, it is very eye opening. where can i sign up for this revolution?

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#8589722 - 07/02/08 10:10 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

But a bigger population means more money flowing through the economy. That's why in Australia you get $5000 cash each time you give birth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_Bonus
I personally don't think it's a good policy, but our leaders obviously think they would benefit from a larger population.

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#8589918 - 07/02/08 10:51 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

All I've got to say is FUCK.

Maybe I'll add more later...

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I like free markets and all. Truly I do, at least in general, but there needs to be some kind of oversight in recognition of sustainability. Life works the same way, on a bunch of sustainable systems. Why not honor what made us what we are and take some lessons? Nature FTW!

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#8589943 - 07/02/08 10:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

The corn ethanol bit is brilliant... we attack the population growth problem by tightening the knot on the countries that are already starving! Seriously it makes no reasonble sense to use our food to make our energy... the japanese are using the rice plants for their source, but they have the sense to use that rice for food before processing the plant.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Entropymancer]
#8590033 - 07/02/08 11:18 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

the first automobile was run off of hemp seed oil...

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Entropymancer]
#8590053 - 07/02/08 11:25 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

okay ive never liked using chemicals for anything, ive been for sustainable (organic) agriculture for a while now. i think that one way for a lot of people to survive is to go back to nature, once people disrupted the natural balance of things everything went to shit. baby boomers were caused by excess of food supplies (by the start chemical farming in 40s 50s) it made the huge population sustainable, (for a while). after ww2 population skyrocketed people got addicted to their "society", and it became THE new (un)natural balance.
by switching to communes who use sustainable practices and support locally grown food we might have a chance. no need to ship food from cali, so no oil use, its in your backyard, you grow it yourself.

i know this isn't the one quick fix (there isn't just one) but its a start, maybe one of many fixes. going back to nature is the way to go, for survivals sake!

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Phish_Dude]
#8590139 - 07/03/08 12:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

we cant rely on the system we have now cuz it will fall and when it does, fuck. the stores will run out of food, because the massive commercial farms wont be able to run, people start looting, killing, mass hysteria, starvation, etc.
get a few cows, a goat or two, a plot of land, a few friends. you got milk and meat right there. use animal manure as fertilizer to grow food, feed the animals (including yourselves;)), repeat. raise enough cattle to sustain your clan, i know this is like totally old skool but its probably the only way when the shit hits the fan. i mean totally sustainable, plus you have enough manure to grow enough cubes and dank to keep you stocked up for a while if things get boring.

there we have it we've solved pollution, starvation, our fucked up society, and have a ton of cubes and dank on top of that. :mushroom2:

this globalized system is doomed to fail we need to revert back to nature if we want a chance.

there im going to bed, ill be on tomorrow. im open to criticism and everything. we need to start something here shroomery.
peace :rasta:

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#8590156 - 07/03/08 12:18 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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the first automobile was run off of hemp seed oil...

Peanut oil, actually, but you're right - biodiesel was where it began, and it's where we should return to.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: zouden]
#8590158 - 07/03/08 12:20 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

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the first automobile was run off of hemp seed oil...

Peanut oil, actually, but you're right - biodiesel was where it began, and it's where we should return to.

I think we need to re-examine our entire petrochemical feedstock. The gas consumed by driving cars is only a piece of of the pie. We need urgently to address the milieu of other things produced via petrochems... like our clothes.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Entropymancer]
#8590173 - 07/03/08 12:26 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I agree. I bought my son a little basketball hoop for his birthday, and the ball smells like gasoline!! :crankey:

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#8590178 - 07/03/08 12:30 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Exactly! We'll be up shit creek without any source of petroleum. Though the situation there isn't as dire, because non-fuel use accounts for only about 3% of petrochemical endproducts.
Bioplastics is a very promising field.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8590180 - 07/03/08 12:31 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Or you could just make your own ethanol. It's pretty easy. Grow stevia for the sugar source. Then you just need yeast.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: StevenMichael]
#8590183 - 07/03/08 12:33 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Stevia doesn't contain sugar...

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: whattheheck]
#8590190 - 07/03/08 12:35 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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whattheheck said:
I agree. I bought my son a little basketball hoop for his birthday, and the ball smells like gasoline!!

Don't worry, that's not gasoline you smell; it's phthalates! Hooray for things which make plastic pliable and cancer viable!

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: zouden]
#8590194 - 07/03/08 12:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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Stevia doesn't contain sugar...

Well I know that. But I thought it would ferment anyway. According to wiki it won't ferment though. But that doesn't mean it would stop a solution from fermenting necessarily.

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#8590196 - 07/03/08 12:39 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I wonder how hard it is to grow sugarcane? Or sugarbeet, if it's too cold?

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Entropymancer]
#8590211 - 07/03/08 12:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

I think we need to re-examine our entire petrochemical feedstock. The gas consumed by driving cars is only a piece of of the pie. We need urgently to address the milieu of other things produced via petrochems... like our clothes.

once again, clothes...hemp

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Entropymancer]
#8590231 - 07/03/08 12:54 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I bet I don't even want to know what that is huh :crankey:

Probably end up wishing it was gasoline. I was kind hoping I could throw it in the blender and get a few miles out of it. :shrug:

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8590312 - 07/03/08 01:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

This could be worse than Y2K. :awesome:

Damn Malthusians all of you!

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: zouden]
#8591561 - 07/03/08 12:33 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

Sugarcane grows wild on the gulf coast.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1:20h) [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8591634 - 07/03/08 12:56 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I've already accepted the fact we're totally fucked

I'll just deal with it when it comes

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#8591698 - 07/03/08 01:19 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

ok how bout a shroomery commune when the time comes??

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#8591701 - 07/03/08 01:20 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I'm down

If I had to watch the world end, it may as well be with a shit ton of drugs

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#8594077 - 07/04/08 03:59 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

drugs do tend to make disasters more fun, yeah

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#8594095 - 07/04/08 04:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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I'm down

If I had to watch the world end, it may as well be with a shit ton of drugs

drum circle to end all drum circles. epic!

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: zouden]
#8594126 - 07/04/08 04:42 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

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zouden said:
I wonder how hard it is to grow sugarcane? Or sugarbeet, if it's too cold?

Thats why we have to pollute as heavily as possible. By the time we run out of "fossil fuels" the earth will be warm enough to grow year round.:yesnod?:

Once again your political betters know whats best for you, just go with it. :grin:

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#8594644 - 07/04/08 10:57 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I dont think this is being put into presepective and because of the wealth avaialbe now its extremly difficult to understand what that means.

To put this into a proper prespective; try and imagine what it would be like to see one of the people you lived a long time together in happiness, dye in your arms because of a lack of nutrition and a sickness the mirrors the cold....Its easy to write it off, heartless, but if you want to really see what it would be like, let it into your heart, just let it climb in there and dance its sadness, then tell me you can sit there accepting this fate, without trying to alarm those around you.

Thats where I am right now, I feel horrible imagining such a horrible fate, seeing the sadness in the eyes, the smell of death is something we have only imagined in the movies, the fantasy world that leaves us saying compliant things instead of resisting with whatever you can together with whom ever you can.

I was talking to three of my friends yesterday and people are getting pissed with the job lay off in canada and ridiculous prices. I figure 80% of what we do, we cant know about the outcome of it until its done. 20 % yeah. Im taking my chances and giving it a shot, but as a global citizen connected to you in this way, i urge you and ask to let this information into your heart, instead of just saying theres no point might as well forget about it, then act if you must.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#8594664 - 07/04/08 11:06 AM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I think the most important lesson we can take from his whole lecture is his line at the very end.

DON'T LET OTHERS DO YOUR THINKING FOR YOU.

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#8602534 - 07/06/08 09:30 PM (3 years, 10 months ago)

I've been saying this for years now. Where abouts are you located? I'd really like to set something like this up, for real style!

Send me a PM or whatever, I took this (and have taken this) seriously and am very interested.

The court system that owns my life probably won't like our commune idea, but I'm sure it'll take awhile to set up anyways. :shrug:

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#12603371 - 05/21/10 09:44 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

Watch the lecture of the first post guys, one of the most eye opening hours you will ever spend. We are now almost 2 years on but the message is more urgent than ever.

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#12603434 - 05/21/10 09:57 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

Wiccan, is this similar to the documentary entitled, "Collapse" ?

I will watch the series when I get home.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: dr_gonz]
#12603464 - 05/21/10 10:06 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

Humans preform well under pressure.

To assume our species is hay-wire and has managed to escape the confines of nature is a joke. "Rogue monkeys, cuidado!"

We have both order and chaos at every level, from the galaxies to the atoms. Big Mama has been at this game for awhile. Everything is on track. Eat more mushrooms, jeez.

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#12603470 - 05/21/10 10:07 AM (2 years, 11 days ago)

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#12606193 - 05/21/10 07:01 PM (2 years, 10 days ago)

You are very fastly becoming one of my favorite posters around here.

And I will oblidge and eat more shroomz. nom nom nom

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: dr_gonz]
#12606197 - 05/21/10 07:03 PM (2 years, 10 days ago)

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Wiccan, is this similar to the documentary entitled, "Collapse" ?

I will watch the series when I get home.

I never received an answer

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#12606214 - 05/21/10 07:07 PM (2 years, 10 days ago)

You never received an answer because I tracked it down and just finished watching it online.

Yes, its the same subject matter from a different angle.

I'm on it to post a thread called Collapse now, holding the Collapse video too if you havent seen it.

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Re: Population explosion, peak oil, energy crisis, economic collapse... A must-see video lecture (1: [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#12606221 - 05/21/10 07:09 PM (2 years, 10 days ago)

Word up, Wiccan. :thumbup:

You're a solid individual going to all that effort and what not. :respect:

There are a few threads about Collapse on the Shroomery already.

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#12606234 - 05/21/10 07:10 PM (2 years, 10 days ago)

here's one: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/11783742#11783742

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#12606253 - 05/21/10 07:15 PM (2 years, 10 days ago)

Ah OK, well heres mine :smile:

Collapse

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#15592625 - 12/30/11 02:04 PM (4 months, 28 days ago)

Wiccan your posts are always informative.
I thought about this issue for most of my conscious lifetime.

I thought this deserved a wake from the grave. I'm halfway through the videos.

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#15592891 - 12/30/11 03:14 PM (4 months, 28 days ago)

Good shit!

Part 6
3:05-3:10 Logan is attending? I didn't realize it took place at the Xavier Institute for Higher Learning.

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#15593351 - 12/30/11 05:10 PM (4 months, 28 days ago)

I read the book collapse about a month ago, further cemented my views on the upcoming collapse of consumer society. Highly doubt its gonna be anywhere near total though, massive depression, widespread famine most likely. Unless WW3 breaks out.

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#15593363 - 12/30/11 05:13 PM (4 months, 28 days ago)

PPEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKK OILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

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#15593388 - 12/30/11 05:17 PM (4 months, 28 days ago)

What a riveting contribution.

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