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 Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. *updated with results & 1st flush pics*
#8573929 - 06/28/08 09:24 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is the situation at hand:
My fairy godmother has had a small beech-chip based mushroom patch, Psilocybe cyanescens, that made her very happy in fall and the early winter several seasons long.
She was so happy that she took a trashcan, emptied out a big 100 liter sack of beech woodchips and topped it off with water and half a cup of bleach. She let this sit for 24 hours, then drained the water from it.
My fairy godmother then dug a nice big hole in her small garden, unearthed the small patch of previous years and loosened it up to yield 10 liters of fine spawn.
Then in the hole went a layer of beech chips, some spawn, then she mixed it up, added another layer and spawn, mixed it up and so forth until the bucket of spawn and the trashcan of woodchips were spent.
She then cast a spell and let the patch sit, occasionally watering.
Flash forward a month or two.
My fairy godmother checked up on her patch by pushing some chips aside, and less than an inch beneath the chips were nice, dark and moist, and threaded with rhizomorphic growths poking through it from all sides.
After a little Dutch victory dance that involved a loincloth made of tulips, clapping wooden shoes together and throwing Gouda cheese at the sun, my fairy godmother got to think about it.
Her small patch fruited mostly on the sides when it fruited, soil contact seemed the best point for pinning. However her new big patch is basically a square woodchips-and-spawn landfill.
She was wondering whether it would be right to make small trenches across the patch, lets say two inches deep and three inches wide, and fill these trenches with soil.
In her line of reasoning, the patch would be full of chips-to-soil borders, thus provide a lot bigger fruiting area in fall, not just at the edges of the patch but all over it. She was thinking of using potting soil for this.
It is the opposite of whats usually done: not trenches of chips in soil but trenches of soil in chips.
Can anyone help my fairy godmother out with sage advice?
Edited by Wiccan_Seeker (11/07/09 07:07 AM)
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 Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8573965 - 06/28/08 09:44 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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oops, forgot the obligatory Mycopr0n from the old (10 ltr) patch.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8573978 - 06/28/08 09:49 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Why not just give a light soil casing over the WHOLE plot? Total area = fruiting area. Just a thought, but if you want, the trenches idea should work just fine.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: MycoAu]
#8576099 - 06/28/08 11:27 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hate trying to read about fairy godmothers, and conversations with microwaves... I honestly just skipped to this next guys post to see what the buzz was really about...
C'mon now... we are all adults here and know how/what we are doing wrong;)
Cant we just talk like adults?
But why not just try watering the patch regularly... I bet youll see a better and more even pinset...
(No experience yet with outdoor patches)
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: P.Menace]
#8576422 - 06/29/08 02:58 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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i scrolled to the pictures
sorry
but they do look sexy
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: P.Menace]
#8576655 - 06/29/08 06:38 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
P.Menace said:
But why not just try watering the patch regularly... I bet youll see a better and more even pinset...
AGREED!!!!
In my experiences with my "landfill piles" water tends to boost the pinsets drastically.
Can't seem to locate photos, but I'll keep searching folders.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: fantasy2reality]
#8576668 - 06/29/08 06:46 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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You guys need to remember he's not talking about cubes here, but caramel capped psilocybes. They benefit from a long, dry summer followed by a cool, wet fall which triggers pinning. Regular watering would ruin the patch by stimulating competitor fungi.
My outdoor cyan patches all fruited on the edges too, just like tray culture. I'm planning trenches this year as well. Keep us posted on how it goes. Thanks for posting.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8576695 - 06/29/08 07:09 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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If you believe they grow on the sides, due to the fact that they like to grow near the moist soil, why not just mix a small amount of soil through the chips instead of making trenches and stuff ?
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: Juke Adro]
#8576702 - 06/29/08 07:14 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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what weather zones are acceptable for outdoor cyan patches?
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: Juke Adro]
#8576727 - 06/29/08 07:28 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Juke Adro said:
If you believe they grow on the sides, due to the fact that they like to grow near the moist soil, why not just mix a small amount of soil through the chips instead of making trenches and stuff ?
That's how it's done anyway. The chips are mixed in with the soil. They just seem to want to fruit at the edges of the colonies. One thing that seems to help is to mix in a few large pieces of hardwood. I've noticed more fruits forming from these than the smaller pieces. Perhaps burying a few 3" to 4" thick chunks of hardwood might even out the fruiting.
It's slow research when all your work only results in one or two flushes in the fall, and then you have to wait until the next year to see how the changes you made work out.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8576784 - 06/29/08 08:10 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I hear you on the chunks of hardwood, the patch is still not fully colonized so my fairy godmother could work some of those in.
But what do you think about the trenches of potting soil idea/ It would supply patch edges unlike mixing soil in would, good numbers of micro-organisms without the greater risk of contam like mixing in soil would.
As to other posters remarks about fairy godmothers:
Yes, we are mature adults, so can't we have a little fun here? If you people won't read a post made more colorful in such a way, some more growing up has to be done, and not by me.
Its not like the Internet is serious business or anything.
Its a solid cultivation post, if you can't bear with some fairy godmother talk then, come on. I'd be willing to go to TOTSE if they had the good information I seek.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8576815 - 06/29/08 08:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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And anyways what's the difference between fairy godmother and FOAF or SWIM or My dog or...etc?
Heck their ID is Wiccan_Seeker...so they are used to running around the woods naked dancing in circles under the stars with the fairies.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8577193 - 06/29/08 11:43 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Wiccan_Seeker said:
As to other posters remarks about fairy godmothers:
Yes, we are mature adults, so can't we have a little fun here? If you people won't read a post made more colorful in such a way, some more growing up has to be done, and not by me.
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Quote:
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Its not like the Internet is serious business or anything.
(couldnt find the smiley i wanted in this spot)
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: just me]
#8577344 - 06/29/08 12:24 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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My grandmother grows actives too!
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: Wiccan_Seeker]
#8577382 - 06/29/08 12:37 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Wiccan_Seeker said:
She was wondering whether it would be right to make small trenches across the patch
no sage advice, but a simple theory that the better growth around the edges, be it a tray, tub or outside bed, is to some extent a result of the extra moisture that part of the bed recieves from the runoff from the surrounding brickwork/plastic as water from spray/misting or rain runs down the sides.
i would suggest your friend could incorporate some vertical slates protruding to the same height as the brickwork down the length of the bed arranged in some aesthetically pleasing manner to the same effect.
hope that makes some sort of sense.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8577399 - 06/29/08 12:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
They benefit from a long, dry summer followed by a cool, wet fall which triggers pinning. Regular watering would ruin the patch by stimulating competitor fungi.
Thanks for posting.
RR
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: Juke Adro]
#8577582 - 06/29/08 01:46 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Word. That's exactly what I was thinking. When I start mine it'll be a mixture of native soil, forest debris, and the necessary wood chips. I think that makes a bit more sense than using all wood chips.? Then again, I don't know too much about this glorious hobby yet. :| TEACH ME! Lol. JK.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. (moved)
#8583161 - 07/01/08 06:12 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: RogerRabbit]
#8583193 - 07/01/08 06:32 AM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
RogerRabbit said:
The chips are mixed in with the soil. They just seem to want to fruit at the edges of the colonies.
I never mixed chips with the soil. If I make a larger patch, I put some leaf litter and debris(1 inch or less) on the top, this then acts like a casing layer and encourages fruiting from the top.
Compare http://www.fungifun.org/Pics/Psilocybeazurescens-2005-canon3423?action=thumbnail&group=Pics&image=Psilocybe-azurescens%2F2005%2Fcanon+3423.jpg
As for watering, long dry summer is BAD for the patches. There should be either rain or watering at least every 10 days. The patch should stay moist, but not wet or even sitting in water.
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Re: Psilocybe cyanescens patch fruiting enhancement. [Re: Anno]
#8585050 - 07/01/08 05:08 PM (3 years, 10 months ago) |
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I was referring to the natural environment in Seattle where I picked wild cyanescens for years. It often doesn't rain from mid-May until October, with temperatures in the 80's and 90's (30C to 35C) and the ground gets extremely dry. Then, the fall rains and cool temperatures arrive and the cyans pop like mad.
The natural patches always seem to outperform the cultivated patches. They're usually maintained by landscapers adding fresh layers of wood chips as mulch on the surface every year around the shrubbery. You'll have large chips that have sank into the soil, with fresh chips on top as mulch. The fruits form from the chips down in the soil. They're able to survive the long dry summer, to fruit like mad dogs in the fall. I've often wondered if they have some sort of mycorrhizal-like relationship with the bushes they pop up around. That would explain how they can survive the long dry spell so well.
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